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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Swager on November 18, 2002, 08:07:16 PM
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I was over reading the IL2 BBS! It is truely amazing how people will negatively turn on a flight sim. There are some AH and ex-AH players who really tear up AH.
Flight Model stagnet
Damage Model lacking
Bad Community
Not Progressing
Arcadish graphics
Glad these people are not my friends. :)
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Flight Model stagnet, Damage Model lacking, Arcadish graphics
And your saying this isnt the truth?
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Originally posted by jbroey3
And your saying this isnt the truth?
Hey....you forgot to add that:
Leonardo DiCraprio and Pam Anderson are the bestest actors ever.
Pearl Harbor is the bestest war film ever.
Bill Clinton is the bestest president....ever.
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Actually Weazle, If you feel that way you really need to watch more "movies" .. you know to get a broader perspective on those who have significantly more acting talent :-)
The president is a tool.
You have a choice in america to choose. But the choice is bad, or Worse.
perl harbor was a nice "action movie".. but like many movies, far from reality.
:)
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Right over your head.....not unexpected though, since you "think" IL2 is a good online flight simulation when it's just pretty *crap*.
Eye candy doesn't make the game, and brains aren't your strong suit.......obviously.
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Actually,.. WHoosh, over your head infact I played you quite well. :)
I knew it was an obvious attempt at you "trying" to be cute, however you fell very short of that one thing..
Character :)
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The trollee pretending to be the troll...
Better run home now, I hear your mommy calling. :o
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This thread pleasantly numbs my brain.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I disagree. I think with the proper tools, easily accessible materials, and motivation that monkeys could indeed build an airplane.(http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/cwm/cwm/freak3.gif)
-SW
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Dont see what is so amazing swager. This is a product. Those that dont use it anymore are entitled to an opinion why not...
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You've just turned too many circles in your sissyfire. :p
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
This thread pleasantly numbs my brain.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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See you guys don't get it I explain everything in my rant..
check it.. My worthless attempt to get Recognition (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70340)
If you don't get it, then serve yourself another glass of milk.
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Originally posted by jbroey3
perl harbor was a nice "action movie".. :)
This statement proves that you have no idea what action is.
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Originally posted by jbroey3
perl harbor was a nice "action movie".. but like many movies, far from reality.
:)
I thought the part where the guy takes the girl up in his P-40 to watch the sunset was very realistic.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I disagree. I think with the proper tools, easily accessible materials, and motivation that monkeys could indeed build an airplane.(http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/cwm/cwm/freak3.gif)
-SW
Hey now! I resemble that remark!
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Yah! But your nuts! S! And crazy too!
How's that 787 coming?
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entertaining Weazel.. thanks man :)
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Just imagine what those folks have to say about warbirds 3...
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Damage Model lacking
Sad but true but that is the truth.
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Question
AH allows some 500-600 online in the same arena
IL2 allows 12 players online at one time, or something close
Kinda like comparing apples to cantelope don't you think?!
When you develop gearing towards MMOG the constraints are differnet when you develop for a boxed limited MP platform..
After ready the QA from the IL2 developer he even kinda eluded to that in his answers...
T0J0
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Worse thing about IL2, waiting for a game thats not on dweeb settings.
Oh and waiting, and waiting.........
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I've been trying IL2 again, with the postings on the upcoming FB. I found it pretty, but also disappointing. Especially the LW issues, I think the lweenies have some points.
Il2 and AH are two very different products. To compare them is retarded. Maybe in 3 years as they start to converge, but for now its chalk and cheese.
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Originally posted by jbroey3
And your saying this isnt the truth?
Why don't you enlighten us and explain what is wrong with the flight model...specifically please.
Never had much stomach for those who spout off without backing it up.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
Sad but true but that is the truth.
Same to you fffffrrrrreeeeeze....what is specifically lacking regarding the damage model?
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Hey rude you must really enjoy chopping entire P47 tail sections off right?
Oh.. and with 7.7mm rounds :) lol
You know what I really love about Aces highs damage model. :)
The fact that you can Litterally chainsaw aircraft in half, oh and then theres always the realistic "instant entire blowing up" sequence that exists.
But yes,.. oh yes This is Very realistic .. dont you agree rude? :)
I also Love how losing a "wingtip" (a non critical portion of the airfoil) will cause a plane to suddenly lose any aiblity to fly :)
Oh man, we can go on and on, but Aces High Damage model in the air is about as correct as it is on the ground :)
And Rude... We all know how bad the "Vehicle" damage is. It is a shame that it carries over into flight.
OH.. and By the way, Next time you ever want to check out the damage model... Do something Very very simple... Like say.. Drop a single 500LB bomb on an Aircraft hanger. :-D lol and then tell me .. how "Correct" the damage is lol.
Its hilarious how a Non hardened target will sustain SO much pressure/force/energy/heat/ :)
GOtta love the "realistic" Aces High way of dealing with "physics"
:)
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jbroey from your post I take it you've never flown AH in the last 6 months?
I've never seen a plane get is tail sawn of with 7.7mm, unless you expended near to a 1000 rounds into it, let a a Jug getting nailed.
If you saw an aircraft in half it is entirely possible you hit the fuel tanks or got a pilot kill. Having said that I saw halves of planes make it all the way to the deck all the time. Where you get the idea everything blows up I don't know.
I bring aircraft home all the time sans-wingtip (sometimes even sans-both-wingtips). It does depend on the aircraft :) those more stable at high AoA are easier to bring back.
As for the hangar hardness, well, that is a gameplay concession thing. I mean how do you model hangar structural integrity - and a half hit hangar? Come up with a working balanced solution and I'm sure HTC will listen. Mind you, whether or not partial damage is visible on a hangar is probably not high in the priority list right now.
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yump...yump...yump...
For some bacon?
yump...yump...yump....
Four lines above sum IL2 up ...pork.
The fact that you can Litterally chainsaw aircraft in half, oh and then theres always the realistic "instant entire blowing up" sequence that exists.
But yes,.. oh yes This is Very realistic ..
Better run along now l'il jbroey3....your missing the Lion King on Disney Channel.
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i thought the name of the tread said
"turn you on quicker than a snake"
my first thought "only on AH BB"
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So when is your flight sim coming out Jabroney3?
Until then, what video game should we play to get us a feel for "real" war?
Somebody holding you hostage at HTC and making you play AH? :confused:
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lol ..joy boy....
You are lost ...The Online Shutes & ladders..err is it online CandyLand that you play....how is the damage model there?
Ouch did your gum drop melt or did ur taffy get dirty....
Owell...MOMMMIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please...go to hell.......this game has been making improvemnets steadliy....i will not go into detail..cuase u are not a good student for this Fligth sim...........
Wacth out in Candlyland...my squad the Buttercups will kik ur candy bellybutton all over...lolololo
Love BiGB
xoxoxo...
P.S. I guess you would know alot about damage models since you have so much experience getn ur tail chopped off....lololo
Imagine..this is little joey and his taffy
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Jabroney3
haha what a pro, hey bud its Jbroey3 :) I understand though, comprehension is not one of the greater traits of your standard aces High Player. :)
BGmaw? Just a quick question,... Are you gay?
I wasnt really following your little spout off into a candy land of sorts. You seem like the fruity type. Are you infatuated with me?
Oh, and Weazle, poor little weazle. :) You my friend are, keeping those blinders on nice and tight arn't cha? Dont you worry, you can keep that nose of yours nice N' brown. Besides Ignorance is bliss for you right? :)
Vulcan, I have infact played aces high within the past 7 days, and Yes It is still entirely possible to "chop" a p47 tail, or any part of ANY plane here with a short placed shot of 7.7mm rounds :)
You see in the real world kiddies, Bullets enter an object, richochet, and strike other objects. What this does is Create a dispersion of damage along the points of impact as well as other connections related to the structure.
Not only does it do this, You can have rounds enter, and exit, as well as enter and lodge into the frame. This can.. in some rare occasions cause enough deteroration of the frameing to cause structure failure due to wieght and G loading on specific vital portions of the aircraft frame. Now the Funny thing is I know of a sim that does this quite well, and infact takes into account far more ballistics modeling as well as possiblites of damage to occure. Of course this is Il2 i am speaking of. But hey.. right? who cares...
Point.. The above happens to an Aces High aircraft EACH TIME you hit it, however the RESULT is ALWAYS catostophic failure.
This goes hand in hand with the on/Off damage model that Aces High has.
You want to see proof how "uhm.. Real" the aces High Damage model is?.. :rolleyes: How abou you take a Panzer and Shoot an ostwind, or an M3. Gee you would think that a 75mm round would most certainly OBLITERATE such a vehicle. But nope.. not with the "correct" aces High damage modeling, what you see is Oswinds, M3's etc.. Destroying the heavly armored tank.
realism.. at its Finest folks,.. you've seen it here.
It is extremely hiliarous that those here feel that Aces High has the "best" damage model
The Vehicle damage modeling is a perfect example of how "it's" fidelity is carried over into its Air to Air counterpart.
Oh, And by the way, anyone who even remotely thinks that the current System is the "correct" way, well I laugh at you because HTC is sure to be working on "Improving the current model" and when they announce "Fixed a few things with the damage model" I will just sit back and laugh.
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Is Jroey3 Nath or Gunman26 ?
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All I have to say is the punctuation and spelling in these posts leaves something to be desired...
While the posts have been reactionary, back-biting and quite fun to read, wading through the "english" is a chore..
Let's step up here fellas, raise the bar, take a chunk, give one for the teachers that patted you on the butt and sent you out to the smoking lot..
IL-2, very pretty, little else. Frame rate issues, FM issues yada, yada, yada.
But it is very pretty.
Swagger, here's a beer, hotdogs up shortly :)
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Punctuation Police
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What the hell are you?
IL-2 is a rip of Janes WW2 Fighters, nothing original.
Besides Ignorance is bliss for you right?
Please enlighten us dimwits on how an online flight sim works.....you know, how much each texture uses of video card memory, how to write good net code and such.
Then go give the info to Oleg....as it's obvious he doesn't have a frigging clue about whats feasable with current and readily available technology for online gaming.
Does his poop taste like chocolate or something?
You seem willing to eat a mile of his toejam is why I wonder.
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Originally posted by jbroey3
It is extremely hiliarous that those here feel that Aces High has the "best" damage model
Who is that?
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Originally posted by jbroey3
You want to see proof how "uhm.. Real" the aces High Damage model is?.. :rolleyes: How abou you take a Panzer and Shoot an ostwind, or an M3. Gee you would think that a 75mm round would most certainly OBLITERATE such a vehicle. But nope.. not with the "correct" aces High damage modeling, what you see is Oswinds, M3's etc.. Destroying the heavly armored tank.
realism.. at its Finest folks,.. you've seen it here.
It is extremely hiliarous that those here feel that Aces High has the "best" damage model
The Vehicle damage modeling is a perfect example of how "it's" fidelity is carried over into its Air to Air counterpart.
erm... I'm wondering when it was said the damage models on the vehicles were correct? Last I heard the ground war wasn't the priority and HT & co were aware there are problems with it. But hey, it's playable, and it's fun. Who cares?
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Originally posted by ygsmilo
Is Jroey3 Nath or Gunman26 ?
Get your toejam together.
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Please enlighten us dimwits on how an online flight sim works.....you know, how much ram each texture uses of video card memory, how to write good net code and such.
ATTENTION everyone.
hey weazle, take a little gander here.
OH.. and everyone For that matter, I would really like to see what Hitech/Skuzzy/Pyro thinks of this as well.
;)
Oh.. and its only 64k thats 64 kilobytes...
But within.. is packed More graphics, sound, and detail present in most aspects of aces high. Dont believe me?... take a look.
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Deez... seriously, I've been over this with you before... the graphics in that demo are nothing like the graphic content you place into a game, and it uses pre-rendered shapes and other things local to the machine/rendering API.
You try and code a flight sim with that, and you're gonna be up a creek without a paddle and in desperate need of funding.
-SW
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Am I supposed to be impressed with that crap?
Sheesh, you have less imagination than Oleg, at least he ripped off a semi-decent flight sim.
Does it feeeeelllllllll goooooooddddddd to know I just placed you on my ignore list?
Your the only one there, hope you don't get too lonely.
Goodbye.
Originally posted by jbroey3
ATTENTION everyone.
hey weazle, take a little gander here.
OH.. and everyone For that matter, I would really like to see what Hitech/Skuzzy/Pyro thinks of this as well.
;)
Oh.. and its only 64k thats 64 kilobytes...
But within.. is packed More graphics, sound, and detail present in most aspects of aces high. Dont believe me?... take a look.
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jbroey please do some research because by posting that you've pretty much proven you're not too aware of the facts.
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amen..........
Yes ..and you are from online candlyland..i seen your handle....
Fruitloop
lololo
Love BiGB
xoxo
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Sorry Nath,,,
Must be Gunman 42 :D
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And the reTard of the Year award goes to... Jbroey3
Sorry, but having flown AH for two years, having been forced to fly scenarios where quite often all we have is 7.7mm or 303s, I can state for a fact you need to hose a plane hard before bits fall off. Sorry, you're FULL of toejam on this one, unless you post some film in the MA proving it.
Second, no PC game I know models real world ballistics and ricochet ballistics, and comprehensive airframe structural modelling. You would need nothing short of a mainframe to do this accurately. End of story and once again you're full of toejam.
Thank god you don't like AH, I'd hate to have inbreds like you flopping round the MA :)
Originally posted by jbroey3
Vulcan, I have infact played aces high within the past 7 days, and Yes It is still entirely possible to "chop" a p47 tail, or any part of ANY plane here with a short placed shot of 7.7mm rounds :)
You see in the real world kiddies, Bullets enter an object, richochet, and strike other objects. What this does is Create a dispersion of damage along the points of impact as well as other connections related to the structure.
Not only does it do this, You can have rounds enter, and exit, as well as enter and lodge into the frame. This can.. in some rare occasions cause enough deteroration of the frameing to cause structure failure due to wieght and G loading on specific vital portions of the aircraft frame. Now the Funny thing is I know of a sim that does this quite well, and infact takes into account far more ballistics modeling as well as possiblites of damage to occure. Of course this is Il2 i am speaking of. But hey.. right? who cares...
Point.. The above happens to an Aces High aircraft EACH TIME you hit it, however the RESULT is ALWAYS catostophic failure.
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Originally posted by jbroey3
Hey rude you must really enjoy chopping entire P47 tail sections off right?
Oh.. and with 7.7mm rounds :) lol
You know what I really love about Aces highs damage model. :)
The fact that you can Litterally chainsaw aircraft in half, oh and then theres always the realistic "instant entire blowing up" sequence that exists.
But yes,.. oh yes This is Very realistic .. dont you agree rude? :)
I also Love how losing a "wingtip" (a non critical portion of the airfoil) will cause a plane to suddenly lose any aiblity to fly :)
Oh man, we can go on and on, but Aces High Damage model in the air is about as correct as it is on the ground :)
And Rude... We all know how bad the "Vehicle" damage is. It is a shame that it carries over into flight.
OH.. and By the way, Next time you ever want to check out the damage model... Do something Very very simple... Like say.. Drop a single 500LB bomb on an Aircraft hanger. :-D lol and then tell me .. how "Correct" the damage is lol.
Its hilarious how a Non hardened target will sustain SO much pressure/force/energy/heat/ :)
GOtta love the "realistic" Aces High way of dealing with "physics"
:)
Well, you and I don't seem to be sharing the same online experience.
After reading thru your whines, two questions remain....why are you here if AH is so bad and why post about it in the manner you've chosen?
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That is the question Jabroney42. Well?
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Originally posted by weazel
IL-2 is a rip of Janes WW2 Fighters, nothing original.
You noticed that too .
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Originally posted by weazel
Bill Clinton is the bestest president....ever.
At least he isnt as dumb as the actual president ;)
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OK Ruuuuuddddeeeeeee :)
Whats wrong with the flight model has been discused enough.
U have 2 options in AH
1. ON
2.OFF
Ur elevator is ON = working
Ur elvevator is OFF = somebody shot him
But what about reduced function like some body damaged him ?
The same with oil failure from the engine. With an Oil leak u can perform 100% untill the oil is virtually empty.
Why not reduce the power? Why not letting the engine overheat quicker?
All stuff that will happen if u have an oil leaking engine.
What about the annyoing pilot wound thing ?
Totally overhault.
Whats with the radiator on the FW that quits his service after 1 single .50cal ping from dead 6.
I checked all my films i had.
In 60% of all cases my radiator was dead when i got pinged by some 1.
The damage modell is just not up to date anymore. Thats my personal opininon. U can agree or not.
I just wuold like to see a think between ON and OFF thats all.
Btw if i am at the point allready i would like to see little puffs if hit some body with HE cannon rounds.
It looks wonderfull in IL-2
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Nothing wrong with AH's FM, except the need to tweak a few planes a little. DM is on the other hand way off. All A/C should have their damage tollerances increased, especially bombers.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
OK Ruuuuuddddeeeeeee :)
Whats wrong with the flight model has been discused enough.
U have 2 options in AH
1. ON
2.OFF
Ur elevator is ON = working
Ur elvevator is OFF = somebody shot him
But what about reduced function like some body damaged him ?
The same with oil failure from the engine. With an Oil leak u can perform 100% untill the oil is virtually empty.
Why not reduce the power? Why not letting the engine overheat quicker?
All stuff that will happen if u have an oil leaking engine.
What about the annyoing pilot wound thing ?
Totally overhault.
Whats with the radiator on the FW that quits his service after 1 single .50cal ping from dead 6.
I checked all my films i had.
In 60% of all cases my radiator was dead when i got pinged by some 1.
The damage modell is just not up to date anymore. Thats my personal opininon. U can agree or not.
I just wuold like to see a think between ON and OFF thats all.
Btw if i am at the point allready i would like to see little puffs if hit some body with HE cannon rounds.
It looks wonderfull in IL-2
Elevator remark is incorrect....partial damage does occur.
Oil leaks.....wouldn't mind seeing that, but hardly a point of contention for me.
Pilot wound is an effective way of simulating what it might be like to get hit and deal with maintaining conciousness.
Radiator hits effect the 51 the same way....I just kinda think that when I get hit, it's my fault not the developers....what difference does it make if you take hits and the radiator leaks or you lose a control surface, etc.? Ya still got hit didn't ya?
I guess I have an issue with anyone who complains about a product which only takes $15.00 bucks a month out of my pocket. I was around 10 years ago paying 25 times that amount for a product that can't hold a candle to this one.
I'm grateful.
I would like to see improvements just like anyone else, the difference between us is I know they will come and I realize and trust Dale to do what is necessary to grow his business...his resume speaks for itself.
Maybe I just read into your post a pissy whining attitude that wasn't there...is so, I apologize. I see alot of it and frankly, am sick of it.
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OK, heres a question for IL2 guys, I've been playing a bit of IL2 with all the whoopla over FB it got my interest up. I've downloaded all the latest patches etc.
So I'm doing the LW campaign right, its obvious in the early campaign the enemy AI is turned right down. Its fairly easy to keep on their 6. So I slip in behind a Mig-1 in my 109, I'm right up this guys butt, hes flying straight and level, I start pumping him with 20mm, little puffs and bits fall off, great, I keep pumping and pumping until I'm outta ammo. He's still flying - WTF?
How the hell does a Mig-1 take a crapload of 20mm hits to the fusalage and keep flying?
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Oleg’s Ready Room answered the gun questions better than I could. Did I agree? Not really, but he made it so whatever. He said that planes have armor behind the pilot and nothing terribly vital in that area of the planes main airframe except the pilot.
I’ve said before, raking the wings through the entire plane via rudder input and a yaw “strafe” of sorts results in dead planes. And getting close is the real deal regardless.
I watched the German actual WWII footage recently posted again and I can’t remember seeing one “AH confetti bomb” there. Lotsa close firing, lotsa pieces falling off. Not much other than that as they speed past. What's more realistic looking?
Try this, go off line in AH and get as close as you NEED to kill in IL-2 with the pitiful mg’s in a AH German fighter. Fire, it goes “BOOM.” Not so close it does what everyone says in the MA, not much at all. Almost like there is a code hit bubble by range on them pee shooters.
Just try it.
What’s right or wrong, I don’t know. Just saying.
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AH version 2.0 would put all that to rest though - the current version provides sweet gameplay - a few graphical and damage model upgrades and il-2 fans would have a lot less to wag their fingers at. i like them both for different reasons really...
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Rude what kind of damages are simulated ??
U can either loose the elevator or it will be full functional.
U can loose 1 of the 2 u have but thats not what i mean.
What i mean are holes in it or parts riped out that will say give only 50% performance.
Pilot wound ok maybe its not that dumb but wouldnt it be nice ifit really kills the pilot they plane tumble to the ground ?
I think WB had or has it allready.
What i mean about the radiator bug is that it happens to often and for sure to often from dead6 positions.
And that cant be true.
I have no problem if the radiator is a week point on the FW and a hit will kill it instantly but thats not true.
For sure a radiator wont survive a direct hit. But the bullet CANT go through the hole plane from behind.
and what is about internal damage like wires hydraulic oil pressure( Spelling is for sure wrong)
AH only displays outside damages. Inside damages like broken or cut control wires doesnt seem to be modeled.
I would pay 30$ a month for it. And all of u did it not long ago or am i wrong?
I would also go and would by the game boxed and spend 45$ for it plus 15$ monthly afterwards to play it.
If i would just get a more modern game for it.
AH shows his age thats what u cant denie.
Ok there will be some very nice releases with the next update but we have like no iformation about it. all they say is nothing.
I would like to hear some features. Why are they so quiet ?
spys from IL-2 WWII ??.
Maybe they working on some real improvements i dont know.
And no this is not a whine, i just like the game and want to discuss issues about it.
Maybe HT reads some of our posts so he can react to make us all more satisfied.
He runs his company with our money. So we should provide him suggestions we have to make the game more enjoyable and to keep it kopmpetetive on the market.
Then there are games on the market u can give AH a hard time if there producer really want to do it.
This is my opinion take it as a whine or not. I just try to give my 2 cents to the discussion.
I would like to see improvements just like anyone else, the difference between us is I know they will come and I realize and trust Dale to do what is necessary to grow his business...his resume speaks for itself.
This is out of context i pasted it after i wrote all.
I know rude.
I know they are doing a good job and not hanging around and driking bribes the hole day.
I also know that AH knows about his situation on the marked. We agree that grafical improvements has to be done regardless how much work it will be.
If not they will end like AW. Totally out of date and unrecoverable.
But, and thats taken from above, why dont we get any info ?
This is not a box game where we spend money 1 time and then we will never be in "contact" with the devleloper anymore.
We know HT and HT knows some of us we meet at conventions and we meet outside the game sometimes and drink a beer.
I think a lot of dissapointed players can be satisfied if the HT crew would feed us with some information about what will come in the near future. Thats all nothing more.
I also know, just to get some of the context from above, that IL-2 has not the support around to grow and be an AH competitor as an MMPO.
But even that player better like to play offline in IL-2 then AH online shows that it has to be mentioned and that i might can be a dangerous competitor.
Ok that was my 2 cents now i am done :)
(sorry my spelling sometimes)
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I'm not talking a high speed glancing shot.
I was parked on this Mig's 6 long enough to write him a loveletter, I poured cannon into his plane from extremely close range. At the very least the rear fusalage should have come apart, the control lines been severed, and I'm sure some 20mm would've made it to the pilot.
The other unusual thing I've found is the gun angle on the 190s, they seem to fire decidely downwards (ie downward deflection of around 5-10 degrees).
Originally posted by Creamo
Oleg’s Ready Room answered the gun questions better than I could. Did I agree? Not really, but he made it so whatever. He said that planes have armor behind the pilot and nothing terribly vital in that area of the planes main airframe except the pilot.
I’ve said before, raking the wings through the entire plane via rudder input and a yaw “strafe” of sorts results in dead planes. And getting close is the real deal regardless.
I watched the German actual WWII footage recently posted again and I can’t remember seeing one “AH confetti bomb” there. Lotsa close firing, lotsa pieces falling off. Not much other than that as they speed past. What's more realistic looking?
Try this, go off line in AH and get as close as you NEED to kill in IL-2 with the pitiful mg’s in a AH German fighter. Fire, it goes “BOOM.” Not so close it does what everyone says in the MA, not much at all. Almost like there is a code hit bubble by range on them pee shooters.
Just try it.
What’s right or wrong, I don’t know. Just saying.