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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on November 27, 2002, 03:06:38 PM
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Can you non believers in God tell me if you celebrate Thanksgiving?
I know you sneak in Christmas & Easter, just wondering about this spiritual holiday too?
Have a Happy Thanksgiving - and Give Thanks
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why should you have to be thankful to god to be thankful? taking time to appreciate your fortune doesn't require religion, it's a useful exercise in humility.
you guys really would be running around pulling your hair out and going chaotic without your blankee wouldn't you- lol perhaps it's best that religion is here for a certain segment of our society.
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Originally posted by Eagler
Can you non believers in God tell me if you celebrate Thanksgiving?
I know you sneak in Christmas & Easter, just wondering about this spiritual holiday too?
Have a Happy Thanksgiving - and Give Thanks
Thanksgiving is a secular holiday you dweeb.;)
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Originally posted by Eagler
Can you non believers in God tell me if you celebrate Thanksgiving?
I know you sneak in Christmas & Easter, just wondering about this spiritual holiday too?
Have a Happy Thanksgiving - and Give Thanks
OIC. If people are not religious, they should be working Thursday?
dh
(oh, and btw, I'd imagine Christians in other countries don't celebrate Thanksgiving either as it is a purely American holiday. You might want to engage your brain before posting)
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Or the by-product of it.
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Thankful for lots of things...
including freedom of and from religion.
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Oh, BTW, I don't celebrate Christmas or Easter, so :p .
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1624, that year, William Bradford, the governor of the Plymouth Colony, proclaimed a day of thanksgiving that was really a day of fasting and prayer.
carry on :)
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Originally posted by Karnak
Thanksgiving is a secular holiday you dweeb.;)
It wasn't until the Pilgrims invited those heathens.
AKDejaVu
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The First Thanksgiving Proclamation
June 20, 1676
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On June 20, 1676, the governing council of Charlestown, Massachusetts, held a meeting to determine how best to express thanks for the good fortune that had seen their community securely established. By unamimous vote they instructed Edward Rawson, the clerk, to proclaim June 29 as a day of thanksgiving. That proclamation is reproduced here in the same language and spelling as the original.
While the proclamation quoted on this page is the oldest extant thanksgiving proclamation, the thanksgiving being announced was by no means the first thanksgiving. The Plymouth Thanksgiving traditionally regarded as the first thanksgiving took place in 1621, the fall after the Mayflower pilgrims arrived. (Thanks to Jennie Stearns for this additional information)
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"The Holy God having by a long and Continual Series of his Afflictive dispensations in and by the present Warr with the Heathen Natives of this land, written and brought to pass bitter things against his own Covenant people in this wilderness, yet so that we evidently discern that in the midst of his judgements he hath remembered mercy, having remembered his Footstool in the day of his sore displeasure against us for our sins, with many singular Intimations of his Fatherly Compassion, and regard; reserving many of our Towns from Desolation Threatened, and attempted by the Enemy, and giving us especially of late with many of our Confederates many signal Advantages against them, without such Disadvantage to ourselves as formerly we have been sensible of, if it be the Lord's mercy that we are not consumed, It certainly bespeaks our positive Thankfulness, when our Enemies are in any measure disappointed or destroyed; and fearing the Lord should take notice under so many Intimations of his returning mercy, we should be found an Insensible people, as not standing before Him with Thanksgiving, as well as lading him with our Complaints in the time of pressing Afflictions:
The Council has thought meet to appoint and set apart the 29th day of this instant June, as a day of Solemn Thanksgiving and praise to God for such his Goodness and Favour, many Particulars of which mercy might be Instanced, but we doubt not those who are sensible of God's Afflictions, have been as diligent to espy him returning to us; and that the Lord may behold us as a People offering Praise and thereby glorifying Him; the Council doth commend it to the Respective Ministers, Elders and people of this Jurisdiction; Solemnly and seriously to keep the same Beseeching that being perswaded by the mercies of God we may all, even this whole people offer up our bodies and soulds as a living and acceptable Service unto God by Jesus Christ."
sorry, whole bunch of God stuff in there too :)
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As to it being a secular Holiday....
Lincoln's Proclamation 1863:
I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings,
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the puritans were in plymouth because they were fleeing the persecution of other christians, so really it should only be a puritan holiday --- anyone know if there are any puritans still out there? are you a puritan Eagler?...i'd be a lot happier if our secular government didn't give it's millions of workers a freebie day off on xmas at my expense
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I just think its time those free loading atheists come up with a couple of multi-day off type holidays the rest of us Divine believing types can honor while not believin in the spirit of the proclaimed holiday(s).
:)
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new years day, 4th of july, labour day, memorial day, veteran's day, Washington's birthday, Lincon's birthday, MLK day...
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well then maybe a few million of us should just save our money this year if we're not invited. the economy can be christian too- i'm sure jesus will send a few bills for the shortfall.
as for christmas we'll unhijack the holiday from the christians and return it to the pagan festival it was in the first place. we'll make it a time to share and be with family and get your little invisible buddy out of it so everyone can join in
happy saturnalia!
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Mmmm pagan festivals sound much more appealing, the odd burning, naked chicks dancing in a circle... and GOATS!
Christian holidays as so boring.
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Originally posted by whgates3
new years day, 4th of july, labour day, memorial day, veteran's day, Washington's birthday, Lincon's birthday, MLK day...
If you get multiple days off for each of those you gotta be a gov't employee.:p New years, the 4th and labor day are the only ones I don't work.
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first 4th of July..
The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies
In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
..more God stuff, sry
New Years
...introduction of the Gregorian calendar in 1582, Roman Catholic countries began to celebrate New Year's Day on January 1 ..
dang Catholics :)
I said multi-day holidays whgates3! Get us a week man, at least two days!
did I hit a nerve?
wishing you and yours a safe and happy holiday - believe in the One or not :)
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Originally posted by mrfish
well then maybe a few million of us should just save our money this year if we're not invited. the economy can be christian too- i'm sure jesus will send a few bills for the shortfall.
as for christmas we'll unhijack the holiday from the christians and return it to the pagan festival it was in the first place. we'll make it a time to share and be with family and get your little invisible buddy out of it so everyone can join in
happy saturnalia!
I'm christian and don't celebrate christmas as christs birthday. The Bible doesn't tell us when his birth was. If it was an important date to be celebrated, we would have been given a date. But we weren't. So shut up fish, you don't know squat. ;)
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what chri$+ian holidays are multiday? passover? hannukah?
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Eagler, you're not a christian, what's this about? Trolling?
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Bah..both Midwinter (Christmas) and Spring (Easter) celebrations existed before Christianity came to Europe.
In other words..stop stealing our holidays.
Daff
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Eagler, you're not a christian, what's this about? Trolling?
Not a baptist "must witness type" but do believe Christ was da man, raised Catholic - just expanded horizons as I got older
just callin em as i see them
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Originally posted by whgates3
what chri$+ian holidays are multiday? passover? hannukah?
I get two days off from work to give thanks in Nov, two days off for Christ-mas and even public schools get a week off for Easter .. ie "Spring Break"
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Atheists/ agnostics who are "thankful", who exactly are you thanking? It's a verb which requires an object.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Atheists/ agnostics who are "thankful", who exactly are you thanking? It's a verb which requires an object.
You can thank anyone you want to thank, settlers who brutalized thousands upon thousands of Native Americans...
Doesn't sound like there's much to be thankful for afterall... I mean, if you *ARE* a Christian... all life is precious!
-SW
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so if we don't believe that fortune comes from god then we shouldn't celebrate it? you are stuck on the semantics i think and you may actually have a valid arguement if you want to interpret 'thanksgiving' strictly enough
it seems to me that it was more about the settlers just being happy about surviving through another year and being able to support themselves. to me thanksgiving is about taking a break to realize how many people don't have it so good and being "thankful" for what you have.
whether it is intended that way or not, that's what i will celebrate tomorrow. it helps you from taking your success for granted. believe it or not that's also important to some people even without threats from the void.
i guess 'nature' if you need a straighter answer. if i thought god were involved, i would only be thanking him out of fear because i have seen a bunch of innocent people totally destroyed. if i believed in god i'd always be afraid he'd choose to just randomly trash my life next for the hell of it or to test how much i loved him or because he was bored or something. i wouldn't be just thanking, i'd be groveling.
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Because Thanksgiving was a christian holiday it must stay so? I guess christians better stop celebrating Yule and the winter solstice then.
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so if we don't believe that fortune comes from god then we shouldn't celebrate it?
I didn't say that.
I just saw the references to being "thankful" and was wondering who was getting thanked. Since the "Thanks" part of "Thanksgiving" refers to thanking God, it seemed odd that self-proclaimed atheists/agnostics were taking part in the thanking. I thought maybe you guys had suddenly seen the light or something. :)
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i've seen the light plenty of times ;)
(http://www.szczecin.kwp.gov.pl/narkotyki/pic/lsd.jpg)
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LOL
Ban him. :)
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Eagler, forgive me if I give a very uncharacteristic "WTF are you on about"? I don't know what you are trying to accomplish, but it doesn't sound very Christian to me. Just sayin'.*
*copyright Creamo
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Kieran your boozonics is coming along nicely.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Eagler, forgive me if I give a very uncharacteristic "WTF are you on about"? I don't know what you are trying to accomplish, but it doesn't sound very Christian to me. Just sayin'.*
*copyright Creamo
just what funkedup has stated ...
to whom does one gives thanks to who does not have a believe in the Divine .. oneself?
It's bigger than just the Christians, it covers all who believe as compared to those who claim they don't ...
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This is perhaps one of the most retarded threads I have ever read. And I'm the one who posted a thread with Japanese guys dancing wearing only fig leaves. As such, I'll participate.
I celebrate Thanksgiving because it's a time to get together with friends and eat loads and loads of food. Like...Turkey, ham, stuffing, potatoes, gravy, cranberry sauce, turkey, stuffing, gravy, stuffing, gravy, ham, turkey, ham, gravy, stuffing, and ham. And Turkey. And Turkey sammiches!
I celebrate Christmas because, like Thanksgiving, it's a time to get together with friends/family and eat and eat...and eat. I also believe in the better to give than recieve bit, and enjoy giving gifts to the ones I love.
I don't celebrate easter, because it's a retarded holiday. That being said, kids love retarded stuff, so if/when I breed I'll celebrate it for the sake of the children, especially if they're retarded. Fluffy bunnies, painting eggs, and candy and all that. Speaking of candy, I guess I do look forward to Easter for Cadburry Cream Eggs. mmmm. "Tank you Easta Bunny!"
I promise to never celebrate Ash Wednesday, as I think participating in rituals where ashes are smeared on your forehead is goofy. Well, unless it gets commercialised like Thanksgiving and Christmas and I can eat loads of turkey, then I might go back on my word.
Well, that about does it. Carry on with the discussion 'tards, I salute you! :D
SOB
...and have a happy Turkey Day!
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I give Thanks every holiday for the superstitions that provide them to me.
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I never could figure out Mardi Gras, a day to celebrate being a fool. Then starts Lent the next day, and it lasts for 40 days...a time to straighten up and fly right.
Why not just live consistently all year round? I'm not completely down on Mardi Gras, it's fun for kids. At least that's how I remembered it when I was a kid, (the floats were pulled by mules back then in the 60s.) Adults use it to get drunk and go crazy. Guess I'm missing the point. The way I see it is, the self annointed get to ride on floats and throw useless junk to the peasants on the street...who fight each other for a moon pie LOL. What good comes from drunks falling off floats and getting run over?
I remember one time in high school our group had a bus for a parade. One of our members climbed on top of the bus and reached down to shake hands with another member on the ground. Well guess what. The guy on the ground yanked the other fellow off the bus, and he landed flat on the concrete pavement. Didn't get hurt, he was too drunk. Jumped up and ran back in the bus to grab another drink. Sheriff's Deputy was about ten feet away on his horse, just shaking his head.
I'll take Thanksgiving and Christmas any day of the week over Fat Tuesday. Wait a minute, how did Mardi Gras work it's way into this thread?
Carry on......
:D
Les
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Originally posted by Eagler
Not a baptist "must witness type" but do believe Christ was da man, raised Catholic - just expanded horizons as I got older
just callin em as i see them
Keep right on expanding those horizons.
Try to stop just short of persecution.
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what you're talking about leslie is called traditional catholic hypocrisy. sin during the week and then the priest will give you the number of our 'fathers', 'hail marys' or candles or whatever it will take to redeem yourself. i think i missed the part of the bible where some human forgives your sins.
i've always had trouble with their rituals honestly. for example do you really think god counts when you pray? " oh, that was only 3 hail mary's- the priest said 4 so i am not forgiving you-hmmmpf!" why not just one sincere private prayer? why is god so manic?
and what the hell does mary have to do with anything? i thought she was only a delivery vehicle, apparantly i missed the part where she is supposed to be prayed to and her likeness should be reproduced for dashboards across the globe. christians get all the cool toys ;)
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I agree with Creamo, and match his views almost exactly. Thanksgiving to me is getting together with friends and enjoying a good meal...not giving thanks to a divine figure.
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Mr. Fish, I am not a Catholic and don't know much about the rituals. It's not easy to ask for forgiveness from God, then go and sin no more. Nevertheless, I've been told whether I pray in private, or during rituals, God hears the prayer. This was told me by a Catholic nun, who is a registered nurse and surgeon's assistant in the OR. She hired me to do some statue repairs (religious figures) for the hospital she worked at. Also worked on some statuary repair in the Cathedral downtown. That was way cool. The work environment was majestic, and awesome beyond words.
Here's wishing you and everyone who reads this, a happy and safe Thanksgiving.
Les
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Originally posted by Eagler
I get two days off from work to give thanks in Nov, two days off for Christ-mas and even public schools get a week off for Easter .. ie "Spring Break"
Lucky 8@$+@rd.
i get January 1, July 4, 4th Thursday in November & December 25 (& 23 days paid leave)
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Originally posted by Eagler
Can you non believers in God tell me if you celebrate Thanksgiving?
I know you sneak in Christmas & Easter, just wondering about this spiritual holiday too?
Have a Happy Thanksgiving - and Give Thanks
Considering that Thanksgiving isn't a religious holiday but a time where you gather with family and friends and enjoy their company, yes I'm celebrating Thanksgiving and giving Thanks. Giving thanks to my parents for raising me and making me the person I am and to my friends that have provided me good company all these years. And giving thanks that I live in a country where people like you and me can live together despite our differences.
Oh and by the way...Christmas isn't really a Christian holiday, they just hijacked it. If you read some, you'll know that it was infact a pagan Roman ritual that Christians later claimed as their own. Same with Easter, old Druid/Celtic holiday that got hijacked.
Now I wonder if you'll be celebrating Halloween next year :c)
Ack-Ack
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I don't remember much from history class but I allways thought that thanksgiving was about giving thanks to the indians, you know corn, squanto the feast and all that .
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Originally posted by Samm
I don't remember much from history class but I allways thought that thanksgiving was about giving thanks to the indians, you know corn, squanto the feast and all that .
Samm is right on with his history. Thanksgiving was a feast celebrating friendship between the Pilgrims and the Indians. They got together and went "fowling", collecting ducks and geese, about 60 birds. Some of the group thought that wouldn't be enough, so they went out and got five deer. They ate venison and ducks, and had squash and corn. But no pumpkin pie...sugar was not available.*
Les
*The History Channel
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What about cheap wine? Didn't they get blotto on cheap wine and watch the game?:)
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That's what they used the sugar for.:)
Wonder if those guys set up a shooting range for the games...Indians vs. Pilgrims in a target shooting extravaganza, Tomahawk throwing, bows and arrows, flintlock rifles and pistols... with prizes awarded to the winners in all catagories. Hummm.....
Les
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My stay in America spanned three Thanksgivings and three Christmases. I got invited to dinner somewhere on all 6 occasions - such is the hospitality of America. On the first Thanksgiving, my (black) house sharing friend invited me to join him and his family in Kentucky. I was the only white guy at the table... and yet no-one blinked an eye about it.
As one experienced in dealing with differing religious beliefs within the same family, I would say enjoy TG the way you want - and let others do the same.
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Leslie-
I don't want to speak for Creamo- he can do that himself. I merely stole his trademark line "Just sayin'"... it's sort of a Creamo standard.
To the rest-
I don't think it's a great thing to use a holiday to create division. Gee whiz, as if there wasn't anything to really fight about, we have to go looking for trouble- and over a holiday at that!
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Have a safe & happy holiday ... :)
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Doesn't anybody care about the turkeys?
Thousands and thousands murdered!
TURKEY REPARATIONS!
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Tard. I was just about to go on about celebrating Halloween as the holiest of all 365 days.
I'll save that for another God Bashing good time...............
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Doesn't anybody care about the turkeys?
Thousands and thousands murdered!
TURKEY REPARATIONS!
I honor the sacrifice of the turkeys.
[homer]Mmmmm, turkey.[/homer]
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Originally posted by Kieran
Leslie-
I don't want to speak for Creamo- he can do that himself. I merely stole his trademark line "Just sayin'"... it's sort of a Creamo standard.
To the rest-
I don't think it's a great thing to use a holiday to create division. Gee whiz, as if there wasn't anything to really fight about, we have to go looking for trouble- and over a holiday at that!
I'm not looking for trouble 'til the holidays are over, but what does that mean Kieran? :D
Les