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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hedu of JG26 Warbirds on June 09, 2000, 02:17:00 PM
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Iceman posted this just the other day.
Planned and conducted two WarBirds III meetings.
Delivered new versions to Quality Assurance of WarBirds III demo for defect testing. This included both the
Windows and Macintosh versions.
The T1 is in production at the Sheraton Imperial for the CON2000. All the CON2000 T-shirts have been delivered.
The hat with player handles will be delivered by June 15. Players can still register for the Convention through the
web site, but they are no longer guarenteed to get a hat with their callsign on it.
We posted on the CON2000 web page to tell the convention attendees to please bring their own Ethernet cables.
The Ethernet cable needs to be 10 base T. We still have cable from last year, but it will only work with 10baseT
cards. Cable will be available for those who don't have it, but it will be best if the players bring what they know
will work with their system.
Kent 'ICEMAN' East had an interview with DogFighter.com about the Arena Changes we have done. Check it
out at http://www.dogfighter.com/interviews/show.php3?interview=960287198 (http://www.dogfighter.com/interviews/show.php3?interview=960287198)
Held two Demo's of WBIII for players. The Terrain Editing system was given to a player to test the "outside"
creation of WB2 terrains.
The Battle of Jutland event is 17JUN00. Registration is still open and info can be read at
http://www.dweebsofdeath.com/jutland/ (http://www.dweebsofdeath.com/jutland/)
The S3 was started up again on 03JUN00. The only reported problem was an arena cap at 250 players. This has
been corrected.
Fighter Ops (AOL Keyword FIGHTER OPS):
1. In the process of getting one of our former CL's back on boards.
2. Distributed the files needed to more of our CL's for the AOL test area. We are testing the coming update.
3. Held an events committee meeting Thursday, June 08, to begin WB style events in FO.
5. We will have our 19th WABBIT Event Friday, June 9, at 8:00PM EDT.
Dawn of Aces:
1. Tested the log procedure in the DOA MA. It appears to be working correctly.
2. Held the "Best of the Best" event in the Dawn of Aces Main Arena Wednesday night.
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Iceman iEN
Community Events Manager
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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WBIII. Man I hope it is great. I really miss WB but I don't miss the discoes & that stupid ilz!
Thanks Hedu for the post!
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Apache
The Blue Knights
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<yawn>
How are the roll warps, still working good?
ra
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Warbirds Schhhhhhmorebirds!
That company SUX! please don't post about them here...........
udie
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Hedu,
I know that you are posting this here because of the posts from some of the AH flyers on AGW. I really can't blame you either. Plus I think its good to share news within the sim community regarding other sims. If you think about, we are all just ONE big community.
I'm glad to see that the new versions of WBIII has been released to the Quality Assurance folks. It looks like the pace of planning and conducting meetings is definately picking up. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
As for me, I can't wait for the AH 1.03 to be released to the community!
Cobra
[This message has been edited by Cobra (edited 06-09-2000).]
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Udie, I would expect a slightly better reaction than that, please. Alot of the AH pilots are WB pilots also, and vice versa.
"That company SUX!" How mature.
Warp rolls? What warp rolls?
Rip, I will try to make it to the Olympia Warbirds event and finally say Hi in person.
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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Hedu, thanks for the update.
I hope WBIII is great, if it is not there is less pressure on other online sims to work for my money.
I have never really understood the bashing of other sims that is such a great part of the overall flightsim world.
We all benefit from the success of sims we do not fly. They keep the bar moving up if well done.
I hope WWII Online is very good also and if it or WBIII beat AH with a better game, service and price then that is life.
But, here I stay until that happens
(The check is in the mail HTC.)
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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If they get rid of HS then you may get a better reaction from me. Maturity? Hmm how mature is it to backstab your beta testers and trainers?
That company SUX. I didn't say anything about the game. Please just post this stuff in the off topic forum. And sorry if it seems im dumping on you Hedu, but im not (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I just REALY don't like that company.
udie
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LOL you call that a sit rep????????
"D'uh today we changed the toilet paper in the mens washroom (it ran out)........"
If you got *real* news besides how many hats they purchased today, I'm sure everyone here at AH would appreciate the info....since as you said, we are all one community - to which I agree.
But those rediculous sitreps are a pathetic attmept to appease a group of players that have been completely left in the dark about the future of their game for close to a year now.
I personally find them insulting.
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Kats, the demo of WBIII is not toilet paper. We get these every week, and they let us know what is going on with our sim.
Amazing the chutzpah of some people.
Hi Jochen! Hi Bax, using your old name!
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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ReallY?
What's the ETA of WB3?
How far along is any aspect of the development?
Will it go flat rate or not?
What new planes are being added to WB3?
Are they including a voice comm package?
Any new innovative features whatsoever in regards to viewing or icon systems?
Any new innovative features in regards to strat and gameplay?
What will be the minimum system spec?
Any advances to the FM like dynamic COG or component lift modeling?
Does anyone have any clue at all aside from the outside a/c art on a few planes what is happening with wb3?
Didn't an employee get muzzeled for revealing too much information about your forthcoming and open door policy company?
So tell me hedu, what will WB3 be like? Did I miss a sitrep that explained it all, or did I miss an invite to one of those "We had a WB3 development meeting" thingies.
[This message has been edited by Kats (edited 06-09-2000).]
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Seems like you MUST have missed a couple, Kats. MOst of us DO know what WBIII will be. Sorry you have to be so sanctamounious about the whole thing.
Amazing.
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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KATS, I'll see Warbirds 3 at the WB convention in less than two weeks, guaranteed.
Serious.
I am a subscriber to both sims, and trust me, there is no reason for each group to be tense at each other.
Competition! Yeee har! I cant get enough of these high quality programs.
Viva la Wabirds!
Viva la Aces High!
Viva la WWII Online!
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Warbirds: Serious fun flight sim.
Aces Hype: Kiddieville.
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Macboy I just realized who you remind me of. Did you ever see that movie "Mars Attacks"? I think that's what it was called. The one with Jack Nicolson.
You remind me of the Martians, "Yap yap yap yap yap" "yap yap yap yap yap"
Get a real OS (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif) j/k kinda
Udie
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In the land of Warbirds, Macboy is Spitboy. There is also a rumor he was General Balo, but that would have been a step up.
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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Nah... there's no way thats Spitboy.
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Erm, get yer facts right, Hedu, before you smear someone. I post as myself here, and have since I opened my account in August 1999. To my knowledge, no one has ever accused me of being Macboy or General Balo.
Spitboy -SW-
Neither Macboy nor General Balo. Maybe Pyro will check my IPs just to be sure.
[This message has been edited by Spitboy (edited 06-09-2000).]
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Warbirds: Serious fun flight sim.
Aces Hype: Kiddieville.
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LOL.....
Whats the difference (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yeager
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Sorry ripsnort, I beat you to it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Warbirds: Serious fun flight sim.
Aces Hype: Kiddieville.
MG/MACBOY/STEALTH=Mature Adult (not) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/assets/Anonymous.jpg)
Stealth prefers to go into battle disguised or heavily camouflaged, often using pseudonyms, anonymous mail servers and multiple e mail addresses. Operating from a position of anonymity he can launch vicious attacks with little fear of reprisals. Because of his cowardice he is often dismissed by other Warriors as an unworthy foe.
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it's disconcerting that good news creates such negative reactions. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Figured you would like that one... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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2 bucks an hour, or easymode.
Why would you guys even bother to talk about it.
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LOL! Oooh another banner week for iEN!
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KE: The Terrain Editor ran into some serious problems and was never finalized. It makes a good addition to the suite of terrain tools we already possessed, but never got to the point of being the stand-alone application we wanted. All of the individuals who were working on it were eventually assigned to WarBirds III so it will most likely never be more than what it is now. It makes the terrain creation process much easier than what it previously was (I've used it on two current terrains and one I'm working on now) but does not fill all the gaps we had hoped it would.
-ICEMAN
thats bad news (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Udie,
Where HS & iEN are concerned we are in complete 100% crystal clear agreement!
Macboy, macboy2k, or whatever your calling yourself this week. Just keep eating those sour grapes, you'll choke on em eventually!
Cit, in other words "It don't work! "
Gee surprise surprise! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Didn't like the look of the work it does do!
Compared to AH terrains they SUCK! That being a highly personal subjective opinion of course. Your mileage may vary.
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Hmmmmm.. seems odd that WB update posts would be on this board, regardless of the "sense of community". Seems to me, anyone interested in WBIII stuff should go to the appropriate website/message board for it. I don't go to the WB board to find out about AH, and I wouldn't expect vice versa. I do respect that the info was posted with apparent honorable intentions, although it could seem a bit shady since, all mention of "community" aside, WB and AH are direct competitors. Just my opinion, but seems inappropriate to post here. Would sorta be like Apple posting news about their new OS on a Microsoft board, and vice-versa. Smells just a tiny bit to me, like, "Hey all you guys who got tired of paying so much and didn't like the flight modeling, etc.... pleeease come back. We miss you!" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And Udie.. maybe if we just all start yodeling, MacTwit's big ugly head will explode in a mass of green slimy goo!
"Udie-lay he hooooooooooooooooo" SPLAT!!!!
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Skorpyon
I/JG2 ~Richthofen~
"Feel the Sting......"
[This message has been edited by Skorpyon (edited 06-10-2000).]
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Whew! this 'comunity' is sure full of venom... don't like the company? LOL... If I held a grudge i could think of all the total BS that the former WB creators handed out when they were in charge. But....Give em time. The guys that pouted on out of WB will end up leaving in a huff from AH over Gawd knows what imagined slight in the future. It's just their nature.
lazs
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Lazs,
I have good reasons not to like that company. The main reason though is from when I was a trainer and beta tester. We were testing the version they added the clickable 6 calls and some flight model changes.
90% of the beta testers didn't like the FM changes and were VERY vocal about this on the mail list. Then after it was release the community hated it and complained. Well the best HS could come up with was Hey the beta testers said they liked it, so blame them not me. That right there broke my camels back.
And yes I hold a grudge, I'm bad about that sometimes...
Udie
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What good news, as you know i fly both AH & WB.. im --wd-- & easyoz in WB. Yes i still hold 2 accounts there and i have flown with you for years as a gold.
But what new, as a Demo of WBIII was shown at Con99,as you well know. So your saying you will see a demo of WWIII at con2000..
Do you also think you will see a demo of WBIII at Con2001?
In the year since WBIII was shown at Con99 they have managed to get 7 AC modeled, at this rate it will take 6 years to model all the AC in the plane set.
Now,i fly both AH & WB with equal enthusiasm. I dont bash one over the other as there is no need,they are both good sims with a lot to offer.
You guys who are bashing sims forget one thing, They are all created for us to have fun.. Yes,us,we the people.
I read AWG,iEN BB and AH BB, i am very sick of seeing all the sim bashing.I wish these guys would just shut up and fly.
I try to post when it is relevant, I dont make useless posts here or on any other board,there seems to be a good number of people that really need to grow up!
Dog out....
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Ummm... I agree with everyone who says that people who fly AH and people who fly WB do not have to be at each other's throats all the time. I plan to be flying both for the foreseeable future.
I also agree with those who have issues with HS and iEN management in general. Some real problems there...
Hedu made this post because someone posted Pyro's latest report over on AGW. I don't see anything wrong with that, just like I don't see anything wrong with this post.
The warp roll problem in Warbirds has gotten a LOT better since they did away with EZ Mode in the Main Arena.
HS got his knuckles rapped because he spouted off about something that was not within his responsibility (Swastikas on airplanes) and was critical of corporate policy on the issue. Squelching that was one of the few intelligent things I've ever seen Littman do. personally, I would've fired him (HS) on the spot.
Just thought I'd clear a few things up.
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Vadr
III/JG 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2/)
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Seems like you MUST have missed a couple, Kats. MOst of us DO know what WBIII will be. Sorry you have to be so
sanctamounious about the whole thing.
Hedu, don't take this personal. I don't see that I am being sanctimonious about it. I am only stating what I believe to be the truth.I constantly back IEN up on issues that I believe they are being unfairly treated about (see MAC artical thread) - it is not my mission to bash them, that is not my style.
In regards to this, if you want to be helpfull, why not post the answers to the questions I have asked - I would sincerely be interested.
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Thanks Vadr, for clearing up alot of this. I went through big arguement with some of the AH guys along time ago, and then I decided the hate and the venom isn't worth it. I was quickly accepted by many of the AH pilots I was argueing with, and we both realize we both have lots of common ground. Citibria posted the AH update at Argo's Warbirds board, so I though, heck, why not post our Sitrep over here. No flames, no rants, just letting people know what there is going on. Well, I didn't get as much acceptance as what I thought i was gonna get, some dialogue, some good natured kidding like before, and smile on the way out the door.
Katz, it seemed tome that you jumped on WB kinda hard, and I took quick offense. I should have had a cooler head, that is my fault, I apoligize for any misunderstanding.
WBIII, like most of the WB community is aware of, is mostly a major graphics upgrade. Strategy is something that is still getting kicked around by the community, with some of the best damn ideas I have ever seen. Due date is pending, always "2 weeks" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
New planes, not yet, but we already have 40+. I think we may get the Italian planes next, I am hoping for earlier BoB German bombers. But again, they won't do it unless they think they can model it correctly. We did just get anothe version of the Wildcat, which helps with the scenarios.
I am finding alot of people don't want the flat rate. they like the "by the hour thing", like it has been stated,"Do I wanna fly or do I wanna read a book" type pricing tends to work well for some if not most. @ buck is still kinda high, but I can choose to fly or not and not have to pay for it anyway.
There will be more to come soon, closer to the Con date. I hope your guy's con goes well too.
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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Aces High IS WBIII.
Who made Warbirds? HT, Pyro and crew.
Hans.
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Wrong, Hans. The community made Warbirds. Just like the Aces High community makes AH what it is. Read Mr. Trotter's column in PC Gamer. m You'll see what I mean.
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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Hey, my apoligies to Spitboy for mixing him up with Macboy. Got the names screwed up, sorry about that. Spitboy is better than what Macboy does, even tho he flies Spitfires. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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better at what does, what? flying spitfires? what? Spitboy is better than what I does? wait, what? I fly spitfires? better than Spitfire? huh?
teehee
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I resemble that remark! > (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Please lets keep the namedropping to a minimum please.
Spitfire (the real one)
(don't touch that dial)
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Wrong, Hans. The community made Warbirds. Just like the Aces High community makes AH what it is. Read Mr. Trotter's column in PC Gamer. m You'll see what I mean.
Would one of the comminity please let me know when 1.03 will be complete, it's obviouse pyro and I have just been fooling ourselvs, since we havn't made anyting.
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HiTech
For Bribes (http://www.internetwines.com/pa95154.html)
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From HEDU:
New planes, not yet, but we already have 40+. I think we may get the Italian planes next
LOL, they have had a good chance to model the C.205V and they threw it away ... AFAIK =LEM='s outstanding 3D work is lost, just after that idiotic barfight between HS and ICEMAN. Will they ever learn?
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Yes, HT, as a *member of the community*, I say 1.03 will be completed this coming week.
Or is that wishful thinking?
(kidding) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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As a member of the *AH community* I vote my proxie comments to HiTech Creations! I resigned my WB account and "Frankly Scarlet, I don't damn!".
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Hblair,
I definitely agree. They community say: 1.03 will roll out before next friday. We will work around the clock.
The Community ---> out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I must say I too was a bit disturbed when I noticed this thread post about Warbirds with the implication that the Community made Warbirds and Aces High.
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Wrong, Hans. The community made Warbirds. Just like the Aces High community makes AH what it is. Read Mr. Trotter's column in PC Gamer. m You'll see what I mean.
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Would one of the comminity please let me know when 1.03 will be complete, it's obviouse pyro and I have just been fooling ourselvs, since we havn't made anyting.
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HiTech
I don't know about the rest of the community, but I'm constantly amazed at the product being produced by Hitech, Pyro, and the Aces High crew.
If they were producing a substandard product I wouldn't be a part of this community.
Oh and as far as Warbirds goes I don't care how good it is at the price they charge. They've had years to work on that thing. If they wanted a better product they should have kept Hitech and Pyro.
Ranger Bob
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I did not think that everyone would be so literal in taking my statement, and I am a little dissapointed that that is how it got handled. I would have expected more, specially when I am trying to be polite about the whole thing.
Sure the sims are created by some people, but where that sim goes from there is really influenced by the community. I was up with Gunjam and ALI and prop til 4 in the morning last year talking Warbirds, and you really saw that. Alot of you get real puffy when you talk about AH, as I am sure WB guys do too. And you talk like you have input, how you will "vote with your dollar" and such rhetoric, which is also posted at our site by many WB pilots. Now tell me, would you speak and act and vote like you do if you didn't think you could change your sim for the better, at least in your own eyes? I am sure we wouldn't try if it didn't matter. As I am sure you guys wouldn't either.
But you can, as we can, and it is the players that shape the sim. A creator makes a sim, and doesn't listen to his buyers, the sim goes tits up. Well, Aces High isn't T.U. and neither is WB, because the community cares, just as much as the guys who programs it.
I am sorry that all this venom is getting tossed around. I never said Aces High is crap, cause it's not, and I never said your company sux, for it doesn't either. I would have hoped it just stayed a conversation about our two sims. I like you ammo load out ideas, and your 3d movable cockpits are great. I would say I think that a better airfield terrain system and some early war planes would help your sim. I'd say that, but who will be first to say, "your early war set sucks"?
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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Your company riped me off for 2 extra months. I dont care how good wb3 will be ill never do buisness with you again. F U sincerly EYE P.S. You guys chargeing by the hour is why you will never be competitive again. 30$ a month wont do it either. F U greedy mothers!
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Eye...
Whassup wiff dat? Hedu aint iEN and this was a post originated by Hedu, not iEN....
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Hedu,
Dont sweat the small stuff.
The only time I get proactive about AcesHigh
on AGW is when I see undeniably moronic statements made by people who I would have thought were slightly deeper thinkers. Im sure you probably feel the same way on your side of the pond.
Cheers,
Yeager
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So Hitech, without the dollars coming in from the "community" I guess 1.03 would still be on the way?
Like it or not, the community does make the sim; without it, you have a lonely video game.
Lizking
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I know those greedy mothers are watching this sim and drooling. My post is simply a extention of the anger in my five calls to cancel my account. Wb has made a policy of closeing accounts months late. I have run into 5 others who have been riped off in this way. You see this wb employees F U. Ill be flying this or some other sim for years to come your never going to see my money. F U
P.S. I was nice on the first 4 calls over 2months i had to freek to get it closed. As far as im concerned you stole from my credit card. From what ive read above you been droping the ball for years just like aw. I feel bad for those in your company who earn a living on your bad decisions.
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>Would one of the comminity please let me
>know when 1.03 will be complete,
I'm sorry HT. I just don't answer "when" questions. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Wab
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Hmmmmmm.... does this mean I can start sending my money to .... well...... ME?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sorry, but I'm finally feeling like I can FLY the planes well, and now you say I gotta MAKE the game? Ruh Roh Rorge... we're all in BIG trouble.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I abdicate my responsibilities to HT and associates.. yes, you can all give a big sigh of relief.
On the serious side, no slight was meant on my part, but I think it was just as inappropriate for Cit to have posted AH updates on the WB board. I agree in the sense of community, but "cross advertising" is a bit crass, in my totally unsolicited and worthless opinion.
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Skorpyon
I/JG2 ~Richthofen~
"Feel the Sting......"
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Eye, a little hostility management please. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Nobody here can help you with that, but if you were billed past your cancellation, you should be able to recoup that money.
Lizking wrote:
Like it or not, the community does make the sim; without it, you have a lonely video game.
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You're wrong about that. The word "community" has become a real buzzword among developers of online games. Like any buzzword, it's nothing more than a term fashionably used by people who don't know much to convince others that they do.
The real fact of the matter is that "communities" form around a common interest. Whether that's a game, newsgroup, chat area, whatever, it doesn't matter. In the case of games, no interest means no community. Lose the interest, lose the community. It's that simple. Developers can't make the community any more than they can keep one from forming if they have an interesting product. They can help it grow or do the exact opposite, but that's the extent of it. The only way to really kill the community is to have a product that doesn't interest people or doesn't compete well in the market.
If you make the coolest game in the world, a community will develop around it and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Make a lame one and I don't care how nice a guy you are or how friendly the game is, it's not going to fly.
The funny thing about this particular genre is that the players between the competing products are mostly alike. The difference between their perceptions in "community" is how well they know the other people around them.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Most plans are just inaccurate predictions.
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Reread this thread... Man they have a lot of meetings over there.
Meeting- an event where minutes are taken and hours are wasted.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Most plans are just inaccurate predictions.
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They wont give me my money back.
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Eye:
I dont know how it is in other countries, but in Denmark\Norway (and Im pretty sure Sweeden\Finland) you can contact your bank and claim the money back.The bank will now refound the money, unless (in this case -) iEN can *prove* that you did not cansel your account.
Voila: suddenly they have a bank biting their a** ;=)
Of course it has to be done within a reasonable timeframe.
danish
edith: Id give Hedu some credit here.Frankly dont see anything malignant in his post.
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Reread this thread... Man they have a lot of meetings over there.
Meeting- an event where minutes are taken and hours are wasted.
Heh, you are very correct!
In their current situation I think they should spend more time to make WB3.0 happen than ponder things in slow pace.
HTC has apparently much different approach. Few people who know what they are doing, no need for lengthy meetings as things are discussed over in coffee breaks (Do you guys have any?).
One important point is that while IEN collectively thinks and thinks what to do with WB HTC folks have vision and they work according to it.
Of course, when the organization is large enough, meeting become neccessity to run things. Maybe not very efficient but is there a choice.
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jochen Jagdflieger JG 2 'Richthofen' Aces High
jochen Geschwaderkommodore (on leave) Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) Warbirds
Thanks for the Fw 190A-5 HTC!
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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Originally posted by Pyro:
Meeting- an event where minutes are taken and hours are wasted.
True, but depends greatly upon the environment. It is a very common misconception when someone believes this due to having been exposed to generally poor or inexperienced bureaucratic leadership during their careers. Unfortunately they pattern their future careers upon a complete avoidance mindset, which usually also fails to the extreme the other way.
An appropriate business meeting.........where a good facilitator produces a series of "call to actions" for the work group, that ultimately results in greater (or some) profit for the shareholders. A well executed decision oriented meeting, results in an "enveloping" plan that permits the participants to adapt, improvise, persevere and overcome within the boundaries it defines.
Unfortunately, I sense you've seen far too many of the former. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Regards,
Badger
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HEDU,
I too like news from 'the other side', community information is a good thing, shouldn't be alienated. Udie has his opinion, I agree with him about iEN,however I hoping that their software changes are for the good.
Looking forward to seeing you at Olympia if you make it down, 12 noon, Beer Garden, Sat.
Cya's!
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Who made Warbirds? HT, Pyro and crew.
Wrong, Hans. The community made Warbirds. Just like the Aces High community makes AH what it is.
Gotta say Hedu, there aren't a whole lot of different ways to interpret this.
I guess the main thing is... don't come over to AH's board and tell everyone that HT and PYRO didn't "make" Warbirds. We were there... we know different. Deep down.. you do to.
The community is the only reason Warbirds is still allive. Its abillity to plan and execute events... the squad unity... the overall flight sim experience is unparralled in any other flight sim out. The community holds iEN in the position they are at right now. HT and PYRO gave that community something to hold on to. Please don't forget that.
AKDejaVu
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Go easy on HEDU, guys, he has flown AH and flys WB's, I would imagine that the only thing that keeps him from going 100% AH is lack of consistant Scenario lites, HA and most of his squad is in WB's. He's really a good guy.
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Meetings..
Unless they are explicit necessary I refuse to waiste my time on them.Mail me, phone me, talk to me, just dont strangel me with meetings.
Just had to make a point ;0)
Of course Im not in the software\gaming business and anyways have the option to say no.
danish
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I hate this discord between sims. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I am interested in any WWI or WWII product. That interest doesn't mean I will stop using one product or another, but I am naturally interested in any sim that comes. For that reason I don't take any offense whatsoever from Hedu's (or anyone's) post that gives information on a product for the purpose of informing about the product. Hedu did that, and should be cut a little slack.
What we are doing here is exactly what many of us have accused other boards of doing- vilifying anyone that discusses another product. We can do better than this. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Originally posted by Kieren:
I hate this discord between sims. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
What we are doing here is exactly what many of us have accused other boards of doing- vilifying anyone that discusses another product. We can do better than this. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Let me translate what Rip reads...lets not turn this BB into what AGW has turned into by a minority of posters there. Keep it friendly, talk about what you like and dislike, but don't get personal. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well, I quit a multi-national conglomerate last year because of all the meetings. I went to work for a small locally owned firm in the same industry and I am kicking the conglomerate's ASS. Guess they are still in all those useless meetings while I am out taking their customers.
Hitech, I wasn't slamming you, but if the "community" means nothing, why do you encourage it, via this board? I know that it costs a little to keep it running, and I am sure the aggravation generated by it is considerable, but so is the good will and good ideas that flow from it.
Lizking
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hehe,
I once worked with a Boss who would get up and walk out of a meeting after 30 minutes. Every time.
The first few times it happened, it really caused chaos on the staff. After about the 5th time it happened, we were having VERY productive meetings.
Harsh, but very effective. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Pyro said:
They can help it grow or do the exact opposite, but that's the extent of it.
The line you draw here is a fine one, and is the exact same one that hedu draws with his 'Community' remark.
You can look at iEN's mis-management of late and see a prime example of how a company can shrink it's community (and it's revenue). You can then go over to Playnet and watch a company working hard to help build a community around it's product (with as yet unseen results).
Warbirds is still a very viable PRODUCT, but as evidenced here, the company has lost a lot of business because it didn't manage it's community very well. WWIIOL will undoubtedly get off to a great start, just because of effective community building efforts. Whether it remains viable will be in accordance with your comments about quality of product.
There are a lot of people who still fly Warbirds only because of the Community-supported events like S3's and SL's. If those events went away, they would probably already be out of business. By properly leveraging this mythical 'Community', companies can add value to their products far in excess of their available resources.
Maybe I really don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about, but I think there are lessons to be learned in both cases.
Not meant as an attack on anyone or anything. I'm learning to fly AH and enjoying myself in the process.
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Vadr
III/JG 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2/)
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Well said Vadr.
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Guess they are still in all those useless meetings while I am out talking their customers.
Some meetings are very productive, others are not. They are necessary to an extent... but they shouldn't be your job. The wierd thing is... no matter how good the meeting, I have yet to add it as a "bullet" to any performance review I have ever done. "Had a really good meeting" sounds more like "wasn't working". You'd think iEN would know this by now.
Hitech, I wasn't slamming you, but if the "community" means nothing, why do you encourage it, via this board?
I don't believe I got the same thing out of Pyro's post that you did. I believe he was reffering more to the use of the term.. not to the people. The community is another word for "customer" when used by iEN or HTC... anyone who says different is blowing smoke up orrifaces that should be exit only.
AKDejaVu
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Nobody said the community wasn't important. It is the end goal, but that goal can only be sustained by having a good product. Otherwise, you don't have a community, you have a ghost town.
As for meetings, that statement was just a famous witticism. Like most witticisms, it is very often true, but not absolute. Of course some meetings are necessary and productive, but then again many aren't.
Personally, I have nothing against having frequent meetings. As long they're optional, after-hours, and held at a bar.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Most plans are just inaccurate predictions.
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This is why the majority of us at HTC have beer bellies. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"Happiness is a warm gun momma" - The Beatles
-=HELLFIRE=- SQUAD
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Personally, I have nothing against having frequent meetings. As long they're optional, after-hours, and held at a bar.
Hear! Hear!
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The community is another word for "customer"
True statement, and you can do that substitution throughout this thread.
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Vadr
III/JG 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2/)
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY:
This is why the majority of us at HTC have beer bellies. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I get this aweful vision of Superfly in a G-String in about 10 years from now, reaching in the back of his proverbial "Texas Pick Up" for another beer....
(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/1.jpg)
Thks Deja, didnt know it was that big!
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Hey Rip.. think ya can fix that pic? Its a little too large for 99.9% of the resolutions being used today.
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Rip, I hate trucks with a passion. I drive a VW beetle, so getting into that would be especially hard to imagine with such enormous gut. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) But hey, I'm working my gut off. Gotta look good for the honeys. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"Happiness is a warm gun momma" - The Beatles
-=HELLFIRE=- SQUAD