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Title: just sayin'...
Post by: beet1e on November 29, 2002, 10:39:40 AM
Hope you all had a good TG.
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Post by: Wlfgng on November 29, 2002, 10:40:24 AM
it sucked

I'm sore as hell and my pants are tight fitting today
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Post by: Curval on November 29, 2002, 11:35:32 AM
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
I'm sore as hell and my pants are tight fitting today


...you are sore?  Dare I ask why?  It isn't related to the pants being tight I hope.;)
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Post by: lazs2 on November 29, 2002, 11:53:18 AM
mine was fine.
lazs

"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something
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Post by: RightF00T on November 29, 2002, 12:01:16 PM
LMAO Lazs:D
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Post by: SLO on November 29, 2002, 12:07:25 PM
my spaghetti sauce was just wonderful:D
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Post by: Wlfgng on November 29, 2002, 12:12:27 PM
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...you are sore? Dare I ask why? It isn't related to the pants being tight I hope.


lol.. nope.  skiied all day in untracked snow.. the snow was heavy and wet (early season snow) and deep.. was awesome but man what a lot of work!

I got lazy about 2o'clock and started hitting blue groomers.

then it was food and drink until I passed out around 7:30 :)

got more great pics but am too lazy right now to post them!  heh
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Post by: lazs2 on November 29, 2002, 12:15:44 PM
ya know... we could probly stop the sensless slaughter caused by skiiing if we would just have some sensible ski ba... er ah "controls"   just because I don't ski has nothing to do with it.
lazs

"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something
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Post by: Wlfgng on November 29, 2002, 12:17:49 PM
we tried lazs!!!  ok.. so we had a Snowboard ban.. but the local libs let 'em back on the mountain !!!
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Post by: Toad on November 29, 2002, 01:58:46 PM
Mine started out great but as the delicious smell of roasting turkey filled the house I began thinking about the cost of Thanksgiving.

All those millions of innocent turkeys.... cruelly slaughtered.... by industry assassins....

I just... couldn't enjoy


I'm sorry... it's just too painful. I have to stop now.
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Post by: Wlfgng on November 29, 2002, 02:19:40 PM
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by industry assassins....


quit pointing fingers...


_____________
The Assassins
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Post by: Toad on November 29, 2002, 02:40:01 PM
Sorta figured you Assassins were turkeys; didn't know you were actually in the food industry though.. ;)

I actually had great Thanksgiving. Big family reunion that went pretty much like Norman Rockwell painted them.

Have a lot to be thankful for this year too.... not the least of which is living here in the USA under our Constitution. :D If ya know what I mean.
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Post by: Wlfgng on November 29, 2002, 02:51:17 PM
I'll shoot it if it crosses my windscreen !    :)

sometimes I wish my jeep were equipped with a couple of 30mm up front for those damned deer/elk that like to jump out in front of me at night...
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Post by: lazs2 on November 29, 2002, 03:50:20 PM
I know what ya mean toad...
lazs

"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms each year... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something
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Post by: beet1e on November 29, 2002, 04:38:40 PM
Mr. Toad!  Glad you had a good one. I always enjoyed TG when I was there.

I wondered if you were OK to carve the turkey - I mean, could you find in your house a sharp object? :D If not, you might have had to use a gun barrel, as Bounder described. After all, guns have soooooo many uses. :p
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Post by: Toad on November 29, 2002, 04:42:44 PM
I probably have as many guns as I have sharp objects.

In fact, I've owned sharp objects for many years and never once have they made me go out and stab/slice/cut/puncture another human being with one. Who'd have thought, eh?

I have used guns to harvest many, many Thanksgiving dinners of various species; I always thought emulating the actual Pilgrim feast was a nice idea.

And, for the record, let all notice who first brought up "guns" in this thread. It's not me. :D
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Post by: Wlfgng on November 29, 2002, 04:51:22 PM
lazs ya bastige !    :eek:
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Post by: poopster on November 29, 2002, 05:23:20 PM
I actually had two dinners. The first around 3pm where a previously slaughtered and dressed turkey was served.

The second was around 8pm where a butchered steer was served...

Both were very good and I didn't have to get my hands dirty with killing them..

But I personally killed 12 beers..

The poor bastages..


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nopoop
The Blue Knights

Chicken Cordon Bleu

Recipe courtesy Emeril Lagasse...

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/pc9ee768f145c87d974cb0b67b2350dcb/fcfdea50.gif)

ever notice he has bad posture ??

4 (6-ounce) chicken breast, cut in half and pounded into thin scallops
8 thin slices of proscuitto
8 slices of Bethmale
1 cup flour
2 eggs, slightly beaten with 2 tablespoons milk
1 cup herb bread crumbs
Essence, recipe follows
3 tablespoons olive oil
4 ounces julienned proscuitto
1 cup sweet peas
Salt and black pepper
1 tablespoon butter
2 cups Mornay sauce, hot
Season each side of the chicken scallops with salt and pepper. Lay on scallop flat and layer 2 pieces of the proscuitto, 2 pieces of the cheese and top one chicken scallop. Season the flour with Essence. Carefully dredge the chicken in flour. Dip the chicken in the egg mixture, letting any excess drip off. Season the bread crumbs with Essence. Finally dredge the chicken in the herb crust, crusting each side completely. In a saute pan, heat the olive oil. When the oil is hot, add the chicken. Saute for 2 to 3 minutes on each side or until golden brown. Remove from the pan and drain on a paper-lined plate. Season with Essence. In a saute pan, melt the butter. Add the julienned proscuitto and sweet peas. Season with salt and pepper. Sauti for 2 minutes. Fold the proscuitto and peas into the Mornay sauce. Serve the sauce with the chicken

Essence (Emeril's Creole Seasoning):
2 1/2 tablespoons paprika
2 tablespoons salt
2 tablespoons garlic powder
1 tablespoon black pepper
1 tablespoon onion powder
1 tablespoon cayenne pepper
1 tablespoon dried leaf oregano
1 tablespoon dried thyme

Combine all ingredients thoroughly and store in an airtight jar or container.

Yield: about 2/3 cup

Recipe from "New New Orleans Cooking", by Emeril Lagasse and Jessie Tirsch. Published by William and Morrow, 1993.


Yield: 4 servings
Prep Time: 10 minutes
Cook Time: 10 minutes
Title: just sayin'...
Post by: beet1e on November 29, 2002, 05:36:03 PM
Poop!  I can tell you're not single. If that were a bachelor's receipe, as a footnote you would have included washing up time. :D
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Post by: senna on November 29, 2002, 11:06:44 PM
Mine was great. Ate up a storm of turkey then got a bit sick but was great.

:)
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Post by: SaburoS on November 30, 2002, 02:10:51 AM
Had an awesome T-Day! Hope yours was good too.  :)
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Post by: lazs2 on November 30, 2002, 09:28:25 AM
I killed a chicken with a knife once.
lazs

"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms each year... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something
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Post by: lazs2 on November 30, 2002, 09:31:48 AM
beetle... try to cut a turkey with your swimsuit or your hiking boots.... after all.... swimming has soooooo many uses as does hiking... if we banned hiking and swimming we would save 20-100000 lives a year and still be able to cut our turkeys....

Maybe we could just regester swimmers and have our nanny decide who needs to swim and who does not?
lazs

"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms each year... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something
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Post by: Nashwan on November 30, 2002, 09:44:12 AM
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if we banned hiking and swimming we would save 20-100000 lives a year and still be able to cut our turkeys....

100,000? total drowning deaths in the US are approx 4,000 per year. I don't know the total deaths from hiking and climbing, but even in Colorado the drowning figures are far greater than the hiking/climbing figures.

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Maybe we could just regester swimmers and have our nanny decide who needs to swim and who does not?

Perhaps if swimmers intentionally drowned 10,000 other people per year there might be some pressure for this, but as they invariably only drown themselves, what's the point?
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Post by: Toad on November 30, 2002, 02:30:42 PM
No my friends, it is time now to address the REAL killer in the USA.

USA's Drunk Driving Report Card Drops To "C" Grade   (http://www.madd.org/news/0,1056,5542,00.html)

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Last year, 17,448 were killed in alcohol-related crashes - representing 41 percent of all traffic deaths.  More than 500,000 Americans are injured annually in crashes involving alcohol.  The annual economic cost of alcohol-related crashes exceeds $114 billion.


I'm afraid it's time for all of you to turn in ALL of your alcoholic beverages.

Until we can arrange for permanent destruction facilities, please have all of your bottles of hard spirits and wine sent to my house for storage. You may pour your beer out on the ground on the "honor system".

Thank you. I know you'll all support this for the greater good, since we don't really NEED alcoholic beverages to live a good life.

Of course, those of you that feel alcohol is an important part of you life can just sign over the titles and give me the keys to your vehicles.
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Post by: Saintaw on November 30, 2002, 06:28:47 PM
If it makes you feel better Toad, I saw your president was letting one of the turkeys free.
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Post by: lazs2 on December 01, 2002, 10:52:02 AM
but if you made drinking and driving illegal how would you cut your steak or.. in this case... turkey?
lazs

"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms each year... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something

To be victimized by brutal criminals is not freedom.
Title: just sayin'...
Post by: Saintaw on December 01, 2002, 06:05:54 PM
gee Laxz, give the guy a break... take a laxative or something, but get over it.
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Post by: lazs2 on December 02, 2002, 08:46:14 AM
which guy saint?
lazs

"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms each year... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something

To be victimized by brutal criminals is not freedom.
Title: just sayin'...
Post by: beet1e on December 02, 2002, 11:23:10 AM
LOL!  Lazs has flipped out. :D
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Post by: Saintaw on December 02, 2002, 12:00:19 PM
Probably armed and dangerous too :eek:
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Post by: beet1e on December 02, 2002, 12:23:17 PM
Saintaw - no.   According to Lazs, guns make the environment safer. More guns = less crime! So "armed and dangerous" would be a contradiction in terms. :D:confused: ;)
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Post by: Saintaw on December 02, 2002, 01:44:18 PM
Beetle, don't you dare use my arguments for yourself! Back to the corner... or I'll have to call the supervisor (Kieran) who will spank you both !

Title: just sayin'...
Post by: lazs2 on December 02, 2002, 02:30:45 PM
yes i did say that and the stats bear me out... the states with relaxed right to carry laws enjoy a decrease in crime..  I would think that increased penalties for gun crimes would also help but that would be punishing criminals and I'm sure saint wouldn't want that.     Better we just keep the deterant..   Oh.. I could make my sig multi colored... would that help?
lazs

"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms each year... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something
Title: just sayin'...
Post by: Wlfgng on December 02, 2002, 02:52:47 PM
no
Title: just sayin'...
Post by: Nashwan on December 02, 2002, 03:43:11 PM
Sooner or later Lazs will realise that his sig shows it's not the ethnic minorities in America, Britain actually has more, and more violent, criminals. They just lack the means to kill people easily.