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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Ducati on November 21, 2002, 01:05:11 PM
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Hello Pilots,
I am brand new to AH (Just DL'd it last night) After hearing so much about it on other boards I thought I would finally give it a try.
Unfortunately I can't seem to get my CH equipment to work. I have (all USB) FighterStick, Pro throttle and Pro pedals. It seems that in the game it wants to default to the pedals as the primary controller :( . In set up it sees all the controllers, as I can manipulate all the axis numbers. Meaning when I move the throttle the numbers change. And the line graph shows them too. BUT, when I go to fly it only seems to want to use the pedals. I press the left foot forward it accelerates etc.
I tried mapping some of the buttons with the in game interface but either I am making a mistake or it doesn't see the controller. All have been checked and calibrated in WinXP interface and are working properly.
Needless to say I have not been able to get off the ground yet, so any help or advice will be appreciated. I am looking forward participaing in some of the things I have seen here and the greater variety of AC.
thanks
Duc
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Make sure you map the joystick axis -> the control axis.
Go ESCAPE, SETUP, JOYSTICK. From there you can map the various inputs to the relative AH controls (ie Fighterstick X Axis -> AH Roll, don't forget to click on set input).
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Well, I tried all that and it just reverts to using the flippin' pedals when I get in the plane. Joystick was manipulating the axis numbers as I moved it, clicked apply->ok. then went to AC and now the throttle worked to add power but it wanted to use the pedals for control again :mad:
I will try for another day or so to get this working then I am going to uninstall I think. Looks like a good time but I hate the hassle of getting this stuff to work like it should. Of course, it could just be me not clicking something I neeed to as well.
Thanks
Duc
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To select your joystick or other hardware device in Aces High, click on the Setup button on the clipboard, click on the Joystick button, then click on Select Joystick. This will bring up a separate dialog that will allow you to assign input to your different hardware devices.
Clicking on any item in the AH Control list box will highlight the Joystick Input associated with that control.
Set All Inputs and Set All Buttons are short cuts to set all input and/or buttons at once instead of individually. Set Input sets individual controls.
For example, if you wanted to set the control of the Throttle to the dial on your joystick, you would click on Throttle in the AH Controls list, click on your joystick in the Joystick list, and click on Dial in your Joystick Input list, then click the Set Input button.
That's off the AH web page , now just make sure u "set input" and then "apply" .
I use what you have but for the joystick , I have a ffb 2 , it all works in AH but you just have to set the bugger up in there first .
The buttons are the hardest but I have all mine working as directx , all 20 on the throttle and 8 on the stick . Plus the brakes on the pedals .
Don't give up yet , it really does work well just it's so new to you yet .
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Here's what mine looks like . I have high lighted the "rudder" control so that you can see what it looks like .
Hope this helps , I know a pic says a thousand words sometimes .
take care
spro
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send me an email at peterdavidwood@nospamyahoo.com
take the nospam out. I have the same rig an config, i'll send you the files and you can use it, to get you started.
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Try this, modify as needed:
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@Dingbat, you have mail :)
Tyro, I dl'd your attachment and then realized I don't know where I should unzip it. As I noted in my email to Dingbat, I can't get my buttons on my throttle to work so I am having to use just the buttons on my stick. Manageable but hardly ideal. I have heard some people saying they programme under DirectX but I have no experience with that, do you? Also I would love to use the mini-joystick on my throttle for looking around/tracking, is this possible? If so, how?
Thanks again for the help, greatly appreciated.
D
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send the file to a floppy, unzip it, then what I do is open control manager and drag the file there, just click the manila folder in the top left corner of control manager and drag the unzipped AH file there then all ya have to do is load it up.
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I still havent figured out how to use the mini-joystick
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Guess I should add for clarity, after the AH file is in the manila folder, double click on it, and then go to activate current map, I do it once for the j-stick the click on the throttle and activate it again and do the same for the pedals, it used to do this all in one fell swoop but somethin changed so I do all of em just to be sure.
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Ducati, got your message, I'm at work now but will send it when I get home.
Tyro, you have to map it to X and Y. I've found using it as a PAN stick works, but in my opinion I find it useless.
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Tyro, I tried your map and when I brought up control manager XP decided it needed to reinstall all the drivers for my "new" hardware. Go through that dance and into the game to see 4 CH devices listed:confused: Axis's seem to be registering so into an AC and................a couple of buttons on the throttle work but nothing else :mad: No rudder, no pitch/yaw, can't even get off the ground.
Any ideas? I'm confused. I don't think XP likes my HOTAS :rolleyes:
D
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Control Manager Go native, it feels better :)
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LOL:D OK, and how do I do that? And will her mother get mad? :p . What do I need to do to use the buttons on my throttle?
Thanks
D
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when you get into AH go to setup, then joystick at the top, once there select joystick, then click on roll , in the middle select combat stick ( or whatever your model is ) then at the right select x axis, then set input , then apply, then back to the left again select pitch, then to the middle, once again select combat stick, to the right again select y axis, drop down select set input, and again apply. Then you can select throttle, in the middle you highlight CH Pro Throttle, to the right you would select z axis, drop down set input, then again apply. For the Pro Pedals you start at the left and select rudder, in the middle highlight the Pro Pedals, at the right select z axis, drop down set input, and then apply. Back to the left select left brake, in the middle once again highlight Pro Pedals, at the right select x axis, drop down set input and apply, back at the left side right brake, then middle Pro Pedals, right side y axis, set input & apply, hopefully this should get all your USB equipment up and running, if you want to add more keyboard commands open CH manager on the left click on the program settings the go to the bottom right at mode control select Pro Throttle, then you can add the commands under mode 2 ot mode 3 to setup more aircraft inputs or you could use mode 3 for veh etc.
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Do you have control manager launch at start up? If you do Cease it's operations and unload and mappings. When you check game controllers you should have the actual controller names listed. IMHO CM is only good for legacy games (longbow 2, f-15 etc.). BTW chk mail, I sent you the config file. Below i pasted out of the help file (if you haven't DL it I shall tell her mother about you getting native :)
what's your call sign online?
To select your joystick or other hardware device in Aces High, click on the Setup button on the clipboard, click on the Joystick button, then click on Select Joystick. This will bring up a separate dialog that will allow you to assign input to your different hardware devices.
Clicking on any item in the AH Control list box will highlight the Joystick Input associated with that control.
Set All Inputs and Set All Buttons are short cuts to set all input and/or buttons at once instead of individually. Set Input sets individual controls.
For example, if you wanted to set the control of the Throttle to the dial on your joystick, you would click on Throttle in the AH Controls list, click on your joystick in the Joystick list, and click on Dial in your Joystick Input list, then click the Set Input button.
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Mapping directx buttons on throttle .
Ok I use the first eight buttons of AH for my ffb2 joystick , so for my ch throttle I have AH button 9 to Ch throttle button 0 , pic attached .
You then go down the list and do the rest . Same with the hats too , maping in AH the first and second hat , (second hat on throtte , first on you joystick )
Simple when you get the hang of it . The mini stick on throttle is not good in AH IMO .
gl
spro
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@ Dingbat, hey I saw you typing to me this evening and I tried to answer back but I guess you couldn't see my reply for some reason. Do you fly with Rooks, Knights or Bish? Right now I just fly with Rooks until I find a squad or something that requires me to change. My callsign is Raider12.
@airspro: I think I understand what you are getting at there. I am telling AH that these buttons will corespond to the numbers in AH rather than the numbers assigned by XP or CH programe correct? Then I basically say to AH "I want your button number 10 to have this action." IS that about it or am I off base there. Basically I am re-numbering the throttle buttons to what AH sees them as being right?
Thanks for the help
D
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Ducati, I fly Bish and you probably were typing in the country channel instead of the world channel.
Did you get my email?
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Ducati : Yep your right , don't use the ch control manger to map anything , the default at startup is all directx buttons .
"I want your button number 10 to have this action."
Right in PART , you tell AH to use your "button number 10 as "directx button ( whatever u chose )
THEN when that's all done you go to the AH to use your AH buttons for what ever you want .
Here's my example . I have my button the backside of my throttle , the one closest to the rear side hat mapped in AH as "button 10" as I told you about in the last post .
Now that's done I tell AH in the : setup > stickmapping > that I want AH to use "button 10" to "look up" in all FOUR sticksets :) . Pic attached .
I use the "look up" as a modifer on the main hat on my joystick to get the "45 views" when use together .
Keep at it , it's really not that hard when you get your feet under ya .
gl
spro
PS , btw I fly rook too
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throttle directx button in Microsoft joystick applet
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Here's a pic of the same button maped in AH at button 10 . Your's will be differant as I have a 8 button one hat joystick and you have more buttons on your combat stick .
As u see , button 0 in AH is really button 1 and 1 is button 2 etc .
All I can tell you this is the best damn working controler setup (AH) I have ever used to date let . I use all four of AH''s sticksetups too . One for fighters , bombers , gv's and one for just when I am trying to fly a figher shotup .
gl spro
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Thanks airspro, I think I am almost there ;) . I got the throttle to map keys but I seem to have some overlap of button numbers with the fighterstick. I have 16 buttons on the fighterstick and then starting with pushing in on the mini-joystick on the throttle as button 1 (as mapped when checked in windows DirectX properties) I have 15 buttons plus a hat switch. What I'm seeing is that one or two are not seen by AH. And I am thinking it may be that the 0 button is throwing me off. How should I set or reassign the numbering of the inputs, starting with what number, to get all my buttons mapped?
Sounds kind of stupid I know but I am just a little confused because the numbers don't really make sense to me. Hope you understand my question. I am understanding how to do this now thanks to your tips, thank you. Just need to get this sorted and then re-map all my functions to something a bit more logical, all weapons controls to one hat, flight controls like flaps and gear all to another etc. grouping like functions together.
Happy Thanksgiving and thanks for all the help.
D
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I always found it easier to use CH's map utility to map the key strokes to my buttons, rather than trying to figure out which number button is which in AH.
Secondary button is B (I think?), gears are G, flaps up is Q, clipboard is esc, etc.
Its much easier for me to handle. And making changes is a lot easier, if I want to try different button combinations.
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First I have attached a pic : AH only sees 32 buttons and two hats plus the other stuff , axis , rpm , etc . So lets do some math :)
You have 3 , 4 way hats on throttle plus 4 buttons , that's 16 buttons , and one POV .
On your stick you have 3 , 4 way hats and 3 buttons , that's as u say 15 buttons and one POV .
16 + 15 = 31
And AH sees 2 POV's so you have 1 left over after mapping ALL your buttons and hats in AH .
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Questions :
I got the throttle to map keys but I seem to have some overlap of button numbers with the fighterstick
Sounds like you have the throttle and stick mapped to the same button , easy way to check is to use the AH " stickmapping" to see what button is what directx input . Remember how my "button" 2 on my throttle is mapped in AH at button 10 .
2:I have 16 buttons on the fighterstick
No you don't , you have 15 buttons and one POV , check again . This might be the problem .
3:then starting with pushing in on the mini-joystick on the throttle as button 1
Yep this is button 1 in windows but not in AH , it is "button 0" in the RIGHT hand box in "Joystick inputs"
Yep this is were you got it mixed up , "button 0" on the stick is were you start off . What I do is start on the joystick and button 0 on stick is AH button 1 , then button 1 is AH button 2 , button 3 is AH button 4 , etc . , after I get the stick done I started with the mini stick pushing it in = button 0 is ( one AH button more than were I left off of the joystick )
Happy Thanksgiving to you also , and NP with the help , alot of nice players have helped me in this game and I just like to give a little back .
Will post a pic of how I have my throttle setup .
cheers
spro
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I use the second pov ( the one on the throttle ) as a 4 way switch . Well I use it alittle more now I guess , more later .
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I use a FFB 2 Microsoft joystick and only use the 4 top buttons and POV on it , all the other stuff is on CH wonderfull throttle .
Here's how I have my throttle mapped , the hats and buttons I numbered on the pic , and 4 way hats will be explaned as so :
up
down
forward
back
OK hat 1 :
up = auto climb
down = auto angle
forward = gear up
back = engine
hat2 : the POV hat
up = flap up
down = flap down
forward = zoom
back = wep
up 45 degs ahead is = look front down
hat3 :
up = map bigger
down = map smaller
forward = auto level
back = icon toggle
hat4 :
up = trim elev up
down = trim elev down
forward = zoom bigger
back = zoom smaller
button 5 = vox range channel
button 6 = vox squad channel
button 7 = look up view
and pushing in the mini stick , which does NOT work v good is = toggle message window size
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No my joystick I have the POV , fire both guns , clipboard , fire secondary , and combat trim .
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Airspro!!!!
Just got my CH Pro throttle bundled with IL2 Sturmovik from FEDEX this afternoon and let me tell you I think the thing is crappy:mad: ....UNTIL I READ your posts....I then thought it was still crappy:mad: ....UNTIL I RE-READ your posts CAREFULLY~~~!!!!!!:D
Once I really read them and started looking intently at the pics WHAMO!!!!!! It instantly Hit on what I was doing wrongl. Havent gotten it on line yet still tweaking the setups!:D
All I have to say is THANK YOU TREMENDOUSLY for taking the time out to help...not me specifically cuz you were helping someone else out but I glommed onto those pearls of wisdom and now I am back in the AIR!!!!!!!:D
Good thing I tested the beast out off line because when the roll is mapped as the throttle on the CH Pro it gets a bit messy so to speak!
I may have some more questions on setup for you later so if you dont mind helping a fellow Rook and AH addict out Id appreciate it!
Again thanks for the time and help!
:D
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guttboy,
Where did you order your CH throttle?
DJ229
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The cheapest I found was at PROVANTAGE.....
http://www.provantage.com
Easy website....I got the bundled IL2 Sturmovik and the USB throttle for 118.55 plus shipping.
good luck
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Also,
I have got it all mapped out and LOVE IT!!!!!!!
Was using a MS Strategic commander for my buttons in addition to the MS FF2 and WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!!!!!
ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE THROTTLE!:D
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guttboy,
Thanks for the link, but they wanted $50 to ship pedals or $38 for throttle to Hawaii. Guess I will wait till Chips n Bit have em in stock, as they ship Priority mail.
DJ229
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Glad to hear it helped you . I have this forum post saved so that I won't have to do it again ever , just point them to this post , that's why I did so much more than maybe I had to so that it would make sense one way or the other , hehe .
U now know for sure that " A pic says a thousand words" . :)
DAVENRINO : I just ordered one for a bud from amazon.com , link below , they were 111.95 with free shipping ( free to me at least)
I use to buy my Ch Products at http://www.buy.com and it was the cheapest but not this time with cause no free shipping .
Guttboy that's a good price if you wanted that game . I know it sells for 40 bucks yet so u got a good deal IMO .
Amazon throttle link (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006B84Z/qid=1039037442/sr=8-9/ref=sr_8_9/102-3062926-2906526?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846)
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Yeah Airspro,
I really wanted the game so it was good to get it...getting it running right is another question.
The throttle is amazing!!
I cant imagine ever flying without one before! I have several changes to your stick setup however.
The biggest is that I use the minijoystick hat button as my gear button. I inadvertantly hit gear with the wayyou had it set up so that was kinda nasty!
Well gotta run HIGHLY RECC THIS TO ANYONE!!!!!!!
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Airspro,
Thanks for the link. Surprisingly, shipping was free to Hawaii and its otw (prolly by slow Cinese junk).
Dave aka DJ229
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Mine just came Wed night , was three days . Let us know will ya how long it takes ???
prolly by slow Cinese junk
hehe , hope not :)
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Well guys,
After flying with this throttle for a few days now here is an update:
INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME!!!!!!!!
:D
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Airspro,
Amazon estimated 16-19 days for delivery so I cancelled. i went to Buy.com and got rudders and throttle each for about $114 delivered by 2 day air which means 3 days to Hawaii. Thanks for the great post on setup as I will be using a FF2 stick with them.
Dave aka DJ229
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Cool .
Have fun ,
spro
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AIRSPRO,
Thanks for the help with setup. It works great and I love it!
Dave aka DJ229
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Yep a pic says a thousand words :)
Man nice desk , in fact the window it open and here it's 18 degs this morning , woo hoo good for u .
Glad you like that I know I do .
Have not been on AH much my bud from work bought me CRACK in the form of Dark age of Camelot , grrrrr . It's habit forming , hehe .
take care
spro
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HeHe,
All windows open, ceiling fans on, and only the usual home apparel - only a light pair of shorts. It is Paradise after all.
DJ229;)
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punt
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Dis game use de throttle gut too , works nice dat Ch stuff :D
Only use keyboard to chat , dat gut , v gut indeed .
http://www.me109.net/forumabbeville/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=508
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punt
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bump
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Airspro, just wanted to say thanks, and to the rest who aided this thread. I was grounded for several days and then Daverino pointed this thread out to me. Spent some time going over it and I am in the virtual skys again. :)