Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: lord dolf vader on November 25, 2002, 02:33:38 AM
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can you imagin the look on the first german soldiers faces when they saw one of these.
russians rule lol.
http://www.battlefield.ru/library/bookshelf/aerosani/aerosan.html
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WOW
very.....James Bond'ish :D
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How do you steer that thing?
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Snowmobiles usually have skies that can move left and right I think
:D
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Originally posted by ra
How do you steer that thing?
The forward skis have a steering mechanism.
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u steer it the way you would steer any snowmobile...
and yes...probably there faces were what mine was like...crazy russians trying to kill the nazis with laughter
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Nothing to laugh about, those snowmobiles.
Very fast, very mobile. Able to insert troops quickly. They were used in the Finnish front from the winter 41-42 forwards and were at times large scale problem, even so that the Air Force bombers flew missions against snowmobile bases. Also patrol aircraft and fighters were used to search and kill the snowmobiles.
You're just showing that you have very little knowlegde about winter fighting by laughing. Winter fighting is not the same as in warm summer or Normandy'44.
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Were the Finnish snow mobiles propellor driven? That is what is amusing about this design. It would be surprising if this design ever made it off the drawing board. It looks like a fun toy to drive around on a frozen lake, but for manuevering across a winter battlefield, treads would be better than a propellor in almost every way.
ra
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Guess question is about how complicated/expensive/heavy technology do you want to use:
Skis are easy to manufacture and engine doesn't need a gear-box. Cheap to build and at same time very fast.
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They look efficient. My only observation is that a prop guard like they have on the swamp boats might have been in order. You dont want to hit a rough patch at speed and get thrown from your seat :)
Charon
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btw those things have evolved to Hydrocopters, They're very good when you need to use same vehicle in snow, water, ice and some can be driven in roads too with retractable wheels.
One used by Finnish Frontier Guard:
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btw 150hp, top speed over 100kmh on ice or hard snow.
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Another model:
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Well, here are some disadvantages of props vs treads:
-props will create torque, making steering difficult at low speeds where skis can't generate enough turn. There is no rudder on this Russian design.
-props create a huge amount of noise
-props will blow a cloud of snow behind them, making detection easier
-a prop will disintegrate if it strkes a tree or the ground
-a prop is dangerous
-in some weather conditions a prop will get iced up and lose thrust
The only advantage to a prop is that it will create thrust no matter how slippery the ground is.
ra
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Don't laugh too much, just remember how efficient the Florida everglade prop driven boats are....
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not to be in any way critical of these machines but were they capable of operanting off of hard packed level snow and frozen lakes like a snowmobile ? i was under the impression they were used as a nich weapon on frozen lakes where the germans would really have a hell of a time fighting them with conventional vehicals. 10 or 20 vehicals each with heavy machine guns going 100km got to be a hell of a suprise.
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10 or 20 vehicals each with heavy machine guns going 100km got to be a hell of a suprise.
Not if the Germans see and hear them 5 minutes before they are in range. It would not be much more effective than a cavalry charge.
It would make an interesting video game: Sled Blasters.
ra
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Yea, I imagine the faces of the Germans were grinning from ear to ear at the sight of the Ruskie Snowmobiles (that they heard and saw coming for 5 min. on the flat Russian Tundra) as they looked over the sights of their 20mm Flak Cannon and 75mm Tank Guns. PAYBACK TIME.
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i doubt anyone grins when they realize their enemy is more mobile than they are and its dark out 18 hours a day
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Whgates has a good point. Also, YOU try hitting a vehicle with a 75mm cannon from over a kilometer when it's travelling at 100 km/h (62 mph) and steering to evade fire. Not like you'd really need to use these against tanks anyway when all you have are machineguns.