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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hitech on November 26, 2002, 10:18:14 AM
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Normally we do not post on items dealing with cheating, and player accounts suspension but feel I must on this issue.
We were just locking DmdBT's account for cheating when he immediately called and filled us in that he was just posting a troll.
Cheating is something we take extremely seriously at HTC. Had DmdBT not immediately called us, filled us in what was up, and was extremely apologetic, really nice guy on the phone. He would have never come back to AH.
As it is, he still ends up with a 1-month suspension just for the troll on cheating.
The alt tab is something we tested extensively early on to make sure it didn't induce warping. There is a substantial amount of cheat detection built in to AH. But like anything thing we can't always think of everything in advance. So just his one post was already causing me to stop what I was currently working on, and try to duplicate what he posted he was doing. Already was trying to come up with defenses for something that didn't exist.
To sum it up some things are not trolling or joking maters. Cheating is one of them.
HiTech
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Bottom line: Never cry "FIRE" in a crowded movie theatre.
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Hoooooooray for official explanations! :D
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Originally posted by hitech
The alt tab is something we tested extensively early on to make sure it didn't induce warping. There is a substantial amount of cheat detection built in to AH.
On my home LAN, I have no fewer than 4 desktop PC's and a laptop piped in through a broadband cable connection. Even still, I can bring the whole network to a crawl by queuing up 10 or 15 huge FTP uploads to choke my "up" pipeline using the different computers on the LAN. Because it's a switched network, the full bandwidth of all transfers is honored. The 10BaseT interface on the cable modem slows to a crawl.
And that's doing it the hard way.
A swift hacker might simply throttle their "upward" TCP/IP packets to produce artificial network latency.
Personally, I believe that even dial-ups are capable of pings under 500ms even during demanding play sequences. HTC might want to consider locating the "breakover point" at which latency effects warping, and cause the target's "hit bubble" to become progressively larger as this ping time increases beyond this "breakover point". That way, anyone invoking lag and warping as a defensive maneauver will be presenting their persuers with a screen-sized target to shoot at.
While DmdBT might have smooth-talked his way out of conviction on this particular Troll, please keep in mind, HTC, that there is a consensus among the majority of players here that people are indeed effecting warps as a defensive tactic. I've seen it two or three times in the past month alone. It's an issue that should definitely be addressed from within the system.
Casper
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I don't get it.
Won't the game simply drop you if your ping falls below a certain level?
Sorta like a Disco?
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>>To sum it up some things are not trolling or joking maters. Cheating is one of them. <<
How about that for a parameter? :D
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I don't get it.
Won't the game simply drop you if your ping falls below a certain level?
Sorta like a Disco?
No. Packet loss will get you, though--I routinely have played w/ over 2000-5000ms pings via modem w/ no packet loss. Since getting wireless, pings down to under 200ms, but packet loss can still disco me. I run ping plotter in the background of AH, so when I get screen freezes or wierd warps, I alt-tab back out to see the packet loss displayed in ping plotter and then raise Cain with the ISP.
dh
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Originally posted by Casper
Personally, I believe that even dial-ups are capable of pings under 500ms even during demanding play sequences. [/i]
I'm on a dial up w/ 56K connect and rarely get pings over 175. When I do, its that damn sprintlink hosing up the works...
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Modas is absolutely correct... A 56k modem at say a average 44k connect can easily ping under 200ms... (44kbits is alot of info per second...)
The problem is that most people dont understand Binding or retransmittal of protocols, and that could slow them down.
If your using a 56k Modem uncheck all other protocols and make shure you are using small packet size, not auto.....
By using small packets if one is lost, the amount of data lost is little so when that packet gets retrans the amout of data being stalled by retrans is small.....
Even DSL T1's can benefit by using small packets.... (all connections can suffer packet loss)
Small packets = good gaming....
Large packets = good bandwith thruput.... (exp: FTP, video conferencing, etc..)
My 2 cents...
DoctorYO
PS : No mercy for cheaters....
"Aunte we want justice,........ We want Thunderdome...." (Master Blaster)
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isnt what dmbt trolled about doing not to much unlike the paused porn downloads in the background that some people unpause once there on the receiving end of 20mm hispano fire???
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:(
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So just his one post was already causing me to stop what I was currently working on, and try to duplicate what he posted he was doing.
Thanks for wasting his time you dweeb :mad:
release of version 1.11 has just been delayed :(
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Viff, personal attacks are against the rules as well.
:mad:
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where is this list of rules? & why is it not mandatory that they be aknowledged before access to post? I'm SURE I have already broken many as I did not know there were any.
Anton
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Good question, especially with penalties like account suspension for a month.
It'd be nice to know ahead of time before you make a mistake of that magnitude.
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I agree Kanth, Viff should refrain from personal attacks, in his defence, he just said what everyone else was thinking.
Conn
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Cheating is cause for permanent banning and rightly so. Left unchecked it will destroy a game. Manipulating the game as DmdBT claimed that he did is cheating. Causing others to believe that he is cheating even if only a troll can have the same damaging effect. He got off very lucky imo.
My $.02
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Thanks alot for responding on this matter HT. I agree with Iron that he got off lucky. The stupidity of the post is obvious. All the various gameplay issues raised on these boards are one thing but when someone comes on and says they cheat, that is a different matter.
HT, well done.
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Qwitcherwhining Kanth. Who knows, maybe he'll dry out and get a real life. Personally this AH crack is killin me:)
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Its pretty easy to SAY something stupid, espescially as a joke.
What DmdBT wrote clearly went too far and even wasted some of HiTech's precious time, but I think it in no way compares to actually cheating. I think a 1 month ban is reasonable, and should be considered a minimal punishment/deterant for such behavior. It also sounds like he took it like a man.
I would like to say, however, that DmdBT's post was not the most stupid or destructive thing that I have ever read on this BB, not even a contender for the top-10.
I don't plan on holding any kind of a grudge against him when he returns (Although a bit of teasing may be in order.) :)
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Its pretty easy to SAY something stupid, espescially as a joke.
What DmdBT wrote clearly went too far and even wasted some of HiTech's precious time, but I think it in no way compares to actually cheating. I think a 1 month ban is reasonable, and should be considered a minimal punishment/deterant for such behavior. It also sounds like he took it like a man.
I would like to say, however, that DmdBT's post was not the most stupid or destructive thing that I have ever read on this BB, not even a contender for the top-10.
I don't plan on holding any kind of a grudge against him when he returns (Although a bit of teasing may be in order.) :)
eskimo
Well thought out and written eskimo. I know that he would never do anything to harm the game intentionally. I remember all the help he gave others in the AW days and how he enjoyed extending himself to help. As for a 1 month ban, I personally do think that is a tad long. When working TOS in AW a 1 month ban would be for someone that was caught in the act of cheating (or solid proof). But as you said, he is taking it fully on his shoulders and I greatly respect anyone with a pure character such as his. I will fly with him anytime and it will always be an honor.
Glint
:D
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What was DmdBT's AW CPID? I might know him (and in good fashion, flame him accordingly) :)
Gainsie
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
What was DmdBT's AW CPID? I might know him (and in good fashion, flame him accordingly) :)
Gainsie
He went by many names. He started back in the old days in AW on GEnie, handle then was 4980 and later 6686. When AW went to AOL he helped out as an "unofficial trainer" and the handle was Big T until another Big-T showed up and he then changed it to DmdBT. When AW3 came out he toggled between that and WB's. When he got to AH he went back to DmdBT until around tour 14 or so then he switched to Lonz. Now you ask yourself how do I know all this?? I did my homework .
Now if I can only learn how to survive in AH .
Glint
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Ah BigT..the original...hes the dude "responsible" for getting me inthe hog..I remember the CPID well...
Gainsie (dons flame-retardant suit...grabs aceteline-oxygen torch fro the garage....)
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Not to get too far off the subject, but where is list of rules located? (not refering to cheating) Kanth, have you ever seen ch. 1?
btw good point Viff. But please lay off the harsh language:D (j/k)
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Hitech, thank you for posting your stance on the situation.
Slash, don't make me come over to your country and killshoot myself to death.
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Sorry sir:D