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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: crowMAW on November 22, 2002, 09:06:51 AM
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Funked...you gotta see this!:eek:
WRX vs LS1 Camero
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=279067
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Sheesh, my kids bicycle could beat that.
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Originally posted by weazel
Sheesh, my kids bicycle could beat that.
You shouldn't let your kids play with Hayabusa engined bicycles you know. ;)
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I have a kid at work who bought a 5.0 mustang coup and thinks its a cobra. So hes taking off all the stuff on the body so people think its a cobra and he tryes to race everyone. My 68 falcon wooped his arse the first week he bought the car to work.
I have no respect for idiots who buy mustangs and Cammaros and think there hot sh{i}t becasuse of the name.
If you want a fast cammaro then buy a 69 cammaro.
Drag racers have very small noodlees.
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12.91 ain't too shabby though for a wrx.
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If you want a fast cammaro then buy a 69 cammaro.
Hahahaha now that I'm off the floor, why don't you drive your 69 Cam(m)aro up here and I'll go grab my old ride, a 99 SS w/Supercharger a la vortec, etc, that runs in the high 10's and we'll see what's what.
Every person I know that bought the "idiotic Mustangs and Camaro's" had and has the ability to mod them up themselves, and for a lot less money then what the Azn cars will cost you, you can get into the 11 second range. 3500$ supercharger, a chip, a bit of bottom and top end work, and BAM, instant 480 HP, plus the car is still driveable as a milk getter.
Don't see what the problem is with that. Don't paint all of us with the same brush just because some kid at your work is a handsomehunk.
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Nice link. :)
Actually mods on the WRX are pretty cheap, because it's all about more boost. The WRX doesn't need as much hp to run a good ET because of the AWD system. Stock is somewhere between 14.5 and 14.1. A $50 boost controller will get you low 13's, and ~$1000 on intake and exhaust gets you into the 12's. If you start messing with turbos and intercoolers and water injection and fuel injectors and ECU's you can run 10's. Some maniac in Australia has one that runs 9's. But I think the modded WRX's are more likely to explode than the modded muscle cars. IMHO 227 hp from 2.0l is risky enough. Drivetrain is not a reliability issue though, because STi and other companies make full-race dogboxes and differentials that you can swap in and out for the stock units.
I'm not really into drag racing though. Where the WRX really shines is on a twisty bumpy road with maybe a little moisture. Then WRX will say "adios" to the bloated Detroit whales. :)
I'd be interested to see what kind of 1/4 mile times the WRC version would run. They are limited to about 300 hp (restrictor plate) but they have 500+ lb-ft and are very light.
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Originally posted by funkedup
I'm not really into drag racing though. Pretty moronic sport. Where the WRX really shines is on a twisty bumpy road with maybe a little moisture. Then WRX will say "adios" to the bloated Detroit whales. :)
Only due to the ugliness, it scares them the other direction :D I think the Pontiac Aztec was WRX's mother.
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Hehehe THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!!! :)
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:p
(http://www.raf303.org/funked/242496.jpg)
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Heheheh, you bastard! Good thing I'm at work with a T1 line...or I'da waited all evening for that pic to show up on my 56k modem at home :mad:
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I've seen so many times where teens and classmates who drive the Mustangs and Cameros think they're hot stuff, when they really aren't.
A few weeks ago, we had a student who has just bought a brand new Mustang 5.0. Within two weeks, he had the thing modded so much that it looked like a friggin rally racer, but under the hood was a different story. Though he had a fart pipe on the back, the engine had ben tweeked wrong. Me and a few friends were listening to him talk about how fast his car was, and my best friend told me to challenge him. So I did. Being the jock he was, he accepted and was bragging on how bad he'd beat me.
We drove out to Kennedale that Satruday. There, there is a racetrack where mod cars are allowed to drag race if they paid a fee to enter. We paid our fees and waited, him in his heavily modded 2002 Mustang, and me in my stock 1986 Honda Prelude. Many kids were gathered around, waiting to watch me lose.
When our turn came up, we took our positions on the line. He revved his motor as the Christams tree was being reset. It no longer sounded like a Mustang, but a bad rice rocket. Anyways, the lights falshed, the engine revved, and on the green light we were off.
I don't think I've seen a dick shrink so fast. My little import tore up his domestic POS by about 1.5 seconds. SO it's not surprising that a Subaru could beat any American cars. Most imports do.
:D:D:D:D
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Don't see what the problem is with that. Don't paint all of us with the same brush just because some kid at your work is a handsomehunk.
I didnt mean everyone just the handsomehunk kids who buy cars just for the name and think there faster then anyone when there car is stock.
The guy who lives next to me has a 1969 roadrunner that runs 9's if he hits all the gears right.
Drag racing is not my cup of tea.
The way i see it is: If you sup up your car then you pretty much got nothin in your pants.
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Originally posted by Chaos68
The way i see it is: If you sup up your car then you pretty much got nothin in your pants.
My car is reeeeaaallly slow.
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you guys crack me up...
texace.. a stock 86 qualude in good tune will run around a 16 sec quarter.. a stock 02 mustang gt will run around 14.5 huge difference. A stock ls1 will destroy a wrx... no big deal.
as for old vs new... I got a 69 elky with a 471 and a 6 speed it will run well but... a vortec supercharged late model car will run well too. age is not important.
when it comes to the honda type drag racers... you don't get something for nothing... their trannies, cv joints shafts and even wheel studs are all meant to handle about 200 ft lbs of torque... go to any drag race where it is an "import grudge match" you will watch these guys tearing up some pretty expensive stuff... Add just a few mods and you can't make the next smog inspection plus... they all sound like prolonged flatulance. You don't see many street driven rice rockets that pass smog and run in the 12's much less the 10's
the real trend is "g" machines... cars that accelerate, stop and handle in an extremely good manner... these cars are cutting laps that full blown road racers couldn't do a few years ago... even funked's station wagon is is running better than older race cars used to. Most of us can't drive well enough to get 50% of our cars potential out in any case. still.... running a car at the drags in the 12's takes some talent. on a dry twisty uphill course my hortchkiss/bilstein equipped 471 elky 6 speed will not be too humiliated by funked's wrx... and I am just a ham fisted old man with very little driving skill.
gman... if you have a 99 SS that runs in the 10's with nothing but a vortech then you have the fastest one in existance... I know of 2 impala SS that have superchargers and beefed 700R trannies with low gears and they run low 12's high 11's with drag radials.. And these guys know what they are doing. There is a world of difference between a high eleven and a 10 sec car.
Really, any new v8 v10 rear wheel drive American car can add several hundred bolt on horespower and pass smog... you will not believe how fast these cars are. The drivetrains will hold up too... Heck.... I bet most of you never even drove a stock ford lightning truck.... most of the guys with imports who talk about how "fast" their cars are have never ridden in a car that sets you back in the seat while the intake sucks in 1000 cfm and the 10'' tires scream like banshees with their butt on fire. Untill youve felt 600 ft lbs of torque or more at 4k... you probly haven't gotten enough perspective to get into the discussion.
lazs
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Amen.
I was lucky enough to drive a street legal pace car (cart pace car) with over 500 hp.. all I can say is woah....
nutting even comes close IMO
'specially not rice burners
yeah it seems fast to you younguns but then again, like Lazs, I'll bet you've never driven a real muscle car..
I defer to Lazs cuz he's prolly forgotten more than I'll ever know about performance vehicles
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I can't believe you guys actually waited through the download of that huge pic. :)
Lazs, all that torque and noise is nice, but what counts is who gets the power down the ground and who gets to the finish line first. Nothing more hilarious than beating a big snorty Detroit Smallnoodlecompensationmobile with a cute little station wagon.
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funked I agree... but... A 12.91 station wagon is not uncommon in drag racing nor ... is a 12 sec wrx. The ls1 won't beat a lot of modified cars but... it will beat stock wrx. I can certainly modify an ls1 to beat the wrx in the video. the daisy chain of back slapping on that newsgroup was whistling in the dark imo (they really do seem like a bunch of know nothing dufuses)... they would all be in for a huge helping of crow if they seen the results of a modified ls1 against said station wagon. I had a 55 nomad 20 years ago that would beat that subie. does that make the subie guy a small noodle wannabe? I mean... to be beat in a gee wizz turbo techno mobile by a carburated old station wagon. How bout a '69 el camino with a plastic Mary on the dash and dingle balls? Would that be funny?
as for the four wheel drive... you will reach a point of diminishing returns... my guess is around 10 sec. If you are extremely well engineered and have tons of money. Why aren't all the fuel rails 4 wheel drive? Remember the "hurst hairy olds" (there were also several copies) they put two olds engines in a 67 442 blown on fuel smoked all four tires all the way down... exhibition car hard to drive (all the clones and it crashed a lot)... and... relatively slow. better to have a lighter drive train and good weight transfer... been proven over and over. plus.... look up what it will cost you if you scatter that trannie/transfer case.
do not scoff at torque... torque is what most people think is horsepower in their car.. try punching the gas at 2,000 rpm in your subie in top gear.... try the same in my 471. A broad torque band is the most useful... you can lose some handling advantage with a turbo that comes on strong. a broad powerband is easier to drive well... 550 ft lbs of torque at 3600 rpm is extremely useful for 99% of the drivers in the world. Only extremely light cars are the exception. Torque that doesn't vary much from 500 ft lbs from 3000 to 6000 rpm is very easy to work with in 99% of the situations you will encounter.
turbos make the most hp... this is debatable but close enough... superchargers make the broadest powerband and most useable power... this is not debatable. turbos are a lazy cheapo(for manurfactures) way out. you don't get something for nothing tho.. you sacrafice powerband and drivability... turbos are light years from wher they started... you don't feel "turbo lag" so much now... but it's there. and it can cause problems. the trend is toward superchargers for good reason.
basicly... I can drive a subie turbo around with you as a passenger and have my foot to the floor 90% of the time and you will think you are in a kia so far as power goes... you can't do that with my 471. Powerband 101. I know you know this but I was trying to simplify for some of the others. I am probly not explaining very well.
lazs
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
even funked's station wagon is is running better than older race cars used to.
Well, lets say some race cars...I don't think Funk's wagon will beat my old Citation FF (that's Formula Ford not Chevy) around any of the paved road courses I've been on unless he is a very talented driver (and there are some out there). But you are right that modern cars have really improved recently...Z06 and Modena come to mind.
gman... if you have a 99 SS that runs in the 10's with nothing but a vortech then you have the fastest one in existance... I know of 2 impala SS that have superchargers and beefed 700R trannies with low gears and they run low 12's high 11's with drag radials [/B]
I think Gman is talking about a Z28 SS...which out of the box is a LS1 325hp 3400lb car. The Impala SS was an LT1 260hp 4000lb car. The Z has a definite weight advantage and modding it starts with a higher performing stock base.
I've seen average drivers pull 13.5-13.8 sec 1/4 in a stock LS1 F-body. I haven't seen a good driver run a stock one, but I'd bet 13 flats are possible. And I have seen a WS6 with a 125 wet shot pull an 11.6 on Nittos. I believe the Vortech adds about 150hp to stock...is that right Gman?
Heck.... I bet most of you never even drove a stock ford lightning truck....[/B]
Yeah, they are hella quick...if you can get the light rear end to hook up. I almost bought one as my daily driver and to pull my sailplane, but mid-life hormones took over and it was time for a roadster. :)
most of the guys with imports who talk about how "fast" their cars are have never ridden in a car that sets you back in the seat while the intake sucks in 1000 cfm and the 10'' tires scream like banshees with their butt on fire. Untill youve felt 600 ft lbs of torque or more at 4k... you probly haven't gotten enough perspective to get into the discussion.
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Butt dyno's are very inaccurate. Torque feels good. But low weight and high rpm with good gears can be faster. Just ask the 'Stang GT owner who I suprised in my torquless 153ft/lb 9000rpm S2000 last night. :D
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Now before you guys think I'm some kind of ricer...this is the kind of racing I normally do:
One run (9.5megs) (http://morticia.tcc.fl.edu/~bbana/nats/Ian 3rd Run.mpg)
:D
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crow...
very neat video I haven't autocrossed in years except at a healey meet lately... us v8 guys were getting beat by a highly modified 4 with autocross suspension and race only tires (it was not a street legal car and came in on a trailer.. I drove the 150 miles there)...on the very short track, we couldn't use any of the power we had. The timed speed courses were a different story.
we are talking about the same things.. lest you think that muscle cars/g machines are all I drive.... I have my healey with it's 331 mouse motor... it is purposely detorqued but... as I said.. torque is not as important as hp in very light cars. they are easy to keep in the powerband... I have 11.5 to 1 and a cam with a lot of duration along with a very agressiv single plane manifold with 750 double pumper... doesn't make power till 3,000-7000 rpm.. but for most people in street heavy cars.... torque is the answer.
getting a z28 ss with nothing but a vortech into the 10's would be next to impossible...
I watch vettes and vipers and even ls1's run laps at sears point that are faster than the old FF ones.. I don't know how the wrx would do..
but... as i said... nothin is free. My el camino had to be built.. I had to make it. it also get's about the same milage as an suv even with the 6 speed... 8-15 maybe 16 if you can drive sensibly but no one can drive it sensibly... even beetle would go lawless in the damn thing. This translates into me spending about 20 bucks more for gas if I drive to vegas from northern CA. I can live with that.
anyhow.... it's all fun and everyone should get interested in automotive sports... It simply is wrong to generalize when if comes to car types. anything can be made to beat anything and everything you do is a comprimise. My personality is loud.... I like to have people grin and thumbs up me when they see my cars... I like being able to find em in the parking lot and I like to be able to say I built em and to benchrace with other people who have built cars.... some don't have the time or care about that and would just as soon buy whatever they feel (or some magazine feels) is the hot ticket this year. That's ok too.
lazs
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Lazs about powerband, fortunately they put this lever in the car that moves these little gears around and does this magic thing called torque multiplication. :)
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Originally posted by texace
A few weeks ago, we had a student who has just bought a brand new Mustang 5.0.
No such thing, pull your head out.
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PS 4WD is banned in most forms of road and oval racing.
Same for turbos.
Guess why?
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yep there are different postitions that do different stuff tho and it's all so confusing... ya know that ya need at least 6 of those positions plus the one that makes the car go backwords tho right?
lazs
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Heh heh funked, your car gets good performance on a small engine, but there's a tradeoff.
My BACK seat has more legroom than your car's FRONT seats :D
Heck, despite having a wagon, in order to have more cargo space than me you need to sacrifice your back seat.....must be an awfully small "wagon". You give up all that space and comfort for only about 2 seconds in the quartermile in stock condition. :D
You drive a sardine can. A fast sardine can, but a can nonetheless. AWD is nice, but you can't predict the future and I'd rather have the best possible chance of surviving an accident. Plus I can strech out as much as I like :)
J_A_B
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Actually I don't have the wagon, but the sedan. I can carry 4 adults + luggage which is all I need.
I've got plenty of legroom up front. I actually have the seat almost all the way forward and I'm 6'3".
No reason for a larger vehicle. It's actually a little large for my taste as it is. If I wanted to stretch I would get out and walk.
As far as accidents, I'd like to have the best chance of avoiding them. A nimble car with rally-bred handling gives me a lot better chance than some slothlike American gas hog. :)
And even if I do have an accident, the Impreza is quite sturdy. (http://www.motornet.ie/news/articles/01040208.phtml)
So NEENER!!! :)
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Shoulda been more specific. His PARENTS bought the Mustang...
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So his parents are the ones with small peni? 5.0... 4.6 never did understand all that metric stuff myself.
I had a 90 mustang.... x highway patrol car with 3.55 posi and bilsteins and a couple of little things I added... I had a hard time selling it this year... everyone loved it untill they drove it.. they were afraid that their kid would drive it and kill himself.. It ran in the 13's with the ac on. nice enough car. the guy who bought it was 26... 2 weeks after he bought it he lost it in second gear and totaled it.
Funked... so how did the $50 75 horsepower (you would need that much horsepower to added to lose a full sec in the quarter) add on work out? or are you on the $1000 world record mod?
truth is... I like the idea of a well sorted out sleeper. I also realize that you don't get something for nothing... I also realize that if you drive in snow or slippery surfaces then you probly need 4 wheel drive. A wrx will run 14.6 in the quarter which is not bad at all. It is not a world beater time by any stretch of the imagination tho and there are dozens of new cars that will beat that.. not many that will do it for the price tho. I doubt that even one of the bedwetters on that subie newsgroup could make their car get into the 12's tho. I bet the guy who did doesn't sound as ignorant and condencending as them either.
lazs
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10-15 years ago my friend built old (65-66) Chevy Belair, it had a straight six but he bought a pretty powerfull 350cid from a tuned '57 Chevy and dropped that one in.
He sold that car later and when buyer came It was rainy day. Kid wanted to drive that car but my friend told him to sit in the right seat, he wouldn't let any noob drive that one as long as he was the owner.
10 mins later in a test drive that kid was yelling "this is mine, this is mine !!!".
Friend's next project was a Aspen with slant-six and he was going to drop a 383 with TF727 in it but some old fart wanted to buy the car in its original condition :confused:
btw here in Helsinki is a Chevrolet Corvair with 455cid (From Olds IIRC), it was built in U.S in some speed shop in seventies but some nut-case found it from U.S and shipped it to Finland. I'm just wondering what would Mr Nader think about that car... :D
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I've seen average drivers pull 13.5-13.8 sec 1/4 in a stock LS1 F-body. I haven't seen a good driver run a stock one, but I'd bet 13 flats are possible. And I have seen a WS6 with a 125 wet shot pull an 11.6 on Nittos. I believe the Vortech adds about 150hp to stock...is that right Gman?
At the altitude I raced it at (3800 feet here in Calgary), the best stock run I ever saw an SS or WS6 pull was in the high 13's. The average is well into the mid 14's.
My car, which sorry Lazs, I didn't list all the mods on, had an all time best of 12.4 here in town, and ran a 11.85 in the next Province east of me at an elavation of about 50 feet asl.
I have seen Mustang 4.6's with Supercharger/stage 3 NOS kit and other work done run in the 9's, and not just one or two, like 50 or 60 here in Calgary and at Race wars in Edmonton.
Most of the Chev 350 cu. SS's and RamAir's with superchargers and stage 1 or 2 kits will run in the high 11's and low 12's consistently, depending on tires, driver, and everything else done to the car.
I'm admittedly not the best or smartest racer out there, but I easily have the best reaction times out of the hole when I raced in my category. (I dunno why, but I attribute some of that to my other hobbies, being Pro-Paintball (retried now) and action pistol shooting, both of which requrie very fast reflexes). If I had the inclination, which I don't now, I'd pursue racing further, but now I pretty much just watch and talk about it with other people on message boards. I had a pile of fast cars in my day, from Rx7 R1's to Stealth Turbos, an early model Viper and my RamAir's and SS's. Now I own a house (gee thanks wife), and take the bus :/ .
I really do like funked's car though, something about those little ricers with AWD that have always done it for me I guess.
I DO have some videos of my last GM car running in some heats, I'll upload em to my ftp and post them later tomorrow.
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Lazs, 14.6 would be one of the slowest WRXs I've ever heard of. 14.1 is more accurate for a manual sedan with the stock wheels/tires. They actually run slower with the optional 17" wheels for some reason.
I have not made any mods to the motor and don't plan to. But the MBC (manual boost controller) mod is pretty well documented. Normally boost in the WRX is limited in 1st and 2nd gear in order to keep you from breaking things in the drivetrain. MBC mod allows you to override the boost control, very similar to what ETO units did with Jugs. So you get way more boost in 1st and 2nd which allows better starts (stock WRX will not break the tires loose, so you have to toast the clutch to get a good drag start), better acceleration once you are started, and you even get a little more boost in 3rd and 4th. Many guys report 13's with this mod. I'm sure if you go on that board and ask they will post time slips etc. I will never do it because the car is already fast enough to get me in lots of trouble on the street, and if I wanted to go racing I would build a race car out of something cheaper which could hold a smallblock Chevy.
PS If they built an SS with IRS I probably would own one. :)
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Lazs -
My el camino had to be built.. I had to make it. it also get's about the same milage as an suv even with the 6 speed... 8-15 maybe 16 if you can drive sensibly but no one can drive it sensibly... even beetle would go lawless in the damn thing.
LOL! I often wonder why Americans bother with such powerful cars when the speed limits are generally much lower than in Europe, and are enforced. When I was in CA, the speed limit was 55mph! 55!!! LOL
I've never been prosecuted for speeding in the UK, but have been stopped twice - my charm worked. :D But in the US, I was stopped 4 times in about 18 months! The charm worked on two of those, and would have worked on another had I attended the courtroom. The offences were: - 40 in a 25 area, Mt. Prospect,IL. There is a curve in the road on the way to the railway station. So the speed limit is reduced to 25 in case the driver cannot figure that he needs to slow down for the curve. Talk about nanny government. :rolleyes: I was stopped for exceeding 25 in the 300 yards leading up to the curve. :rolleyes:
- 60 in a 50 area, Chicago. My speedo was busted. I was driving an American car, and American cars are crap. Even the cop thought so. He told me to turn up in court and bring the speedo repair job sheet with me. Got away with that one too. The cop LOVED my accent, and said so. :D works every time!
- 64 in a 55 area - LOL! - somewhere out near Quad Cities,IL on I-80 on the way to San Francisco (went right through Lazsland later on!) The cop was in an unmarked car, and was a dyed in the wool country boy. Cop let me go, but said he would arrest me if he saw me doing 64 again!
- 60 in a 50 area - eastbound on Oakland Bay Bridge (the bottom layer). Cop had his brights (main beam) on and was dazzling me so I couldn't see the car's top lights. He was a nice cop though. I had the choice of paying a $38 fine, or paying a $20 fine and attending a "Driver Rehab Course" Big f&^%$ing LOL to that! The cost of the gas geting to and from my "rehabilitation" would have exceeded the savings on the reduced fine, so I didn't go. Probably would have been a waste of time anyway.
If you really want to know how to drive, go to the motoring capital of the world - Germany. They make the best cars, have the best roads, and probably the best drivers. And no speed limit on the three lane autobahnen. The watchword here is MIRROR. When a Euro driver comes up behind you with his left indicator flashing, it means he wants to drive fast. And boy, do they mean it. I didn't find them aggressive though. I topped 140mph in my Golf VR6 and even at that speed had a Merc coupe come by at 150+. But the drivers are excellent, and always move back to the right to let faster traffic pass by. Indeed, alongside the autobahn, you will see hoardings depicting angry looking snails, which is captioned "Wo fahren zie den?" which means something like Where are you going then? Or for ***** sake, move over to the right if you're done overtaking.
California roads are good, but the surface used is often concrete, which is not as good as tarmac in wet conditions, and creates more tyre noise than tarmac.
By the way, Lazs. I had a dream last night that you posted to a thread without mentioning me. I still think your car would look better in RHD - here it is!
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gman... those numbers sound about right. Certainly a far cry from 10 sec ss's tho... yeah the 5.0 class got way crazy.. can't believe the times those guys are running with drag radials.. even my chp car ran high 13's..
funked.. the station wagon wrx i seen in (i believe) road and track ran 14.6... why would you not do a $50 mod that didn't hurt drivability and added HP? you did prove my point tho... the factory is afraid people will break stuff even with the stock turbo so they kill the boost in the lower gears... imagine adding 150hp. My guess would be that most of the drivetrain is limited to about 225 ft lbs of torque but you tell me.
beetle... most of California is 70mph. You won't get a ticket at 75-80 you won't get a ticket at 150 if they don't see you do it... If you do go 150 tho you should have a car that doesn't waste time getting there...lets just say I like to go 0-70 in 5 or 6 seconds. As for germany... I can't believe that you are not on a german board right now saving them from themselves... giving them the fighures from the "home office" (cracks me up just to write "home office") on how the autobaun is killing people and how lower speed limits in the UK have lowered the deathrate. Also... weren't you the one who was all disapointed cause he couldn't burn the tires off his rental car? When you come out I will show you how to burn the tires on the freeway.
thing is... all modified cars are a kick... hot showroom stockers are fun too but a lot of us can't resist tinkering.. I don't enjoy modern cars because I am a fuddy duddy... I have no interest in front wheel drive sideways motors and the sound they make. it is doesn't do it for me... I don't want to work on em either.. I like the primitive stuff. That is not to say that I don't appreciate the efforts of others.
lazs
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I have no interest in front wheel drive sideways motors and the sound they make. it is doesn't do it for me... I don't want to work on em either.. I like the primitive stuff.
Hehe, I know how you feel. A valid point of view. The VR6 was sideways motor, front drive - but the new one is 4WD with some sort of mechanism for splitting traction between front and back - and diagonally - gawd knows how it all works. I showed the engine to the guy who looks after the Beet1e, and he looked at it and said Hmm, not a lot you can do with that!.
Yeah, I know the speed limits went back up. In fact Nevada went up to 70mph the week before I made that epic trip. I think CO,AZ,UT,WY are all 75.
One Q about your muscle cars - do they have limited slip diff? I shall feel safer if you tell me YES.
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Lazs, adding an MBC voids the warranty so there is no way I am doing it before 60,000 miles. And you got it, they reduce the boost to protect the drivetrain. Put another way, the turbo is oversized at low speeds. The car has too much traction, so even a 5k clutch dump won't break the tires loose. The clutch is pretty good, so all that shock goes right into the driveline, and I have heard of guys fracturing gears at the strip. The STi version of the WRX (not sold here) has about 300 hp and a more robust 6 speed tranny. You can swap this out for the stock tranny pretty easily, and it won't break, but it's expensive. And there are full race dogboxes available from several manufacturers, but again it's more money.
PS Stock tq is 217, STi is 253, Group N (what the dogboxes are stressed for) is something like 450-500.
PPS From reading experiences of guys who have campainged the car: the weakest link for drag racing these things is the tranny. For road racing it's the brakes (they don't fail but they cook the wheel bearings). For rallying they seem to hold up pretty well though.
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PPS No sideways motor.
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Unless you have a stick shift... modding a car is a waste of money.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Unless you have a stick shift... modding a car is a waste of money.
-SW
I'd take that a step further, unless you're going to use that mod in competition, its a waste of money. No one cares how much money you spent modding your car.
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True... and body kits are simply queer.
-SW
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Body kit purchases should be punishable by tar & feathering.
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Unless you have a stick shift... modding a car is a waste of money.
I never knew that so many Americans could drive a sti.. er, car with manual transmission. I took my US driving test in IL in the automatic Chev Camaro Type LT that's I'd bought, but found that the license covered me to drive manual. Here, if you take a test on an automatic, you can drive only automatic and must resit another test on a manual car if you want to drive one.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I never knew that so many Americans could drive a sti.. er, car with manual transmission. I took my US driving test in IL in the automatic Chev Camaro Type LT that's I'd bought, but found that the license covered me to drive manual. Here, if you take a test on an automatic, you can drive only automatic and must resit another test on a manual car if you want to drive one.
That should prove to you how backwards your country is.
I can drive either fine, in fact, I learned on an automatic. I got myself a stick, learned how to work it in 15 minutes, and been driving it since.
There's hardly any need for two licenses, so long as you have SOME coordination.
-SW
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funked.. wasn't implying that your car was a front only driver with sideways engine... My guess on the tranny is about right then... probly stressed for about 200-225 ft lbs of torque.. that means that if everything bites 100% then it will handle that amount of torque... for instance... the world class 5 sp in mustangs is supposed to handle about 300 ft lbs but... with all the tire slipage and a generous "or so" factor... they stay together under much worse circumstances.
beetle... both my cars are limited slip... I would not get to warm and fuzzy about that to because it can actually be a detriment to handling... It is simply a traction aid. and.... both tires smoking is just more estheticly pleasing.
lazs
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That should prove to you how backwards your country is.
Not as backwards as Ford of America. Their cars would jump out of Park and slip into reverse if the driver slammed the door - LOL! I saw in demonstrated on TV (between commercials). Yep, those Fords were fond of going backwards. :D
The British licensing was not really a factor, since the vast majority of cars are manual. But \/\/ulfe, can you drive a crash gearbox, and do you know about heel and toe double declutching? How things have changed. My Golf even has synchromesh on Reverse! (done for the American market lol!) That's probably why gear changing was an important part of the test. Before 1937, we did not have a driving test. My father got his licence in 1931, and never had to take a test.
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Most modern day cars should have synchromesh...
Why would I need to know how to drive a car from the 1950s and before?
-SW
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I'm not the biggest car guy on earth, but I gotta agree with Laz. Its all about the torque. Sure you might have a high horsepower rating with those little high strung engines, but the powerband is so narrow its almost useless.
I do think I probably have one of the faster stop light to stoplight pure stock production cars ( commonly made, not 1 of 15 or something like that) that were made.
A 1969 Convertible Corvette with a 427 ci / 400hp tripower car with a 4 spd M21 manual transmission and a 4.11 gear in it. A real beauty that is pure showroom stock except for some autocross sway bars (front and rear) and graphite rear swing arms (still got the stock items)
Until you have a car that you can blip the throttle at 70mph and it pins you back in the seat, you haven't driven a REAL car ! ;)
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Bring it to the Con and we'll run stoplight to stoplight. :)
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Are you kidding Funked?!?!?! ;)
It would cost me more in gas (one way) than the entire rest of the weekend !! Damn thing gets 8 mpg on the highway, with 93 octane gas, plus octane boost, and plus lead replacement additive on top of THAT! Indy is like a 7 hour drive for me.
I love the old beast, but she is one thirsty squeak.
When I drove it home from Nashville, about the same distance trip, we stopped for gas 4 times, and I had to replace all the fillings in my teeth when I got home (from running at highway speed with that low gearing).
But your welcome to come by some time and drive it! :)
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I might have to take you up on that. :)