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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: corey on November 30, 2002, 06:53:57 AM
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what do you want in aces high. i want a B-36 peacemaker
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I would like to see the Japanese planeset filled out, and I'd like a P-39 or two and an early P-38.
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more US planes. :rolleyes:
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Certain Junior Members to go and re-read their history books to see which a/c "actually flew" combat missions in WW2. :rolleyes:
If you do get your B-36 I am gonna be major "Honked" if I don't get my F-8E CRUSADER! :mad:
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End to CTD's and a range vox mute!
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Originally posted by Andijg
Certain Junior Members to go and re-read their history books to see which a/c "actually flew" combat missions in WW2. :rolleyes:
If you do get your B-36 I am gonna be major "Honked" if I don't get my F-8E CRUSADER! :mad:
the first B-36 was modeled in the ww2 era :p :p :p :) :D
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I'd like another heavy medium/long range bomber, a german bomber, we have to few of 'em.
and I want some sort of landing craft which can land on the coast and drop a tank or troops or anything.
and I want improvends of the B17, it really looks awfull, lot of bugs. for example: have you ever seen the ball turret? when you look up you can just see the other appartement.
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A p-39 with russian markings, as well as more early russian planes. Along with a P-63.
Then again, If the question is open enough to make a b36 a possibility, I want an A-10. :rolleyes:
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"Actually flew" combat missions in WW2.
The first "test model" of the B-36 - the XB36 was rolled out on August 8, 1946.
WW2 ended on September 2, 1945.
Nuff Said. :p
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Originally posted by Andijg
The first "test model" of the B-36 - the XB36 was rolled out on August 8, 1946.
WW2 ended on September 2, 1945.
Nuff Said. :p
i did not say that it flew:mad: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it originaly was made for ww2!:p :p :p :p
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significant work on the B-36 stopped when it became apparent that there was going to be no need to launch bombing missions to europe from north america
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HE-111
Do-17
A6M3
Ki-43
Ki-84
Betty
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Fill out the Japanese planeset:
A6M3 "Zeke"
B6N2 "Jill"
G4M2 "Betty"
J2M3a "Jack"
Ki.43-Ic "Oscar"
Ki.43-II "Oscar"
Ki.61-Ia "Tony"
Ki.84-Ia "Frank"
Start an early war Russian planeset and give them a bomber:
I-16-24
LaGG-3
Pe-2FT
Yak-1
Fill out the early and mid war American planeset:
F6F-3 Hellcat
P-38E or F Lightning
P-39D Airacobra
P-39Q Airacobra
TBD Devastator
Add an early war Allied bomber that the early war Axis fighters can actually catch:
B-25B Mitchell or[/b] Wellington B.Mk III
Give the Finns their toy:
Brewster B-239 Buffaloe
Add neat stuff:
Me410B-2
He219A-2
P-61A Blackwidow
Ju88P-1
Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII
Storch
H8K2 "Emily"
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Mossie Mk XVI
Beaufighter MkVIC
Henschel Hs129
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i also want a rescue helicopter:p :p :p :p
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More early russian planes.
And: Me 410
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corey people look upon AH a a WW2 simulator/game mainly.
The majority will want planes that actually fought each other to be modelled before they want to see the ones that were to be introduced had the war continued.
Later when all those planes have been put in and HTC starts to run out of planes to model they will probably start to add them, who knows? but i think for now the majority want to concentrate on the ones that saw action/combat.At least this is what i would hope is the plan.
Theres so many cool planes that saw action why start on ones that didnt yet?
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if some one bails out then the hellicopter can rescue them. and you can get points. and the person rescued can choose to be a gunner or go to the tower.
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Chanter you should be shot. It is requests like that, that HT and pyro see. They will add these planes in 1.12 coming to you in the summer of 2003. People cried for Stuka, we got Stuka, people cried for the p-40. We got that too. Please all I want to see is a ME-410. Can't be a modeling thing as there are several in museums worldwide. Stop the early war blitz of aircraft. These things just add dust and fill out the over used CT. Updates are becoming so infrequent it is mind boggling. Quit trying to add so much toejam into one release and give us small/medium releases instead.
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Spitfire LF mk IX or
Spitfire LF mk XVI or
Spitfire LF mk VIII (all with clipped wings):)
A Beaufighter would be nice, i also wanted a stuka and we're finally getting one.:)
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Most needed IMO:
Italian bomber, preffibly early-mid war.
Cr.42, largest produced italian fighter of ww2 & Will give us an early war italian plane for early med sets, 202 & 205 fill Mid - Late war pretty well.
Gloster Gladiator, Opponent for Cr.42 and would make some great med scenarios/tods/ct setups!
I-153 & I-16 (Must have I-153 with I-16, HTC is not allowed to model 1 without the other!!!! I-153 was actuelly superior to the I-16 in many ways, and out produced the I-16 during ww2)
He111 & B25 - both very important ww2 bombers.
2nd most important:
Ki43/44/45 to fill out japanese early-mid war plane set.
PZL (cant remember rest of the name) but would be very cool addition :)
Ki-84, not really needed for late war planeset IMO since the A6m2,ki61 and N1k2 are definitly able to compete with allied planes, but too many people want it not to include it.
Medium Russian bomber, il-2 is great ground attacker, but they need something a little heavier!
3rd most important:
variants of planes we allready have, like early war P-38. not the most important, because we can substitute easily now, especially with new skin editor, but its much harder to substitute planes that don't exist yet, look at midway and TBM sustitution for kate!
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Ya, you're right Sachs, I don't really want anything to help fill the gaps in the IJ fleet, or any Historically significant bombers to run some proper scenarios, sans substitution.
F* it, gimme some no production wonder plane that I can be l33t in.
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cajun,
You're a loon.
CR.42 would be useless.
The Gladiator hardly saw any WWII combat at all. In what way is it "most needed"? I can think of dozens, probably hundreds, of aircraft that are far more relevant to WWII than the Gladiator.
The I.153 is the most relevant that you could come up with, and even then its nothing special.
If you think the A6M2 is competitive with the F4U-1D and P-51D you're completely off your rocker. The Ki.61 can fight them from a desparate disadvantage. The N1K2-J is good, but we are never allowed to use it in setups because it was introduced in January, 1945 and they only built 400 of them.
In contrast the Ki.84 is fast, introduced in the first half of 1944 and they built 3,514 of them. Not only would it greatly balance the CT, but would see MA usage as well.
If you think biplanes were competitve you really need to go back and read some tactics.
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Originally posted by Karnak
The Gladiator hardly saw any WWII combat at all. In what way is it "most needed"? I can think of dozens, probably hundreds, of aircraft that are far more relevant to WWII than the Gladiator.
Yeah right :D, you should check this one... ;)
Gloster Gladiator II in Finnish service (http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/gladiator_finland.htm)
Edit: heres caption from that site...
Aimo E. Juhola provides a personal account of flying the Gloster Gladiator during the Winter War. Juhola was a pilot in LLv 12 and appointed Gladiator GL-277. He writes:
The Gladiator was nice and easy to fly, slower than our opponents, the Russian I-16 and I-153 (http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/polikarpov_finland.htm) were. The GL’s aileronforce was less than the I-16’s. The GL was slightly more “agile” than the I-16 and the I-153. The climbing performance was inferior at low levels up to 5,000 meters, at higher altitudes the GL was equal. In straight up climb the Russians were superior because they had adjustable propeller-pitch, which the GL’s didn’t have. In airbattle situations Russians were far more numerous, thus the GL’s greater manoeuvrability became almost meaningless. The greatest difficulty was in getting rid of the enemy after the battles. This was the main reason for the great losses of GL’s. I was in airbattles 5 times; minimum number of enemies was two I-153’s (above our own base) and my guns even jammed! In the Winter War I flew the numbers GL-270, 271 and mainly 277.
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SB2C Helldiver
essential plane
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Most needed IMO:
Italian bomber, preffibly early-mid war.
Cr.42, largest produced italian fighter of ww2 & Will give us an early war italian plane for early med sets, 202 & 205 fill Mid - Late war pretty well.
Gloster Gladiator, Opponent for Cr.42 and would make some great med scenarios/tods/ct setups!
Cajun, I strongly support you!
Early med sets with CR42 and Gladiators would be a joy!
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Originally posted by Karnak
...The Gladiator hardly saw any WWII combat at all. In what way is it "most needed"? I can think of dozens, probably hundreds, of aircraft that are far more relevant to WWII than the Gladiator.
In contrast the Ki.84 is fast, introduced in the first half of 1944 and they built 3,514 of them. Not only would it greatly balance the CT, but would see MA usage as well.
Gladiators (Faith, Hope, Charity) were, for a time, the only fighter defense on Malta - also Gladiator was the only Swedish fighter in WWII combat. they fought with the RAF in Norway, too and i think they were the FAA's only carrier fighter until the Sea Hurricane came in about in '41...Ki84 would be a very popular plane in AH: manuverable, well armed, not slow....
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Dr Zhivago,
I didn't say it saw no combat. The reality is that the Gladiator was a very minor player in WWII. The Finns had what? 10? 15? The British used a very small number in the Mediteranean Theatre.
In the case of the Finns the Fokker D.XXI and Brewster B-239 are far more significant and in the case of the British for the Mediteranean Theatre the Hurricane is far more significant.
(The last name of the pilot you quoted, Juhola, is very similar to my last name, Ahola)
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Greetings to all and to all a pre-emptive happy holiday season. Try not to break a leg on the slopes.
Anyways I just wanna say that I wish for better graphics in AH. The new planes will come. I already have my favorite rides available so I jut want better graphics.
:D
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At the risk of sounding repetetive, Re2005.
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a plane
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p61...bristol beufort...
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What I want? More early-mid war Russians seems entirely reasonable & Ki-84, Me-410, P-39, Sm-79, Brewster, I-16, Ki-43.
But what I really want and what I never see mentioned here is the Boulton Paul Defiant.
Yes I know, the tactical concept was wrong and that it was quite underpowered. I also know that as soon the Germans found out that it wasn't a Hurricane that they were shot down like turkeys. I even know that the turret was a death trap if the gunner had to bail out.
Nevertheless as soon as I saw the one surviving example I fell in love with it. It's a nightfighter variant, all black and it resides in the RAF museum in Hendon, UK. It appeals to the child in me, a fighter with 4 menacing guns in the back that can shoot in any direction simply MUST work!
Of course it would be utterly useless in the MA, and even in BoB scenario's its use is questionable at least. But it's just so cool! Years ago a friend bought AW for DOS, don't know which version it was exactly. How many planes were in that? Maybe some day, when all mainstream planes & variants are modelled, bugs are ironed out and graphics are ok, the attention of the programmers will turn to silly planes like the Defiant... just for the fun of it!
Relax guys, I know it will never happen...
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Finnish Brewster of course :D
He111
H8K2 Emily
P39 (russian version)
Bristol Blenheim (Finnish version :D)
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B-29 & a "Little Boy" load out
maybe then I'll be able to sink a ship
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Originally posted by Karnak
Dr Zhivago,
I didn't say it saw no combat. The reality is that the Gladiator was a very minor player in WWII.
As opposed to the Ta-152 and Me-163, which we have or are building? Oh yeah, big contribution there.
The Glad served in the Med for some time (2 years?) and equipped one BOB sqaudron defending, I think Portsmouth or Plymouth. They were also used in the fall of France.
It's a great early war fighter that serves as a wonderful surrogate for hundreds of various early war planes that carried the early load.
Biplanes were belligerents through at least 1944.
Sakai
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A battery of these would be nice. :D
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how about the capability to put a 4,000 pounder into the Mossie internal bombay? (this was actually done toward the end of the real war.
Or the Mossie boat buster variant with the 57mm cannon (I forget the number, but was nicknamed "Tsetse").
I'd love the B-25 with the 75mm tank gun. How about parafrag bombs to drop at low alts without blowing oneself up?
It would be interesting to use personal weapons such as pistols or rifles while on foot (even satchel charges on panzers and enemy installations). How about mixing player controlled troops in with drone troops exiting a goon, M3 or LVT (or a submarine :)). Heck, man-portable heavy and light machine guns and mortars! hehe, why not buy a license to use the "Steel Panthers: World at War" system, which is downloadable for nothing. I shouldnt really drink this much caffeine!
Seriously, the Ki84 seems to me to be one of the most militarily and technologically significant aircraft missing from the planeset. After the war, it tested out as being faster than the P-51H and P-47M at 20,000 feet. Only the lousy fuel available to it prevented this kind of uber-performance during the war. I recall seeing that it was first in combat in China in 1943. The Nik also gives a competitive ride, but these two planes were as different as a FW-190A series and the 109F. I think the Ki84 is definitely worth adding
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B-36, 75mm gun on a plane... atomic bomb...mwoahr...
"I wonder where your preoccupation with 'size' does come from" ;)
:D
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I'd like to see:
A6M5
Ki43
B-25B (for Doolitle missions)
B-25J (hard nose variant with 75mm cannon and 8 .50cals all facing forward)
Thanks!
S!
RR5
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(http://www.warships1.com/USbb67_Montana_LD.jpg) (http://www.warships1.com/USbb67_Montana.htm)
the montana class battle ship. it was never built but was desined for ww2
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look at the planes on the stern
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Originally posted by Sachs
Chanter you should be shot. It is requests like that, that HT and pyro see. They will add these planes in 1.12 coming to you in the summer of 2003. People cried for Stuka, we got Stuka, people cried for the p-40. We got that too. Please all I want to see is a ME-410. Can't be a modeling thing as there are several in museums worldwide. Stop the early war blitz of aircraft. These things just add dust and fill out the over used CT. Updates are becoming so infrequent it is mind boggling. Quit trying to add so much toejam into one release and give us small/medium releases instead.
:rolleyes:
You know there is more to Aces High than the Main Arena?
Scenarios, TODs, Combat Theatre (which more and more people are starting to play in) and the Historic setups in the H2H which somepeople host (like myself).
Without the CT or special events, I wouldnt fly AH, at least not Online just in H2H. And Neither would 50% of their other customers.
I don't get why everyone allways wants to fly the latest and greatest biggest cannons, engines etc.?
I find it much more satisfying shootin down N1ks & spits in hurricane 1 or Val than in a latewar plane!
Anyway, If you havent flown in SEA or CT or any other historic setup with early war planes, you really should try it nomatter how few people may be in the rooms, Its 10x more fun for me and you can have some pretty interesting fights when everyones not in N1ks,spits,temps,la7s fighting other N1ks,spits,temps & la7s!
As for what I'd like to see:
Gloster Gladiator,
Cr.42,
B25,
He-111,
I-153 & I-16,
Hs-123.
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Originally posted by Dr Zhivago
Yeah right :D, you should check this one... ;)
Gloster Gladiator II in Finnish service (http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/gladiator_finland.htm)
Edit: heres caption from that site...
Aimo E. Juhola provides a personal account of flying the Gloster Gladiator during the Winter War. Juhola was a pilot in LLv 12 and appointed Gladiator GL-277. He writes:
The Gladiator was nice and easy to fly, slower than our opponents, the Russian I-16 and I-153 (http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/polikarpov_finland.htm) The climbing performance was inferior at low levels up to 5,000 meters, at higher altitudes the GL was equal. In straight up climb the Russians were superior because they had adjustable propeller-pitch, which the GL’s didn’t have.
Doesnt that poor guy know that climb perfomance is irrelivent in fighter design? You simply tell your pilots to always engage from above..
B29 would be my answer to the post. Followed by a real spit ix and the IL10
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P47M--went 470 level flight..introduced early '45 in the 56th---56th bio says it was fastest prop job in ww2. Course..it wouldnt be 470 in AH...guess that would translate to mebbe slightly-faster-than-La7 speed of low 300's?
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Originally posted by Rasker
...Or the Mossie boat buster variant with the 57mm cannon (I forget the number, but was nicknamed "Tsetse").
I'd love the B-25 with the 75mm tank gun
Hs 129B-3/Wa Waffentrager - carried BK 7.5 or BK 3.7 as well as 2 x MG151/20 & 2 x MG131 (MG131 were removed if 75mm gun was installed)...about 20 MPH slower than B-25H (the version w/ 75mm M-4 cannon) but much smaller and more manuverable
(http://sturm.szm.sk/obrazky/foto/hs129_00.jpg)
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/hs129-1.jpg)
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Originally posted by Pongo
Doesnt that poor guy know that climb perfomance is irrelivent in fighter design? You simply tell your pilots to always engage from above..
And you left unquoted the bit which turns your claims totally opposite.
In airbattle situations Russians were far more numerous, thus the GL’s greater manoeuvrability became almost meaningless. The greatest difficulty was in getting rid of the enemy after the battles. This was the main reason for the great losses of GL’s.
Climb performance was a way to disengage or to reach a new attack position. "Simply telling" is one of the most stupid claims I've seen for a long time. You know, in real life, orders and assumptions just don't always work. And now, when engaged the Gladiators lacked climbing, speed and diving ability to disengage which led to severe losses at times.
As per fighter tactics your best chances to disengage/reach new attack position was either to dive or climb. Diving only gets you away. Climbing allows you to attack again.