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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on November 18, 2002, 11:06:17 PM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=799&e=4&cid=794&u=/eo/20021118/en_movies_eo/10858
Some people really ought to try and separate fantasy from reality.
Evidently, Bond is a fine fine role model if he's just promiscuous and kills people, but if he smokes, it's over the top.
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Do you expect me to talk?
No Mr Bond, I expect you to die...or be sued whichever hurts more
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Tronsky
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and the glorification of modern society continues...
SOB
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LOL!!! (friggin coffee snort)
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Arm the Giant Lazeerrr!
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The Ewok smoking the pipe in Return of the Jedi.....
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Man theyve got a point... I know I started smoking because I saw James Dean do it. :rolleyes:
What a diddlyed up society we live in.
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it all started with the hippies... been downhill ever since.
lazs
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Why are complaing about this Sandman and Weazel? It's no different than any of the 10,000 liberal/progressive banning and social outrage campaigns that exist today - thanks!
Remember people find smoking OFFENSIVE....
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Still smokin 2 packs a day, offending as many people as I can with every flick of my butts, every discarded wrapper, foil sleeve and YES, the WORLD is my gawdamned ashtray.
diddly you all, very much.
*cough*
The very best defnse is a good offense.
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Or is the "lefty-liberal" knee jerk response hard coded in your conserbative genes?
I was being facetious, if you need that word translated from english into handsomehunk just ask me.
Oh yeah....BTW, I smoke.
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Hang, can I have your airplanes after you die a young and horrible death due to your corporately funded addiction!??
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Please do I dont know them fancy words, nobody done taught them to me...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why are complaing about this Sandman and Weazel? It's no different than any of the 10,000 liberal/progressive banning and social outrage campaigns that exist today - thanks!
Remember people find smoking OFFENSIVE....
Yes, some people do.
They also find carjacking, mugging and general lawlessness to be offensive also.
This doesn't stop "Grand Theft Auto 3" from being a popular form of entertainment.
See... there is the fantasy, make-believe world of television, movies and video games and then there is the real world.
Some of us can actually differentiate the two.
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So far left liberal dominated states like California and New York aren't leading the charge to ban smoking just about anywhere?
And yes Sandman that is happening in the real world not your la la land....
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So far left liberal dominated states like California and New York aren't leading the charge to ban smoking just about anywhere?
And yes Sandman that is happening in the real world not your la la land....
Are these same liberal dominated states leading the charge to ban smoking by fictional characters as well?
I don't understand the la la land comment...
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I agree with SOB on this one...it's the glorification of modern society. In the early Bond movies, 007 could handle hand to hand combat and did a lot of grappling.
Nowadays, the James Bond character relies far too much on fancy moves and gismos to get out of a tough situation.
One of the things that makes Bond so great is, he can fight and kick ass, then make love to beautiful women. All the while indulging in drinking and smoking without deleterious effects, because he works out and keeps in shape. That's why Bond is so cool.
Afraid the days of the cigarrette smoking Bond are over for good. It's a shame, but makes the early Bond movies just that much more enjoyable for me. A politically correct James Bond would just not be the same.
I still say Connery was the best 007 in Goldfinger...a classic movie with a cool soundtrack, and even cooler popsicle Galore and her flying circus.
George Lazenby is my next favorite Bond character, because he doesn't depend on much else besides his fighting and grappling abilities, street smarts and physical condition to accomplish his missions. Nothing fancy about Lazenby. Bond actually got married in "On Her Majestie's Secret Service" Think this was the only Bond movie where Lazenby played Bond.
Les
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Dammit Grun, what in the hell are you babbling about?! :) I can't stand cigarette smoke either, but don't see what that has to do with a fictional character smoking on a movie screen.
SOB
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glorification of modern society
says it all... sob
there's a lot of toejam besides smoking going on in movies, etc,, it doesn't mean you have to go "lemming" on us
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Am I the only only one here who sees a direct parallel between those people who want to ban smoking in public places and the people who want to ban and/or discourage it in a widely released work of popular fiction? The idea is to ban/discourge smoking, no? Is it that complicated? :)
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So GRUN! You are pro smoking and want to ENCOURAGE smoking to our young people? What is wrong with you man? Your either with the smokers or against them and I demand to know which side you are on Mr. Smoke lover!
BTW, that was sarcasm....
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Wonder how many of those anti-smoking advocates are indeed alcoholics? And, can they sue Bond for their booze problem? :)
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You make a very good point rip. People sue the creators of Beavis and Butthead because children imitate the retards and try to light things, including themselves, on fire. Led Zeppelin was accused of having satanical lyrics in Stairway to Heaven, and people tried to ban the album. The list just goes on and on.
It is ok and acceptable for us to show pictures of mutilated bodies and mass terror on television, but one cannot show a naked human being. We assault our senses every day with mindless insanity we like to call news. We hear about rapes, murders, arson, assault, terrorists. Rarely, if ever do we ever hear about Mrs. Johnson's favorite recipe for homemade apple pie, or the Smith's just celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary.
It's a simple matter of being responsible. There is no such thing as a "phase plasma rifle in the 40 watt range." We can accept that. Why is it so difficult for us to accept that James Bond doesn't exist either? He's a womanizing, over-the-top, bad-guy-butt-kicking, world-saving, drinking, smoking, way-cool-gagdet-wielding *FANTASY*.
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you are so right jonny.
ComradII
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Am I the only only one here who sees a direct parallel between those people who want to ban smoking in public places and the people who want to ban and/or discourage it in a widely released work of popular fiction? The idea is to ban/discourge smoking, no? Is it that complicated? :)
Yes.
Banning smoking in public places and discouraging the use of tobacco products is a health issue or can be argued as one.
Banning smoking or depictions of smoking in works of fiction is a censorship issue.
There really is no end to the number of things that are done or can happen in movies and television and video games that would land you in prison, or out of a marriage, or in the hospital if you tried the same thing at home.
To consider behavior by fictional characters as tacit approval or endorsement of the same behavior in the real world is just silly. I believe the courts will laugh at you if you use it as an argument.
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Yea so how many cigarette ads do you see on TV now? Or news anchors and talk show hosts lighting up nightly on national TV... Apparenty somebody with influence did not see that as all too silly...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yea so how many cigarette ads do you see on TV now? Or news anchors and talk show hosts lighting up nightly on national TV... Apparenty somebody with influence did not see that as all too silly...
Television ads and nightly news are not considered fiction.
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Why does it matter if it's fiction? It's still censorship if cigarette companies arent allowed to sponsor gameshows or news/interview programs. What in your mind gives fictional programs greater "anti-censorship" protections than gameshows or the like.
And this all about censorship anyway IIRC.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why does it matter if it's fiction? It's still censorship if cigarette companies arent allowed to sponsor gameshows or news/interview programs. What in your mind gives fictional programs greater "anti-censorship" protections than gameshows or the like.
And this all about censorship anyway IIRC.
What makes you think that the broadcasters aren't possibly censoring themselves?
Hell... remember Tom Snyder on late night? The guy used to chain smoke during the show.
Also... one thing to keep in mind even though it might not be quite relevant... The frequencies used by the networks belong to us, the public. That puts them under the direct control of the government. The same cannot be said for a fictional movie created by a private company for display in a private theatre using private equipment.
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So fictional movies are never broadcast? Or the creators never forsee such a possibility...
Well the US federal government banned cigarette company advertisements on TV programs and radio in 1971... Maybe that makes me think they "aren't possibly censoring themselves"..
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It's pretty obvious you still yearn for a dictatorship.
Or....are you too scared to go?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So fictional movies are never broadcast? Or the creators never forsee such a possibility...
Right back to the beginning. Fiction is fiction. A lot of things happen in fictional tales that aren't tolerated in the real world nor are they endorsed in non-fiction reports.
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Weazel you have an excellent imaginiation, I bet your pre-school teachers are very proud of you!