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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: wipass on December 04, 2002, 02:37:02 AM
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Remember reading a while back, that one way to increase your rank was to spend the first 2 or 3 days simply attacking cities with large bombs (to increase the % hit), and at the same time waste cities and strats in "attack" mode.
After 3 days, simply get in a fighter and pile up points, result ?? At least a top 100 ranking in the month.
Any other ideas or tips to increase your ranking then please post here.
There is no way that I will finish in the top 15, that's not my incentive. However, some that finish in the top 15 will game the game, just trying to make it a level playing field that's all.
wipass
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its simple
Heres how it works
Each player has a fighter rank, bomber rank, attack rank and vehicle/boat rank. Overall rank is determined by adding all 4 ranks categories together. The guy/squad with the lowest number is the highest ranked player
you
fighter rank 112
bomber 40
attack 12
gv 50
total = 214 (this aint your overall rank)
other guy
fighter rank 130
bomber 10
attack 6
gv 30
total = 176
The guy whos total in all 4 categories is 176 ranked higher then you with 214
All rank categories have subcategories that are added up the same way to give you your rank for that categorie.
There are 10 total sub-categories. For GVs and Attack all 10 matter.
Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points
Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures
In Bombers theres only 5 that matter
Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures
In Fighters theres only 5 that matter as well
Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points
For GVs and Attack all 10 matter.
Heres the formulas taken right from the help file. These have nothing to do with perk points.
Formulas
Air Categories
Kills per Death = TotalKills / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)
Kills per Sortie = TotalKills / TotalTourSorties
Kills per Time = TotalKills / TotalTourSortieTime
Hit percentage = TotalTourBulletsHit / TotalTourBulletsUsed
Air points = PlaneDamageScore + KillScore
Ground Categories
Damage per Death = TotalDamage / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)
Damage per Sortie = TotalDamage / TotalTourSorties
Bombing percentage =
(TotalTourBombsHit + TotalTourRocketsHit + TotalTourTorpedosHit) /
(TotalTourBombsUsed + TotalTourRocketsUsed + TotalTourTorpedosUsed)
Ground points =
(DamagePointsScoredOnObjectsTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDamagePointsScoredOn Objects +
(DestroyedPointsScoredOnObject sThisSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDestroyedPointsScore dOnObjects
Field captures = FieldCapturesThisSortie + TotalTourFieldCaptures
TotalKills are just air-to-air kills for fighter missions, air-to-air + air-to-ground kills for all other mission types.
PlaneDamageScore =
(DamagePointsScoredOnEnemiesTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourPlaneDamageScoredOnE nemies
KillScore =
((AirKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (AirAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) +
(GroundKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (GroundAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) * DeathMult) +
TotalTourKillScore
TotalDamage =
(DamagePointsScoredOnObjectsTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDamagePointsScoredOn Objects +
(DestroyedPointsScoredOnObject sThisSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDestroyedPointsScore dOnObjects
Death Multipliers
Landed 1
Discoed .25
Bailed .5
Ditched .75
Captured .4
Killed .25
Crashed .25
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Wotan,
I hear what you are saying. However, some know more than others in how to increase ranking.
For example **** stated that it is far better from a ranking point of view to ditch or bail those 5 quick vulches you just made than to land them.
There must be other tips or hints too.
wipass
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Ok now you know that how did you better your Score in each category.
Fighters
Fighter rank is made up of these 5 sub-categories
Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points
The two most important categories that effect rank (they all effect rank equally but these 2 are the most competitive, which means even a slight movement up or down can effect where you rank overall in fighters) are Kill/Sortie and Kill/time.
To get a high fighter rank it would seem a kill/sortie of 3 or higher and a Kill/Time of 12 or higher is a must.
Kills/death is the least competitive but anything above 2.5 will is best.
Hit percentage around 15 is good as well.
Air points = PlaneDamageScore + KillScore
KillScore =
((AirKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (AirAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) +
(GroundKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (GroundAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) * DeathMult) +
TotalTourKillScore
PlaneDamageScore =
(DamagePointsScoredOnEnemiesTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourPlaneDamageScoredOnE nemies
To get a high rank in fighters its not enough to cruise about at 25k with a kd of 12/1 and k/t of 5 and a k/s of 1.4. That aint gonna cut it. You put yourself at risk and fight. But need to fight and live and kill crap fast.
Some would say well this leads to vulchin. But even guuys on the lo end opf the rank system vulch. Most vulch situation are bad for rank because you are competing with a huge number of other folks. So yes you need to furball.
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Wipass I aint done bud
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Bombers
Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures
Its simple in bombers to get a high score this is what you need to do.
Never get shot down with your bombs on board and never get ditch your bombs. This will f'up your rank big time.
You wanna kill as many objects with as little ord as possible. And you wanna Land each sortie with out loss.
The other thing you wanna do is get 5 c47 captures a tour.
I know you la7 pilots and rank greifers feel that flying to live is Gamey and dweeby and is the strategy of gamers and cheaters but as I said in another thread its bs.
Bombers sorties ought to be planned to avoid enemy contact and avoid risk. You get nothing at all for killing fighters in bombers. So you ack star folk while you may have fun even oif you get a k/d of 5 to 1 in bombers So what.
Heres a tip for bomber rank. take 1 lanc to a city or training facility and with 1 4k bomb and 9 1 ks. Just drop the 1 4k bomb dead center (if ta drop dead center on 1 or the tent "squares". Then rtb. DO NOT DROP THE 1KS. What happens is you drop 1 bomb and kill a crap load of structures.
Dive bombing, missing you drop, ditching your bombs and getting killed and no field captures will make sure you bomber rank is crappy.
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GV/Boats
Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points
Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures
You combine what I told you about Fighter and bomber ranks.
Kill, kill fast and kill alot. Dont die. Kill as many structures with as little ord/ammo as possible. Never Ditch and Capture a few fields in an m3.
Taking out a twn in an ost or m16 then coming back to capture it will get you a good score.
Destroy as much as you can per sortie and you will get a good score.
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Attack
Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points
Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures
Again the same with GVS. Kill, kill alot, kill fast and dont die. When dropping bombs you wanna kill as many structures as possible with the least amount of ord.
Its terrible for rank to go after lone structures like fighter hangers etc. For rank twns are great so are strat objects. You must never ditch your ord even if their are nme fighters. Either withdraw or get to target to drop.
Killing gvs are pt boats are terrible for rank. You put yourself at risk and most of the time its at min 1 bomb 1 kill. Sometimes multiple bombs per kill. Plus since 99% of the gvs you encounter are ostwinds not only do you risk your Damage per sortie/ damage per death and Bombing percentage but your kills/time and kills/sortie are limited. Straffing gvs hurts unless all your rounds impact the enemy.
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Now theres room there for folks to take advantage and increase there rank through milkruns etc. But to those who claim that those who fly for rank are "gamers". Thats bs. These are the guys that fly to live, That mix it up all across the board. These aint the suicide jabo dudes. These aint the 3k bomber ackstars or the suicide bombers. These arent the dudes at 30k cherry picking with k/t of 4.
Hell I just like to fight myself. Bombers are boring, gvs mostly piss me off and the only attack plane I fly is the 190f8. From a few of the other threads where folks were complaining how the new cash prize system will lead to "gamey" behavior just check the kill stats of those who are the loudest complainers. When you see a guy with 4 typh kills and 20 deaths you pretty much know what he up to in the main.
The rest were la7 p51d and spit guys with k/t of 3 an hour.
From my perspective its the guys on the lower end of the rank scale who are the "gamers". But I have no ill will toward how anyone flies. If HT wants to set up a prize for those with the best rank scores it wont effect me 1 bit. Good luck to those who go for it.
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He did u big favor m8t:)
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If what you say is true, I think you've just convinced me why scoring and rank is an absolute waste of time. You have to fly in some bizarre, counter-intuitive way in order to squeeze the most out of your flight time. It's stupid.
"Milk-run to unopposed facility. Drop just the block-buster bomb. RTB with 60% of bombload. Watch bomb rating increase."
If you wanted to attack the facility just for kicks, any enjoyment is completely removed because you're milkrunning and may as well be offline.
If you wanted to help the war effort, you're only doing a small amount of damage compared to your potential.
It would be nice to win the $100, but it would be a pain in the arse to do, IMO. Kind of like working. ;)
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you are correct Dowding but its closer to "real" then what you see now. If in ah you could just load a 4k you would you cant so you carry the extra ord.
You need to plan a route that avoids the enemy.
1 bomber has very little impact on the "war effort".
Bombers get flown at a reasonable alt. No 3k death runs or dive bombing from 30k.
I agree its boring. But you get plenty of milkrunners hitting these targets anyway. Most miss and end up with at a low end rank. Milkrunning happens whether its about rank or not.
Theres a balance you can achieve between straight rank flying and having fun.
I myself care nothing about the "war effort". Its because of the "war effort" we have massed suicide raids and dive bombing buffs. I dont care who resets who or who gets those 20 perks. The best way to improve your rank is to look at the guy ranked higher then you, look at all the numbers and work on improving in those areas where you lack. But this is only for those who give a crap about rank.
Also its not like taking these steps to improve your rank are overwhelmingly time consuming. In less then 5 sorties your bomber rank will be far above the averge.
It all depends on what you want out of ah. If your stats and rank mean something to you or if you want to try and get the prize money then here is the "easiest" way to do it.
If you enjoy ah for the air combat or flying with friends and stats mean nothing to you well good. If you enjoy helping your side "win" the war thats great to.
But some of the animosity that this contest brought out is absurd, especially when you look at the guys complaining.
Its all about fun. Some will have fun trying to "win" the money. Some will have fun hunting some these guys down to stop umm.
Some could careless about the whole thing.
YMMV
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wotan
Thanks, made a lot of sense and I am sure will be of help to quite a few players as well as me.
Whilst I don't spend my energy on attaining rank. I do aim for a top 100 spot, made it once I think.
Thanks again
wipass
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Originally posted by Wotan
. These are the guys that fly to live
The whole secret to rank. RTB, fly to live
And, hit what you shoot or bomb.
Real simple, real easy. Look! I explained it in one sentance
:cool:
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The reason why I don't like the idea is this.
Up till now AH was a mixture of people flying lonewolf, or in squadron, playing to win the war, or just for fun. The MA consists of cherry pickers, milkrunners, perk dweebs, furball maniacs, vulchers, dedicated GV drivers, dedicated bomber pilots, late war plane fanatics, early war plane fanatics, just plain 'one plane or plane series' fanatics, suicide dweebs, score potatos, etc etc etc.
People do what they want to do in the MA pure for pleasure nothing more nothing less.
Why lobside this balance by rewarding just a certain type of players (score fanatics) for their high overal rank? I really don't see the point. It leads to the idea that high scored players are 'better AH gamers' than for instant dedicated bomber pilots or GV drivers, which are game features HTC included himself.
I don't give a damn about the money, but it seems to me that money prices belong to Events and tournements, and not to the daily fun in the MA.
Oh, and ya can check my stats anytime, it's pointless, because I don't fly for score.
;)
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I was just speaking aloud. If people want to go for this cash bonanza, then good luck to them. :)
I was just surprised by the lengths you would have to go to, to get that all important ranking.
I will say this though, when I used to play AH more, I could consistently get in the top 10 attack rating simply by doing my usual tiffie anti-vh jabo runs and maybe downing a flak panzer or unwary fighter. That's the only category that seems to suit my style of play (or maybe, vice versa ;)).
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Well done on the stat explanation Wotan
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and who cares about rank?
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Very well said Apar, I couldn't agree more.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
and who cares about rank?
The CV Captains care. The top 15 care. That's about it.
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I say give the 100 bucks to the best Hog pilot :D
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Originally posted by Apar
The reason why I don't like the idea is this.
Up till now AH was a mixture of people flying lonewolf, or in squadron, playing to win the war, or just for fun. The MA consists of cherry pickers, milkrunners, perk dweebs, furball maniacs, vulchers, dedicated GV drivers, dedicated bomber pilots, late war plane fanatics, early war plane fanatics, just plain 'one plane or plane series' fanatics, suicide dweebs, score potatos, etc etc etc.
People do what they want to do in the MA pure for pleasure nothing more nothing less.
Why lobside this balance by rewarding just a certain type of players (score fanatics) for their high overal rank? I really don't see the point. It leads to the idea that high scored players are 'better AH gamers' than for instant dedicated bomber pilots or GV drivers, which are game features HTC included himself.
I don't give a damn about the money, but it seems to me that money prices belong to Events and tournements, and not to the daily fun in the MA.
Oh, and ya can check my stats anytime, it's pointless, because I don't fly for score.
;)
Amen, Apar! This has to rank as one of the most reasonable, lucid posts in here in a very long time.
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Wotan, your explanation only serves to prove that it is gaming the game to increase rank.
If it was a real war (I know it's not) you would probably recieve a court marshal for dropping only 1 bomb on a target and then coming home. When you go out on a combat mission, your objective should be destruction of the target and earning rank by your acheivement. By someone dropping the one 4k bomb and going home, they are just proving that they are playing a statisitcs game to inflate hit%.
Fighters should be able to lug ords to target, drop them and kill stuff and get credit for it without having to select that particular scoring catagory and play another numbers game. Many fighters (myself included) bring ords to an enemy airfield to cripple strat targets, even though I am scoring in the fighter catagory.
Kills/time is also a BS factor for fighter scoring. In order to get a high K/T, you need to furball. That usually means low altitude fights in a big mass of planes, which basically precludes E fighters with .50 caliber guns.
Question: What plane(s) do the guys with K/T over 10.0 use to get those numbers?
Question: What is the highest K/T acheived in a P-51 since the current flight model?
Question: What is the average K/T acheived in a P-51 since the current flight model?
Personally, I would like to see a break down of the ranking figures for each aircraft, rather than having them all lumped together. Would be interesting to see for all vehicle types as well.
Bottom line is, you shouldn't have to pick and choose targets and worry about how many bombs it took to kill the target you engaged. In real war, the object was to kill the target and not worry about if it was done in 1 or 2 or even 10 bombs.
IMO, hit % should be removed from the rank equation after you reach a minimum number (say 12% for fighters). This eliminates the 'spray and pray' types, but doesn't hurt guys that aren't shooting potatos and getting 1 ping kills.
The same thing for bombers. If you can get your bomb hit % above 50%, then hit % should no longer be a factor in ranking. The way it is now, any bomber that goes out to carpet bomb a target is being penalized. And on larger raids, where 2 or more bombers are working together, there just aren't enough targets to hit.
With the current target layouts (strats and fields) and the new bombing system, it is basically impossible to destroy the entire target without having several bombs missing. So the system lets the LANC pilot who dropped one bomb on the city to rank higher than the B17 pilot who leveled an entire flack factory. THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG
I do not like HTCs ranking system, and I do not like the idea of playing statistics to get a high rank. IMO Ranking high should be all about getting kills and getting home again, regardless of how long it take to do it.
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Best way to goose your bomber score....
Take a single Lanc to a capped feild..Take 14 1K eggs...Salvo set to 3...Jabo 4 hangers and drop the last two on VH or town...Then strafe town with your mg's and land.Watch your buff score soar
....Jabo in lanc is easy,just practice offline.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Best way to goose your bomber score....
Take a single Lanc to a capped feild..Take 14 1K eggs...Salvo set to 3...Jabo 4 hangers and drop the last two on VH or town...Then strafe town with your mg's and land.Watch your buff score soar
....Jabo in lanc is easy,just practice offline.
By "goose" I am sure you meant to say, "screw up".
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Don't forget to strafe your own hangars while in FIGHTER mode to improve your gunnery ;)
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Seems to be the easiest way is to have two accounts, and I suspect it is happening already. Two accounts, two P.C.'s on a home network. Logon early morning when not many people are on and keep killing yourself. I think it is already happening - was on last night (4.00 a.m. EST) when someone landed over 70 kills in a field gun! That equated to over the total of any two sides combined.
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Originally posted by Turbot
By "goose" I am sure you meant to say, "screw up".
Killing 5 hangers and a town in one plane and landing safely will screw up your score?..lol
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Real quick as i am off to launch
Kev367th
Field gun kills arent included in your rank. Even if someone does the dual account thing they still have to deack a field and respawn over and over to get kills. You can get kills faster doing a regular vulch. Read above about k/t and Fighter rank to understand.
Ripsnort
Wrong
you cant strafe your own hanger to improve your hit % in fighters. The only hit % that counts for fighter rank is hit % vrs nme (includes planes bombers and even gvs). Hits against objects are not counted in fighter rank.
Sirloin you are porkin bomber rank that way. If you just drop the 4k on the twn it would be better for your rank because 1 bomb will kill multiple targets and your hit % will be well above 100 %. To kill a hanger with 1 k 4k bomb is 1 bomb for 1 object destroyed and your hit % will be 100%. If you use 2 2ks then it will be 2 bombs to kill1 structure, or if you use 1ks its 3 bombs per 1 structure and you hit % goes down below 100%. Yes you screw your bomb rank up that way.
Midnight
In real war bombers sorties are planned in detail with primary and alt targets. Sometimes bombers turned back with out dropping on anything.
Fighters flew 6 hour sorties many times never seeing a an nme. In rl war dieing was feared and the guys who could get kills and bring his aircraft home was rewarded.
But this a game like you said.
This following is not directed at anyone person. I have to include this disclaimer because I will get 10 guys telling me that it doesnt aply to them as if I said it did.
Anyone can maintain a high k/d flying the fastest plane in ah and flying 5 k above the nearest enemy. These tactics make sense in a real war, Aces High is a game about air combat. Spending an hour cruising around looking for ez kills so you can practice "aerial straffing" runs is not combat. Imagine if the main were full of these types. I would quit ah out of boredom.
K/t, k/s and k/d all help ensure that folks fight. Its not "gaming" to enter furball and shoot 5 people in a few minutes and rtb. Whats gamey is taking the fastest plane in the arena (one which in the whole scheme of ww2 was rare) and refusing to engage except when you have an advantage.
I dont care how anyone flies. Have fun. But the "score" system should reward players that fight and who "risk" something.
My personal k/t is never higher then about 7. I am not that good and my gunnery is horrible. My fighter rank is rarely in the top 100 as a result.
But overall rank is not dependent upon fighter rank. If you dont "do it all" then you wont be rewarded with a higher overall rank. That means bombers, attack and gv sorties. I think bombers are a complete bore. GVS are just wrong and I usually end up pissed off at the end of a sortie.
But what does rank mean? Nothing. Why do you feel cheated? Rank until this "contest" was simply away to gain control of a fleet.....Big deal. Everyone who chooses to take part in the contest lives by the same rules. No one gets "cheated".
No one looks at the scores and says "look this guy sucks because he ranked 211". People arent that stupid. The top 15 guys dont go around all cocky saying "look how much better I am then you"
As for this contest, who cares. Either you make effort to win it or you dont. It has no impact unless you choose to participate. This post was about the easiest way to advance your rank. Its not the only way. Theres a balance that can be achieved between playing for rank and having fun.
You dont need to finish in the top 15 of any category just in the top 15 overall.
Heres the number ranked pilot last tour. I hope AG doesnt mind. And please dont take this as a reason to jump all over him.
AG had 1300 kill and like 200 odd some deaths
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Images/ag.jpg)
Heres some of the planes he flew (he flew almost all of umm btw.)
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Images/ag1.jpg)
Now put anyone else stats up and tell me why you think they should be ranked higher?
Look at his fighter scores. Could his k/d be higher if he fly at 25k? Yup easily. But he flies lo and heads to the nearest furball and shoots lotsa guys down and rtbs to land his kills. Yup he vulches just like you all the guys that are ranked lower. Just like I do.
As for bombers, well thats how it works kill more structures with less ord you hit % goes up. Getting to target and puttting bombs there gets you a reward in the bomber rank. Ack starrin, missing your drops and gettin killed hurts you. Its that simple. If wanna call it gaming go ahead its no more gamey then capture the flag/map room or any other number of things.
This it for me in this thread as the last few posts are the same "you rank higher then me so you are a dual account own hanger straffing cheater". Its the same tired bs from the other threads.
I would have liked to have seen an award given for events and for the upcoming mission theater. If this had been added for the ct it may have helped make it a better alternative for the main. But the way it is you can take it or leave it. Play or dont its up to you.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Killing 5 hangers and a town in one plane and landing safely will screw up your score?..lol
I looked at your score and it doesnt seem to be working very well for you :)
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Wotan, suggest you try it ;)
Okay, now, put up against AVG's score a guy that has 1/10 the time online, a better K/D ratio and a better everything else, but has 1/10 the kills....ranked LOWER they are.
Score means NOTHING in AH. wotan. Sorry, argue it all you want.
Time online=More kills=Higher ranking. Period.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Seems to be the easiest way is to have two accounts, and I suspect it is happening already. Two accounts, two P.C.'s on a home network. Logon early morning when not many people are on and keep killing yourself. I think it is already happening - was on last night (4.00 a.m. EST) when someone landed over 70 kills in a field gun! That equated to over the total of any two sides combined.
Would be interesting to have game logs you could look at online like Air Warrior had. (AW even let you save the log as a text file)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Time online=More kills=Higher ranking. Period.
Sorry Ripsnort, but the facts are not on your side:
Tour 34 Figures Top 5
#1 AGJV44 Time Online 97:32:37
#2 GPreddy :) Time Online 186:07:27
#3 Fester Time Online 179:28:50
#4 Booky Time Online 69:25:44
#5 Lazer Time online 135:30:56
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no your wrong time online means nothing and hit % in fighters does not go up for straffing ground structures.
These are the 5 things that make up "fighter rank". If you strafe structures in fighter mode your hit percentage vrs nme goes down and it negatively effects your fighter rank.
Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points
Tried and tested and you are wrong.
You are just regurgitating something you read on the bbs.
Can strafing your own structures in any other mode increase hit %? Yes, but against structures and only in attack, bomber or in gvs. I didnt type it out before because it best to keep these quiet. You are still wrong though about fighters. Anyway hit % only effects rank marginally as the category isnt that "tight". K/T is the 1 category where a slight movement up or down greatly effects rank.
Whos arguing that rank means anything? If any one its you by claiming it means cheating/gaming and greater time online. Check bradys fighter rank from last tour. 10 hours in fighters ranked within 100.
I made it clear as to what rank means to me.
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i dont really expect i will ever get top 100, even so to those who do WTG to those who get top 15WTFG i you and gl:)
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Originally posted by Wotan
Can strafing your own structures in any other mode increase hit %? Yes, but against structures and only in attack, bomber or in gvs.
He kept it secret even from his own squad - Wotan you bastage!
FYI: While shooting at airplanes with a GV last night, I hit the tower while trying to lead my target - it kill shootered my ostwind turret dead.
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Well, Wotan maybe I don't know how to game the score then?
Here's an example:
Swoop
10 to 1 k/d ratio fighters
.600 k/d ratio Attack
4.666 k/d ratio GV
Gunnery 13.09
Time Online 3:20
Total kills 34
Rank 132
Whels
5 to 1 k/d ratio fighters
2.66 k/d ratio Attack
1.5 k/d ratio GV
Gunnery 8.5%
Time online 7.08
total kills 49
Rank 10
Its quite clear to me that these rankings should be reversed.
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This is an easy one. Whels has flown 13 bomber sorties (rank 75), Swoop has flown none (rank 1017).
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Time online=More kills=Higher ranking. Period.
For the most part I agree with you. It's doubtful you'll find anyone who flies an hour a day achieving the kind of points necessary to rank highly. Ceteris parebis, the guy who flies more frequently always ranks higher.
Wotan also clearly understates the case for vulching, as many "elite" pilots plan to participate in missions or sorties with a high probability of vulching involved. So it's not so much a matter of someone who, as Wotan states, "vulches just like you all the guys that are ranked lower." It's a matter of degree. Vulching almost always increases K/D, K/S, K/T, and hit percentage. If you vulch far more than the average player, these stats will reflect that. In any event, it wouldn't be uncommon to score vulch-likely sorties in the Fighter category and other missions as Attack, thereby inflating Fighter stats.
Case in point: I usually score my missions as Attack because I'm lazy and don't care about score anyway. One tour (32 I believe), the only fighter missions I flew were in Seafires from CVs parked right near enemy bases. The result of such easy access to vulching: K/D of 6.6, K/S of 4.0, K/T of 20.16, and a hit percentage greater than 20%. Skillful? Not really, but the stats reflect my greater than average propensity to vulch that tour. Only points kept me from achieving a higher overall fighter rank (based on ranking by individual stats) because I didn't fly enough total hours to engage in even more vulching opportunities.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Try reading how overall rank 1st of all.
Whels
fighter rank = 83
bomber = 75
attack = 87
gv = 21
total = 266
Swoop
fighter rank = 14
bomber = 1017
attack = 406
gv = 24
total = 1461
You tell me who should have the higher overall rank. Its pretty obvious from where I am.
The answer is whels. And it aint because he has more time playing AH. If swoop cared he could fly a few bomber sorties and be higher then whels with less time online.
Well, Wotan maybe I don't know how to game the score then?
Actually, it looks as if you just dont know how the score works period.
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Originally posted by Turbot
This is an easy one. Whels has flown 13 bomber sorties (rank 75), Swoop has flown none (rank 1017).
That in itself shows how flawed the system is, my friend. ;)
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Originally posted by Turbot
This is an easy one. Whels has flown 13 bomber sorties (rank 75), Swoop has flown none (rank 1017).
question:
How can one be ranked in the 2400th area in fighters after flying lots, but rank 1000 in buffs when one has not flown at all? Does that mean there are like another 1000 players who've also never flown a buff (to make up the difference)?
tia,
dh
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Levi is correct but just vulching in the main now is different as there are a higher number of "vulchers" at field now. In the face of a mass raid the "vulchees" dry up quickly.
Time online = more time in plane and more experience and seemingly more "skill". So in that sense you would expect a new guy would have a worse rank then a guy who has flown 200 hours a month for the last year.
But time online alone doesnt translate directly to a higher rank. You still have to do something while online.
I cant believe any one thinks that rank = "skill". But not everyone on the upper end of the rank scale "cheats, games, killsteals and vulches exclusively".
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yes horn
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I always thought the best way to increase rank was to drop troops and up a fighter before they capture the field...
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Originally posted by Wotan
Levi is correct but just vulching in the main now is different as there are a higher number of "vulchers" at field now. In the face of a mass raid the "vulchees" dry up quickly.
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Things haven't changed that much in two or three tours. :) There are still plenty of targets for vulchers. Vulching still provides an easy avenue for inflating statistics, and those who participate in vulching relatively more often should possess higher stats than those who do not.
Time online = more time in plane and more experience and seemingly more "skill". So in that sense you would expect a new guy would have a worse rank then a guy who has flown 200 hours a month for the last year.
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Time online is hardly a measure of actual or potential skill. A newbie with 200 hours online this month is still going to get his butt kicked by a seasoned vet with only 5 hours this month. And by the same token, you can't honestly compare two vets, one with 200 hours per month for the last year and one with 30 hours per month for the last year, and say that one is better than the other due to experience. It's not about how much time is spent playing; it's about how wisely one spends that time.
But time online alone doesnt translate directly to a higher rank. You still have to do something while online.
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Well, kinda. It's possible to have a really crappy K/D, K/S, K/T, and hit percentage and still lead in points by a huge margin by virtue of time played. As mentioned by me earlier, though, what time online really allows one to do is to engage in rank and stat building activities to a much greater total degree than someone who flies less often. So even if K/D, K/S, K/T, and hit percentage are equal, the player who plays more will have many more points and, as such, a much higher rank.
I cant believe any one thinks that rank = "skill". But not everyone on the upper end of the rank scale "cheats, games, killsteals and vulches exclusively".
I think the best way to put it is that rank may be a measure of skill.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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if you take your example of your attack rank.
more time online would have allowed your individaul attack rank to get better with a higher point total.
From the numbers you posted you were most likely in the top 10 anyway.
Another 9 point movement up in your attack rank wont impact your overall rank that much. Maybe enough to move you up a few rank places but still only 9 points.
To have the number 1 overall rank your point totals from all 4 categories combined have to be lower then everyone elses.
I agree that more time online can mean more time to work on getting all your rank categories lower but not always.
The number 1 ranked player last tour had half the hours online of the 2nd ranked guy. The 9th ranked overall had half the hours online of the number 1 ranked player.
Anyway rank is there if you care, if not then so what........
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Bravo, Wotan and Apar!
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Originally posted by Wotan
I agree that more time online can mean more time to work on getting all your rank categories lower but not always.
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Time is certainly a factor, but you're right in that it is not the only factor. Flying style and tactics really matter the most for stats regardless of time flown, though flying style and tactics don't speak to actual skill level.
Anyway rank is there if you care, if not then so what........
I stopped caring about rank since the first day I flew. :) More power to the rank warriors.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Well, guys, I'll let you know how my attempt at the 'top 15 goes'.
Right now I'm ranked (well, I dunno, cause I havent checked)...
I was ranked 10 in GVs, 14 in fighter, and 30 something in attack last time. I had 1 good vulch in fighters that got me like 10 kills, but I got stupid and got killed instead of going to land them. Thats the only vulch I've had this tour so far. Haven't run a bomber sortie yet, but I'm not going to do the 'drop 1 4k bomb and go RTB, rearm, come back and drop another 4k bomb' thing.
Am I going to milkrun? Yea, most likely. I'll up a bomber box of B-17s and go hit some factory somewhere, but rest assured I'll drop every single damned bomb trying to kill the whole thing.
I'll let you know if it is possible to crack the top 15 without being to 'gamey'. I've never done dumb stuff like strafed my own hangars in attack mode, but I still usually end up with a pretty good attack ranking. Fighter ranking, thats pretty much a given for me that I'll have a good rank.
Only things that are left are the GV (which 2 sorties in a Flakpansie took care of for now) and bomber (which I dread because I find em so booorrrriiiinnnngggg).
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Two computers networked,two accounts. Up a formation of ju88 in an area of the map not being used. Over water is best. Then ping the lead plane with a 202 (don't waste ammo) then auger the ju88. Land 120 kills with a 202 per hour and set a new record.
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I started to give hints for all categories a little over a month ago and was told, "Stop trying to act like your [sic] smart."
It's a lot easier then you might think, but flying a lot will not help you. Suicide will only make your rank suffer. If, you suck in fighters, then you're out of luck because this category can't be gamed (except by cheating and I bet HTC disqualifies you for that). Don't waste any eggs or rockets, hit what you shoot at, and don't die. Capture stuff.
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How can you do it if you spend <4hrs a week in the MA ?
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Originally posted by Voss
If, you suck in fighters, then you're out of luck because this category can't be gamed
You can suck at fighters and still get a high fighter rank.
Good SA is all it takes. Of course, good SA is boring as hell.
Also working to get a high rank is boring as hell.
And getting a high rank is hard, boring work.... :p
Cant we all just furball? :cool:
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weaselsan just roadkill it will take longer then an hour for you to reup 120 times. As crowded as the maps are you will have little luck doing this unseen.
Besides that only helps fight rank. Fighter rank is not part of prize its overall rank.
Make as many bs scenarios as you want, that dont make umm true. Go check the stats who has over 120 ju88 kills in a 202.
Quit spreading this type of bullcrap. To my line of thinking its equal to what lonz did and it got him banned for a month.
I hope ht cracks on this type of stuff. It only hurts ah in the long run. If you have proof put it up or STFU.
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What all this goes to show is if im gettin run down like the dog I am..situation deteriorating.....more nmy showin up....cant quite get a good shot off because im dodging more and more planes (i get in such things a lot as i usually attack bases)...and I see a green guy comin to save me--whoa....its... (fill-in-the-blank #6 or #7 fighterranked fighter guy....) I'm fluff'n DEAD because he's not gonna risk his rank tryin to bail me out (of course he/she doesnt mind vulching the field i just wrecked)---my point is..to achieve rank the way AH sets it up...TEAMwork is like # 163 on list of importance.
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Originally posted by Voss
I started to give hints for all categories a little over a month ago and was told, "Stop trying to act like your [sic] smart."
Actually you were using your “hints” as a means to insult players both online and on the BB. You do so with arrogance and that makes your “advice” not exactly helpful. You also assume that your way is the only way, once again, arrogance.
eskimo
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A number of folks have a good understanding of how the score system works. More than anyone, however, Wotan has taken the time to thoroughly explain the score system and has offered good advice on how to improve one’s score (not only in this thread, but in many others).
Personally I’ve found that there are so many who bash even the idea of looking at one’s score (let alone intentionally improve it) that offering advice on the subject is all but lost.
Thank you Wotan, for taking the time to post on the subject amidst a sea of score system bashers. I know that there are many out there who enjoy playing this game within a game (however imperfect the system may be).
eskimo
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In the main some bloody good responses to this thread,
As regards two accounts, in GV mode it would be fairly easy. Just place a Flak at a spawn point and fire away, respawn and continue. Especially easy on the pizza map.
It certainly goes to show how little some (me) knew about scoring.
wipass
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Wotan, good job!
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As I stated in another thread, I do not go to any extra lenghts to get a good rank. I just do what I would normally do, and it comes to me.
But for those that want to "Game" then if you want a tip to help your GV rank? Well up a PT boat, sail to a nearby city/town/anything that has things to blow up. Fire 1 rocketa at a time and once you hit then dont fire anymore. This alone will bring your vehical rank way down (good). BUt hey, Im only telling you this because I know there are those that like to take extra measures and get things the easy way.:rolleyes:
Booky
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Originally posted by Turbot
Sorry Ripsnort, but the facts are not on your side:
Tour 34 Figures Top 5
#1 AGJV44 Time Online 97:32:37
#2 GPreddy :) Time Online 186:07:27
#3 Fester Time Online 179:28:50
#4 Booky Time Online 69:25:44
#5 Lazer Time online 135:30:56
The kicker is, AGJV44 and Lazer are both Rooks. I guess it helps to operate in a target-rich environment. Meanwhile, GPreddy, Fester, and Lazer are all enjoying the warm fuzzy feeling that having superior Bish numbers brings. Funny how there aren't any Knights up there.
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lazer is not a rook he was fer abot 2 weeks ag was a rook for even less time..........
Keep looking for a rationale that works...........