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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Swoop on December 02, 2002, 04:05:07 PM
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you sure about this?
Score system is porked. Everyone know's it's porked and for the last 3 years every so often someone will start a thread saying it's porked.....and nothing gets done about it. I cant be arsed to detail all the reasons why it's porked, plenty of others already have and I'm sure will continue to do so. Will HTC be employing a new dogsbody to deal with the new improved whine level?
Top 15 players every month become eligable for the 60 player shoot out held quarterly. Um.....ok, so what if it's always the same 15 players making the top spots every month? We have a 15 player shoot out?
Basically.....how ya gonna stop Fester winning every month?
If this is gonna be like a wild wednesday.....how ya gonna stop the guys who load 2 DTs and circle at 35k until everyone else is outta ammo?
And what if someone has made the top 15 through mainly jabo scoring (for example).....how is a 60 player furball a fair competition for them to compete in? Wouldn't a kind of Aces High Olympics with various events be fairer? I can think of a bucket load right now.......
How will the shoot outs be held at a time when everyone in the whole world can make it? Or are they only for US players?
In some countries does this $50 count as taxable income?
Will HTC settle out of court when various spouses open divorce proceedings due to hubby spending 10 times as long on the PC?
Will there be a yearly championship with a $1000 prize and a snog from Yankee as well? No? Ok. ;)
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Typical whinin pommie... :)
I'm suprised you haven't started a an AH Pilots Union yet Swoop :D
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Totally agree....nothing to stop dweebs from just flying the La7 100% of the time. There are many good piolts here...but with this new system there is no reason not to fly all the 1944/45 planes 100% of the time. Boooo don't like it.
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This could usher in a new era... that of the score-potato.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I'm suprised you haven't started a an AH Pilots Union yet Swoop :D
This lot? Unified? LMAO
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Originally posted by Oedipus
But it may draw in a lot of new players. And it may have a positive side effect by change some players habits who currently prefer augering, ditching and suiciding while attacking bases.
I completely disagree.
How stupid do you think those new players this should draw are? I am sure noone with less than at least a year flying online will make it to the top 15. Also those that have the skill to get there are not those that do suicide runs.
No positive effect on MA gameplay at all.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
We've already been living in that era for quite some time.
Oed
Maybe, but how much worse can it get?
We'll find out I guess.
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You're 100% right about the score system swoop. It needs to be worked on before anything like this is done.
As for changing MA behaviour, it will only widen the gap between the "uber-players" and everyone else. It is consistantly the same group of people getting the top rankings, and sure they can fight over it all they please.
The only bit of MA behaviour I can see this changing, is perhaps getting some of the small group of pilots capable of getting the top 15 rank, who normally fly tougher planes to switch to la7s, p51d, etc for the sake of rank. (Considering that what you fly has no bearing on score)
I'd much rather see the money spent on overtime to get 1.11 out quicker.
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My 2-bits, the MA will be a more land em and less furball environment.
WTG HTC.
And who cares who wins, actually might be fun trying to keep the uber pilots out of the top 15:)
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Wow what a concept, paying score potatos?
Sounds great :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by sax
And who cares who wins, actually might be fun trying to keep the uber pilots out of the top 15:)
That'll be a different twist to a dweeb hunt....I expect each country to freely give up the location of anybody in contention of this prize.
Besides, it gets tiring being called a fuken assol after shooting certian individuals down, this is going to be interesting for sure ;)
Awarding dweebery in the MA is, IMO, a new low for HTC.
Remember when ACM was the reason to fly?
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To me it doesn't bother me either way. I simply don't play enough to even do one bomber sortie - I'd much rather jabo or up a fighter. I haven't a hope in hell of getting in the top 100 at the moment.
However, as a kind of aside, I'd like the score system revamped or just reviewed. The reasons are many and have been posted several dozen times already.
Scenarios are where it's at, for me.
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Totally agree Swoop.
I can see the cherrie picking in P51's and la7's increase already.
Not to mention the ranting on ch 1 when a 'top 15 pilot' gets shot down.
Furthermore it'll be almost the same pilots every month (as already stated by Swoop), 10 of those are not top pilots but merely 200+ hrs/month players, :rolleyes:
I'm gonna make it my prio one: hunting top 15 pilots
muuuhahahahahaha :D
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As long as I make the top 1000 Iam happy.
Top 15 not in my lifetime:)
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You guys missed the part where he said you can only win once?
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"Basically.....how ya gonna stop Fester winning every month?"
Fester, who has 34 kills and 2 assists flying 3 sorties (and no deaths) is ranked 425th overall. :D
Someone explain this to me:
Fester has not flown an attack sortie, and is ranked 609th in the attack category.
Daddog has not flown an attack sortie either, and yet his attack ranking is 9th.
How does that work?
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Because the score system is porked???
(as so many times alrdy stated?????!!!!)
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Innominate
The only bit of MA behaviour I can see this changing, is perhaps getting some of the small group of pilots capable of getting the top 15 rank, who normally fly tougher planes to switch to la7s, p51d, etc for the sake of rank. (Considering that what you fly has no bearing on score)
You are, of course, exactly right. But I am sure they considered this?
Within our squad we have an internal contest (without cash awards oif course). The only scroing that counts is in events however.
A contest such as this based on performance in events would have been an interesting twist, and perhaps a welcome boost to events as well?
As is, it doesn't effect my life one way or the other (yeah like I had a chance at it? :) ) Will be interesting to watch from the sidelines as the big guys go at it I guess.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
You guys missed the part where he said you can only win once?
.....yup.
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It will be nce to hear the top guys squeak when they are shot down but this contest really cuts out folks that dont sit in front of their puter all day practicing cutting out there engines in a 1 vs 1 just so they wont get killed. I'm sure the vast majority of players doesn't get the 150-200 hours a month that will be needed to win this prize.
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I read the announcement and immediatly yawned. It'll be good for the thirty or so people who've had enough practice to manipulate the scoring system. I did that once and ended up ranked 75th for a while.
Overall standing is meaningless.
Guess if HTC wants to reward score mangling that's their call.
JMHO, ymmv.
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To answer the question of this topic "HTC thought this through"...
No, they didn't. It's that few money, so it doesn't require spending thoughts.
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What Turbot said. I'd rather the prizes went to special achievements in events.
Was/Is it Darkblue who's on a massive streak in the CAP event? Thats the sort of flying we want to be encouraging, not score gaming in the MA which is 75% knowing how to game the system than it is about skill.
Prizes for 5 kills in an event, kill streaks, special achievements. All stuff like that. Exactly what the guys are giving out medals for in CAP. Would be nice to have small cash prizes too, even if it's only equivelent to a months free flying.
Gatso
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Do what ever ya want HTC..just be prepared to stop the hacker
amazinhunks that are going to try to put u outta business.
jealous untalented panty scum are the the ones who usually
go this route, but, usually no inspiration other thatn to see
to look on otherpeoples faces as thier plane does the
impossible. Now we got cash involved. I vote for random
front-end inspections for the suspicious.
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Forgive me members but I am in a bad mood and need to vent.
SCREW YOUR DAMM SCORE SYSTEM !!!!
I used to be bothered by having a crappy rating I really dont give a flip anymore. For the majority acheiving a score constitutes endless vulching, or camping in a field gun to horde prox kills around a CV. example;
Joe Six pack has landed 25 victories of the <<---Im better than you muah haha squadron--->>
The MA has become a huge playtime romper room sandbox ok im done...
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OK, OK ALREADY.
I got tried of reading these, so I skipped past the last few. So what I say may already have been said.
I wouod like somebody to tell me what other online flight sim has any kind of offer like the one we just received. A chance to win some loot by playing a gme I and I'm sure the most of you enjoy. I don't see myself ever getting to win any of this loot, top 15, well maybe if all but 14 guys where to quit AH then I might stand a chance, but I'm sure I would still not make it in. But who cares, the idea is a good one. It gives each and every pilot in here a chance to work on inproving them selfs if they want to. If you dont want to, then you don't have to. and as far as what planes people will fly, I dont care. I have shot down each and every kind of plane in this game. it just depends on who the other pilot is. the plane is only as good as the person at the controls.
HTC crew, well done, I think it is a great idea. keep up the great work and by all means, keep the good ideas coming.
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Wolf, It IS a great idea. Unfortunately with the scoring system as it is it does not reward those pilots who really deserve to be rewarded.
Maybe half of the guys who will qualify in the top 60 deserve to be there on merit. I hope to be there, $50 pays for almost 4 months of AH, not bad, but I don't really deserve to be there and neither do a lot of other guys. I'd get murdered in the last man standing thing. I know it and a lot of others know it.
The people who should be rewarded are the ones who do something special. This is most evident in special events where certain peoples flying shines through. These are the guys that should be getting the $ and the public recognition. Not the dweebs in the MA who have too much time on their hands and spend all day bombing stuff with only 4k bombs to get 1322% bombing stats.
Gatso
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Originally posted by gatso
Wolf, It IS a great idea. Unfortunately with the scoring system as it is it does not reward those pilots who really deserve to be rewarded.
Agree, the score system is so porked that after almost 24 hours, I still only have 1 kill in a fighter when I should have about 17 kills. I landed once 8 kills(reloaded once) and I landed a 6 kills(also reloaded once). So this is 14, plus an earlier flight with 3 kills landed.
It's not that I'm ever going to make it to top 15, I would have to play at least 3 hours a day to stay in top 100, but for those who could even make it, if the system is porked, it's a damn shame.
This prize system is shadowing the true spirit of flying in AH, having fun time helping each other. Now many will fly for themselves and won't even try to clear your 6 if there is just merely too much nme. Worst maybe they won't even call your 6 so you die and be out of their way to top 15.
That is the worst idea ever in AH, it's my opinion. At least, get the scoring system working correctly.
By the way, does it mean that the ones with the best CPU/VGA/FPS will get the higher scores? My FPS often drop to less than 15 in furballs, can't aim nme at all. If one as never this prob, it's normal he get more kills.
Anyway, life is a squeak and then you die.
:)
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Oh great!
I just logged in AH, I flew one flight, got 1 kill, landed, checked score. It says, 2 kills in fighter.
To confirm, I logged off, went to web page and rechecked my score. Once again, 2 kills! So where are my 17 kills made yesterday?
Awarding cash prizes on a so porked scoring system is lame. I was already PISSED about this scoring system for not counting some of kills.
I don't really care about scores, but it's fun to know how many you got after one month of playin, having an idea where you are in the horde, poor, average, good, an ace.
But now knowing that cash will be given to someone on a so porked scoring system make me sick.
I'm not going to play more to try to get my score higher. I think I'm going to play much less, keeping a good mood instead of being pissed by the system, maybe even get rid of that game.
I'm just going to wait and see if most people will be as gentle as usual, if they are going to call 6, or if they are going to be lone fighters not giving a damn helping friends to keep their good scores.
I think this is going to show the worst of many people. I hope, this cash prize won't last more than a month. Clouding everything is the darkside(money).
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Joyful,
I just looked at your scores and stats.
You are killing GVs in fighter mode. You don't get credit for this. You only get credit for killing aircraft in fighter mode. When you go after GVs, do it in Attack mode.
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Joyful,
I just looked at your scores and stats.
You are killing GVs in fighter mode. You don't get credit for this. You only get credit for killing aircraft in fighter mode. When you go after GVs, do it in Attack mode.
eskimo
Humm, that's true, yesterday I killed 14 GVs that were attacking our field. So, it means that the other 3 kills(vs planes) I was talking about were made as an attacker. That would explain everything.
But how you know that? It's not reflecting on score page. Anyway, if they are not even count as kills, why would we get the message that we landed 8 kills then 6 kills? It's useless and misleading. You see I was getting really pissed at this scoring technic by not knowing that fact. I swear I was so pissed that I was about to send an e-mail to close my account. Now, I'll just cool down and see the behaviour of everyone. If the game is generating even less 6 calls...
Anyway, thank you for this input!
Life is a squeak and then I die! :)
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Originally posted by JoyFul
Humm, that's true, yesterday I killed 14 GVs that were attacking our field. So, it means that the other 3 kills(vs planes) I was talking about were made as an attacker. That would explain everything.
But how you know that? It's not reflecting on score page.
But it is in your STAT page. This page tell what kinds of planes and GVs you have killed, and what you killed them with. If there is any difference between your total # of kills on your STAT page and your SCORE page, it because you killed a GV in fighter mode, or got kills as a ship gunner or in your chute.
The stat page, IMO, is more fun and interesting than the score page. I keep track of how I do in individual planes more than anything else.
I fly most of sorties in attack-mode for this very reason. I can't resist going after GVs either!
eskimo
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Oh well. I think it'll be the same people. Anyone who has faught me knows i'm not much of a challenge:(
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well.... one thing is for sure... Drex or dmf won't be in the (lol) "shootout" with all these heroes and... either one of em could beat the "winner" 10 out of ten.
lazs
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This 'contest' is a terrible idea.
I think the many reasons have been well catalogued by now so I'll only add one more thought.
This marks the beginning of the end of target capture gameplay.
Why would anyone bother to fly near a field with ack and Flak panzers all around it when they can stand off and pick off wounded pigeons? Why fly a goon? Why Jabo a base? Why put yourself in any risk? Just hover high or wait till a field is vulchable and then swoop in for a kill or two before lunch.
My squad and I have lost count of the number of times we have been close to capturting a base and asked for help from other players (Knights) to finish the job. We rarely get much of a hand. The same goes for when we are in a last-ditch defense of a base. This is usually because there's a vulch-fest going on somewhere. This idea will only amplify and aggravate that trend.
Pretty stupid, poorly considered decision. If one takes only a casual view of the likely consequences it becomes immediately apparent that gameplay will suffer - greatly. HTC has already killed the bomber model. Now he may be inadvertantly trying to pork the base capture theme.
Here's what I suggest. The best way to reverse a poorly conceived idea is to bring the consequences to a greater, more illogical and ridiculous level than was ever considered.
THE PLAN
Whenever you find a top 15 pilot on the map, give a call to everyone else on the country channel and give out their location so we can hunt them down and skewer them! Once located, everyone on opposing teams should converge on that sector and annhilate the offending pilot with prejudice
Hey, that's what they're trying to do to use to gain that top spot so we should be no different. Besides, efforts to shoot down enemy aces were coordinated in some theaters during the war...lets emulate that strategy and neutralize these folks.
When a Top 15 pilot drops to a bottom 15 through such a merciless slaughter the weakness of the contest will be fully revealed to those who imagine themselves worthy of it.
Troopers...its time to dose out a little humility..and HTC has given us the perfect excuse and motivation to get it done. Hey, maybe it is an excellent idea after all? ;)
David "StracCop"
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if you look at the top 15 in a few of the tours some of them have flown only a few sorties but flown them well, whereas others have flown sometimes 10x the sorties or 3x the time online and maintained a similar position in the ranking.
Ive always been confused by the score system, especially for the overall score.
sometimes there are guys way above others in fighter and attack rank but the other guy has more captures or does well in another category and beats them overall.
to this day i struggle to work out how it ends up the way it does.
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Originally posted by hazed-
sometimes there are guys way above others in fighter and attack rank but the other guy has more captures or does well in another category and beats them overall.
to this day i struggle to work out how it ends up the way it does.
I often wonder about what flying a goon has to do with being a proficient bomber pilot. The M3, is a bit hazier - it at least has a gun, but wonder about it as well.
A separate category for captures, and resupply work (which till now goes without any real reward), would take this segment out of categories where it just doesn't fit well.
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Originally posted bI wouod like somebody to tell me what other online flight sim has any kind of offer like the one we just received.[/B]
At Warbirds you get 1 month free if you shoot down Wildbill 1vs1. At least this was the case some time ago, don't know if they still offer this.
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Just scanned some of this mess, three quick points:
1. Joyful, score doesn't update right away, the server updates it every so often. So if you check it constantly, wait awhile 1st and then relog to check it. It won't update *at all* until you at least relog. Also, killing GVs in fighter mode is real bad for fighter score (except maybe hit percentage).
2. Field guns and 5" guns ARE NOT used in calculating rank. The best someone can hope to do in these things is gain .0138 perks and ruin someone elses fight.
3. You guys really think that even 10% of the guys going for this are doing it for the money? 100+ hours for 50 bucks? The reason to do it is competition, plain and simple. Guys that have been playing for 3 years and that have done it all in AH (and then some) have a new goal to shoot for. Some of these people were losing interest, now they are having a lot of fun with this. Is that so bad? Is it bad because they are not playing the way you play?