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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gofaster on November 26, 2002, 02:32:48 PM
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...I can't help but continue to be amazed by Islam, the religion of peace. Some of you may recall that I posted a thread about this not too long ago, when the riots first began.
I guess this is what happens when you mix church and state.
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Nigerian Calls for Death of Writer
56 minutes ago
By GLENN McKENZIE, Associated Press Writer
LAGOS, Nigeria (AP) - The deputy governor of a largely Islamic state in northern Nigeria has called on Muslims to kill the Nigerian woman who wrote a newspaper article about the Miss World beauty pageant that sparked deadly religious riots.
"Just like the blasphemous Indian writer Salman Rushdie, the blood of Isioma Daniel can be shed," Zamfara Deputy Governor Mahamoud Shinkafi told a gathering of Muslim groups in the state capital, Gusau, on Monday.
Rushdie, an Indian-born Briton, went into hiding after Iran's late revolutionary leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, issued a 1989 fatwa — or religious edict — against him for allegedly insulting Islam in his best-selling novel, "The Satanic Verses." In 1998, the Iranian government declared it would not support the fatwa, but said it could not rescind the edict since, under Islamic law, that could be done only by the person who issued it. Khomeini died in 1989. So, under Islam, Church and State are separate when its to the religion's benefit?
While state officials in Nigeria cannot issue fatwas, the deputy governor, "like all Muslims," considers the death sentence against Daniel as "a reality based on the teachings of the Quran," Zamfara state Information Commissioner Tukur Umar Dangaladima said Tuesday.
Islam's holy book "states that whoever accuses or insults any prophet of Allah ... should be killed," Dangaladima told The Associated Press. "If she (Daniel) is Muslim, she has no option except to die. But if she is a non-Muslim, the only way out for her is to convert to Islam." This is the most twisted piece of logic I've read all day. If she's Muslim, then she must die. Ha! If she's not Muslim, why would she want to convert to Islam and die when she can remain non-Muslim and continue her survival?
Daniel, a Lagos-based fashion writer (I never knew being a fashion writer was such a dangerous business) with ThisDay, reportedly went into hiding after being interrogated by police last week in connection with the article, which suggested Islam's founding prophet Muhammed would have approved of Miss World and might have wanted to marry one of the contestants. Her religion is unknown. Maybe she practices Festivus and raises an aluminum pole for celebration and engages in feats of strength after dinner.
The newspaper has issued repeated apologies for the article, saying the offending portions were published by mistake after earlier being deleted by a supervising editor.
President Olusegun Obasanjo did not immediately respond to the deputy governor's call. But an Information Ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Obasanjo's government would not permit any Islamic group or individual to carry out the death order. I suspect Nigeria has come to a turning point in its political direction, much like Iran has over the death sentence of a university professor for stating in a public speech that young Iranians should interpret the Koran in their own way.
Obasanjo's 3-year-old administration has repeatedly stated it will overrule inhumane punishments imposed by Islamic courts, such as recent death-by-stoning sentences against women convicted of having sex outside of wedlock. But the federal government has so far refused to intervene directly in the Shariah legal system, in effect in some of the country's predominantly Muslim northern states. Its time to put up or shut up, baby.
ThisDay officials were not immediately available for comment Tuesday. But one of the paper's columnists, Amanze Obi, suggested Daniel "may have been a victim of excitement."
"I imagine that she may have written that line without knowing it," Obi wrote in Tuesday's edition. "The line was innocuous."
Dangaladima said other ThisDay employees had been spared from the fatwa, which "applies only to the offending pen."
Zamfara was the first of 12 states to adopt Islamic law, or Shariah, after Nigerian military rule gave way to elected government in 1999. Religious clashes since then have killed thousands across the country.
The latest rioting began last Wednesday when Muslims burned down a ThisDay office in the northern city of Kaduna. More than 200 people were killed in the city and rioting also briefly spread to the capital, Abuja.
The violence caused Miss World organizers to abandon plans to hold the pageant in Nigeria and evacuate more than 80 participants to London, where the show will go ahead Dec. 7. Pearl Harbor Day here in the U.S.
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..... just more proof that the simpler man is, the closer to animal he becomes.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
..... just more proof that the simpler man is, the closer to animal he becomes.
-SW
??
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given the state of the world and this country, the PC crowd were insane for even trying to plan the thing there in the first place
why not Palestine?
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Well, I guess Salman Rushdie better stay away from Muhammad Ali and HakeeM Olajuwon, cause they'll probably kill the second they see him, them being Muslim and all.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Eagler
given the state of the world and this country, the PC crowd were insane for even trying to plan the thing there in the first place
why not Palestine?
I had read somewhere that the Nigerian president had invited them there, in an attempt to demonstrate that Nigeria was capable of hosting international events (a move to boost tourism and international business opportunities). Still, I would think the organizers would've been suspicious of a country with two different sets of laws and still emerging from a military dictatorship.
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What's the hard part to understand MT?
That those people are relatively "simple" in terms of knowledge, or that they act like animals?
-SW
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Well, I guess Salman Rushdie better stay away from Muhammad Ali and HakeeM Olajuwon, cause they'll probably kill the second they see him, them being Muslim and all.
:rolleyes:
Yes, after all, it was a fatwa!
I think such a meeting would be a good demonstration of either (a) the hypocrosy of Ali or (b) the hypocrosy of Muslim leaders who espouse such religious edicts as law.
If Hakeem met Salman and didn't kill him, would Hakeem be a bad Muslim, and would he be subjected to a fatwa himself? What about Louis Farrakhan?
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
What's the hard part to understand MT?
That those people are relatively "simple" in terms of knowledge, or that they act like animals?
-SW
Nope, nevermind.
You have made yourself quite clear.
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I see... now you are trying to turn it into something it's not.
Look out world, MT's on a crusade!
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I see... now you are trying to turn it into something it's not.
Look out world, MT's on a crusade!
-SW
hehe.. always.
But seriously, what do you mean by that statement?
If you mean that the Nigerians in question are so poor and ignorant that they can be more easily manipulated by the press and their church or mosque, then I agree.
If you mean that they are Africans and as such are closer to being animals, then the crusade is on.
Your choice.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
..... just more proof that the simpler man is, the closer to animal he becomes.
-SW
I think its a problem with the culture itself. There is no separation of religion from government, and its code of justice is determined by a religious document. Four or so years ago the country was ruled by military tribunal and is only recently emerging into a government by free election. Its only natural that under those circumstances some government officials would be unable to separate their obeyance to government law from obeyance of their religious doctrine.
I think the Nigerian president knows the proper direction he needs to take his country if they want to become more economically prosperous, but he's going to have to overcome the religious and tribal influences that run deep in that region. I wouldn't be surprised if the riots escalate into civil war.
And all because of a beauty pageant and a fashion writer.
Then again, Victoria's Secret can't do a 1-hour fashion show without PETA demonstrators causing a disruption because they used feathers and leather trim to decorate their bras and panties.
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I'd think it would be obvious I was referring to the people who committed the acts of violence/rioting.
The simpler man is always the one with less education/intelligence. I've met quite a few men from Africa that were extremely intelligent.
I hold the opinion that if you are dumb enough to be coersed into riotting (including those dumb toejam tards at Maryland University who decided to riot last year), then you are unintelligent/simple.
-SW
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The continuing claims of some that Islam is "a religion of peace" are starting to wear a bit thin. No doubt there are peaceful Muslims, but there is no basis for the claim that Islam itself is a peaceful religion. The best that peace loving and culturally/religiously tolerant Muslims can rightly claim is that their own interpretation of their religion is peaceful and tolerant. That's because Islam has no true central authority, no central secular authority, that is. As such, there is no controlling view of what Islam is and what it isn’t. It’s left to local or regional religious leaders to interpret the Koran and the will of Allah as each sees fit. There is no globally “approved” interpretation of Islam, and no central authority to counter-act such fatwahs and decrees. There is no official source of doctrine.
In the Western World, culture and religion generally co-exist side-by-side; they affect one another to a degree (such as cultural diversity combining with political liberty to produce religious tolerance), but neither dominates. In many (most?) areas where Islam is the dominant if not sole religion, culture and religion are intertwined. Islam is often interpreted in these areas in such a way as to drive or reinforce the cultural imperatives of those societies, imperatives such as hatred of the Jews and resentment of Western prosperity.
I at least am thus left with the impression that peaceful and tolerant Muslims are in the minority, when the world is viewed as a whole. A sad state of affairs, with no easy solution.
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Hear ye here yee!
"They" Also: "Those"
Have now offically been declared racist code words by the AH BBS left wing racism religious police. Anyone (whites especially) who referes to any group of people (non-whites especially) with the pronouns "They" and/or "Those" shall henceforth be deemed a racist by the left wing racism religius police and be subject to all appropriate punishments including but not limited to being labeled a "racist".
Carry on citizens....
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BTW
MT I think it's retarded that you go putting in bold and hinting at racism at every use of "They" or "Those" in any argument involving humans....
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Why, thank you for clearing that up GH.
But just for your edification, refering to any racial group as "Those people" is a racial generalization, hence racism if the generalization is used to draw a conclusion about "those people".
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Islam is Peace.
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And MT, you just proved how easy it is to mis-identify "racial generalizations"....
I assume, of course, saying "those crackas" is socially acceptable, while "those people" is not?
-SW
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I dunno SW, I thought we came to a mutual agreement, and I'm fine with that as I hope you are.
GH OTOH seems to want to stir my pot... have fun little boy.
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We did, but I'd like to think in the future you wouldn't immediately come to the conclusion that "those people" is a reference to racial bigotry.
The above insinuation is simply a joke(not haha funny, irony funny) perpetuated by white yuppies. Man, do I hate yuppies. (not implying any BBS poster here is a yuppy)
-SW
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tom brokaw voice : "and in other news, more agnostic violence breaks out across the globe."
yeah, that'll be the day:)
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"but I'd like to think in the future you wouldn't immediately come to the conclusion that "those people" is a reference to racial bigotry.
Only when it suits him...
Oh MT now every time I disagree with your wierd ideas I'm immature or a little boy? Or are you offended at my use of the word retarded in reference to my opinion of your behavior when it comes to to the words "they" or "those"?
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
What's the hard part to understand MT?
That those people are relatively "simple" in terms of knowledge, or that they act like animals?
-SW
Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven.... The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste.
And,
Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it.
[/FONT] Mark Twain
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