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Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 22, 2002, 08:46:29 AM
I was in need of a change of scene, so attended a four day Bridge course at Bourton-on-the-Water, Glos. Yep, it’s not a game you can learn in an hour or two, and has a very steep learning curve. We had 8 people on the course, with 2 trainers. I made the following observations. And, in the time honoured tradition of saving the best till last:
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: lazs2 on November 22, 2002, 09:03:02 AM
Is the british bridge better than the American one?
lazs

more guns=less crime depends on whos finger is on the trigger... wouldn't you rather it be yours?

if you would listen to the british home office on american gun rights then you would probly go to a british dentist.
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: lord dolf vader on November 22, 2002, 10:34:49 AM
ohh i get it they just want teeth that work ( unlike alot of lower class people here in the states that get NO dental care whos teeth just rot ) remeber this board is not representative of the average american.

also

livin in south east texas i can think of several good men who would still be here except for guns around when they shouldent have been.

i have a friendwho is a texas ranger he lived across the hall in the fraturnity house . so far he has shot himself twice on accident. damn near shot me also and i consider him a good guy ( with a mistaken belief in safetys). guns are a fickle thing to an adult well educated  well trained man ( didnt say woman) of even temperment. a rifle scares me no more than a pocket knife. anything less than that and its a matter of time.

a whole country full of people without the lifetime of training in arms for hunting/utilitarian use  as ours is becomming and alot of innocent people are gonna die.

And i firmly believe in the right to bear arms ( tho pistols in my mind arent protected by this)
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: popeye on November 22, 2002, 10:49:51 AM
8.5 for the quickest hijack.  5.0 for content.
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: texace on November 22, 2002, 12:07:33 PM
I never understood Bridge, or even how to play the game. I was reading a story in which a woman killed her husband over a Bridge game, and the terms and rules used I couldn't understand.

How the hell do you play Bridge, anyways?
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 22, 2002, 01:23:57 PM
texace - to try to explain how to play Bridge here would require a post 1000 times longer than my normal post. It's basically a card game with 4 people. Each gets 13 cards dealt out. You have to play the cards in such a way as to win tricks. The pair with the best hands "bid" the number of tricks they think they can win based on the cards they have. They score lots of points if they make it and lose points if they don't.

Lazs - as far as I know, the game is the same. But it's an English game. However, much of the game is focuses on the bidding, and there are many different methods of bidding. The most common one in Britain is ACOL, but there are others. And America has its own bidding system. The American game also has one subtle difference: If your partner makes a mistake which causes you to lose the contract, you get to shoot your partner with a .44 Magnum. Unfortunately, this means that the evening's Bridge session must come to a close, as 4 people are needed for the game to be played.
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: midnight Target on November 22, 2002, 02:44:53 PM
here you go texace

http://www.pagat.com/boston/bridge.html#rubber
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: lazs2 on November 22, 2002, 03:14:50 PM
wow vader... if all of us new a few good men who aren't here because of guns then we would have about what.... 600,000,000 homicides in the last ten years or so?  I know of a few good men who are here because there was a gun around.    The guy down the street has fallen off a ladder... cut his fingers off with a skillsaw and... his house just caught on fire last year after he rewired the garage.   Some people huh?   lucky for us that gun owners are more safety consious than most other people with their hobbies/tools whatever.

and beetle.. again.. the American version sounds superior.   Any excuse to get out of a bridge game is good enough for me.
lazs
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on November 22, 2002, 04:01:34 PM
I'm gonna learn that when i make it to 60
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: Toad on November 22, 2002, 05:40:15 PM
Hey, Beet1e! Do you have a book giving the rules of AH?

I have played bridge and actually earned a point in a tourney I think. Way back in my long ago. I had a book on bridge to study prior to that of course. I think it may have been Hoyle's.

So, anyway....... where can I find these rules of AH so I can learn to play the way you want me to play?

I went out on that 10 day hunting trip and never did get a chance to rebut you last in the gun thread.

But I find these continual pleas to "play the right way" are characteristic of those who want to control the way others think and behave. First post of yours that I read was a diatribe about playing AH right. Next thread is the "ban all evil guns and be like us" diatribe. Now you're comparing bridge to  AH? There's a "rolleyes" if ever I saw one.
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 22, 2002, 06:57:31 PM
Toad!  So glad to have you back! It has been dull without you.

I'm afraid you may have misunderstood my posting. Indeed, I had to double check the forum to which I had posted it. You see, my thread was not about Aces High, but about a recent Bridge course in Glos. It had nothing to do with Aces High, hence my reasons for posting it in the Off Topic Forum. :) :)
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: Toad on November 22, 2002, 07:01:39 PM
So you're saying your first post made no direct or indirect comparisons to the way folks play AH?
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 23, 2002, 03:58:32 AM
Mr. Toad. :)  
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So you're saying your first post made no direct or indirect comparisons to the way folks play AH?
I'm not saying anything. I described my Bridge course. You are free to make your own inferences. I was surprised at your interpretation, in which you thought I was comparing Bridge with Aces High. They are both games, but totally different. In my original post, I made no mention of Aces High, and yet you thought I was making a comparison between the two games. Perhaps it is you who sees some similarity between Aces High and Bridge, based on what I said in my post. And as you said...
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Now you're comparing bridge to AH? There's a "rolleyes" if ever I saw one.  :rolleyes:
May I ask you what it was, in particular, which made you think I was comparing Bridge with Aces High ??? :confused:

            :p:D:p
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: bounder on November 23, 2002, 05:39:34 AM
Beet1e:

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Because no-one glorified in winning individual tricks, there was no-one to denounce anyone else as a “strat potato”, “fluffer”, or “dildo worshipper”.


Of course your Bridge post is an implicit comparison to AH. You describe what you did in terms of what didn't happen, and what you describe as not happening is all part of the daily grind on AH (gangbangin, "cheating", whining) so you should really be honest with Mr Toad and admit that you were making a comparison.

Of course if you *really* weren't making a comparison, then your post was a masterwork of freudian slips, reflecting your anxieties and hangups about AH, becuase it sure as hell looks like a comparison to me.

BTW bridge is a great game, second only to Poker.
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 23, 2002, 05:57:40 AM
Bounder!  Nope. Maybe I spoke in AH parlance, because that's what most people here will understand. Words like Dweeb etc. People don't use that vernacular at a Bridge table, as you and I well know. So you can't expect me to use a different vernacular to describe the abuse that takes place at a Bridge table, because there isn't any abuse to begin with!

Nice post, and thanks for the punt, but I'm sure Mr. Toad is quite capable of looking after himself. :D
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: Toad on November 23, 2002, 05:58:57 AM
Well, if you choose to be disingenuous, enjoy your discussion with yourself.  :p
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: Nash on November 23, 2002, 07:11:35 AM
Yup I'm with Toad.

Either stand by your (obvious) comparison, or it's dead in the water.

(Too bad actually, it mighta been an interesting post about bridge isntead of having to make some kind of point).
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 23, 2002, 08:48:54 AM
Mr. Toad, Bounder and Nash -

You should have had the good sense that Lazs had. He poked his nose around the door, but quietly left (after mounting his usual hobby horse about British dentistry). But you guys went further. Nash is now saying that my original post is an obvious comparison with Aces High. But I never said a word about Aces High. I simply pontificated about my Bridge course. :D I used some vernacular which *may* have been used in Aces High, but such vernacular is used elsewhere and in other flight sims, and is not exclusive to Aces High.

Gentlemen, I don't disagree that a comparison has been made between Bridge and Aces High. But that comparison was made not by me, but by you.
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: lazs2 on November 23, 2002, 09:45:32 AM
hobby horse... LOL... look at your sig beetle.   you are getting to be a joke.   I realize that being on the wrong side of everything forces you to be a tiny bit obtuse and verbose but.... wouldn't it be easier to simply not voice your opinions around people who can reason?   If all you are trying to do is make yourself look like a pompous control freak then... I'm wrong... you are doing well.

Lazs
Public Relations Officer for the Bk's
originator of the terms "strat potato" 'fluffers" "sky accountants" "building battlers" "dildo worshipers" and... so many more descriptive terms.

Lazs who's entire posts are usually shorter than beetles sigs.
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 23, 2002, 11:15:06 AM
Lazs!  hehe, now this will be very hard to believe, but this morning I did receive a very nice email from America written by a guy who agrees 100% with the purple text of my sig. A very nice chap he is too. That's all I'm saying. I never quote people without permission, except for using descriptive terms which have entered a vernacular.

So Lazs, your remarks were way off. You would be surprised at the friendships I have made on this and other boards, despite my perceived pomposity. Let's see now, I have drawn flak from how many people here - 3 or 4? Out of an AH subscribership of many thousands. What you don't see is the people who approach me behind the scenes, and who say things like "you were spot on in your post/sig". And I'm not about to reveal their emails or their identities.

The thing is, Lazs, that I don't mind standing up to be counted in the face of adversity. I will say what I believe, regardless of how many or how few are likely to agree. Different though the US and Britain are, they are both still democracies. People are allowed to say what they think of Tony Blair or George Bush. But you seem to be suggesting that I should shut up - for no other reason than the fact that it might suit some people, yourself included. Sure, if I lived in Iraq or pre-liberation Afghanistan, that would be sound advice. But it seems strange, coming from you, who has always been keen to champion the freedoms enjoyed by America. You're like those people who claim that "this is a US BBS"...

...oh yeah, I get it - freedom and democracy - when it suits. :rolleyes:
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: hardcase on November 23, 2002, 02:11:03 PM
Bidding has mechanisms to almost tell your partner what is in your hand. Diff cards and distributions have value...Ace=4, king=3 queen 2 Jack 1. Voids are worth the same as an Ace, Long suits are worth more than just the value of the cards.

Bidding and making your game gives you points
Suits have hierarchy.. Spades, Hearts are Major Suits
Clubs Diamonds are minor suits..

Making "game" gets you more points than just bidding lower than the suits game trick taking amount

the bidding is based on taking 6 tricks plus what you bid.
Taking 4 tricks in Majors
Taking 5 tricks in Minors
Taking 3 tricks in No Trump make "game"

Being doubled and losing cost more points than not being doubled
ReDouble is where you override a double thinking you will make your bid. If so, more points,  if not even more loss than double.


Bidding and playing are two equally important   parts of the game.


By bidding your and your partner can infer the value of your cards and the lenght and suits of your hard. You can infer strengths and weaknesses in your opponents hand from the bidding or lack of bidding,  they can do the same.

HC
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: hardcase on November 23, 2002, 02:13:35 PM
about your sig..

when guns became prevalent and easy to use, Europe was civilized. The Americas were frontier. Guns made the the settling of america posible. There are still places in the west were help from the police etc can be hours away. Guns were and are still a necessary part of americana.

hc
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 23, 2002, 02:56:21 PM
Hardcase - tnx for your excellent post. :)
Yep, they taught us that "length=strength" in a suit. I must have missed the part about voids being worth the same as an ace - 4 points - but it makes perfect sense. Can you explain the business about being vulnerable and non-vulnerable? I guess the person at the end of the .44 Magnum is vulnerable, but that was just a joke with Lazs. We never got on to vulnerability, did not discuss finessing, and did not cover the doubling/redoubling bids. We did get on to the Red-X bid, because my partner had a balanced hand with strength in all suits but no dominant suit - a 4-3-3-3 hand - we ended up playing in NT. I had 6 hearts but could not bid them because the rest of my hand was too weak - 6 points. So the board was replayed on the other table using the Red-X bid, final bid was 4 hearts.

Bloody fascinating game.

HC, I accept your point of view about guns. And certainly, where my girlfriend Tomato comes from, I would consider being armed in remote areas as essential. It's the handgun proliferation in America that is wrong. Weapons of convenience. Saturday Night Specials in every apartment. :rolleyes: :( Being allowed to have a gun, but not heroin or cocaine....:confused:
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: hardcase on November 23, 2002, 03:02:10 PM
I only played tournament bridge where vulnerablity was automated depending on which "board" you are playing. I belive it somehow rotates ..east west..north south..neither..not sure if both can be vulnerable. My understading is that it alters the value of gameplay. Sometimes taking a sacrificec is better than letting the others make game. etc. Overtricks in casual play usually aren't worth risking taking game, but in tournament, overtricks make the differencec between winning a hand and losing. One table makes four hears with no overtrick..next table makes 4 hears with one overtrick..they win the board. I havent played in years but it was always a good way to spend an evening. Knowing how to play can get you into many places. Gates even plays.

BTW ..voids are valuble ONLY if you are not playing No Trumps. So many variations in that game.

HC
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: lazs2 on November 23, 2002, 07:29:26 PM
beetle, i am not asking you to shut up..  fact is..

I am not the least surprised that at least one.... possibly even more... American(s) out of allmost 300,000,000 agree with your sig.   I doubt that even one would agree that it was not getting a little old and that it had been refuted enough to make it somewhat embarassing.  I am surprised that you can't see how you look by repeating over and over a sig that is missleading and in one instance just plain dumb.   I am surprised that you can't see that a lecture about American firearms from a brit  would be viewed less than seriously especially given one is a lecture from "the home office"... certainly not my home tho eh?

you may find this hard to believe but... I find plenty of people to agree with me.. this is not too odd tho considering that according to polls more than 80% of Americans believe in the second amendment.   They did not poll british citizens because frankly.... after you have voiced your opinion... you are no longer interesting... your lack of understanding makes you seem a buffoon.... one or two emails from insecure nail biters who don't have the courage to voice their own opinion should not be construed by you to mean that you have some sort of consensous or that your view is new and interesting...  Some sort of reasoned revelation that the rest of us had somehow missed the first dozen times you posted it...  So again...

no one here cares what the "home office" thinks about what happens in the U.S.   Everyone is well aware of the obvious slant and missleading "facts"..   I mean... we don't have 15 times as many murders we just use different weapons than you.   We also have different people...  

as for pointing guns..  when the gun pointing starts I have allways found that I felt much better about it if I could point one back.   People overreact... a serial rapist or killer goes on a rampage and everyone goes out and buys a gun.. probly a little ineffectual against that situation but.... between 1-3 million crimes are stopped woith guins every year..

england could sure do with some crime stopping of it's own it would seem but... I don't go on about how you guys are blowing it with your effeminate and unreasonable fear of firearms... I could show... by comparing how many crimes are prevented in the U.S. compared to how many are prevented in the uk by firearms, that you are causing needless suffering and crime with your hysterical and unreasonable fear of firearms.  but why bother..  It's your country and you are probly used to the crime anyway.   I bet yours get's a lot worse before it get's better.  wanna bet?

lazs
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: SaburoS on November 23, 2002, 07:35:07 PM
beet1e,
Being this is a BBS for AH players, I found your entertaining comparisons of bridge to AH.
However it is a comparison of apples to oranges.

**********

I can understand your perception of your somewhat non-gun culture England to our somewhat pro-gun culture USA.
Understand that the chances of getting shot at in the US is far less than what you perceive it to be. I have never been shot at or ever had a gun pointed at me. In 4 occasions in my life I've had to point my firearm at individuals to prevent violence. They decided it was better to stop and leave rather than getting shot. I used my firearm to prevent violence and no one got hurt. Had I not had a firearm at those times, I probably would be injured, or killed. In a couple of instances I would of lost my valuables also. The police would have not been able to save me in those instances.
I have been shooting off and on for over 33 of my 40 years. I am a good shot at both pistol and rifle. I was on my high school rifle team (had to qualify as US Army expert to get on the team). My present firearms include:
1) SigSauer P220-45 (tritium night sights) w/ Barstow stainless comp barrel.
2) SigSauer P230 in .380
3) Remington 700 PSS .308 barrel has been Cryomaxed and will shoot down to 1/4" center to center 3-shot groups with factory match ammo at 100 meters.
4) L1A1 that has been legally modified (meets both Federal and California laws), will shoot down to 1" center to center 3-shot groups with factory match ammo at 100 meters.
I don't go around waiting to shoot at people. I've never shot anyone. Neither has any of my friends. Actually I've known several cops and none of them has actually shot anyone (San Francisco, Burlingame, San Mateo, San Bruno, Belmont).
I own my guns mainly for target shooting. Self defense is a secondary reason for me. Peace of mind. Am I for private ownership of firearms here in the US? Damn straight.
Am I for England to pass and keep whatever gun restriction laws they wish to for English citizens? Yes sir.
Regards.
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: Urchin on November 23, 2002, 09:00:29 PM
I always thought that Tomato was yer cat?  She's your girlfriend?  Or is she both?  :confused:
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 24, 2002, 05:53:18 AM
Lazs - this is not a guns thread. You are off topic in the off topic forum! The sig. stays. Get over it. We did guns to death in the other threads.

Saburo -
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Being this is a BBS for AH players, I found your entertaining comparisons of bridge to AH.
However it is a comparison of apples to oranges.
Excuse me? I'm not talking about Aces High, hence my choice of forum for this thread. I was talking about Bridge. Aces High and Bridge are two totally different games. So what was it that made you think I was making a comparison between the two?  Once again, if any comparison is being made, that comparison is being made not by me, but by you. Face it, Sab - you walked right into that one. :D
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: lazs2 on November 24, 2002, 10:03:46 AM
beetle... your sig is part of your post.  If you don't want a part of your post being discussed then maybe you should leave it out?  but then.... I don't really know the posting rules.   Perhaps you could enlighten me?   I would hate to be breaking any rules.

oh... and saburo pretty much voices the opinions of American gun owners.
lazs

"england could sure do with some crime stopping of it's own it would seem but... I don't go on about how you guys are blowing it with your effeminate and unreasonable fear of firearms... I could show... by comparing how many crimes are prevented in the U.S. compared to how many are prevented in the uk by firearms, that you are causing needless suffering and crime with your hysterical and unreasonable fear of firearms. but why bother.. It's your country and you are probly used to the crime anyway. I bet yours get's a lot worse before it get's better. wanna bet?
lazs"

"I can understand your perception of your somewhat non-gun culture England to our somewhat pro-gun culture USA.
Understand that the chances of getting shot at in the US is far less than what you perceive it to be. I have never been shot at or ever had a gun pointed at me. In 4 occasions in my life I've had to point my firearm at individuals to prevent violence. They decided it was better to stop and leave rather than getting shot. I used my firearm to prevent violence and no one got hurt. Had I not had a firearm at those times, I probably would be injured, or killed. In a couple of instances I would of lost my valuables also. The police would have not been able to save me in those instances.
I have been shooting off and on for over 33 of my 40 years. I am a good shot at both pistol and rifle. I was on my high school rifle team (had to qualify as US Army expert to get on the team). My present firearms include:
1) SigSauer P220-45 (tritium night sights) w/ Barstow stainless comp barrel.
2) SigSauer P230 in .380
3) Remington 700 PSS .308 barrel has been Cryomaxed and will shoot down to 1/4" center to center 3-shot groups with factory match ammo at 100 meters.
4) L1A1 that has been legally modified (meets both Federal and California laws), will shoot down to 1" center to center 3-shot groups with factory match ammo at 100 meters.
I don't go around waiting to shoot at people. I've never shot anyone. Neither has any of my friends. Actually I've known several cops and none of them has actually shot anyone (San Francisco, Burlingame, San Mateo, San Bruno, Belmont).
I own my guns mainly for target shooting. Self defense is a secondary reason for me. Peace of mind. Am I for private ownership of firearms here in the US? Damn straight.
Am I for England to pass and keep whatever gun restriction laws they wish to for English citizens? Yes sir.
Regards. "
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: NUKE on November 24, 2002, 10:12:01 AM
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Lazs - this is not a guns thread. You are off topic in the off topic forum! The sig. stays. Get over it. We did guns to death in the other threads.


Actually Beet1e, you sig makes all your posts open for gun discussion by default.

I personally like the sig, makes you look like you desperatley need a soapbox for your views.
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 24, 2002, 10:18:24 AM
LOL Nuke! Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to calculate the AVERAGE number of people who agree versus disagree with my sig. You know all about averages, don't you? :p
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: NUKE on November 24, 2002, 10:34:43 AM
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You know all about averages, don't you?



Such as:

Scotland's murder rate per 100,000 was 14.26 in 1998

England/Wales murder rate per 100k was 2.75 in 1998

so, 14.26 + 2.75 = 17.01

17.01/2 = 8.505

8.505 was the average murder rate per 100,000 between Scotland and England-Wales in 1998

Does it matter to you how people are murdered, or is it just guns you are concerned about?

Didn't your current gun laws stem from a Scot going into a school and shooting 5 kids and the teacher? Maybe if the teacher had a gun, 5 kids would be alive today.

I bet if you had a law that made going into a school with a gun illegal, that could have been prevented.

I'd rather have the option of being armed rather than be just a target for any idoiot with an intent to harm me with an "illegal" gun , knife, car, bat, etc


Laws prevent all crime, so why not make all crime illegal and be 100% safe?
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 24, 2002, 01:34:49 PM
NUKE.

Your figures are incorrect. The correct figures are shown below.
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: gatso on November 24, 2002, 06:20:25 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE:
Such as: loadofGuff blahblahblahblahwrongwronwron gwrong


:eek: Not again!

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764554239.01._PE30_PI_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg)

Gatso
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: Thrawn on November 24, 2002, 06:24:34 PM
Hmmm, speaking of statistics.  American men on average have sex more often, longer, and with a greater number of partners then English men.  American women also score their men higher, when it comes to sexual ability, then English women do thier men.  I think some people would be better served by taking care of business at home, before pointing fingers elsewhere.  :D
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: gatso on November 24, 2002, 06:38:32 PM
I would double check that Thrawn, NUKE may have done the figures.

Gatso
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: SaburoS on November 25, 2002, 01:36:39 AM
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Originally posted by beet1e
Saburo -  Excuse me? I'm not talking about Aces High, hence my choice of forum for this thread. I was talking about Bridge. Aces High and Bridge are two totally different games. So what was it that made you think I was making a comparison between the two?  Once again, if any comparison is being made, that comparison is being made not by me, but by you. Face it, Sab - you walked right into that one. :D


I actually found what could be interpreted as references to AH for practically all your reasons. I found it entertaining. Do I believe that you are actually talking about your or my personal experiences of AH? No, I do not. Do I believe that you are refering to AH situations and/or comments that you might have read/heard about? Yes, I do.
For your benefit I'll give you my interpretation as I see them (since you asked):

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Despite the fact that our environment was in effect a “training arena”, the trainers went to great lengths to give instruction and helpful advice, instead of whupping our arses to show off their own Bridge playing prowess.


I don't visit the AH Training arena but it seems that some trainers might have a tendency to shoot down "newbies" for the sake of proving how good they are rather than the actual training benefit the newbie could actually receive.

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Most of us had to play slowly at first, and many mistakes were made in the learning process. Despite this, no-one called anyone else a dweeb or a wuss. There was no abuse of any kind, and people remained courteous to eachother.


LOL, this I have seen sometimes. Some ( a minority IMHO) seem to take this game a bit too serious and seem to lack the patience for new players to learn. Some of us forget the learning curve we had to go through to get where we are.

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There was no ganging up on any individual player, and there were no incidences of one player trying to cover himself in glory by making it on his own. We learned that Bridge is very much a partnership game.


LOL, ganging is part of the tactical game. Bring your superior #s forces to shoot down the other side. Allows a big advantage on taking over bases.
There are those that also enjoy 'lone wolfing it' to get in some good fights against superior #s. Having a lot of different players will yield different play styles, skills, tactics, and maturity. That's the life of MMOG.

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There was no cheating. No-one tried to see his opponents’ cards, and no-one looked over anyone’s shoulder then to whisper in his opponents’ ears.


Although I haven't witnessed it first hand, There might be those that do jump to the other side to check out what the 'other' side is doing, etc.
I find people who would cheat here, would probably be likely to cheat at golf, solitaire, or any game that has rules based on honor.

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Throughout the course, we were taught that the objective was to win the GAME in a series of individual hands or deals. Thus, no-one sought satisfaction from winning individual tricks, as we all kept the overall objective in mind – winning the hand and making Game.


Seems you are taking a stab against those in AH that wish to play for the dogfight only and not care what bases were taken or who would win the reset.

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Because no-one glorified in winning individual tricks, there was no-one to denounce anyone else as a “strat potato”, “fluffer”, or “dildo worshipper”.


LOL, do I need to elaborate?

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Practice hands were set up by the trainers, but we also had random deals. We did not have players turning the cards face up so they could grab all the Kings and Aces.
No-one ever suggested mixing the best cards from multiple packs so that everyone could have Aces, Kings, Queens and Jacks.


Nikis, Spits, and La7s, oh my!

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When a hand was dealt, people accepted what they were dealt. The game target in Bridge is in proportion to the strength of the hands dealt. All of us had a crap hand from time to time, but no-one went ”Waaaaaah, all these low cards have so many spots it makes my hand look like a Pizza. Waaaaaaahhhhh, I want a hand with all Aces Kings and Queens”


Refering to the complaints by some of the Pizza map?

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Whenever I made the highest bid such that my partner was “Dummy”, I distinctly remember my partner remaining at the table to help me, instead of going in search of more “fun” at the other table.


Could it possibly be that you were trying to help someone else take over a base, but failed to bomb the target or drop the troops correctly, that the player you were playing with got frustrated and went to play in another area of the map?

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Each person had paid approximately £200 for this residential course. But no-one suggested that the rules of play should be modified to suit himself on account of the fact that having paid £200 to be on the course he was entitled to play Bridge any way he liked.


Looks to be a stab at those that claim that they can fly however they want since it is their $14.95/month (BTW, they are right ;) )

That's why I said you were comparing apples to oranges. I also found your comparisons entertaining :) .

BTW, if someone opens a big door to something that looks interesting, I'll walk in everytime ;) .

Regards
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: beet1e on November 25, 2002, 02:19:38 AM
LOL Sab!  How long did it take you to type all that?
You can interpret my threads any way you want. :D
Title: Learning to Play Bridge
Post by: SaburoS on November 25, 2002, 02:30:04 AM
Hehe, Cheers S!
:D