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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: popeye on December 04, 2002, 09:48:33 AM
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There seem to be more than a few people here who feel qualified to use deadly force to defend their lives (and property). The only time I ever "heard a noise" in the house and went downstairs with a gun in my hand, I realized that I really wasn't prepaired to handle such a situation.
Aside from military or police, where do people get their training in home defense?
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TV-series
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whats so hard about .........
point gun an shot.......then...ask
"Hey WTF u doin in my home mista robber"
opss he dead:D
self-defense...no prison time:eek:
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My father gave the training to me. Began at age 8 with "Respect for Firearms" training, followed by age 9 course of "Owning your first firearm" (410 shot gun for duck season) followed by "Defending yourself at home" at roughly age 11 when I fired my first handgun (.22 cal). In this course, I was properly taught how to safely handle a handgun, how to clean it properly, and how to use it in a situation where an intruder might break into the home(I distinctly remember the part of "unload the clip completely into the intruder" and "make sure that they are inside the door jamb" parts ;)
Dad was an ex-101st Airborn ranger ;)
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I was trained in the martial art of "kartoul". It's practiced by many shade tree mechanics.
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Controling the adrenaline rush is the key. If you confront the situation in a calm manner your better able to assess and act properly.
IMO, to do this you have to be confident that your means of defense is adequate for the situation.
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I have wanted to go to the shooting school called "Frontsite" for years, they train you for 4 days on how to use a handgun in all kinds of fun ways.
But everytime I bring it up and the 400$ price my soon to be wife give me the look
Mostly it is common sense, like sleeping in a locked room with a dog, getting on the phone and calling 911 and waiting for the cops, and only shooting if they try and break into your room.
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If you confront the situation in a calm manner your better able to assess and act properly.
Ya. Nothing to it. LOL
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computer games!!!
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Frontsite or Gunsite will serve you well, believe me it is worth the money.
I've also taken a few courses in addition to the ten or so at the above from Sig Academy. A pal of mine Tim Connell, a Police cheif in Virginia comes up here to Canada and teaches at our school for SigArms (we are one of Sig's distributors). 400$ may sound high, but guys up here are paying 3 times that to take courses, and we can't even get CCW permits to take advantage of the training, so count yourself fortunate and take a course as soon as it is convenient.
You'll have a blast, and learn a ton of stuff you would think you would have already known, but you didn't.
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My father has attended Gunsite several times, both for pistol and for sniper rifle.
He and his friends (3 Federal LEO's) have been my teachers. I've shot with them all my life, including many of their training techniques. I have also competed in practical shooting matches and three-gun matches.
While I believe that it's impossible to really know how well you'll react to a life-or-death situation, I feel that I have been given the tools and training to come out of it on top.
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I don't have a gun, but I sleep with a 34", 38 oz. Louisville Slugger under my bed. If my wife would let me get a gun :), I'd keep a high-spread shotgun for home defense--hard to miss and you won't kill your neighbors.
- JNOV
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I have allways been around firearms.. I find that common (maybe not so common) sense works well.. I have listened to the training of police officers at a range that is on my facilities property... crowd control, swat, sherrifs etc. It is all good stuff but stuff I have allways done (for the most part)... specialty training like frontsite is invaluable and I know a guy who went through there and learned some valuable tricks.... which I promptly stole..
the most important thing tho is to watch a lot of action movies and learn the proper way to hold handguns sideways... This makes you look like a real badass who knows what he is doing and will gain you the respect of even the most hardened criminal.
lazs
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Also remember that real men use two pistols, simultaneously.
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Originally posted by LoneStarBuckeye
I'd keep a high-spread shotgun for home defense--hard to miss and you won't kill your neighbors.
- JNOV
Yep! But I carry and conceal a handgun when traveling/commuting.
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Originally posted by lazs2
the most important thing tho is to watch a lot of action movies and learn the proper way to hold handguns sideways... This makes you look like a real badass who knows what he is doing and will gain you the respect of even the most hardened criminal.
lazs
Heh, ya ever notice when reading "Drive by" stories that the intended victim never gets shot? Its always the innocent bystander. ;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
the most important thing tho is to watch a lot of action movies and learn the proper way to hold handguns sideways...
I got a question about this stupid little practice.
It would seem that the naturally extended arm (palms down) would naturally hold a pistol "sideways" most comfortably. Why then has no one made a pistol that takes advantage of this more natural stance?
honestly curious.
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Originally posted by easymo
If you confront the situation in a calm manner your better able to assess and act properly.
Ya. Nothing to it. LOL
In '62, before I joined the Army, I was woken up by the sound of breaking glass outside in my carport. I pulled on some shorts and grabed my handgun stuffing it in the waistband at the small of my back. I confronted the burglar and whan he challenged me with a knife I reached back trying to grab my gun. The damned thing sliped under the waistband of my shorts and there I was, shaking like a leaf fumbling in my shorts trying to get a grip on my gun. Fortunatley the guy took the opportunity to leap over a fence make his escape.
A year ago I was in the same sort of situation, this time I sent my dog < A Dane called Astro > out first and followed with my gun in hand. This time I calmly told Astro to release him < she had a hunk of his bellybutton in her mouth > and held him there at gunpoint until the cops arrived.
A big difference between 40 years ago and now. My training in the Army along with considerable time in SEA has made my approach to situations as described calculated instead of reactionary.
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I think a shooter is looking more for stability, than comfort.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I got a question about this stupid little practice.
It would seem that the naturally extended arm (palms down) would naturally hold a pistol "sideways" most comfortably. Why then has no one made a pistol that takes advantage of this more natural stance?
honestly curious.
Several reasons I can think of off the top of my head:
1. Recoil. I would think you could handle the recoil better.
2. Sights on the top of the gun vertically line up with eyes better than if the gun was held sideways.
3. Sights are on top of rifles. Makes sense to leave them there for pistols.
I can't even imagine trying to shoot it sideways. Perhaps just from a lifetime of shooting.
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I can't even imagine trying to shoot it sideways. Perhaps just from a lifetime of shooting.
Unless you like hot brass nipping at your toes ;)
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the prefered 2 handed hold is difficult and useless holding the gun sideways.... the brass (typicaly) would either cross your vision (in semi autos) as it was ejected (very distracting)or hit you in the face. it is difficult to recover from recoil and get a good second aimed shot. Shot groups string in the horizontal rather than the more desirable vertical... not pleasant for bystanders and les chance of getting a piece of what you are shooting at when aiming at center of mass. 14 near miss's are spectacular but... might be ok for shooting four legged animals while using laser sights.
In order to design a pistol that would let you grip and sight while holding out the arm palms down... the gun would be very bulky... basicly square or triangular.
lazs