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Title: Language in the MA
Post by: -tronski- on November 21, 2002, 12:48:22 AM
Im so pleased that today I got muted today for this:
 
I said on the knight channel:

A whoopeeed Niki hit me from 800+

whereas I got a warning for language

where I said:

Get real

booyah 10 mins:

whereas on channel 1: there was a nice conversation about donkeyrapingshi.... and licking sweaty and yet nothing.

So when I can talk I ask:

Whos monitoring the language in here?

and when asked why

because I got muted for 10 for saying whoopeeed  
and during the quick jokes about satan being in the room and old church woman from other knights... guess what happened????!!!

10 mins more and a polite message about not learning my lesson.....

Oh what joy....perhaps I'll learn my lesson and just talk about raping donkeys instead....

 Tronsky
Title: It upsets some people
Post by: weazel on November 21, 2002, 01:10:35 AM
When you use their imaginary friends name in vain.


A godamned Nik hit me from 800+
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: -tronski- on November 21, 2002, 01:14:13 AM
who God, or Nik?  (should read Niki)

 Tronsky
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: moose on November 21, 2002, 01:20:39 AM
If that's the complete unaltered truth then I completely agree that there is a serious attitude problem with the moderators.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: moot on November 21, 2002, 03:10:07 AM
A famous pilot on ch1 this evening accused someone (a group of which includes a mute priv'd user) who had a beef with him of using his mute powers for personal business.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: bikekil on November 21, 2002, 04:34:39 AM
*if* it's exactly what happened (why i shouldn't believe?) it should be recorded by you and then posted on the BB for evidence. Responsible person should explain what happened and why happened.
After that someone should appology (and if it's a moderator... i would reconsider his rights on MA)

But honestly without any evidence discussing it is pointless (more or less)... sooner or later someone will call you liar or something.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Dowding (Work) on November 21, 2002, 04:48:57 AM
Tronski seems like a reasonable guy, so I don't see why he should lie. Shame there's no film, but I've so much of that pseudo-swearing crap in the MA recently it makes me wonder if there's any moderation at all.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: brady on November 21, 2002, 05:01:47 AM
Ya I had my muting chery poped the other day, first time in ever and I have been playing a while.

 I said "Bite me" though.:)

 Check it out:

 http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69037
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: brady on November 21, 2002, 05:08:57 AM
Ya know, maybe it's just me but profanity realy doesent phase me much, If I see it I figure their upset or just what ever and blow it off, unless of course they keep saying over and over and over.

 What I find offensive is some of the drivel that goes on chanel one.

 I also kinda gota wounder what's going on with whom ever is montering this stuff.

 Some realy sick toejam gets by compleatly uynchecked while somthing as unoffensive as get real warents muting? wtf.

 Or perhaps thats the whole point it is ok to vent and say a bad word, once, but if you chalenge the moderator at all U have comited a sin and are done for right away ...O ya....lol
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: -tronski- on November 21, 2002, 05:15:03 AM
I have screenies of the other stuff on Ch.1 , just not mine on the knight channel...I think I was too gobsmacked/surprised to think of taking them, after the first time...and just logged off after the second.

Like I said, I voiced my surprise the first time and was slapped a second time....I swear like a sailor sometimes, but never online cause I know the consequences...but that schmozzle today  was ridicolous considering the type of language befalling Ch.1, and the stupidy of getting done for whoopeeed!

 Tronsky
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: moot on November 21, 2002, 05:21:43 AM
Let's face it, this is an open community, so HTC is responsible and just making a few examples is enough to keep the rules clear to everyone, and besides, the moderators are players too.

On the other hand it's prolly unacceptable by HTC to have moderators going mafioso.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: fffreeze220 on November 21, 2002, 07:03:14 AM
I got mutet for saying real bad stuff in german :)
So u better take care lol
Foreign language doesnt help not getting mutet :)
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Curval on November 21, 2002, 07:47:49 AM
I don't understand the need for bad language...disguised or otherwise.

I was hit in the radiator last night and with three kills headed back to base.  My engine konked out so I had to ditch.  Just as I was about to touch down I was raked with fire and blew up.

In no way do I hold any animosity toward the pilot who shot me down..in fact he should be congratulated for getting a good kill.  The best kill is one in which the killer isn't seeen and who never even gets shot at IMHO.

If a guy hits me with fire from 1.2k out...he is either a damn good shot or lucky.  If the later...SO WHAT...he killed me and it was my own stupid fault for letting him get close enogh to do so.

No excuse for bad language.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Eagler on November 21, 2002, 07:58:47 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Curval
No excuse for bad language.


Lack of education <- limited vocabulary
Lack of self esteem
Lack of self control
Immaturity
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: WldThing on November 21, 2002, 08:06:32 AM
The sad thing is that if a person gets muted for 60 minutes, all they have to do is relogg and they can keep talking once again...This IMO should be changed.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: SELECTOR on November 21, 2002, 08:08:07 AM
ive offten wondered if the monitor speaks english... ive been muted for saying stuff which is not bad language in UK .. i never use bad language in real life so i would not use it in game when minors may be playing...

ive seen some real foul mouth players get around it by placing symbols around words   ##swear##

i truly belive in freedom of speach, but bad language is not welcomed as you can surly make a point without it..

:D dont punnish by muting , make c47 the only option for 30 mins
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shane on November 21, 2002, 08:11:32 AM
Quote
Originally posted by WldThing
The sad thing is that if a person gets muted for 60 minutes, all they have to do is relogg and they can keep talking once again...This IMO should be changed.


that's in the DA, where the filter is on, not done by an actual person. and an hr is pretty execssive.  MA mutes last 10 mins.

I think TA is an hr, i dunno.


funny he got muted for whoopeeed, but we have a suqad called the damned.

i guess if he had said  damned nik, it might've been ok, especially if it was a damned in a niki?

gotta love the inconsistencies, almost as much as it usually being *who* you know rather than *what* you say that gets one muted.

moot has a pretty valid point, imho.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Widewing on November 21, 2002, 08:25:16 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Shane
that's in the DA, where the filter is on, not done by an actual person. and an hr is pretty execssive.  MA mutes last 10 mins.

I think TA is an hr, i dunno.


funny he got muted for whoopeeed, but we have a suqad called the damned.

i guess if he had said  damned nik, it might've been ok, especially if it was a damned in a niki?

gotta love the inconsistencies, almost as much as it usually being *who* you know rather than *what* you say that gets one muted.

moot has a pretty valid point, imho.


Not long ago I was having a conversation with mrdick. I simply referred to him as Dick in the text, and was promptly muted....

You would think that the context of a conversation would have some bearing..... Obviously not. :rolleyes:

"Stupid is as stupid does." - Gump

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shane on November 21, 2002, 08:27:21 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Widewing
Not long ago I was having a conversation with mrdick. I simply referred to him as Dick in the text, and was promptly muted....
You would think that the context of a conversation would have some bearing..... Obviously not. :rolleyes:
"Stupid is as stupid does." - Gump
My regards, Widewing


not to mention it's a *name*.  lol, gawd.  makes you wonder about "peter," tho' or johnson.... willie?

:D
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Saw at Work on November 21, 2002, 08:35:01 AM
I was once prompted that if I ever sang again in the tower radio before a takeoff during a major event... I'd be booted. Then again, this might have to do with my bad singing :D

I strongly suspect Superfly :o
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Curval on November 21, 2002, 08:41:20 AM
The situations involving names, or silly interpretaions by the moderator are understandably frustrating.

Tronski, however,  started this thread by complaining that he was muted for say "whoopee" for which he was properly muted IMHO.  

I swear ALOT when online...don't get me wrong.  I just don't do it on channel 1.  MOST of my swearing is directed at myself for being stupid.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: eagl on November 21, 2002, 08:52:22 AM
If you fly in my H2H arena, I guarantee you won't get squelched for bad language :)
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Yeager on November 21, 2002, 09:06:18 AM
I hate morons and hugahunks!

KILL THEM BASTARDZ!!!!!

ArrRGHHHH!
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Catching Spies on November 21, 2002, 09:43:04 AM
Regardless if you believe in God or not I personally do not like to read or hear that word.
Title: Re: Language in the MA
Post by: Samiam on November 21, 2002, 09:49:29 AM
Quote

A whoopeeed Niki hit me from 800+



This offends me.

Now, if you'd said:

A whoopeeed George (or Shiden Kai) hit me from 800+

we wouldn't have so much of a problem.


Of course we could have fewer colorful outbursts. I hardley look at the text buffers - they are easy to ignore. But ranting on the area vox channel is unecessary. If you have to spew filth to make you feel better about your unjust death, do it to your dog with your mic off. He certainly cares more than the rest of us.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shiva on November 21, 2002, 09:53:10 AM
Quote
Originally posted by fffreeze220
Foreign language doesnt help not getting mutet :)


Depends on how foreign the language is; there are enough cognates from German to English to allow an English speaker to get a fair idea of whether a German term is a vulgarity -- 'arschloch', for example. Languages that are less common, or which are linguistically further from English, would be harder for an English speaker to catch. For example, calling someone  a 'zalupu konskaya' or telling them 'tebya ne ebut, ti ne podmakhivay', or describing them as 'baltattsya kak govno v prorubi' would be much less likely to be caught, even though they're all vulgarities.

And if you go further afield, there are a number of science fiction and fantasy authors that have put enough work into creating languages for their worlds that they have created vulgarities in them, which would be unintelligible to someone else unless they'd read the books. For example, calling someone a 'shendi-fleckin, shidoni-be-shayed lorsh' won't be understood by someone who hasn't read Jacqueline Lichtenberg's Sime/Gen stories. Other fictional languages would be more recognizable; for example, calling someone a 'petaQ' or 'k'pekt' or exclaiming 'Qu'vatlh!' or 'QI'yaH!' would be recognizable to someone familiar with Star Trek as being Klingon vulgarities.

So if you want to be vulgar on the radio, you just need to be more inventive about it.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Furious on November 21, 2002, 10:25:34 AM
I can get muted by the auto-mute just for typing in my squads name.

Now that is just frikkin cool.  I do it to myself when I am bored.


F.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: loser on November 21, 2002, 10:42:56 AM
tronski i see what you are saying, but still.

You were muted for a good reason (not that what you said would personally offend me.)

The fact that others were also typing out innappropriate things (also things that wouldnt bother me,) and weren't caught has nothing to do with your getting muted.

It is like getting a ticket for running a red light then saying to the cop "Yeah well, the guy in front of me ran the red light too!"  It's just not a valid ecxuse.

I also feel that the names of the moderators should not be known.  Incidents like this would turn into hundred plus posts on this BBS that would consist of whines and personal attacks.

What i do find weird though, is that some seem to get away with alot of profanity and such without getting muted.  Eg. I will see a guy type "shit, bastard, etc..." on the radio (particularily channel 2,) so i will try to type out the same word and I will get muted for ten minutes.  I type the word in question just to "test" the system and see if i will get muted for the same thing another person did not get muted for.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Steve on November 21, 2002, 11:18:04 AM
I got muted last nite(rightfully so) for getttin in a pissing match w/ Rude.  Immediately after getting muted,  I got  a popup message that said," You just don't get it, do you?"  This leads me to believe that one  of those 13th TAS losers has mute capabilities. I hope it's not Rude... I really dislike this fellow.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Turbot on November 21, 2002, 11:21:31 AM
Quote
Originally posted by loser
What i do find weird though, is that some seem to get away with alot of profanity and such without getting muted.  Eg. I will see a guy type "shit, bastard, etc..." on the radio (particularily channel 2,) so i will try to type out the same word and I will get muted for ten minutes.  I type the word in question just to "test" the system and see if i will get muted for the same thing another person did not get muted for.


Everyone is equal, but some people are more equal than others.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Rude on November 21, 2002, 11:36:34 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve
I got muted last nite(rightfully so) for getttin in a pissing match w/ Rude.  Immediately after getting muted,  I got  a popup message that said," You just don't get it, do you?"  This leads me to believe that one  of those 13th TAS losers has mute capabilities. I hope it's not Rude... I really dislike this fellow.


Just because I killed ya like the llittle turd ya are, then had to listen to ya whine about it, doesnt mean you should dislike me...I'm really a nice guy:)
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on November 21, 2002, 11:40:41 AM
I dunno who HTC put in charge of muting people....

but they seriously need to boot these ******** <- see expletive deleted.

I got muted over a year and half ago for no vulgarities, and got muted again when I came back and said "why did I get muted?" while the other party sat there happily typing away without being muted.

I no longer type on channel 1 or channel 2 except for very rare instances...

I can type on squad channel whatever I want... atleast the guys I fly with don't have problems that would be resolved with some Preperation-H. (not saying Nim doesn't have problems... but they can be resolved with a baseball bat :) )
-SW
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Ripsnort on November 21, 2002, 11:44:42 AM
I just use the initials "GD" as in "GD Niki hit me from 800 yards!" and never had a problem.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Vulcan on November 21, 2002, 12:03:36 PM
Been there done that got warned. Shortly after I got warned there was a pissing match on ch #1, I wasn't involved, but it went on some time unhindered.

I've also been warned for FEK. Which is quite different to the other word. Just to put it in perspective the BBC find no issue in using this word in prime time family comedies.

GD may be 'offensive' to some people, and people might be confused about what Fek is - but do either of this classify as vulgarities? I don't think so.

I can take the warnings, but when theres a pissing match between a couple of dweebs going on unhindered questions have to be asked.


Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
I just use the initials "GD" as in "GD Niki hit me from 800 yards!" and never had a problem.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Samiam on November 21, 2002, 12:08:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
I just use the initials "GD" as in "GD Niki hit me from 800 yards!" and never had a problem.



There ya' go using that "N" word again ("Niki"). Will the obscenity never stop!?!:D
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: WldThing on November 21, 2002, 12:08:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rude
I'm really a nice guy:)


Thats true dont let the name fool ya ;)

PS.  If i had mute capabilities i'd shut the whole channel 1 up. :)
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Samiam on November 21, 2002, 12:15:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by WldThing

PS.  If i had mute capabilities i'd shut the whole channel 1 up. :) [/B]


Uh, what about /.squelch 1. Or are you talking about VOX?

On a different but related note, I recently discovered that you can tune your VOX channel to a specific person - regardless of team. You can chat away at them and they can do nothing about it except listen to you or log. True?
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Ripsnort on November 21, 2002, 12:19:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Samiam
There ya' go using that "N" word again ("Niki"). Will the obscenity never stop!?!:D


:D

Edit: I used to get angry at N1K drivers, now I just view them as "they NEED the N1k". ;)
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: AKcurly on November 21, 2002, 12:38:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve
I got muted last nite(rightfully so) for getttin in a pissing match w/ Rude.  Immediately after getting muted,  I got  a popup message that said," You just don't get it, do you?"  This leads me to believe that one  of those 13th TAS losers has mute capabilities. I hope it's not Rude... I really dislike this fellow.


Rude is a nice feller, Steve.  Indeed, all of the 13th TAS guys are cool.   I must have had ch 1 squelched since I missed the exchange.

I suspect guys are squelched more frequently for disruptive behavior rather than profantity.  Profanity can be funny. :)  Imagine if we heard Drex say "expletive ..."  Now that would be funny since Drex never says anything other than ( or good kill).

Imagine, the best stick (Drex) in Aces High and he never feels the need to comment on how/why he lost a fight. :)

We could all take a page from that book, eh? :)

curly
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: eagl on November 21, 2002, 12:58:57 PM
curly,

You've never sat beside Drex at a con eh?  :)
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: vorticon on November 21, 2002, 01:02:39 PM
if you get muted land your kills log off then back on youll be unmuted :)
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: WldThing on November 21, 2002, 01:02:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Samiam
On a different but related note, I recently discovered that you can tune your VOX channel to a specific person - regardless of team. You can chat away at them and they can do nothing about it except listen to you or log. True?


Yes thats true, you can tune to a specific person which ever country they are and talk away.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Samiam on November 21, 2002, 01:54:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort

Edit: I used to get angry at N1K drivers, now I just view them as "they NEED the N1k". ;) [/B]


Not complainin' 'bout N1K drivers. Complainin' 'bout thems that call the George "Niki". Yech.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: AKcurly on November 21, 2002, 02:05:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eagl
curly,

You've never sat beside Drex at a con eh?  :)


Yep, there at the last one - even saw the blessed event when Nimitz changed Drex's stick setup so that the trigger mapped to "bail out." :)

My remarks concerning drex referred to keyboard remarks, not his actual vocalizations.

curly
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Paxil on November 21, 2002, 02:06:44 PM
Upset when shot down (not your fault... the uber niki's fault)... upset when muted (not your fault... the moderator’s fault) Let me guess... lining up to sue McDonald's for being over-weight? Take some personal responsibility for typing something you shouldn't have and deal with it instead of once again blaming it on someone else being inept. Don't point the finger and look for 'well they didn't or they said..' If you typed something you shouldn't have... deal with it.

Unfortunately, right now my PC sits in the middle of my apt where everyone can hear... nothing really bothers me... but my 9-year old daughter doesn't need to be hearing some of the smack. And yes... I do have headphones now but unplug them while running around at times.  Thank goodness for the squelch, I just wish I could permanently squelch people.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Steve on November 21, 2002, 02:24:44 PM
Curly. Rude may be a nice guy..dunno.  I know he was rude to me. To be fair to the guy, he baited me and I stepped right into it.  I started smackin on 1. Again, I was muted and for good reason.  The popup window I received afterward was the decision maker for me though, so I have issue w/ the whole squad.  Not saying I'm in the right, just that I'll take particular pleasure in killing them.



Are AK's back to bish?  As much as I like flyin w/ many of the rooks, I was left hanging after saving a countryman once too often and am going to make a change when I log on today.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Widewing on November 21, 2002, 02:53:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve
Curly. Rude may be a nice guy..dunno.  I know he was rude to me. To be fair to the guy, he baited me and I stepped right into it.  I started smackin on 1. Again, I was muted and for good reason.  The popup window I received afterward was the decision maker for me though, so I have issue w/ the whole squad.  Not saying I'm in the right, just that I'll take particular pleasure in killing them.



Are AK's back to bish?  As much as I like flyin w/ many of the rooks, I was left hanging after saving a countryman once too often and am going to make a change when I log on today.


Steve, I learned a long time ago that you cannot depend upon people to stay in the fight after you have cleared their 6 of a horde. More often than not, they take to opportunity to bug out.

These days, I tend to help only those I know will not leave me holding the bag. The rest of them can consider their experience as a lesson in SA. I even tell my squadies that I won't compound their mistake by getting myself killed too. Especially if I warned them not to go there in the first place.

I'll miss you flying Rook, but good luck with whatever country you choose to fly with.

Cya up there!

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: WldThing on November 21, 2002, 03:25:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve
just that I'll take particular pleasure in killing them.


Good Luck!
Title: wldthing
Post by: Steve on November 21, 2002, 03:30:35 PM
Notice I didn't mention I'd be doing it w/ any regularity.  heheh


Wheeeeeeeee!
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Toad on November 21, 2002, 04:44:07 PM
1. There's the built in profanity filter/mute function. It has no judgement, it merely does what it is programmed to do. There are undoubtedly clever ways trick it. It has no emotion, no judgement, no "common sense" though.

At any time, that may be all the "moderation" that is working/available in the Main.

2. There are an unknown number of human "moderators". HTC apparently picks them and there's no list that I know about. I'd guess HTC gives them a list or an idea of what they want "moderated".

As soon as you introduce a human into the equation, you get "judgement calls". I suspect that everyone is different. Probably what might bother one moderator can slide by unnoticed by another.

Did HTC tell these guys to "moderate" the trash talking in the Main? The machismo? Or did they just tell them to try to clean up the language, which is what most of the BBS threads that complain about Ch 1 deal with?

Basically, no of us have a clue how the human moderator function works. We don't know who or how many or what their marching orders are.

So we can have two situations: the built in filter/moderator alone in the MA or the built in + an unknown number of human moderators with their own ideas of what to do. Therein lies the inconsistency, IMO.

Perhaps this thread should focus on what we would want them to do and HTC can adjust the "standing orders" accordingly.

Do we just want to clean up the text language? Or do we want to stomp out the "Quien es muy macho" stuff too?

Of course, taunting USED to be an artform. In other days, in other games, it was fun to read and listen to. Unfortunately, there seems to be a lack of skilled taunters lately. There were those that could do it without being the least bit vulgar; to the contrary, they were polite in their takedowns. Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?

As far as 13 TAS getting mute privs... I'm all for it! Where do I sign up? Most of the verbal sparring doesn't bother me, but I'd be pretty tough on the vulgarities....... including the use of uppercase numbers in strategic places. :D

Where do I apply?

BTW, if you ever see a 13th pilot getting vulgar on text or on vox, please bring it to the attention of either Rude or myself. That's perhaps the biggest "no-no" we have. If you can't express yourself without vulgarity, you obviously lack the intelligence, originality and imagination required to operate in harmony with the rest of the 13th.  :D
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: icemaw on November 21, 2002, 04:52:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by -tronski-
who God, or Nik?  (should read Niki)

 Tronsky
 They are one in the same according to most players.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: moot on November 21, 2002, 04:55:58 PM
Morality is the essense of civility, ok.
But there are two that say were muted for private grudges.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Toad on November 21, 2002, 05:35:19 PM
Of course, they haven't explained the "private grudges" or offered any sort of support for the accusation whatsoever.

Or did I miss something?
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shane on November 21, 2002, 05:37:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by moot
Morality is the essense of civility, ok.
But there are two that say were muted for private grudges.


this is an issue of interest to me as well - extending to and abuse of these "privledges" for the benefit of other squad members, as opposed to maintaining neutrality and going after any and all "infractions" occurring.

selective moderation kind of puts a cloud over the whole thing.
Title: Toady
Post by: Steve on November 21, 2002, 06:09:26 PM
No no no. none of your gang was vulgar...well not in words anyway ;)

I was, and got muted... I accept my punishment.

Got muted for saying "turd" once.. and it wasn't used as an insult.  Thought that was a bit excessive
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Ecliptik on November 21, 2002, 06:10:24 PM
One thing that annoys me is that the automute also applies in private channels and in one-on-one private chat.  I tend to habitually say "Damnit" with my buddies and have been muted several times after saying it in private chat with my wingman after making a mistake and being killed.  I realize that you want to avoid people tuning their chat to someone else and labasting them with verbal abuse, but this happens anyway and it's what the .squelch command is for.  I really wish the automute only applied to public-sector channels such as Ch1 and Ch2 and the "in-range" channel, possibly also mission channels.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: moot on November 21, 2002, 06:34:26 PM
You couldn't leave censor off in 1-1 channels, the easiest way to get insults at someone is it.
Re: Toad,
If those guys want to say it, they will, i won't in their place, there's two of them that didn't sound like dishonnest trolls.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: JB73 on November 21, 2002, 07:00:41 PM
gotta tell my story of the 1 time i was muted....

there was a player logged on who landed kills with the CIPD : avacado

yes: avacado

i had shot him down the day before and laughed at the name out loud.

anyway this particular night the player avacado landed kills as i said and the whole arena started joking about the name on CH. 1

i chimed in with the statement:i "hit" err shot avacado last night lololol

i was Promptly muted w/o warning.

now i know my play on words was a bit suggestive and was a little peeved that noone else was muted that i saw (most just kept going on about the name)

overall though i was more saddened by the fact that somone at HTC had read my message and was offended.

i sent an email appologizing to HTC that night and hoped that i would not become a player they dont like. i did not want to become a player that is only allowed to keep playing because i pay money.

oh well my 2¢
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Daniko on November 21, 2002, 11:22:13 PM
Jeeze, i've always been fairly incogneato G in the O main, but D after this post, D I'm definately A going to start M funkin with N people's weinerShnitzel man,... I mean what dung is it , . .rrr fun is it , . ..if you can't see someone take it all too seriously, . .to the point where it fek's up their day to day life and turns their kids into little hitler's...., . . ..

ahhhhhh, . ..yepp
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: sling322 on November 22, 2002, 01:31:15 AM
I think a lot of you just dont get it.

If you get a warning, why push it.  I know everytime I have received a warning I figure that the moderator has their eye on me and I better tone it down.  Why continue at that point or even worse, why talk back to the monitor?

It seems to me that if you push the monitor then you deserve what you get.  Funny thing is that 9 times out of 10 if you tone it down after the warning, more than likely nothing will happen.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shane on November 22, 2002, 02:49:31 AM
Quote
Originally posted by sling322
If you get a warning, why push it.  I know everytime I have received a warning I figure that the moderator has their eye on me and I better tone it down.  Why continue at that point or even worse, why talk back to the monitor?


that's all well and cool *if* you actually *receive* a *warning.*

one is supposedly to receive a warning????  or depending on the monitors mood and which of his buddies you're talking to, you get smacked with a mute right off the bat?

hmmmm?
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: wipass on November 22, 2002, 03:55:01 AM
I had always assumed that the software was pre-loaded with words that were "banned", and that the warning was an automatic response, are you saying that there are moderators that monitor all of the radio channels ?

I would have thought that from a physical point of view this would be impossible to do.

wipass
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: moot on November 22, 2002, 04:41:56 AM
there is an automatic censor in the .exe.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shane on November 22, 2002, 08:00:54 AM
as well as occasional human moderators.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Rude on November 22, 2002, 08:21:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve
Curly. Rude may be a nice guy..dunno.  I know he was rude to me. To be fair to the guy, he baited me and I stepped right into it.  I started smackin on 1. Again, I was muted and for good reason.  The popup window I received afterward was the decision maker for me though, so I have issue w/ the whole squad.  Not saying I'm in the right, just that I'll take particular pleasure in killing them.



Are AK's back to bish?  As much as I like flyin w/ many of the rooks, I was left hanging after saving a countryman once too often and am going to make a change when I log on today.


To be loved, is a fine thing.:)

Oh...and thanks Curly....does this mean you'll throw the duel next week?
:)
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Toad on November 22, 2002, 08:23:17 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Shane
that's all well and cool *if* you actually *receive* a *warning.*

one is supposedly to receive a warning????  or depending on the monitors mood and which of his buddies you're talking to, you get smacked with a mute right off the bat?

hmmmm?


Well, does the autocensor issue warnings?

I don't know; I've never been warned or muted. But I'd guess that the autocensor only mutes you. Is this true? Can some of you "more experienced" folks comment?

Is it possible you were automuted by the autocensor with no warning?

Or can you be sure it was a human moderator? If so, that would simply reinforce (to me) the idea that when you introduce humans there's going to be variation in "enforcement". Human judgement then factors into the equation and no two folks are likely to be exactly the same.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shane on November 22, 2002, 08:45:29 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
Well, does the autocensor issue warnings?


let's just say that very infrequently, like maybe once or twice i've gotten a "warning" from what appears to be the filter.

i do know for a fact that the filter doesn't also chime in with unusal commentary in the "error msg box."

:D

feel free to find a quiet spot and test it yourself.

notam: the filter doesn't always seem to be "on."

maybe you can call HTC and ask for some clarification on the matter?

it's that human fudge judge factor that seems to be causing the most consternation and perceptions that things aren't quite fairly being applied.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: fffreeze220 on November 22, 2002, 09:20:53 AM
If u get a message "come down bud" "or watch ur language bud"
then it must be a human moderator.
Title: Obvious Solution
Post by: Samiam on November 22, 2002, 10:16:42 AM
Don't overlook the obvious solution here: Spend more time flying and less time spewing nonsense on Ch. 1.

There is actually more to Aces High than a chat room.

It truly amazes me how much typing goes on. I barely manage to keep enough of an eye on the green text to know what my team is up too, let alone be participating in three conversations on two channels. I swear some people spend two hours online and never leave the tower.

(Of course, I still hold homage to those that I see right there in the middle of a furball with me, yet are still going on about the quality of their 3rd graders education on channel 1. A feat I am in awe of.)
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Steve on November 22, 2002, 10:39:16 AM
My mutes come from a human moderater.  The popup window "You just don't get it,  do you?"  is hardly AI. It's not the muting that bothers me, I deserved it.  It's the arbitrary application of such authority and the churlish taunting I received thereafter.  We may be capable of self-policing,  but at least some of the handsomehunkes that are currently at the switch would better serve us by working at a toll booth or some other mindless drudgery.

It was certainly one of Rude's altstudmuffin friends.
Title: Re: Obvious Solution
Post by: Shane on November 22, 2002, 10:41:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Samiam
Don't overlook the obvious solution here: Spend more time flying and less time spewing nonsense on Ch. 1.


yeah, using private comms is much satisfying when it comes to spewing nonsense.

:rolleyes:
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 22, 2002, 07:04:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve
My mutes come from a human moderater.  The popup window "You just don't get it,  do you?"  is hardly AI. It's not the muting that bothers me, I deserved it.  It's the arbitrary application of such authority and the churlish taunting I received thereafter.  We may be capable of self-policing,  but at least some of the handsomehunkes that are currently at the switch would better serve us by working at a toll booth or some other mindless drudgery.

It was certainly one of Rude's altstudmuffin friends.


To me it seems that the chat Gestapo aren't even handed when they hand out their punishments.  Those that are percieved as the 'in' crowd do tend to get away with a lot more than us 'outsiders'.

But then, just a quick relogging to the MA circumvents any mute punishment.  As well as punctuation at the end of one of the banned words gets past the auto-censor.


Ack-Ack
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shane on November 22, 2002, 07:25:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
But then, just a quick relogging to the MA circumvents any mute punishment.  Ack-Ack


try that with a particularly pissy monitor (or dump inadvertently and come back) might get you a msg like... relog to avoid a mute again will get you gone, with a new 10 min muting.

it's all about who you know or are talking to as much as if not more at times (as perceived) that seems to count or not.

anonymity just opens the system for abuse, imho, especially when things seems so unevenly and sporiadically applied by the human moderators.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: fffreeze220 on November 22, 2002, 07:35:31 PM
.squelch 1
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Don on November 22, 2002, 08:03:04 PM
>>Some realy sick toejam gets by compleatly uynchecked while somthing as unoffensive as get real warents muting? wtf. <<

Hehe, well said :)
Last night I said to a guy that "I don't give a rats ass" in response to a comment he made about people won't respond to me if I type in caps. :) He laughed, and I laughed, and then I received a warning message about profane language.
If it isn't going to be properly enforced, then don't use it IMO.
I too have heard a lot worse from people who intend to be offensive, and continue to do so.
Pfft! The inconsistencies make it less of a help.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on November 22, 2002, 08:21:59 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW I didn't know that so many people had problem with muting, it never happened to me. Then again, I have an education and can control my typing to behave in public.
Maybe you should start by controlling your behavior before wishing to control mederators.

(I sure will make new friends by telling this:D )
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 22, 2002, 08:24:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW I didn't know that so many people had problem with muting, it never happened to me. Then again, I have an education and can control my typing to behave in public.
Maybe you should start by controlling your behavior before wishing to control mederators.

(I sure will make new friends by telling this:D )


But you swear in French ;)


Ack-Ack
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Bodhi on November 23, 2002, 08:58:59 AM
I find the mute feature to be an interesting feature of the game (NOT!), especially when I got muted for calling SHane a studmuffin.... after listening to a 1/2 hour long discussion on how he wanted to rub some man's ass!!!  Now god (shit will prolly get muted for that) knows I am definitely no angel, and I do deserve to be muted from time to time, but there needs to be continuity from the moderators, and this grudge roadkill if it exists needs to disappear.  I have seen on occasions that "certain" individuals get readily defended by the moderator more quickly than others... no names though.  Or, you can take my latest offense, a certain individual was being arrogant on CH 1 (he makes his name out of his country of origin) and there was a discussion over an individual being gay, well after listening to that BS awhile it finally stoped until the person whose name I am not saying chimed in with a "who is gay?"  Thus starting the whole thing again, well, I simply added "the french are" to his query.... well, things are cool for like a minute, and wham.... I get muted again!  Wohoo, thats not like that was an influenced muting.  Even after that person tried to instigate a derogatory conversation into starting up again, not like he gets muted????  

Either way, not all the moderators are unbiased... and if they are going to be muting, then they need to be.  Nuff said.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shane on November 23, 2002, 09:29:38 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
I find the mute feature to be an interesting feature of the game (NOT!), blahblahBSblahblahsexualityis suesblahblahblah


you have some serious sexuality issues.

Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Bodhi on November 23, 2002, 02:18:35 PM
"you have some serious sexuality issues. "
posted by Shane


Now if that is not the pot calling the kettle black.... let's see Shane, you spend 90% of your time on CH1 either berating someone, insulting them, or just extounding on how great you are.  To top it off, you elaborated quite heavily on touching another man's rear end two weeks ago, and I have the sexuality issues.  

The only problems I see here are that:

a: Bodhi is homophobic, always have been, always will be, it is disgusting to me, and generally gives me the willies...  yuck!

b: Shane is never wrong, and will insult to prove it.

c: While maybe a decent virtual pilot, Shane totally fails as person.

So move along and go play your games elsewhere.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shane on November 23, 2002, 04:17:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
now if that is not the pot calling the kettle black.... let's see Shane, you spend 90% of your time on CH1 either berating someone, insulting them, or just extounding on how great you are.  To top it off, you elaborated quite heavily on touching another man's rear end two weeks ago, and I have the sexuality issues.  
The only problems I see here are that:
a: Bodhi is homophobic, always have been, always will be, it is disgusting to me, and generally gives me the willies...  yuck!
b: Shane is never wrong, and will insult to prove it.
c: While maybe a decent virtual pilot, Shane totally fails as person.
So move along and go play your games elsewhere.


what the diddly are you talking about? 95% of any talk i do on channel 1 probably does revolve around player's abilities to play the game - call it trash talk if you want, but it stays within gameplay aspects.  the other 5% is chitchat and hellos. certainly nothing like that situation you're trying to project on me.  did your meds wear off?

*YOU* are always, every single fugging time, insulting my mom, usually in crude sexual ways. *YOU* also always seem to go off on some homosexual tangent.

so yeah fugwad, *YOU* have sexuality issues. I don't even want to try and understand them. homophobic? did you have feelings of inadequacy in the showers after gym class? it aroused you? why don't you get some therapy and see if you can release those repressed feelings.  you might be a happier person for it.  just don't ask me for a date, i don't swing that way.

what is it with you fugwitswho try and go personal with insluts outside of gameplay aspects?  just shows me how much of losers you really are.

to top it off, you fly like you try to smack.  weakly. you're just pissed that every time i turn *YOUR* weak insults back on *YOU* and expose you for the unintelligent ankle-humping fugpuddle you are.


go here for some new material http://www.yomommainsults.com
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Toad on November 23, 2002, 05:25:08 PM
Seems like we need some more BBS moderators too.....

:D
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Bodhi on November 23, 2002, 06:20:00 PM
Gee Shane, did that touch a nerve?  I think the beauty of your massively intellectual response speaks for itself.  It is almost as though you just play into the annals of stupidity with every oozing bit of crap you constantly spew from that wretched hole you call a mouth.  

Display whatever little amounts of BS you choose, I never became personal with you until you opened the door first.  The only reason I even talked to you is because I believe in "eye for an eye: justice, hence I ragged you back until you shut your mouth.  Now you come on here and wish to open those flood gates once again??  If thats so little man, fine by me, but I am not the one who will dissappear for a few weeks because I am tired of being picked on.

Shane, if you are going to successfully "flame" me as you so dearly try and so often fail, you best learn to understand the meanings of the word you choose to pick on.  Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary describes Homophobic as someone who is either, afraid, extremely repulsed, and / or scared of Homosexuality.  I am homophobic in that it repulses me to think that two or more men may decide to engage in that hopocrisy... now if that makes me not wanting to take showers with men, uhh, yeah I GUESS YOUR RIGHT... I much prefer to take them with women... any day / night of the week.  If that is wrong, maybe you have some issues to deal with?  Sounds like it to me.

As for my virtual flying, Shane, this is a game, I really could care less whether I am first or last, I play it to unwind at the end of a long day spent working on the very things we play with in here.  So if you are better whoopee, I am so proud, be sure and put that on your transcript so you get a real world job that much quicker!!!  I bet your parents are extremely proud that you fly so well in here.  Mine were actually proud when I got my IA last year, but then again, being a virtual pilot extreme does have it's advantages!!!  

Any day, night, or eon you feel like you are man enough to mince words with me, have at it.   But at the very least, try and make a legitimate defense of yourself, instead of further solidifying my theories on you.  Better luck next life bingo.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Saurdaukar on November 23, 2002, 06:55:56 PM
Damn, you can stick a fork in that - its done.  :cool:
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Steve on November 23, 2002, 07:49:02 PM
Heheh, I bet you two could turn a Sunday morning church service into a pissing match.


btw...... you really shouldn't quote the dictionary like you are some sort of well read scholar then type " hopocrisy" in the very next sentence.  lol
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Shane on November 23, 2002, 08:06:37 PM
I'm laughing at you bodhi... laughing with undertones of pity.

sad little man. i think i see a meltdown in your future...  another one i mean.
Title: Language in the MA
Post by: Skuzzy on November 23, 2002, 08:07:56 PM
Well,..was wondering how long it would be before the thread degenerated to this level.