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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: hazed- on November 23, 2002, 05:57:05 AM
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As you are probably aware all too clearly there have been countless posts concerning 190's and ta152 etc over recent weeks/months and in many of them there are constant calls for a word or two from the HTC crew concerning whether you are looking into their questions etc.many times there are answers from you guys that are missed or lost in silly arguements that spring up in the threads.
Well rather than continueing to post more and more about the planes and trying over and over to get answers from you guys and also pretty much drive you all crazy demanding more and more of your time I thought it might be easier if I just came right out and ask if you will be looking into the modeling of the 190a5 or ta152 in the near future.
If you simply answer 'yes its being looked into' I can quite happily wait and im sure wotan , naudet, mandoble and others would be very pleased to know it.
As i see it the whole tone of some of the threads is detrimental to AH as they often hint at HTC ignoring or avoiding the issues brought forward.Im pretty sure you guys are trying constantly to give us the best you can but I dont know if its a lack of time or that you guys get annoyed at the tone of these threads that causes them not to be answered.
Well I for one would like to appologise if I have annoyed you guys and I will endevour to not do it again if i can help it but Id like you to understand the frustration I , and im sure others feel, when there is no word as to whether anything we type gets even read.Im sure you do but we can never really be sure.
So the idea here is to get a straight forward reply without demanding a huge explanation or data from you guys etc.
We can appreciate your time is hard pushed and it must be frustrating for you guys to see the same subject brought up over and over.
If we get the answer 'no the FM for 190 and ta152 is fine as far as HTC is concerned' maybe we can simply stop trying so hard to get you to change things and give you some peace?
As I said i feel its only hurting AH to have so many threads which are not always good for the image of your company especially when we make assumptions about what we think you guys think! :) All the name calling and political arguements only make people ignore the threads in the end and then a short time later its all churned up again.
I think it would be a good time to settle the issue a bit and give us a clue to how you feel about the issue we keep pushing if only to give you some peace :)
well there you have it.Are we wasting your time and ours by repeatedly questioning? could we please have a word from you?
Will you look into the 190a5's modeling or the ta152s modeling? (are the plans for changes to any 190s?)
either way you answer I for one will no longer push it.I'll accept either answer and either drop the subject or wait patiently for further word from you guys concerning future changes.
thanks
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I'm not sure they want to establish a precedent for "the squeaky wheel gets the grease."
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funked the squeaky wheels that CONTINUE to squeak are doing no favours for all of us.Those that post are frustrated.Those that dont want anything done are annoyed and theres generally bad blood in every post. This is an attempt to shut it all up so we can go onto other issues.
I personally would just like to know if all those posts have actually done something or if its just a waste of time.
If i was to find out there will be no changes then Id stop posting questions about it . Probably stop posting in aircraft and vehicles alltogether concerning FM issues.Id stick to gameplay aspects.
Ive done a lot of testing and info searching in the hope to make my AH experience better or more fun and less frustrating and it would save me a hell of a lot of time if i knew one way or another.I really dont feel its asking much, and i often wonder why wotan and many others even after testing and trying hard to put forward a sound arguement seem to be ignored.its not right really.
and if i might add, how else are people supposed to question things unless they ask by posting? Your 'squeaky wheel' could be applied to almost every post ive ever seen concerning almost all types of planes. p38 durability, Nik FM/e retention, F4uc perking, engine oil trouble in 190s were all subsequently changed after much posting and questioning funked.How is this any different ?
if theres a different way to do it please tell me what it is. :)
Im trying to ask politely here.
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Squeaky wheels DO get the grease in the game.
Many of the new AC as well as some game play changes seem to be the direct result of HTC paying attention to the bbs and the comments (suggestions/requests/bribe offers/WHINES!!) of the customers. Why should he pay attention to his customers? Because the customers PAY him to provide a game. If he doesn't pay attention to those who PAY him, then this game will go the way of others in the not too distant past.
Varients that have been added range from maps, planes, game play issues and the perk system. Some good, some bad but all were issues that found their way onto the bbs BEFORE they got into the game.
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Maybe they've concluded that five or six very noisy subscribers, some of whom are very prone to quitting, aren't worth the effort because nothing done for them has ever satisfied any of them.
Just because the same few people start thread after thread about niggling little details of their pet aircraft doesn't mean there is a huge uproar and outcry about these things.
BTW, I know what the Ta152H-1's issue is, but how is the Fw190A-5 wrong?
Or are you blindly refering to that chart that says it did 360mph or so on the deck? You know, the chart that wasn't based on flight tests but rather on paper calculation using the German method that consistantly gave deck speeds that were too high?
The Fw190A-5, Fw190A-8 and Fw190D-9 are all fine.
The Fw190F-8 needs more loadout options and the Ta152H-1 needs its GM-1 boost.
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And the WGR-21 rockets need to be jettisonable :).
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does 190 d9 still compress alot earlyer at all alts than a8? with same wing and more leverage. flight tests were done and a quote from some dude named kurt tank giving a very detailed description of excelent control at speeds/alt where the ah d9 shakes and siezes up like a rock. i know it drove the black adders to distraction in the game .
they never got i responce at all i think.
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Of course, let's not forget the totally bogus acceleration rates for ALL 190's and the 152. They accelerate like cold molasses on a Sunday morning.
Throw in missing loadouts of all LW aircraft compared to the over modelled P-47 loadouts.
I think we need a simple "yeah, we're looking into it" or a "it's find just the way it is" and be done with it.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Of course, let's not forget the totally bogus acceleration rates for ALL 190's and the 152. They accelerate like cold molasses on a Sunday morning.
Throw in missing loadouts of all LW aircraft compared to the over modelled P-47 loadouts.
I think we need a simple "yeah, we're looking into it" or a "it's find just the way it is" and be done with it.
exactly this is the area im most interested in.
Im also hoping for new loadout options , jetisonable wr21s , possibly more armour for 190f8? gm1 simulated for ta152 etc
The list is extensive really and they have been asked for again and again over a long period of time.All I would like is a hint at whether they are ever going to be looked at.It doesnt have to be right now or even the near future but just a word to say it would be looked into would be enough.
Karnak you say its one or two noisy individuals? would you care to name these? If you include me in the list id like to know why.
If you look at all my posts, including the 190a8 tests I did and there was a lot of time put into it. Or the cooling tests i did concerning engine cooling after using wep , they were fair requests and for the most part ignored or even when they got an answer it was incredibly confusing and didnt answer it at all.Im not here to stir up trouble but I would like the same treatment as any other customer.If someone finds a fault I think they are entitled to ask about it.At least it would seem some are allowed whilst others are labeled whiners.
As for players quiting I think you should realise ive been in AH since beta days and I payed when the cost was double what it is now.Ive only ever quit once and i explained clearly why i left.The great thing was all the reasons i listed as to why i left were actually addressed (like a strat system and lower subscription cost) so i was more than pleased to return to AH.
seems to me whenever it concerns an LW plane its labeled a whine and from what i can gather this started years back in warbirds or something.I came to AH a complete novice to online sims and i have only flown AH.I learned to love this game but I very much noticed a very negative attitude to anything mentioned concerning LW planes.The childish name calling still infuriates me to this day, its just a method of ignoring issues brought up.If there are loud mouths around and they happen to be LW flyers it doesnt mean that ALL customers who like to fly them should be tared with the same brush.It is in no way fair.
Damn I knew this wouldnt be a simple thread, Again im annoyed by the attitude toward this subject.Instead of a word from HTC I get the opinions of customers who quite honestly have no business telling me what HTC thinks as they dont even know.Im addressing this to them and if they choose to ignore it then wel, fair enough i guess.
I just think it would be easier to say '190s wont be changed' etc and then at least it would put an end to us constantly testing stuff for nothing.Should we just give up?
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Hazed, I feal your pain, but I think their silence may be speaking volums.
If nothing is adreased in this huge line, of issues, in the next patch/err update, then well maybe, but then again they have fixed stuff in the past that was an issue. hard to say. We did get bombs for the La-7 and La-5, they do do stuff like this.
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funked the squeaky wheels that CONTINUE to squeak are doing no favours for all of us
Take your own advise.
HiTech
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Hitech with all due due respect should I read that as:
"Shut the hell up luftwobbles!"
I would appreciate a clarification, seeing as such an apparently dismissive comment is coming from you the owner and president of HTC.
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What's with the jettisonable payload thing? Why don't you just fire them off and save the BBS server some capacity?
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In AH the 21cm rocket tubes stay on after firing the rocket, and the drag and weight are represented in the FM. In RL they were fitted with a release mechanism so they could be discarded at the pilot's discretion before or after firing the rocket. The whole assembly was treated sort of like we treat aux fuel tanks.
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Something you LW guys never answered :
Are the FWs suppose to compress after the P47? Honest question, not a whine.
Else ... fix whatever needs to be fixed... alas with HTC policy you shove it deep in your mouth as silence is their choice. "Wise strategy built on past comunauty interaction" or just "buzz off I'm god", up to each of us it's own interpretation.
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Maybe you're right Frenchy. But maybe if they listened to each persistent, whiny, voice they would go nuts and feel completely disheartened about what they were doing.
But like you say, each to their own interpretation. ;)
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frenchy, since when are LW fans specializedv on alied planes ?
we have hard time when we tray something about LW stuf and now we have to know alied ? ask some whiners about whine they know everything ;)
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Define compression Frenchy. Naudet posted a chart that showed dive speed of the 190 and its handling characteristics at various speeds. So yes the jug compresses before the 190.
Why should those who fly lw planes worry about a jug or any other plane they dont fly. Heres a test for you take up typhie and dive it and compare that to a 190 or any other plane.
To the rest of you guys who post these threads. Its clear you are nothing but a joke to those in ah. No more posts or charts or any evidence presented will be looked at with anything but contempt. Your issues are not important. No amount of "punting" or re-posting will change that.
The only advice I can offer is move on to something else. Banging your head against the wall only makes you more bitter. With the 20-30 folks in ah who prefer lw planes theres no need to cater to them. It would appear that some folks would be more then happy to see you gone from ah. No one will miss 20-30 folks.
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Concerning comparing the dive of a 190 or a typhoon I'm still waiting on the start of the begin of the beginnings of an evidence that it should be different.
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Hi Frenchy,
>Are the FWs suppose to compress after the P47?
Yes. The Focke-Wulfs could go to about Mach 0.76 before compressibility effects showed, while the P-47D without dive flaps was out of control at Mach 0.73. (Though you didn't ask for them, the Messerschmitts were tested to Mach 0.79 in similar out-of-control dives.)
The dive flaps fitted to the later P-47D variants helped recovery in a similar way as those of the P-38 (which entered compressiblity at Mach 0.65).
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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If its wrong then it should be fixed plain and simple.
P.S.: Not sayin anything is wrong since I dont have a clue :D
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Straffo you can look it up on your own. its been posted before.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
does 190 d9 still compress alot earlyer at all alts than a8?
Not only that, also D9 roll rate is noticeabity lower than A8/A5.
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(Though you didn't ask for them, the Messerschmitts were tested to Mach 0.79 in similar out-of-control dives.)
ya know, several AH P47s augered trying to run me down when I dove my G10 straight for the dirt. I was able to pull out of dive but some 47 drivers weren't so fortunate. :)
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I've look it up == nothing
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When u guys get it.
This is an US game made from US people for US people.
We will never get german or russian or biritsh planes that are near to reality. what will the avergae US user say if his F6 or P51 doesnt have lazer aiming super jfk mega HT proved .50cal bullets that kill with 10 pings.
I got it nd dont care anymore. Qauke rules the world
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Freeze, even though you are one of my squaddies i have to disagree with you.
I have brough up a lot of FW190 issues, but with all the questions i had regarding AH's FW190D9, we should not forget that AH has the most accurated D9 compared to any other Flighsim.
The things that need a look into with the D9 are (from my viewpoint):
-dive characteristics, especially compression and high speed elevator authority
-zoom characteristics
-roll rate, all FW should roll the same (with small differences in initial roll if outboard cannons are installed)
-actuall engine power curves for the AH D9, this is just a matter of interest, i would really like to know which power output ist used for WEP speed/climb and which for full throttle speed/climb
those are the points that need clarification, in some cases, such as zoom and roll, they are points that need to be cleared in conjunction with those performance issues on other planes.
On the other hand i thing the following points need no discussion anymore:
-speed/climb numbers are correct
-flat turning characteristics seem also to be correct
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Loook at you guys!! away you go again on the same subjects.
we dont need to argue it out in this thread again ffs.
Hitech so basically you are telling me to shut up and still not even hinting at your companies view on the whole subject?
Well to be perfectly honest i think its fairly out of order to do this.
Perhaps its time you made it clear just what you do think of anything I or others come in here to ask about, from your answer i get an impression you feel nothing but contempt for me.If you dont give a toss what we put up here(as it appears) then do us a favour and tell us.I for one would be glad to stop bothering to test stuff if im aware it will not be listened to or even checked.
Im fairly annoyed by that reply to be honest.I certainly dont consider myself particularly bad/heavy in my demands or requests.Most subjects I have posted about have been backed by information I have gathered and sources are always listed.Most are questions which anyone would ask once they read the clips ive found.Jesus , whats wrong with asking? isnt this the whole point of this forum??
I still have never received a decent answer to the majority of my questions.Usually a criptic line or two which only confuses me and others in the thread even more.
190a8 climb from 25k to 35k is nothing like that listed in books although up to 25k its close(BUT still just under listed times)
I asked again and again and never recieved a reply.So i dropped it
The cooling times question i asked I tried my damndest to understand your explanation but I still dont have a clear indication of the reasons for the differing times in AH.
After trying for a long time I dropped it again. Well im still reading this forum and again and again i see the same subjects churned up and each time , although annoyed a little more I hope to see something said.Well I was trying to end this endless wait here and instead of saying 'its being checked' or ' its not' you choose to tell me too shut up. Real nice that.
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Originally posted by hitech
Take your own advise.
HiTech
HT you must be in a bad mood. That was a rude, unprofessional reply which didn't directly answer the question either. Hazed was being very polite in trying to put an end to these squeeky wheels and therefore make your game better, and you basicly tell him to shut up. I wonder if you have the guts to apologize. Maybe you could answer the question while you're at it.
Atomic Rooster
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AtmkRstr would you be kind enought to read last 3 year posts in this forum please ?
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It had already been established that the N.A.C.A.22-series wing section employed by the Typhoon was entirely satisfactory at speeds in the vicinity of 400 m.p.h. but encountered compressibility effects at higher speeds. In dives approaching 500 m.p.h. a very sudden and sharp increase in drag was experienced, accompanied by a change in the aerodynamic characteristics of the fighter, which affected the pitching moment and rendered the machine nose heavy.
The typhie also fell apart in high speed dives.
The tail problems turned out to be due to elevator flutter and were cured by modifying elevator balance, but this didn't happen until very near to the end of the war. Since nobody knew what was causing the trouble before that time, a distinctive row of "fish plates" was attached in a ring around the fuselage just ahead of the horizontal tailplane as an interim measure to keep the tail on.
Heres something for the folks who are always saying lw aircraft caught fire alot.
However, the Sabre never managed to overcome its tendency to catch on fire on startup, with 28 Typhoons burned up in this fashion during 1944 and 1945. A well-known painting of a Typhoon in colors worn in the late summer of 1944 features the following text marked on the aircraft's radiator:
IF THIS ENGINE CATCHES FIRE ON STARTING,
DON'T JUST WAVE YOUR ARMS AT THE PILOT --
TRY PUTTING THE BLOODY THING OUT AS WELL.
In the first nine months of its service life far more Typhoons were lost through structural or engine troubles than were lost in combat, and between July and September 1942 it was estimated that at least one Typhoon failed to return from each sortie owing to one or other of its defects. Trouble was experienced in power dives--a structural failure in the tail assembly sometimes resulted in this component parting company with the rest of the airframe. In fact, during the Dieppe operations in August 1942, when the first official mention of the Typhoon was made, fighters of this type bounced a formation of Fw 190s south of Le Treport, diving out of the sun and damaging three of the German fighters, but two of the Typhoons did not pull out of their dive owing to structural failures in their tail assemblies.
These arent random failures but even so I just dove offline 3 times in a typh and pegged the speed. I dove well over 500mph and pulled out otd with just some moderate wing creaking. No compression at all.
You must not have looked very hard straffo. I am sure someone will post mach numbers for the typhie.
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Dear hazed, dear HTC,
I rarly make statements about 190' 152's and so on. I rarly squeak about something cause I dont like squeaking in an public forum.
I rather like to see facts and good discussions (as in many newer threads here).
Hazed, I read ur initial post and must say that it is a polite and kind question and a good manner to stop all this posting, asking, (squeaking) about 190's and 152's.
It would have been a good chance to rule off all these topics by simply saying:
Yes we'll take a look in the near future.
This chance was not taken (by HTC) and I really asking me why?
Sometimes it's simply better to bite the bullet and be pleasent instead of saying (posting) cryptical statements, particularly if u are the leader of a respectable company.
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Look up the serial of our typhoon : she's a late 1944 tyffie
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some 109 got fish plates aswell ...I've some pict showing 190-A2 engine burning ...
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sorry for the short answer but my ISP blow when I do long posts :(
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Hazed,
About the WEP temperatures:
Basically HT implied there were, within the different possible settings out of the factory, by the ground crew, in flight, for how much wep // how long // etc many plausible models to choose from for each plane.
So it's probably more complicated still than the reasons behind decisions like no AUX tank till 75% global fuel for P51D yet AFT/WING tanks of 152 filled even at 25% global, or that the fuel types used differ from each plane as well.
Probably same story as putting all planes in same cockpit units of measurements so as to kill 50 birds with one stone: mph/kph-etc misunderstandings in MA coms, no need to rememorize cockpit instrumentation from plane to plane, etc.
As for features that just dont make sense like the 152 seemingly not having a GM1 turned on, when it was pretty much the purpose of the plane design, then who knows? Maybe they at HTC don't have information to model it correctly like they don't for the A20 bomber rear bottom turret art, maybe this, maybe that, shake an eight ball.
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Straffo I am talking about dive speed. The other stuff was to show what a pos the typh was. They were looking to cancel it in 41 but the damn fw was to fast for the spits.
The fish plates didnt solve the problem of the typhie falling apart.
The ah typh can get well over 500mph in a dive with no noticable effect on its flight characteristics.
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Originally posted by straffo
AtmkRstr would you be kind enought to read last 3 year posts in this forum please ?
I've been reading them on and off for about 2 years, 9 months. Since Jan or Feb 2000.
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What did HT's comment mean????
P.S: Im a Canadian Frog so please be gentle :D
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she's not a pos, she's damm sexiest than any FW :D
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
When u guys get it.
This is an US game made from US people for US people.
We will never get german or russian or biritsh planes that are near to reality. what will the avergae US user say if his F6 or P51 doesnt have lazer aiming super jfk mega HT proved .50cal bullets that kill with 10 pings.
I got it nd dont care anymore. Qauke rules the world
F4U climbs as a pig when climb rate was better A8, as good D9 and A5. Acceleration worse all Fw's.
My second rides are Fw's but they are all porked, that is why i don't fly it.
P47 & F4U have allways mounted rack of bombs (10 mph/h less ALLWAYS)
Where is Ki84?
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Originally posted by Wotan
However, the Sabre never managed to overcome its tendency to catch on fire on startup, with 28 Typhoons burned up in this fashion during 1944 and 1945. A well-known painting of a Typhoon in colors worn in the late summer of 1944 features the following text marked on the aircraft's radiator:
Sabre was very unreliable and sufferred frequent loss of power due to rapid wear around the sleeve valve system (very temperature sensitive)..........similar problem on the Halifax IIIb which used a radial (Bristol Centaurus??) which also used a sleeved valve set up....... (later found on the Sea Fury)
http://www.eagle.ca/~harry/aircraft/tempest/sabre/
edit....
This article suggests that the problem "went away" when Bristol took over manufacture od the sleeves............. My father worked on the Bristol radial on the Halifax.........he did not think much of them........and got ground crews to do regular checks on sleeve valves between missions......
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she's not a pos, she's damm sexiest than any FW
Must be a French thing, like smelly women and snails
:eek:
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Hey Wotan,
I have this crate of canned snail for squad night, where do you want it?
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oops Sry moot,
You indeed have good taste. My Stereotype is clearly wrong in your case :)
No smelly snails for me though thnx
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Hazed, let me lay it out for you. What funkedup is refering to in the squeeky wheel, is not that the items you disagree with in the game are the squeeky wheels, wrather that YOU are a squeeky wheel. The resone why are simple statements like this.
"The cooling times question i asked I tried my damndest to understand your explanation but I still dont have a clear indication of the reasons for the differing times in AH."
On that issue I answered you twice. Yet here we are at least a month later and you are once again squeeking about it.
We try look into any VALID discussion of flight modling that could be incorect, and have responded to some like the rocket pod jetison before.
That question is a choice on our part to make them not jetisonable, because all players would just jetison after use, and that is not how they were used. The jetison was for emergancy only, and not disposable. There for in an effort to be more realistic we chose not to have them jetisonable. And now once again just this statment will lead to another heated argument.
So now who is it that is causing the "TONE" of this type of statements?
"As i see it the whole tone of some of the threads is detrimental to AH as they often hint at HTC ignoring or avoiding the issues brought forward."
HTC by not spending the time holding the hands ,and giving a few squeeky players extra atention?
Or the "SQUEEKY" players who tend to only bring up items that would make there beloved planes better?
I'm not positive about this, but where in the last year have you posted an item where any LW plane is to good at somthing?
And if you realy belive that me answereing your first question would make an issue stop, I belive you are greatly mistaken.
The out come would be one of a few.
If I said yes, we are looking into it. Then we decided it's ok. You would come right back at us and argue some more that it's NOT ok.
If I said we have looked into it, and it's OK you would then bring the topic back up again in 2 weeks. Or just go away stomping your feet claming we don't care about accuracy.
A lot of the time the best way for us answere this stuff, is to not respond until we are positive we are going to change somthing.
Even then it can work out better if we just change it, and put it in the readme at release.
There was a post a few days back how incorect or ar234 was because it had a skid not wheels, should I imeaditly respond that we will look into it. Or that no you are mistaken, take time diging up the resources on which version had what to get into that discusion?
Please realize that when you belive that somthing is incorect the burden of proof lies with you, it is not our job to prove what we have is correct. The resone is simple, how many times and to many people would have to keep proving it.
HiTech
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The Typhoon, like many a/c had its share of development problems.
There were 26 known failures structurally in 3 years of service, from the spring of 1942-45. Thats a big 10 per year on average.
That it was a "pos" simply isnt true, it was kept in service as it should have been, as a fighter-bomber and a medium-low altitude fighter. It had a very good combat record and was popular with its crews. It filled roles the RAF needed filled.
The only difference between an earlier Typhoon IB and the Typhoon IB of 1944 (and AH) is the 4 bladed prop and the slightly better canopy. Also the rocket rails. Other than that, the actual a/c is the same. Airframe and engine.
Btw the 109F had problems with its tail section coming off early in its career as well, and the 190 had engine fire problems with early front line versions. Many a/c had development problems in WW2. Ki-84 (hydraulics), N1K2 (engine) P-38 (compressability)...I could go on.
The pace of war always pushed the designers, pilots and air forces much faster than peacetime ever would have permitted them to do. The Tiffie was certainly one of the more troublesome for the RAF, but no more so than other types in other air forces that were eventually succesfull designs.
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Hitech but wouldnt that "emergency" be like running for your life, or getting bounced then needing to dogfight so you drop them? Just like somebody would drop a DT or bomb in an "emergency". I see no reason for you to be so extreme on this issue while AH is very relaxed on many loadout options on many airplanes. Why care so much about that issue? Just gives us that option, and why not add a seperate 21cm rocket with the fuze set to detonate on impact for ground attack - just let that be an option in the hangar.
Comments HT?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hitech but wouldnt that "emergency" be like running for your life, or getting bounced then needing to dogfight so you drop them? Just like somebody would drop a DT or bomb in an "emergency". I see no reason for you to be so extreme on this issue while AH is very relaxed on many loadout options on many airplanes. Why care so much about that issue? Just gives us that option, and why not add a seperate 21cm rocket with the fuze set to detonate on impact for ground attack - just let that be an option in the hangar.
Comments HT?
The defense rests.
HiTech
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"And now once again just this statment will lead to another heated argument."
Hardly heated HT....
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We try look into any VALID discussion of flight modling that could be incorect, and have responded to some like the rocket pod jetison before.
That question is a choice on our part to make them not jetisonable, because all players would just jetison after use, and that is not how they were used. The jetison was for emergancy only, and not disposable. There for in an effort to be more realistic we chose not to have them jetisonable. And now once again just this statment will lead to another heated argument.
Yea, I figured that was the reasoning behind it. Course, you are right, thats why I wanted em jettisonable in the first place :).
I didn't know you had answered it before, or I wouldn't have posted a new question about it. I did a BBS search but only 2 threads came up.
Thanks for answering my question.
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I have to agree with HiTech,WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
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WTFG HiTech.
Karaya2
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HiTech:
1 - Looking for improvements to make your favorite plane better is perfectly reasobable when these improvements are going to make the sim more accurate and some players happier.
2 - IMO, If HTC is going to answer general doubts about some part of the simulation replying "we looked are that and it is ok (END)" is not enough, mainly when some customers have spent a lot of time just digging into documents and charts and posting here the results. I think this is a matter of replying with "That is ok/not ok BECAUSE blah blah blah" or just not replying.
3 - And most curious, I'm almost convinced my written english is far far better than yours. And I'm 100% convinced my written english is crap :D
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He doesnt need to watch for typos, he owns the place.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
3 - And most curious, I'm almost convinced my written english is far far better than yours.
Maybe so, but your comprehension needs alot of work.
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Hi Hitech,
>That question is a choice on our part to make them not jetisonable, because all players would just jetison after use, and that is not how they were used. The jetison was for emergancy only, and not disposable. There for in an effort to be more realistic we chose not to have them jetisonable.
Let me pull another game design axiom out of my hat ;-)
"Players don't like a hard limit, but they like a tough choice."
Aces High has a powerful point system that could be used to penalize rocket tube drops. If the penalty is adjusted so that players think twice (or thrice) about jettisoning the tubes, realism will be improved, and the players will have the satisfaction of being in control.
(Just a quick example ... I really haven't thought this through to the end :-)
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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I only see answers on questions that are IMO low on the list. What about the 152? What about the deck speed of the 190A5? What about different loadouts for the 190F8? What about impact warheads for the 21cm? If you want me to post all the data I have on the launchers having detonators for the release of the tubes I will go dig them up if that is what it takes to make them that way. I see threads that start off as offering information that get turned round into a Luftwaffe whine. It clearly shows what is going on here.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
...I'm almost convinced my written english is far far better than yours...
maybe, but dont start a sentence with a conjunction.
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Originally posted by HoHun
"Players don't like a hard limit, but they like a tough choice."
Perk da tubes ??? Lose them then lose the perks.......
Seems to meet requirements both sides.........so one day when it shuffles to the top of the list.................. I like it
Perk the third cannon on an La7?............or gondola's on the 109's? loose an AC with uber load out then lose the perks.........
maybe .......one day....... would be nice.....
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Great idea. I find the limited search available in this forum nearly useless for finding answers. I write querries for my database and it aint that hard http://biodiversity.georgetown.edu/searchfiles/fullsearch.cfm?genus=zzzzzzzzzz....
One thing you will notice if you check the link, is that the querries can be done in combination. So a querry of htc responses could be searched for by plane, date, person, keyword, rather than a 5 letter word....
Some kind of organized, searchable compilation of the HTC comments would be great. Maybe we could have a 'top ten' response list too, #1 being the little comment above in this thread! ;)
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It is extremely funny, we can launch the rockets in an emergency, but we cant drop the much cheaper tubes ...
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It is extremely funny that any response by HTC is never good enough nor is it understood by those it is directed towards.
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HT, while you are "fixing" the 190D and 152 "problems", could you please fix the Spit V turning radius? It does not turn tight enough for me! It should turn tighter.
I am also having problems with the Val stalling to quickly! I do not believe Vals stalled as quickly as they do in Aces High. This particular problem is practically making AH unplayable for me!! Please "fix" that too.
I am asking politely, so dont reply on this board. Just send me an e-mail to report your progress. Once these problems are "fixed" I got some more for ya!!
If you have to stop other things you may be doing for the rest of the community, then please do so, and fix the problems I have mentioned! Your cooperation in this particular matter is greatly appriciated.
Thank You and have a nice day!
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Originally posted by Sachs
What about the deck speed of the 190A5?
I believe it was HoHun that shot down the chart of the Fw190A-5 doing ~360mph on the deck as false. It boils down to the jury still being decisively out as far as the deck speed of the Fw190A-5 being off goes.
I would like to hear something about the lack of GM-1 boost on the Ta152H-1 as well.
I remember Pyro saying he wanted to add more loadouts for the Fw190F-8, but he just hadn't found the time and they didn't have the art assets yet.
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Originally posted by Mathman
It is extremely funny that any response by HTC is never good enough nor is it understood by those it is directed towards.
Amen.
I'm amazed he has so much hair left. I'm sure I'd have pulled all of mine out by now had I been in his position with respect to trying to satisfy the unsatisfiable.
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--- Toad: ---
...unsatisfiable...
--- end ---
I am very surprised if there isn't a pr0n flick by that name with a 1920s settings and lead character is Elliot Ness...
// fats
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You must be thinking of "Insatiable ".
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lol wow! imagine if you guys did actually have girlfriends how hard it would be to explain to them that unjettisonable rockets on your video game is what's getting you huffy - geez guys if you can't go outside at least crack a window ;)
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LOL!
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Originally posted by hitech
Hazed, let me lay it out for you. What funkedup is refering to in the squeeky wheel, is not that the items you disagree with in the game are the squeeky wheels, wrather that YOU are a squeeky wheel. The resone why are simple statements like this.
"The cooling times question i asked I tried my damndest to understand your explanation but I still dont have a clear indication of the reasons for the differing times in AH."
On that issue I answered you twice. Yet here we are at least a month later and you are once again squeeking about it.
We try look into any VALID discussion of flight modling that could be incorect, and have responded to some like the rocket pod jetison before.
That question is a choice on our part to make them not jetisonable, because all players would just jetison after use, and that is not how they were used. The jetison was for emergancy only, and not disposable. There for in an effort to be more realistic we chose not to have them jetisonable. And now once again just this statment will lead to another heated argument.
So now who is it that is causing the "TONE" of this type of statements?
"As i see it the whole tone of some of the threads is detrimental to AH as they often hint at HTC ignoring or avoiding the issues brought forward."
HTC by not spending the time holding the hands ,and giving a few squeeky players extra atention?
Or the "SQUEEKY" players who tend to only bring up items that would make there beloved planes better?
I'm not positive about this, but where in the last year have you posted an item where any LW plane is to good at somthing?
And if you realy belive that me answereing your first question would make an issue stop, I belive you are greatly mistaken.
The out come would be one of a few.
If I said yes, we are looking into it. Then we decided it's ok. You would come right back at us and argue some more that it's NOT ok.
If I said we have looked into it, and it's OK you would then bring the topic back up again in 2 weeks. Or just go away stomping your feet claming we don't care about accuracy.
A lot of the time the best way for us answere this stuff, is to not respond until we are positive we are going to change somthing.
Even then it can work out better if we just change it, and put it in the readme at release.
There was a post a few days back how incorect or ar234 was because it had a skid not wheels, should I imeaditly respond that we will look into it. Or that no you are mistaken, take time diging up the resources on which version had what to get into that discusion?
Please realize that when you belive that somthing is incorect the burden of proof lies with you, it is not our job to prove what we have is correct. The resone is simple, how many times and to many people would have to keep proving it.
HiTech
I understand what you are saying HT.You havent the time to repeat yourself on the same subjects to every new guy who posts.
However concerning the cooling you didnt finish your answer.perhaps you think we understood and so should drop it? if you go back and read the last few replies you will see all concerned failed to understand what you meant.I was not alone.Further more you say ho hun makes a great post but in it he states he doesnt understand the timings for the various planes.nothing is actually answered.
Well as dissapointed as i am about your assumptions about why I post and my motives I'll just put one point to you.
I read these forums a lot and I have NO CLUE as to whether you have ever answered a question regarding the 190s.The only info I have concerning your opinion on them is a post from a LONG way back by pyro saying he would look into 190f8 loadouts one day 'time permitting' I think were his words.After he said that i never asked about it again but I still often wonder if it will be changed.All other subjects concerning the 190s have no official HTC response in them as far as i can find.
I have seen quite a few posts where there are some great arguements and discussions concerning FM issues etc and many are unresolved.Now you claim you'd have to constantly repeat yourself to customers but if you look at the thread you give as an example it is in fact a customer who points out the other guys mistake.A customer tells him its the B version.
The point im trying to make is you claim i wont be satified with 'we've looked into it and its ok' when Ive never had the opertunity to decide that! If anyone else out there does know where its been answered PLEASE tell me where i can read it.
all i know as a customer, AND im SURE there are others like me is that i see post after post concerning LW planes(and other types!) and they are rarely IF EVER answered.Thats why they keep popping up again and again.
Ok so maybe in a year or two i'll finally leave AH and along comes a new customer who asks the same things.Well I guess its tough for you to have to say 'we've looked into it and its ok' all over again but is it really that much for us to ask of you??? half the time another customer would answer anyway or even point them to the old thread where you did answer.You act as if you have already told us the answers and that we are making you repeat yourself when ive yet to actually find any.
I thought the idea of this forum is to comunicate with your customers a bit and see what their ideas or gripes are, to have us do some of the research into various issues?
You want us to post what we have found and not to expect a reply until its either changed or disputed? even if you think we have correct info you wont post just to say its interesting to you or usable?
I can understand that maybe we have become a little too familiar with you guys and expect too much concerning your time but I have to say this HT thats one of the reasons this game has held my interest.The fact that if i do tests and find fault im allowed to ask you guys about it is a MAJOR plus point in favour of your game.The idea is to help you get a great and accurate game not to annoy you.
also I have to say im bitterly dissapointed HT.You basically claim i have no other interest than making the 190 some kind of superplane and then using nothing but it to play your game.I play all aspects of AH and ive loved playing it from the start way back in beta days.Im really offended by your veiw on my character.Its quite obvious to me you dont have a clue what i play this game for.
I dont know HT, perhaps your attitude is justified, maybe you have gone through all this before in warbirds? maybe you have to say this to a new customer all the time but I would say 'thems the breaks' of running a company myself.Im just a customer asking about a plane he likes to fly and you shouldnt forget that.I dont have a clue about what went on 3 or 4 years ago in another game and you should not attribute traits from those x customers to me.All ive seen since i found AH is that I really did choose the wrong plane to like when i picked the 190.Ive had nothing but grief and abuse when i ask about them since then.I think ive finally come to the point where i dont really care if its right or wrong.Its not worth the frustrations like those caused when i just read your reply.
I have a reply at last it seems and for me it is enough.I'll stick to talking history and making AH avi's or something.The whole research/testing area I think ill give up on.It a real shame too as ive bought many books just to research subjects brought up in here.That was a major part of the whole AH experience.I joined for a game and got interested in the science side and the whole learning experience concerning ACM and performances.with that side taken away I wonder if it will hold as much appeal.
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Sachs, GRUN-
21cm rockets have an impact fuse already.
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Wow, did that catch fire!
Folks, just cool down a bit. How do you like Aces High? Why are you here?
I think that most of us agree that AH is about the best ww2 flight sim yet, especially in the field of Flight Modelling.
HTC also seem to listen to suggestions and hints and be ready to take them into the gameplay. The result is what we know as Aces High today.
This thread is a bit over the top in my opinion. Turned into a plane vs. plane bashing anyway. So, the 190 a5 is a tad to slow at sea level in a "perhaps" level. Post the proof in the Q and A forum, rather than squeeking like this :D
Since our forum also has many creative people above, I'd also like to comment on HoHun's idea:
"Aces High has a powerful point system that could be used to penalize rocket tube drops. If the penalty is adjusted so that players think twice (or thrice) about jettisoning the tubes, realism will be improved, and the players will have the satisfaction of being in control. "
Very nice idea, and perhaps useable to stuff some grease into the squeakers. BUY a jettisonable tube, Buy a NEW engine into your 190, BUY 150 octane fuel into your Spit9, and BUY them wingtips off, BUY a tallboy for your Lancaster, BUY a Glider for your goon, etc etc.
It all comes down to gameplay really.....
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We did a quick calculation of the 190A-5 deck speed based on the info posted. The conclusion was that a ~360mph didn't make aerodynamic sense.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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HiTech doesn't have time to go over every plane and give it it's lil' foibles and specifics... why should the LW planes be any different?
-SW
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This wasn't for LW planes specifically.
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Obviously..
"Will you look into the 190a5's modeling or the ta152s modeling? (are the plans for changes to any 190s?)"
(Yes, it was only about LW planes)
-SW
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No, it means it was about whichever planes the particular user flies, not Lwhine theory again.
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It's quite evident the reason this thread was started.
Planes that were not of the LW denomination were not part of the reason for this thread.
You can try and twist it, but it's clear as day in the first post of this thread.
-SW
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I permit myself to take out my keyboard to type my miscontentment:
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHH"
Voila, c'est tout. T'as rien compris comme d'habitude. ad nauseum quiproquo of internet bulletin board alter egos.
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I think I am starting to comprehend the word "Luftwhiner".
hmm. Interesting.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
HiTech doesn't have time to go over every plane and give it it's lil' foibles and specifics... why should the LW planes be any different?
-SW
As far as I know, that is matter of Pyro. And take note, some of us are older than 10 years old. LOL, we are able to crah an entire formation of 12 Lancasters just to take off ASAP with goons and jabos against enemy bases, but we cant drop launch tubes because realism concerns ... ... well, yersterday a lot of lancs were crashed, and three bases were conquered by rooks just crashing planes and taking off with jabos and goons. Surely 10 Lancs are cheaper than some pairs of launch tubes.
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Sometimes don't act older than 10 years old....
Pyro... HiTech.. doesn't matter, they both have a lot of stuff they have to get done to satisfy more people than solely the LW contingent.
What's the reliability rate for jettisoning the launch tubes? I don't imagine you'd be too happy be able to jettison your launch tubes, when one stays on and creates helluva lot more drag on one wing and you can barely make a coordinated turn...
And geezus... they are launch tubes, the Wgr21s are pretty much useless, only 2 and they only go so far.
-SW
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Originally posted by moot
Sachs, GRUN-
21cm rockets have an impact fuse already.
Since when Moot? I have not read or seen this yet.
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Originally posted by Sachs
Since when Moot? I have not read or seen this yet.
The rocket does explode on contact you just cant see it sachs.
Try it.
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Originally posted by Imp
The rocket does explode on contact you just cant see it sachs.
Try it.
A squadie of mine swears to that also. I havn't tried it much lately as carrying the tubes after launch seems...unclean:)
Regarding the tubes...I don't see much difference in between them and bombs/drop tanks.
Any fighter saddled with bombs or drop tanks will drop them when engaged with enemy fighters. That goes for the game as well as for real life. Allied rockets as well get jettisoned during a fighter/fighter engagement. The only difference between Allied rockets and LW rockets is that the LW rockets tubes were designed to be jettisonable where as the Allied rocket rails were not.
I fail to see the logic.
btw HT, did ya look at that damage model on the B26 yet :D
How about that extra manifold pressure needle on engine 2 for the Bf110?
I know...I'll be quite now:p
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Squeek? .....
I don't squeek. I tend to chirp maybe even bleep.....but im sure i dont squeek.
:D
Hrmmm...lets see, positive things about LW planes....
The 109 series of A/C in game are absolutly wonderful to fly. Each having its own unique personality traits.
The 190 Series: 190A-5= cannons with wings strapped on. :D
190A-8= Bigger Cannons with wings strapped on
190F-8= Cannons with wings and now BOMBs :D
190D-9= Luv at first sight. Mustang/La-7 killer ;)
The Ta-152: Awesome...absolutly AWESOME....wonderful to fly. Big cannons and wonderful performance and doesnt drop like a rock when engine goes kapoot :) and one more thing
Zoom Zoom....
The 110 series: Aint nothing better to kill things with...Bombers go poof and ground objects go boom when they're around :eek:
Ar-234: Zoom zoom...BOOM BANG dar dead troops porked...zoom...RTB
Ju-88s : :D it can do anything allies can do but better and faster.
Need a ship sunk? No problem. Need a field hit? No problem. How about some dive bombing? Can do says the Junkers :D
Me-262: Two turbines, and 4x30mm guns all traveling at 400+ mph. Zoooooom Zoooooooom;)
when we get the Me-163...heheheh all i got say is, UP UP AND AWAAYYYYY!!!!!
If we get the Stuka...all you'll hear is the sirens of doom diving from above to drop happy eggs on you. Or the slow methodical Boom boom boom of two 37mm guns hammering at your armour.
Cant wait...this game keeps getting better and better, Thanks HTC ;)
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Originally posted by Sachs
Since when Moot? I have not read or seen this yet.
Try this, takes up a fighter (109 works best) with the wg21, get some speed, then brake and you plane should start to nose over
fire your rockets
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I remember watchign as 50+ users left FA 2.5 because of the way the luftwaffe rides were modeled. It wasn't fixed until the very last patch, but many left and went on to other online sims. AH WW2online and such. I watched as whole LW squds vanished from there. Data was shown and proven, it has been shown here, and I am not saying things won't be fixed. BUt a nice response of we are looking into it would suffice.
Things that should be addressed.
21 cm rockets explode on impact, and tubes jettisonable.
FW190 F8 loadout options. I am sorry but 4 50kg bombs are not reason enough to drop its perk value to 25. When a fully loaded A8 which is better in every respect and higher eny value.
MW-50/Gm-1 switch. This would just kick ass. Oh and please dont forget to include the performance that it gave. (Please see Ta-152 for this)
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AG... the 21 cm rockets DO explode on impact. I'll have to grab 4-5 of you guys and bring you to the DA to try em out.
While I would like the tubes to be jettisonable, I'll accept Hitechs reason that they can't be because of gameplay reasons. After all, what would be the negative effect of taking the rockets if you could just fire the rockets and jettison the tubes? There wouldn't be one. If you take ordinance in any other plane, the 'rails' or whatever are still modeled even after you get rid of the ordinance, so there is a penalty for taking rockets and bombs even if you jettison the ordinance early. By the way, you'll never know how hard it was to type this as drunk as I am, without any spelling errors. I had to concentrate really really hard, and erase a lot of stuff and go back :).
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Originally posted by Sachs
I remember watchign as 50+ users left FA 2.5 because of the way the luftwaffe rides were modeled. It wasn't fixed until the very last patch, but many left and went on to other online sims. AH WW2online and such. I watched as whole LW squds vanished from there. Data was shown and proven, it has been shown here, and I am not saying things won't be fixed. BUt a nice response of we are looking into it would suffice.
There's a reason they are called LuftWhiners... if they don't get their way, they run out the door screaming and crying.
Take your lumps and get over it, no plane is modelled within 90% of being historically accurate... why EXACTLY should the LW planes be given special attention?
Because their egos are too frail to lose in the horribly undermodelled rides against horribly overmodelled allied rides?
-SW
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F4UDOA has posted many many many theories on how the F4U is undermodelled, often very persistently, with data, charts, speculations, and logic much simular in the manner maybe Hazed, Wilbus, or Nuadet would post about the 190.
I've yet to see his thread turn into a "Allied vs Luftwaffe" bashing fiasco.
Why?
Because, somehow, as far as I can remember, many of what F4UDOA speculated and theorized were proven wrong or insufficient in data(while ofcourse, they were still interesting and informative) and yet not one single guy came inside the thread and started bashing him about "how one cannot take his lumps and get over it, not realizing that no plane is modelled within 90% of being historically accurate... and not realizing that there isn't any reason the plane of his interest should be given special attention". F4UDOA still posts about the Corsairs with persistent passion and affection towards the plane with out being harrassed by the "anti-whiners" carrying a noose with a devasting intent for mental lynching.
It was so easy to degenerate his thread into something like this one by taunting and sneering upon his "whinings" and yet, LW fans did not choose to do so. They had no special interest in the F4U series, and they felt it was unnecessary. If someone wants to prove a point, or an answer towards mysteries and questions behind a planes performance it is perfectly normal to post on this board requesting them.
Maybe the real "conspiracy" lies in this forgery of the existence of some strange concept called "luftwhiners", because, there's no such thing. Maybe some smart-prettythang decided give a name to the group he intended to personally mock out in the open, but one thing is for certain, all sorts of people research, question, criticize, and request data about all sorts of planes.
Only one certain group of those people were given a "name", which has been stereo-typed and laughed upon for ages. Which became so strong that even the people that were accused and mocked upon somehow began to associate each other in such bogus terms.
If that ain't a conspiracy, what is?
ps) In simple words, where were you when Karnak posted about Mossies, or F4UDOA posted about La-7s and F4Us? Any particular reason you choose to show up and mock people at threads which concern only certain types of planes, when many other people are also doing exactly the same type of actions you antagonize?
Dung and flies share a mutual relationship. Maybe people are getting addicted to unreasonable hostilities towards each other. Whatever the reason, the whole outcome of the "Luftwhiner wars" heavily involve your presence on these boards. Don't speak as if you are a third-person observer. If the "Luftwhiners" really exist, and they are such a pathetic bunch, you have a lot to do with them too, Wulfe.
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Kweassa, notice how long I waited to reply to this thread.
Notice how very FEW LW-related threads I post to in the first place Kweassa.
Of course, when it's me who points out who LuftWhiners are (hint: read that paragraph I quoted), you decide to post a sermon on how it's my fault or everyone's out to get the poor LW guys.. or how come I don't post to Karnak's thread or F4UDOA's thread.
Still, I prefer German aircraft over everything else... I just happen to not complain about it.
-SW
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Originally posted by Kweassa
F4UDOA has posted many many many theories on how the F4U is undermodelled, often very persistently, with data, charts, speculations, and logic much simular in the manner maybe Hazed, Wilbus, or Nuadet would post about the 190.
I've yet to see his thread turn into a "Allied vs Luftwaffe" bashing fiasco.
Why?......
....because some people got beat up in school allot so they enjoy jumping on any bashing-bandwagon they can find. Makes'em feel all warm and fuzzy inside. This boards full of'em.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Kweassa, notice how long I waited to reply to this thread.
Notice how very FEW LW-related threads I post to in the first place Kweassa.
Of course, when it's me who points out who LuftWhiners are (hint: read that paragraph I quoted), you decide to post a sermon on how it's my fault or everyone's out to get the poor LW guys.. or how come I don't post to Karnak's thread or F4UDOA's thread.
Still, I prefer German aircraft over everything else... I just happen to not complain about it.
-SW
oh yeah a real angel you are SW lol
you know full well kweassa has made a valid point in what he said.
Im asking HTC this question so I can lay my questions to rest. I read books on 190s and find every now and then remarks or figures that suggest we have something missing.I post in the hope that it will be looked at and THATS IT! but im called whiner or as HT put it im 'only interested in having a super plane', even the head of the company is accusing me of things.
because im talking about the 190?? could it really be that?
If we dont post info to improve the planes or make em more accurate then what are we doing it for?
HTC chooses not to say if they have taken a look at the 190 with concerns to whats been posted and again we , FANS of a LW plane (god forbid) still dont know if any of the stuff we've found has been looked at or mulled over by HTC.although i guess now it must have been? then again maybe they ignore it as annoying customers they choose to ignore as squeeky wheels?
Well I used to enjoy this forum when we discuss things we find.I remember the 190a8 climbrate discussion we had SW and you posted what you had and i did the same. The thread was a good one and in the end we all agreed the 190a8 seemed to fit BETWEEN the numbers we had and so it was pretty fair if it was averaged by HTC.
BUT over 25k there was a huge gulf between what was in the books and what i found in AH.I actually got fed up timing the climb over 30k in AH because it went into huge times! 3 or 4 times the amount stated in the book i gave reference to (capt.Browns).
So we settled MOST of it but not all. was it ever replied to? no
do we know if the climb rate is right or wrong according to HTC's info? no of course we dont.
all i know is i have a book from an RAF test pilot that says one thing and an AH model that doesnt fit.Still now i dont fly it up to 30k so its all ok right? yeah right thats great! :(
Same thing with the 190a5 stuff. Loads of theories as to whether the info posted is correct but still no word on what HTC thought of it all. Only from customers who say its all nonsense.
The loadout options for the 190f8 was answered about a year ago by pyro i believe, although i never found the thread, but apparently he said it would be looked into 'time permitting'.
but a year later almost and ive given up on it ever coming.
I just wanted to know what was happening.Im fed up with wondering as im sure loads of others are.It was a simple request but I just got blasted for doing it.
so posting to HTC on LW is just another squeeky wheel to them? without the interest i had in the info /researching/ charts we find here and there etc and then passing it on to post in here I think i'll lose most of the interest in AH i once had.Im severely disapointed by attitudes toward the planes i like.I really wish i loved p51s cause life would be a lot easier.
For me Ive lost a good part of my AH fun now i know this posting by me is all but ignored. really was nice to hear that ! :(
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Only about five of you luftwhiners luftwhine.
Hundreds (thousands?) of other customer want HTC to concentrate on thier job. Not holding your hands and tell you it's going to be all better.
Cripes even when they do waste their time pointing out how your FM theories are wrong you still bring the same toejam up next month.
Thank you, but I perfer for Pyro to work on 1.11. Wait for the read me. The rest of us have to.
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Hazed, you don't bring up one issue just once.... it's repeated ad nauseum, and when HiTech finally answers you... the thread continues about how you feel you should be answered, and things are still missing, and you'd like answers... not to mention you take his words out of context and flip them around so that it looks like he's against you too.
No, indeed it isn't the 190 or the 109.. it's the subtle roadkill that fills virtually every thread regarding the LW planes...
Tumor, I'm sure you were one of those kids.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Tumor, I'm sure you were one of those kids.
-SW
LOL!!! My aren't WE getting defensive!
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Hazed, you don't bring up one issue just once.... it's repeated ad nauseum, and when HiTech finally answers you... the thread continues about how you feel you should be answered, and things are still missing, and you'd like answers... not to mention you take his words out of context and flip them around so that it looks like he's against you too.
No, indeed it isn't the 190 or the 109.. it's the subtle roadkill that fills virtually every thread regarding the LW planes...
Tumor, I'm sure you were one of those kids.
-SW
youre full of toejam SW.
Show me a thread where hes answered a question ive posed. And i dont mean show me where he's replied. Show me an actual understood answer.Better yet you show us how you have understood it and explain it yourself.
If you are refering to the cooling thread then im afraid if you read the end you'll see no one understood the reply.Therefore it isnt an answer.We understood that things had to be set up for the sake of a game but we were never told why the difference in timings.That was the question posed.
If you are refering to some other subject then be specific and name it.
'subtle roadkill that fill every thread regarding LW planes'? well that really says it all doesnt it.
This thread was a waste of time, undoubtedly for you and others but for several of us it may have opened our eyes to certain attitudes.I know it has for me.
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STFU hazed... yur gonna break a wheel on SW's wagon.
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wulf are you payed for this ?
man it looks really suspicious how you react ,if you not payed then go away it looks like obsession :p
about the Luftwhiner , well , be careful or you will fight only and se only alied planes one day, and about what customer can and cant, :confused:
for example, i still pay my subscription but not playing much like before, and just go this way then i will realy not have reason to play anymore AH, and seems this aply also to other ,, luftwhiners,,
and any other remarks on my person only in Slovak langue, if you cant ,go and learn some :p
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Originally posted by Angus
I think I am starting to comprehend the word "Luftwhiner".
hmm. Interesting.
to the point, HT DOES read these posts....at the outset of 1.10, a few hog drivers mentioned the FM of the corsair, we all believed it to be more sluggish than usual.
HT replied after a week or so, informing the thread "No changes have been made to the Corsair FM." Period. End of discussion. You don't see us guys squeaking and oaning about the drag coeffecient, wing point issue, climb rate concerns, and a host of other things we can take issue with.
What part of HT's explanation do you LW's not understand, or accept?
Sheesh, the LW rides are at the top of the charts in most categories, so lighten up, will ya? It seems that for every Sopwith Camel or FM2 adjustment, you guys want to adjust the top speed of the 262 or revisit the possibility of adding two 37MM's on a 190 that some long forgotten German engineer thought up in a wet dream! The war's over, you lost, so play the cards you're dealt. If you hot shots are so damn good, why do you need more things stacked in your favor? :eek:
BTW, don't take this too much to heart, LW's, it's only a game...isint it? :):D
Sorry for the rant...My horse died this morning and I'm all pissed off now LOL
Gainsie
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Dude, that sucks. I don't like horses much, but I'm sorry yours died.
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redtail youre doing exatly the same toejam. Im not of the opinion that LW planes were/are/should be the best.I dont appreciate your inference that i idolise the germans because I feel they should have won the war.Comments like that make me twice as angry as you could possibly be at this moment.
As for your example of the F$u query I think you need to re READ this post.
the fact you said you got a CLEAR and UNDERSTANDABLE answer to your questions on the F4U within TWO WEEKS is precisely why I find it so hard to understand why there has been no answer on the 190 question for MONTHS.
Oh and please post a link to the thread where we asked for an increase in the 262's speed.
Jesus, all i wanted was a hint at whether HTC was looking into the 190s. The idea was to end this ENDLESS bickering and moaning at people like me who HAPPEN TO LIKE THE 190 and want to see it running the same as the information we find.
All this roadkill about us ranting on about it really pisses me off to be honest. The only reason the threads and questions get repeated is that they are never answered or customers like you who have no idea about what is going on stick your oar in and stir the pot.Throwing a few insults in just to spice up your arguments, draw a little anger out and the thread degenerates into this crap.Me trying to tell you youre wrong and you then calling me names for getting so worked up.
WELL guess what. we are not NAZI's or followers of Germany, we dont long for the good old days of war or whatever other roadkill you want to believe.We merely fly an aircraft in a game that just so happens to have a lot of amazinhunks who like to throw insults at anyone who flies it.
Its a game like you said. LW and IJN are the 'bad guys' in this GAME. same as the 'empire' would be if we were playing Starwars.If you got such a problem with people flying LW planes then i suggest you ask HTC to remove them from the game.
Do us all a favour. Jees if HTC did remove them I'd have no reason to stay here and i could leave :) The problem is I love this game and i like flying 190s and other planes.I must like it cause i put up with the kind of crap youre spewing.
oh and sorry to hear your horse died.That was definately NOT down to the 'Luftwhiners'
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redtail youre doing exatly the same toejam. Im not of the opinion that LW planes were/are/should be the best.I dont appreciate your inference that i idolise the germans because I feel they should have won the war.Comments like that make me twice as angry as you could possibly be at this moment.
As for your example of the F$u query I think you need to re READ this post.
the fact you said you got a CLEAR and UNDERSTANDABLE answer to your questions on the F4U within TWO WEEKS is precisely why I find it so hard to understand why there has been no answer on the 190 question for MONTHS.
Oh and please post a link to the thread where we asked for an increase in the 262's speed.
Jesus, all i wanted was a hint at whether HTC was looking into the 190s. The idea was to end this ENDLESS bickering and moaning at people like me who HAPPEN TO LIKE THE 190 and want to see it running the same as the information we find.
All this roadkill about us ranting on about it really pisses me off to be honest. The only reason the threads and questions get repeated is that they are never answered or customers like you who have no idea about what is going on stick your oar in and stir the pot.Throwing a few insults in just to spice up your arguments, draw a little anger out and the thread degenerates into this crap.Me trying to tell you youre wrong and you then calling me names for getting so worked up.
WELL guess what. we are not NAZI's or followers of Germany, we dont long for the good old days of war or whatever other roadkill you want to believe.We merely fly an aircraft in a game that just so happens to have a lot of amazinhunks who like to throw insults at anyone who flies it.
Its a game like you said. LW and IJN are the 'bad guys' in this GAME. same as the 'empire' would be if we were playing Starwars.If you got such a problem with people flying LW planes then i suggest you ask HTC to remove them from the game.
Do us all a favour. Jees if HTC did remove them I'd have no reason to stay here and i could leave :) The problem is I love this game and i like flying 190s and other planes.I must like it cause i put up with the kind of crap youre spewing.
oh and sorry to hear your horse died.That was definately NOT down to the 'Luftwhiners'
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Show me where HiTech answers every thread Hazed. That's exactly the problem, he doesn't, yet you seem to think he owes you something and needs to reply to everyone of your threads or everything regarding LW.
He gave you an explanation of why certain things aren't done, why he doesn't reply to everyone of the threads and then he even went on to explain what would happen even if he did answer you- that being you wouldn't be satisfied.
It's just a neverending cycle, always proposing that something needs fixing then claims that if it weren't LW it would be fixed, then of course the demands to be answered, and when you aren't- you get all huffy- or when you are, you aren't satisfied with it and persist with the issue.
That's the subtle roadkill that you can find in virtually any LW thread. Starts off ok, gains speed and momentum then hits a wall with subtle BS... such as allied planes getting benefits, while LW planes get screwed and other such nonsense.
I've pointed it in those threads before, I have no desire to waste my time typing in search words to find them all... it ain't that hard... just type in "190" and you'll see it... and hell, you did it right here in this thread:
"This thread was a waste of time, undoubtedly for you and others but for several of us it may have opened our eyes to certain attitudes."
People like you, Mandoble, and other "proponents" of LW planes do more harm than good. Sure you bring facts... and are persistent but then you take it to far and the accusations start, the conspiracy theory crops up, and people like Minus post incoherrent rants with absolutely no facts to base them on.
Plenty of times LW fans have been answered, remember the 1 ping engine bug? RAM found it, and it got fixed <- imagine that.
And you still don't get it Hazed, I didn't call anyone in this thread a Luftwhiner (although a few have earned it)... I was referring to that paragraph I quoted. I even stated that in a follow-up post.
The idea was to end this ENDLESS bickering and moaning at people like me who HAPPEN TO LIKE THE 190 and want to see it running the same as the information we find.
Everyone wants to see their preferred plane 100% accurate... it just ain't gonna happen, especially when HTC has to concentrate on hundreds of different aircraft from different countries.
Like I said, why should the LW be so different?
Tumor- you are a hypocrite.
-SW
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I just tried out the turn radius on the Spit V. HTC still has not fixed it!
Going back in now, to once again, test the stall of the Val! It better be fixed!!
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I like Fw-190s.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Tumor- you are a hypocrite.
-SW
ROFL! Even better SW. What'd you have to think about that one? Well sticks and stones to you!
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Hazed:
Jesus, all i wanted was a hint at whether HTC was looking into the 190s.
HiTech:
We try look into any VALID discussion of flight modling that could be incorect
Hazed:
The idea was to end this ENDLESS bickering and moaning at people like me who HAPPEN TO LIKE THE 190 and want to see it running the same as the information we find
HiTech:
And if you realy belive that me answereing your first question would make an issue stop, I belive you are greatly mistaken.
HiTech
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You guys just need to fly more different types of A/C...limiting yourself to one type makes a you dependent thus limiting your abilities...as a famous WB ace used to say:
"There are a million pilots that are excellent in one or two plane types,....there are only a handful of pilots that are excellent in ALL plane types"
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
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BTW, don't take this too much to heart, LW's, it's only a game...isint it? :):D
Gainsie [/B]
Well, Hazed, I guess for some, it's not.
You took my post WAY too seriously...no need for profanity, either..
Happy Holidays!
Gainsie
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Hazed...if you clear your head of the Fog, you can see that HTC has answered your question more than once...you just seem to not like the answer or don't understand it.
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Hazed, do you remember when 190A5 was introduced in AH? Several people posted here whining about its uberness, and it was tonedown at light speed.
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Ahh good to know the conspiricy theory is alive and well.
Just love how some guys just don't see the hole past the shovel.
HiTech
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How to some it's not clear yet that HT & co know there's no other way to "please everyone" but making everything (they release) within their reach perfect and/or unreproachable considering the demands and/or requirements is strange.
Too bad SW is the guy with both luftwhiner in every post and common sense on what HTC can and can't be spilling beans on anything each time it's brought up.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hitech but wouldnt that "emergency" be like running for your life, or getting bounced then needing to dogfight so you drop them? Just like somebody would drop a DT or bomb in an "emergency". I see no reason for you to be so extreme on this issue while AH is very relaxed on many loadout options on many airplanes. Why care so much about that issue? Just gives us that option, and why not add a seperate 21cm rocket with the fuze set to detonate on impact for ground attack - just let that be an option in the hangar.
Comments HT?
GRUNHERZ,
Based on what I've read about the german high commands feelings regarding the air war in 1944 you'd really have to have a good reason to jettison those pods. The 190 pilots were under orders to ram once they ran out of ammo if they hadn't seriously damaged there target bomber and ran out of ammo. Amazingly they had about a 50% survival rate. My understanding isthat this policy was in place till about late Nov of 44. To me this is a very valid "gameplay" decision. Based on what I've read the P51 is seriously undermodeled in some ways. I'd say that all attempts are being made to build the various planes out "according to the numbers".
I think the various threads regarding "missing" planes in the set is much more valid. The Ki-84 and P-39 are obvious needs. Like many I'd like to see the P-63 added as well.
As for the depth of the LW plane set, it accurately mirrors what was readily used. Truthfully we should have the spitXIV and the tempest perk free vs the 190D9 and 109G10 if you want to compare things historically. Those were the 4 major combatants in the tactical airwar in Jan 45.
Finally, the G10 is still the toughest nut to crack in the game...truely afighter for the ages.