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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SOB on November 20, 2002, 03:13:35 PM
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So, I had to go up to Portland today to drop off my defective car stereo for service. Since I was up there anyhow, I took the opportunity to pick up some take-out from Wu's Open Kitchen AKA The Best Damned Chinese Food around. I just finished mowing down my Kung Pao and cracked open my cookie to find a fortune that says "Union gives strength. Work cooperatively".
WTF?! Is the bakery that makes the cookie a union shop??? :D
SOB
PS...F*ck (most) unions.
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I think you got a Chinese commie cookie.
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Originally posted by SOB
PS...F*ck (most) unions.
amen - remove the 'most' though.
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Sob be carefull or those commies steal some of your Precious Bodily Fluids.
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I think unions can be a good thing. Certainly, some unions have some rather shady practices. The same can be said for some employers.
To say that all unions are bad is to imply that all employers are good.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I think unions can be a good thing.
No organisation that distributes propaganda through cookies can be a good thing.
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What makes you think it's propaganda?
Main Entry: 1union
Pronunciation: 'yün-y&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Late Latin union-, unio oneness, union, from Latin unus one -- more at ONE
Date: 15th century
1 a : an act or instance of uniting or joining two or more things into one: as (1) : the formation of a single political unit from two or more separate and independent units (2) : a uniting in marriage; also : SEXUAL INTERCOURSE (3) : the growing together of severed parts b : a unified condition : COMBINATION, JUNCTION
2 : something that is made one : something formed by a combining or coalition of parts or members: as a : a confederation of independent individuals (as nations or persons) for some common purpose b (1) : a political unit constituting an organic whole formed usually from previously independent units (as England and Scotland in 1707) which have surrendered their principal powers to the government of the whole or to a newly created government (as the U.S. in 1789) (2) capitalized : the federal union of states during the period of the U.S. Civil War c capitalized : an organization on a college or university campus providing recreational, social, cultural, and sometimes dining facilities; also : the building housing such an organization d : the set of all elements belonging to one or more of a given collection of two or more sets -- called also join, sum e : LABOR UNION
3 a : a device emblematic of the union of two or more sovereignties borne on a national flag typically in the upper inner corner or constituting the whole design of the flag b : the upper inner corner of a flag
4 : any of various devices for connecting parts (as of a machine); especially : a coupling for pipes or pipes and fittings
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Bah, you're probably one of them.
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never tried the place. but if it is " The Best Damned Chinese Food around." then, ya it probably is a union shop.
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Any company with a Union probably deserves it.
Little side story. My Dad's company was about to have a union vote. While direct lobbying is illegal he took the opportunity to figure out the total of 1 years Union dues. He then went out and bought a bunch of cool toys like TV sets, a shotgun, and other stuff with that money. These were placed in a conspicuous location in the plant and a little sign just said "1 years dues".
The union lost the election.
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get rid of unions , if workers made .50 cents a day , we could compeat with the chinese
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I think someone should loose their hard line status against unions and read what was in the cookie.
Your being biased.
"Union gives strength. Work cooperatively".
All it's saying is work together in unity and work cooperatively.
Your the one putting the unionism into it.
:)
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So, it's actually a socialist message?! F*ck Socialists! :D
SOB
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
never tried the place. but if it is " The Best Damned Chinese Food around." then, ya it probably is a union shop.
General Tso's, Kung Pao, Sesame Chicken, Hot & Spicy Beef are my favs there....they've got locations in LakeO, Breedertown, Tigard & Aloha. Worth trying if you're out that way!
SOB
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Which came first?
Piss-poor management or unions?
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Psst. I'm pretty sure SOB knew that. He was joking.
My school's union sux, as does the NEA. Neither sees any of my money.
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I'll have to check it out next time I'm on that side of town. (don't get over that way much though, too much damn traffic).
I'm packing for a trip to K-falls right now. nothing quite so fun as a 5-6 hour drive through the passes, imediatly followed by a 12 hour shift. :( oh well, the money should be good.
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Did it come in little red wrapping?
Tronsky
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Ick...I wish you little snow!
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lol Toad.
I only started working 2 years ago and have had three managers. The first was ineffectual, the second was ineffectual and indecisive and only now have I got someone who's up to the job. I'm trying to learn as much as I can from the guy.
From my limited experience, unions are a good idea, some of the time.
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unions are for sissies.
lazs
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Unions cannot provide anything decent management cannot beat.
Obviously bad management preceeded the unions Toad, but with current labor laws Unions are essencially unnecessary. Like I said, any company with a union probably deserves it.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Any company with a Union probably deserves it.
Little side story. My Dad's company was about to have a union vote. While direct lobbying is illegal he took the opportunity to figure out the total of 1 years Union dues. He then went out and bought a bunch of cool toys like TV sets, a shotgun, and other stuff with that money. These were placed in a conspicuous location in the plant and a little sign just said "1 years dues".
The union lost the election.
Strange, I pay $720 a year in union dues at their new inflated dues rate. My last raise (just the raise alone) payed for them in the 1st 2 week check. Noone hates the union so much anymore.
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Wow MT a union buster at heart.... Brings tears to my eyes. :D
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liberals espouse liberal ideas only when it is your ox being gored... They tend to "conservative up" when they are being affected. It has allways been this way. It is rosie odonnel shreiking out for gun control from behind her concealed carry permit holding bodyguard...
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
liberals espouse liberal ideas only when it is your ox being gored... They tend to "conservative up" when they are being affected. It has allways been this way. It is rosie odonnel shreiking out for gun control from behind her concealed carry permit holding bodyguard...
lazs
Conservatives tend to lump people into pigeonholes for easy consumption by their dim witted constituents.
:p
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I'm a UPS Teamster here....being a Republican during this last election was an eye opener and most of the usualy casual political discussions turned into yelling matches because the local "heardliners" insisted anyone a Teamster MUST be a Democrat and vote their way. I objected and told them that the main purpose of a union is to represent the employees and barter for better wages and benefits. I'll be damned if I'm going to barter for better wages and loose them all to tax-increasing Democrats as we have here in Maine (which has the highest income taxes and lowest average income).
The Union has its Pros and Con...yeah, let's work with the company and meet goals so we all get better paychecks. But Unions should not be political voices. Its like me saying Maine hates Democrats...whom am I to speak for all? And that's what Unions do....claim to speak for all in matters they A) Haven't a clue and B) Misrepresent their organizations political views.
Anyways....there's the Cliff Note version of my Union Sermon. My Union Reps despise me because I'm not sold on their Union Lines and I research my facts. The Company loves me because I give the Union such a hard time. For what I pay in dues, its my duty to get straight answers :)
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I believe there's a Wu's in Gresham too, at least I think that's where I used to eat lunch out there a lot.
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Hmmmmmmm, I'm trying to think of an industry that has grown by being unionized. Anyone know of any? I think the steel industry started to decline after a strike in 1959. That affected iron workers in Minnesota which in turn hurt all people who serviced steel workers and iron workers. See trickle down works!
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Originally posted by OZkansas
Hmmmmmmm, I'm trying to think of an industry that has grown by being unionized. Anyone know of any? I think the steel industry started to decline after a strike in 1959. That affected iron workers in Minnesota which in turn hurt all people who serviced steel workers and iron workers. See trickle down works!
So a strike 43 years ago killed the steel industry even though there has not been one since.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Strange, I pay $720 a year in union dues at their new inflated dues rate. My last raise (just the raise alone) payed for them in the 1st 2 week check. Noone hates the union so much anymore.
I was wondering why the airlines are in such a piss poor financial state...I thought it was 9/11...apparently not.:rolleyes:
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Like I said, any company with a union probably deserves it.
Bingo.
Lotsa folks like to point at unions and blame 'em for the unraveling of the american economy.
roadkill.
You won't get any crew to vote union unless they are being screwed by management. Once management gets it's collective act together, they then love to point at the unions stewards and make 'unneccessary, expensive and counter-productive' noises.
roadkill again. Pull the union out, and there's nothin to keep those amazinhunks in management from screwin the crews just like before.
Management: "Profits for the shareholders is paramount"
Union: "A fair wage, safe working conditions and protection from scumbag floorbosses is paramount"
Yah, I'm pro union till the day the govenment guarentees the employers ain't got a way to screw us outta our benefits 6 months before we retire.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Unions cannot provide anything decent management cannot beat.
Obviously bad management preceeded the unions Toad, but with current labor laws Unions are essencially unnecessary. Like I said, any company with a union probably deserves it.
I was all set to jump on this one, but then Hangtime summed it up perfectly.
The idea that current labor laws make Unions unnecessary is Pollyanna thinking at it's best.
You can't FIND decent management, like Hang said. At least you can't count on finding it and having it stay that way without a Union.
Like I said, the ONLY thing worse than a Union is ....... No Union.
Checks and balances. Without Unions, Managment is unchecked.
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Heh, my union, hwich is one consisting of IT-professionals, is non political.
The rest of the unions here suck - all left leaning. You'll get hell if you don't join the same union as your co-workers (my mother did, but still dinnae join, and they said she had no 'solidarity'.
thing is, her union actively gave money to the social democrats - money taken from the membership fees. And my mom (bless her) ain't no social commu...err democrat.
My union has some lawyers, and we get to use 'em in case we're wrongfully fired and stuff like that. Already paid for by the membership fee.
Most are just bloated old fashioned leftovers from the industrial age though, and fail to recognize that we now live in a service oriented world :).
Those that aren't are run like they are :D
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"Conservatives tend to lump people into pigeonholes for easy consumption by their dim witted constituents. "
perhaps but... It is both time saving and accurate enough in most cases to do so.. On a personal level you might have to dig a little deeper but... generalizations work well enough to get by on. Locking your car door while driving thru a ghetto say, is generalizing and... prudent. Being armed is better of course.
unions... decent concept badly executed. whenever I am part of a barganing group I allways suggest that we get rid of the current union and get a new one... any of the ones promising us the moon... then, after they have done their job and before the next negotiations... we fire their lazy bellybutton and get a new one.. fat filled lazy bloodsuckers... They have the same scent as shyster lawyers but.... when ya need em.... you want yours to be the most ruthless and unprincipaled you can get.
lazs