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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on November 22, 2002, 12:14:19 PM
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See? Told ya! LOL! Sikboy? Where are ya? ;)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25797-2002Nov22.html
Should be interesting reading in the news the next few weeks with the movie out...:)
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TIFFIN, Ohio –– A college freshman died after falling from a moving pickup truck in a stunt possibly inspired by the television show "love muffin," authorities said.
"love muffin" has drawn criticism in the past for allegedly encouraging dangerous behavior.
Encouraging? There was a huge disclaimer every time the show started. And in several ocassions Johnny Knoxville addressed the MTV audiences on this issue.
The guy didnt die because of the show love muffin. He died because he was a dimwit.
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Monkey see, monkey do.
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So you think the show is to blame for this?
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"The police report that was filed makes it clear that this incident has no connection to any stunts performed on the 'love muffin' television show or film," Malter said.
You are on a roll with your facts today Rip.
Maybe we should blame those racist Fins?
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I think we first had "Shock Jocks" on the radio waves in the 90's, now we have "Shock TV"...I believe its just more fuel to the fire of the moral decline of America. I stand down now, and will let you flame away.
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Did the show love muffin inspire this? No. That show more likely provided several stupid stunts that stupid stunts people could cross of their list as aleady done.
Did the public's desire to pay money just to watch people make even bigger idiots of themselves inspire this? Yep.
Hell.. go back to "America's funniest home videos". Some were candid... others were not. The more rediculous, the more popular. The show "love muffin" is just a continuation of what has been happening for some time now. Its a symptom... not the disease.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Its a symptom... not the disease.
AKDejaVu
Agreed.
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So which was the stunt - pushing a piece of furniture out of the bed of a truck or exiting a moving vehicle? The former isn't particularly dangerous, but I've seen the latter done on numerous shows and movies.
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Not much is dangerous about setting a piece of furniture on fire and throwing it out of the back of a moving truck?
AKDejaVu
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Just torch and drive as the legs exit the tailgate. No skill required. Apparently one of the handlers forgot to hang on to the truck.
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Wow gofaster... that's a pretty amazing reply. Not much arguing with that one. :rolleyes:
AKDejaVu
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Yes all stunts done on TV and movies are a symptom of terrible moral decay. Ban all stunts now. Burn the stuntmen, burn them. For the children.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Did the public's desire to pay money just to watch people make even bigger idiots of themselves inspire this?
Sure people like to laugh at others' stupidity, but we humans also like to watch tragedy even more.
NASCAR, is just automobiles circling round and round a closed track, pretty boring til one of em wrecks into a guard rail or another car.
The Three Stooges, possibly the greatest comedic trio of all time, was nothing more than a series of simulated pain filled accidents strung together.
And ain't it funny to see someone slip and fall on ice?
Who among us hasn't been deadlocked in traffic, because of a car wreck... ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MEDIAN!?!?!?!?! Everyone just has got to slow down rubberneck and gawk in the hopes of seeing a broken body or shattered life.
Watching idiots performing stupid stunts is small time compared to watching people get possibly maimed or killed. Now that's entertainment!
But hey that's just my opinion.
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Actually.. that's not what I think about funkedup.
I just think about how pathetically stupid the stunts are... and how pathetic the people encouraging the stunts are. Of course, there's even the more pathetic situation where everyone acts suprised because someone was injured/killed.
There's no cure for it. I choose not to watch it and definately choose not to encourage it. I do so like the way people who are paying money to support it pretend not to be responsible in any way shape or form.
AKDejaVu
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Shouldn't you be off at "Good Taste in Films 101"?
Or is Sesame Street not over yet?
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Of course, there's even the more pathetic situation where everyone acts suprised because someone was injured/killed.
AKDejaVu
Or deny that the said show was remotely even involved... ;)
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Originally posted by milnko
Sure people like to laugh at others' stupidity, but we humans also like to watch tragedy even more.
NASCAR, is just automobiles circling round and round a closed track, pretty boring til one of em wrecks into a guard rail or another car.
The Three Stooges, possibly the greatest comedic trio of all time, was nothing more than a series of simulated pain filled accidents strung together.
And ain't it funny to see someone slip and fall on ice?
Who among us hasn't been deadlocked in traffic, because of a car wreck... ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MEDIAN!?!?!?!?! Everyone just has got to slow down rubberneck and gawk in the hopes of seeing a broken body or shattered life.
Watching idiots performing stupid stunts is small time compared to watching people get possibly maimed or killed. Now that's entertainment!
But hey that's just my opinion.
Exactly. The misfortune of others is the basis of all humor. Hell, nearly all entertainment in general. I don't know why the Tipper-Gorites would pick this time and show to suddenly make a stand.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Or deny that the said show was remotely even involved... ;)
Just copying statements from the article YOU posted Rip.
I believe you called it a "love muffin Impersonator".
Sucks when people call you on your BS huh?
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Rip's having slow reading comprehension day I think. Lay off the 'roids dude!
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Believe it or not.. the point of NASCAR is to race. Crashes heppen, but the race is the purpose. Take a demolition derby for example.. that's where people are actually paying to see crashes and nothing else. They don't have near the draw of races.
People rubberneck at car accidents, but how many do you see sitting on the side of the road with signs saying "cross the median!" in hopes of seeing it happen.
I understand the obsession with watching the tragedy of others... I just don't understand how shows like love muffin are really apealing to that aspect. Tragedy is not something that you intentionally walk into for the money.. its something that just happens.
AKDejaVu
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Rip,
Man, I just don't want to live in your vision of America.
I guess that is what makes this country great. I don't have to do what you think is "moral" or "correct".
...but Golly-geen, your preaching and "holier than thou" crap is tiresome.
F.
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Don't read the replies Furious..."Just put it down, walk away..." :p
(Theres this neat little feature called "Ignore" USE IT!)
No "holier than thou"...just pointing out the facts, our society is rapidly going downhill as a whole in America. You can stick your head in the sand and ignore it, but it will still remain irregardless.
"De-sensitivity" is indeed working.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Don't read the replies Furious..."Just put it down, walk away..." :p
(Theres this neat little feature called "Ignore" USE IT!)
No "holier than thou"...just pointing out the facts, our society is rapidly going downhill as a whole in America. You can stick your head in the sand and ignore it, but it will still remain irregardless.
"De-sensitivity" is indeed working.
Rip, you are fast becoming even more entertaining than Hortlund.
Does it not bother you at all that the facts you post to back up your views are so wrong that they are comical? All you seem to say when called on it is " Yea well I'm right anyway".... ROFL.
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Now this is pretentious.
Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Actually.. that's not what I think about funkedup.
I just think about how pathetically stupid the stunts are... and how pathetic the people encouraging the stunts are. Of course, there's even the more pathetic situation where everyone acts suprised because someone was injured/killed.
There's no cure for it. I choose not to watch it and definately choose not to encourage it. I do so like the way people who are paying money to support it pretend not to be responsible in any way shape or form.
AKDejaVu
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If you consider the logic in his statement and analyze his DVD collection, humorous conclusions can be drawn.
I blame DjV for a lot of crappy movies. He keeps subsidizing and encouraging them.
Of course by similar logic I can be blamed for the McRib. The Horror...
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You bet its pretentious.
As for my movie collection... you won't find a single "backyard wrestling" edition in there. Nor a single "love muffin" edition.
I've not agreed with Rip in regards to what causes the accidents. love muffin does not cause people to do stupid things... it doesn't even promote it. It is simply a show based on people doing incredibly stupid things because somewhere, someone is willing to pay them money to do it.
Yep.. throw "Bum fights" in there too. Call me pretentious again, but I find it nothing less than sickening that somoene would make those films and that so many would buy them.
Doesn't anyone ever wonder why the colliseum fell to pieces?
AKDejaVu
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ouch.
Originally posted by Ripsnort
irregardless.
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The Colosseum fell to pieces because an Emperor decided that he felt for all of Rome that it was amoral.
Then Rome got boring and the empire fell.
I for one think that Gladiatorial games should be re-instituted for those who wish to participate, and I would be part of the crowd, cheering and roaring.
None of this wrestling and boxing crap. Ultimate Fighting Championship comes close, but still not up to B.C Rome glory.
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Midnight, this last election certainly emphasize that my feelings are a minority, didn't it? ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I think we first had "Shock Jocks" on the radio waves in the 90's, now we have "Shock TV"...I believe its just more fuel to the fire of the moral decline of America. I stand down now, and will let you flame away.
Monkey see, monkey do?
I don't see it that way. Thats no better than siding with the fat tulips sueing McDonald's for fat food! This is just another form of blaming someone else for your boneheaded decisions. The only way this is contributing to the "decline of America" is by not taking responsibility for their actions. So love muffin may have inspired them to do something stupid, it was still their fault for going thru with it.
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I'm with Animal on this one...
as long as they don't mind beating the crap outta each other I'll be there watching .. and enjoying it.
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I want to be like RIPSNORT cause he's so smart and so cool!
so tonight im gonna go home SHAVE my head and then when i wake tomorrow and realize that i have a miss-shaped head and im ugly goofy SOB .....
Im gonna sue Ripfart for advicating the "shaved head look is cool" style and because now ill have a shaved head I will be and NPGMF (thats-No popsicle Getting Mother diddlyer) therefore strengthening my case against his actions and his responsiblity to the AH community!...................
lol ok know even im laughing and Rip you know better than stand behind STUPID journalists expecially when they are like a chick with a great set of long legs ........(they go all the way up and make an bellybutton out of them selves)
Rip i just had to! nothing personal but you tell me do you really think after reading that articale that it was "love muffin" that caused this inncident?
Box:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Midnight, this last election certainly emphasize that my feelings are a minority, didn't it? ;)
Spit my coffee damn you!!
Please, please never take a logic class. It would ruin the entertainment value.
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box you tard. think about what you say before spewing garbage. name calling wont get ya anywhere in a debate bud
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"...and Rip you know better than stand behind STUPID journalists..."
What world are you living in, Boxboy? :)
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Originally posted by Octavius
box you tard. think about what you say before spewing garbage. name calling wont get ya anywhere in a debate bud
hehe
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Originally posted by midnight Target
hehe
the form of "tard" i am referring to would be in the descriptive sense... in no way do I mean to label him ;)
but yes, i can see the hypocrisy from your angle :D
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Originally posted by midnight Target
hehe
:rolleyes: no sense of sarcasm ever with you puds..........:rolleyes:
sorry midnight i ment to quote Oct-analman;)
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aww that was low, box... :(
:D
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;) yeh take that .
J/k
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As long as there are action flicks there are going to be idiots who try to duplicate the stunts in them. After "Smokey and the Bandit" came out, some kid tried to duplicate one of the scenes where the Firebird jumped a bridge or railroad track. He made the jump but the Bird broke in two and he was killed.
By the way...did you ever hear the one about the tard who bought a surplus JATO unit? He removed the trunk lid from his Chevy Malibu and installed it. Then he took it out on a 5 mile stretch of deserted highway. He got the Malibu up to it's top speed and then touched off the rocket.
"Piecing" together what happened later, the police found that the tires began to melt and then flew apart from centrifugal force. The Malibu left the ground in a curve at the end of the 5 mile road and hit a cliff face dozens of feet off the ground. The only pieces of the car that were identifiable were the license plate and the steering wheel, which had the fingernails of the genius imbedded in it. The cops referred to the unknown victim as "Speedy."
Regards, Shuckins
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I've read somewhere about two dudes who tried to play a russian rulette. They got a gun loaded it with a single bullet, on of them put it to his head and pulled the trigger killing himself.
Turns out they did not understand completely how the game is played. They did not have a revolver so they've used a pistol instead.
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Shock TV and Shock Radio have as much influence on what idiots do as what they see in the movies, on the street, or hear from their friends.
Remember that football movie "The Program"? It had a particular scene where the football jocks went to the middle of the road and laid down on the double yellow lines.
Sho'nuff, a few days after I saw the movie I heard reports of some retards doing the same thing... except one of the dumb tulips died.
Needless to say, they had to cut the scene out of the movie.
There will always be idiots, thankfully, they tend to only take themselves out.
-SW
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
By the way...did you ever hear the one about the tard who bought a surplus JATO unit? He removed the trunk lid from his Chevy Malibu and installed it. Then he took it out on a 5 mile stretch of deserted highway. He got the Malibu up to it's top speed and then touched off the rocket.
"Piecing" together what happened later, the police found that the tires began to melt and then flew apart from centrifugal force. The Malibu left the ground in a curve at the end of the 5 mile road and hit a cliff face dozens of feet off the ground. The only pieces of the car that were identifiable were the license plate and the steering wheel, which had the fingernails of the genius imbedded in it. The cops referred to the unknown victim as "Speedy."
Regards, Shuckins
I read an account of the guy who claims he was the source of this socalled urban myth. His dad had a scrapyard, and bought 'surplus units' off the army. He found the RATO units in the yard. Him and his friends spent ages planning the run. They welded an old car (impala) to the wheelbed of a disused mine railway, welded thick steel tubes into the boot, and set it off. It went quite well (no-one was in it) and it had areally cool braking system of wooden blocks and water (to stop them catching fire). Unfortunately this malfunctioned and the car left the tracks as it came to the mine entrance, hit full speed and collapsed the mouth of the mine. The 'kids' made tracks, literally, on the nearby road and got outta there. Made it look like the car left the road and sped, rocket propelled into the rockface.
This was in Wired Magazine a coupla years ago.
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the mfg that built that defective pickup truck should be sued for 28 billion dollars.
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"Monkey see, monkey do"
You know, the first thing my parents would have told me (loudly) would have been "If all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?"
I remember when I was a kid, i tried to turn my schwinn into a motorcycle. I took aluminum foil, made tailpipes with it, and shoved it full of paper, foam, whatever else I could find. Then poured gas in there, wet it all down. I lit it all on fire, so it would smoke real good, and rode away. I was so proud of my "motorcycle" I rode to where my dad was washing the car to show him. I got sprayed down so fast I didn't know what was happening. Then I got grounded for a long time of anything interesting. Why did I do it? I was a six year old boy who wanted to imitate something I saw. And boy I learned real quick that what I see and reality are often two different things.
Kids are exposed to love muffin like stuff all the time. Whether it's cartoons (remember Wile E. Coyote getting anviled, or blown up, etc) to action movies. Someone should tell these kids that if they try this stuff it will actually hurt them. How many times to we see the cartoon character dead because of the gunshot (usually they just go OW! and run away).
So where are the parents? I think they lost their balls when society started saying that there is no right or wrong. They say there are no moral absolutes (horsepucky).
love muffin is just another cartoon where some guys did something stupid, may have got hurt, but we still watch because it's funny as hell the same way roadrunner was funny. Dumb, maybe, but dumber still are the people who raise kids to think this stuff won't hurt them.
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Originally posted by boxboy28
so tonight im gonna go home SHAVE my head and then when i wake tomorrow and realize that i have a miss-shaped head and im ugly goofy SOB .....
Hey, F*ck You! ;)
SOB
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by Ripsnort (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70540)
Don't forget "Its not MY fault the gun shot that person, its the GUN MANUFACTURER'S fault!"
Do I need to say anything about Tabacco settlements?
So, "It's not MY fault I tossed a burning chair out the back of a pickup and died like an idiot, it's love muffin's fault!" is an OK statement then?
Pull your head out Rip. Society is no more immoral than it was 50 years ago. More accepting maybe, more desensitized definitely, but immoral behavior (however you define it) has been around since man started to think. love muffin may be stupid, but were it not for that guy's willingness to do something dangerous and stupid he wouldn't be dead.
Would you ever do what that dipshit did? Why not? Would your answer to "why not?" change if you had actually seen them do it on love muffin?
SOB
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
By the way...did you ever hear the one about the tard who bought a surplus JATO unit? He removed the trunk lid from his Chevy Malibu and installed it. Then he took it out on a 5 mile stretch of deserted highway. He got the Malibu up to it's top speed and then touched off the rocket.
Regards, Shuckins
One word, Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/autos/dream/jato.asp).
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Originally posted by bounder
I read an account of the guy who claims he was the source of this socalled urban myth. His dad had a scrapyard, and bought 'surplus units' off the army. He found the RATO units in the yard. Him and his friends spent ages planning the run. They welded an old car (impala) to the wheelbed of a disused mine railway, welded thick steel tubes into the boot, and set it off. It went quite well (no-one was in it) and it had areally cool braking system of wooden blocks and water (to stop them catching fire). Unfortunately this malfunctioned and the car left the tracks as it came to the mine entrance, hit full speed and collapsed the mouth of the mine. The 'kids' made tracks, literally, on the nearby road and got outta there. Made it look like the car left the road and sped, rocket propelled into the rockface.
This was in Wired Magazine a coupla years ago.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.08/rocketcar.html
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I think we first had "Shock Jocks" on the radio waves in the 90's, now we have "Shock TV"...I believe its just more fuel to the fire of the moral decline of America. I stand down now, and will let you flame away.
Seriously Rip... Moral decline?
What tool are you using to measure this, your own perspective?
Is it about religion? Certainly, churches and organized religion seem to be on the decline (my own perception, possibly false). It's easy to find reasons for it. Scandals with religious leaders run the gamut from straight up womanizers like Swaggert and Bakker to the snake oil salesman like Hinn or child molesting Catholics. Or possibly it's a difference in the society. You often hear it... we live in the information age. We as a society do not blindly follow like our parents did (again, my perspective). We question. We research. We communicate... and we do it on a global scale.
Is it about sex? From the accounts that I've read, I get the distinct impression that people in the past were more discrete than they are today. They were still balling their brains out. They were just doing it in secret.
Is it about crime? Murder per capita is down. Want to feel safe? Turn of the network news. They make money by spouting the doom and gloom. There's no profit in giving good news. It's the reason I completely turned off Los Angeles network stuff... Always some sort of STORM WATCH or TERROR WATCH or CRIME WATCH. These amazinhunks feed on tragedy.
Moral decline? That's nostalgia.
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When I was younger, much younger, I used to do a lot of stupid stuff. My friends and I could have filled a few episodes of love muffin all by ourselves, way before the show was ever a thought. This is the biggest reason why I love love muffin, its a total timewarp to my late-adolesent and early adult life in Alaska.
Johny Knoxvile did not invent stupidity. Stupidity is just a side affect of testosterone.
eskimo
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I don't know if "love muffin" signals the eventual fall of American society, but SOB having the most logical and thought provoking post in a thread damn sure does.
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With the lack of natural predators to cull the herd that is the human race, I for one am glad about anything that helps the process.
As a test of mental capability, I think every show should end in "Hey dude, if you jump off a 3 story roof we'll put it on tv." When they stop getting clips, then we won't need it anymore.
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I disagree that love muffin is to blame here. The only thing to blame is a dumb bellybutton jumped out of the back of a moving pickup. If love muffin should be "banned" then so should Bugs Bunny cartoons, Tom and Jerry, toejam let's just ban everything. We can give up our 2nd Amendment rights. Then when we really desparate we can blame someone else for it.
Karaya2
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I can understand where Rip is coming from....while you cannot blame this death on one television show, the same offers very little to those who would watch it other than a shake of the head or a chuckle.
You don't have to look too far in this world to find items which are destructive in nature, offer nothing of value and yes, are to some extent, responsible for the decline of the human spirit.
That said, personal responsibility tends to alleviate those concerns for those who care to make the effort....the rest, will reap what they sow.
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I suppose this has been delt with pretty well, but death is no reason to stop beating a horse I suppose. At least it has never stopped me in the past.
Anyone remember Summer 2001? Before Terrorist started knocking down buildings, it was "The Summer of the Shark" You couldn't go 5 minutes without a news report about a nasty shark attack. Then as the Autunm Wind (which is a butt-raider) settled, we found out that there were an average number of attacks, with an above average amount of media coverage.
Does anyone think that stupid people doing stupid things is on the rise? I don't. They are just getting more media attention thanks to Mr. Knoxville.
Anyhow, even if we assume that every post love muffin the movie stupid stunt that made it to the press was 100% inspired by, and the result of, the movie, then you are still what? 22 people short of your army of the stupid.
for the record, I've only ever seen the show once, and I was very drunk (new years eve party with some Marine Buddies ) But it was pretty funny. They were all dressed up like knights, and jousting each other on BMX bikes.
-Sik
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I still wish they would encourage people to jump off of buildings so I would never run into people dumb enough to be talked into jumping off of buildings.