Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SlapShot on December 04, 2002, 01:06:24 PM
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HTC/Pyro ... I believe that the spirit and intentions of this competition were honorable, but if you really think about it, it is very exclusionary, and I feel, its a slap in the face to the rest of us that play your game to its fullest.
You are offering cash prizes to a very select few, who are the smallest contingent of your Aces High population. You are encouraging the "score mongers" to find new ways to finesse the scoring system and then reward them for it. Just rip thru your database, get the last 12 months worth of statistics, average out your numbers, and send the checks out to these pilots now. "Dollars to Donuts", they will be the same pilots that will rise to the top of your scoring platform for the next 4 months anyway. Yes these guys are great pilots but they only play one facet of your game, which I think is the smallest part of the Aces High story.
I think the largest contingent of pilots in Aces High play the "complete" game, and these players will NEVER reach the top 15 spots no matter how good of an air-to-air pilot they are. This is due to the fact that these pilots will be flying bombers, running JABO thru laser ack, upping from and defending fields that are under attack, de-acking bases, sinking Carrier Groups, trying to clear a guys 6 who has 5 cons chasing him, and participating in Ground Vehicle battles. You will not find your top 15 score mongers participating, consistently, in the above mentioned scenarios and especially now that there is a cash award at stake.
If you want to run a "Top Gun" Air-to-Air competition, fine, but at the same time you should offer a JABO competition, a bombing competition, a de-acking competition ... you get the idea. Offering this one exclusionary competition is thumbing your nose at the rest of us and our participation in Aces High.
You have KOTH .. why don't you redesign that platform to achieve the same purpose. Whomever wins the most amount of KOTHs in a month wins the $100.00 and the next top 14 pilots that achieved the most kills within the month get the $50.00 ... Giving money away to those who participate in an event such as that is more palatable and is a true competition. You either win/kill or lose/get killed ... under controlled conditions, no vague/hazy gaminess to that.
If this competition is a marketing ploy, it will appear good from the outside, but those of us on the inside might/do think differently. If you have money to give away, then give it to the "HTC Employee of the Month" if you don't already do that. Your employees are the real "Aces" of Aces High.
Before anybody posts ... "Your sour grapes cause you will never get into the top 15 spots" or something in that vein ...
I DON'T CARE !!!
I don't need HTC's money, I have plenty of my own. I rather enjoy GIVING HTC $15/month to subsidize the development of the "Internet's Premier WWII Combat Experience" and not have my money given to "score mongers".
This post is not intended to be a slam, but rather my own personal view on an idea that has all good intentions, but really wasn't thought out to completion.
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"Starting in December, HTC is awarding the top 15 pilots with the best overall rating at the end of the monthly Tour"
In other words, you don't have a chance to win UNLESS you play every aspect of the game and do fairly well at it.
-SW
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\/\/ulfe ... bottom line is that "score mongers", "score potatos", whateever you want to call them is what is being promoted here ... and they will get money for it ?
We all know that the scoring system in the MA can be "gamed". There is a current thread active now that explains how to do it.
If one wants to have a competition, then it should be just that ... organized, with a level playing field for all those who participate, and hopefully any and all gaminess eliminated.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
"Starting in December, HTC is awarding the top 15 pilots with the best overall rating at the end of the monthly Tour"
In other words, you don't have a chance to win UNLESS you play every aspect of the game and do fairly well at it.
-SW
So jump to Bishop so you won't have to face their hordes and lose your ranking. I did, this afternoon. I figure I'll give it a go for a few days, then jump back to Knights in time for squad night.
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Well I dunno... I personally hate GVs and bombers, I didn't have a chance to win this contest before it even began... so I don't care.
I was just explaining that if you wanna win it, you have to be good at (or game) every aspect of the game.
-SW
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good skills or good at gaming the game...?
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Rank/Scores have never been about having good skills... it's always been about doing what's needed to get the appropriate standing/points.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I was just explaining that if you wanna win it, you have to be good at (or game) every aspect of the game.
-SW
Exactly the point ... That is the fundemental flaw with this competition ... how good are you at gaming the game/score ... not how good are you at all aspects of WWII Combat.
I never fly bombers either ... so I too was out of the running from the get-go ... but I really don't care about the competition anyway. I just don't like the implication, nor the premise, for the rest of us that play the game other than for pure score. Why do these guys deserve money?
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HTC decided to run a contest... you know what you gotta do if you wanna be in the contest.
Maybe some day down the road, they will hold a dueling ladder contest. One on One or pairs, and the winner gets money. Second place gets something. I dunno...
but this seems to me as a way to get more people to come from other games to try their hand at getting the best score to win the prize.
So it's really up to us, do you want to participate or not? This has absolutely no bearing on how good someone is, only how much time they spend online trying to get the best score/rank.
Most of the guys who will be in the competition WILL need the money to buy themselves a tan and probably a hooker... cuz they ain't got a chance at a girlfriend. ;)
-SW
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Why do these guys deserve money?
Because their winning money serves as a great promotional tool for Aces High. HTC had to set some sort of criteria for awarding cash prizes, and overall rank seems like the most logical and objectively simple way to do it, especially to an outsider looking in at the game.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Wulfe ... You crack me up ... "Most of the guys who will be in the competition WILL need the money to buy themselves a tan and probably a hooker... cuz they ain't got a chance at a girlfriend"
Levi ... I mentioned that in my original post. How disappointed will they be when they finally get on the inside and see what the real truth of the competion holds ... "bamboozeled" comes to mind.
"Objective" .. I don't think so ... "Simple" ... yes ... thats where it fails.
HTC could achieve the same marketing goal thru real organized competitions.
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you people get a life. It was the same in real life wars. Aces were glamourized, while pilots that simply did their job were forgotten.
I think it's a great idea, it got me really close to actually signing up for a paid subscrition. Maybe next summer when I will have lotsa spare time...
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Levi ... I mentioned that in my original post. How disappointed will they be when they finally get on the inside and see what the real truth of the competion holds ... "bamboozeled" comes to mind.
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I imagine most will be delighted at what they find in AH, as so many of us have.
"Objective" .. I don't think so ... "Simple" ... yes ... thats where it fails.
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So you're saying that there is some other method beyond overall rank that would make totally intuitive sense to people who don't play the game? KOTH... Jabo competitions... de-acking competitions... dueling ladders... what a nightmare for newcomers to have to sort through that. It's much easier to just reward the "top 15 players" and call it a day. Everyone can understand that, even if they don't know how HTC specifically computes rank. In that sense, overall rank is the logical and objectively simpler advertising tool.
HTC could achieve the same marketing goal thru real organized competitions.
I doubt that, to be honest. Most newcomers probably have no interest in organized competitions anyway (at least in the beginning). This would appeal more to current subscribers who don't participate in competions than to non-subscribers who don't play at all.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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You know they have these marathons with REALLY big prizes and stuff.
But since I refuse to run I can't win that money, and that's just not fair.
I think I should still win some money in the "Championship Shootout" because I try really hard to care about scores. And the people who do care about scores, they are mean and ugly.
F.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I imagine most will be delighted at what they find in AH, as so many of us have.
I agree ... Doesn't take much to set the hook after playing this games for a couple of weeks. It will be 1 year for me in January and have enjoyed every minute of it.
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
So you're saying that there is some other method beyond overall rank that would make totally intuitive sense to people who don't play the game? KOTH... Jabo competitions... de-acking competitions... dueling ladders... what a nightmare for newcomers to have to sort through that. It's much easier to just reward the "top 15 players" and call it a day. Everyone can understand that, even if they don't know how HTC specifically computes rank. In that sense, overall rank is the logical and objectively simpler advertising tool.
Sorting thru this game "period", is a nightmare for newcomers ... competitions are the least of their problems .
Easier and simpler is not always the best approach ...
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I doubt that, to be honest. Most newcomers probably have no interest in organized competitions anyway (at least in the beginning). This would appeal more to current subscribers who don't participate in competions than to non-subscribers who don't play at all.
Can't understand why they wouldn't. I think that the thrust of such a marketing ploy would simply be the fact the HTC awards money to their players for their skills ... the avenue(s) thru which the money is awarded/dispursed is secondary in the plan.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Can't understand why they wouldn't. I think that the thrust of such a marketing ploy would simply be the fact the HTC awards money to their players for their skills ... the avenue(s) thru which the money is awarded/dispursed is secondary in the plan.
It's just simpler to sell "skill" as being the "top 15 players" rather than a series of competitions outside the scope of the regular game. And since activity in AH mainly revolves around the MA at this point, there's actually more truth in advertising to reward "success" there than in some other endeavor.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I have never seen so many people bail from C47's and other "inferior" planes after the award thingy was announced.
Im not gonna give names, but i saw one guy close to the top of the ranking bail in his LALA over his own field rather then to get shot down/vulched. :rolleyes:
This prize brings out the worst in some gamers.
HTC should put their heads togeher and find some other way of awarding cash that would promote teamplay, or atleast not something that makes the deweebs worse.
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Levi ...
You are as hard and evasive to shoot down on the BBS as you are in the MA ... :D
There is a lot of logic and truth in your posts ... but the exclusionary implications and the ability to game the score just taints the core of this competition.
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Originally posted by gofaster
So jump to Bishop so you won't have to face their hordes and lose your ranking. I did, this afternoon. I figure I'll give it a go for a few days, then jump back to Knights in time for squad night.
Not even if HTC was giving away $1,000,000 would I jump to the Bish ... :D
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There is another way to look at this.
Now that everyone will exploit every trick they know in earnest - perhaps this was just the cheapest and easiest way for HTC to ferret out the bugs in the game and the code. They just have to wonder about with CM eye or whtever and watch :)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Because their winning money serves as a great promotional tool for Aces High. HTC had to set some sort of criteria for awarding cash prizes, and overall rank seems like the most logical and objectively simple way to do it, especially to an outsider looking in at the game.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Some "outsider" thinking about playing Aces High is not going to have a prayer in hell of winning this competition. Sure, some might be interested enough to come into the game and try it, but will be quickly discontented when they find out the way to #1 ranking is done with parlor tricks and the exploitation of a weak scoring system.
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Why not just give the money to the people without annoucing it. Or just give the money to the lowest 15 scoring "players" and announce that. :p
Hell I might even qualify for the last category. :)
Anyway its just a marketing tool but I definetely think you will see the number of "check 6" calls go from rare to never. :p
Good Luck to all who will participate and I hope you have fun. !
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Exactly the point ... That is the fundemental flaw with this competition ... how good are you at gaming the game/score ... not how good are you at all aspects of WWII Combat.
I've always understood that the best way to keep your score up is to survive.
I've also always understood that the most important aspect of WWII was to come home alive.
At least that's what all those old guys told me. But they don't know what they're talking about i guess.
Of course you have to be effective too, you can't just fly around in circles in CV ack the whole tour, shout that you didn't die once, and expect to be ranked #1. On the other hand, you cant HO every con, kamakazi every plane into a target and shout that you have the most kills and should be #1. While nothing is perfect, I think the scoring system in AH has been well thought out and effective. Of course I've been wrong before.
Just once
:D
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Originally posted by Midnight
Some "outsider" thinking about playing Aces High is not going to have a prayer in hell of winning this competition. Sure, some might be interested enough to come into the game and try it, but will be quickly discontented when they find out the way to #1 ranking is done with parlor tricks and the exploitation of a weak scoring system.
They won't find out before they got shot down at least 100 times.
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This will be interesting to see if the "hot sticks" will be flying to live. This will be a new challenge for them and may change how they fly, at least for the duration. That kill that may put them in a sticky situation just may not be taken.
Isn't this the type of flying the Mission Arena will be offering? Flying to complete the mission and live is rewarded while the "lone wolf" type of flying will only earn frustration by reducing their score.
HTC will learn alot and maybe new people will discover our passion and addiction! Ya gotta admitt HTC sure keeps this interesting!
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Look at it this way, HTC succeeded in taking the focus of these boards away from "1.11 when?" to this new competition thingy that is a complete throw-money-out-of-the-window exercise as far as I am concerned. Nice diversion.
The reason why I consider it a bad competition is simply the fact that it does nothing to improve AH, neither the community nor the sim. Some loyal believers say that "maybe" HTC will track the competition in order to improve the scoring system, but if you look at things objectively, you'll find out that the weaknesses of the scoring system have long been established and there's a neat thread by Wotan showing exactly how to exploit it. HTC needn't look further than that one thread if they were intent on fixing the scoring system.
Some cite marketing reasons but I don't quite buy that; people who quit AH aren't going to return because of prizes which they'll never get and new players hopefully aren't naive enough to believe that they have snowballs' chance in hell of winning those prizes vs. the seasoned players who consistently appear in the top 100 scorelists.
This not very thought through "competition" is nothing more than a christmas present for a select few pilots.
-Amboss
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How many of you know me? Slapshot, do you know who I am?
I am by far not the best pilot in the game. However I have to argue with you slapshot. I do the "Everything" that you talk about. I will dive into a 10 on 1 to save a fellow pilot, even if they are not a squadie. I kill CV groups almost everyday that I fly. I deack fields more than the average flyer. About the only thing I wont do is up at a capped field just to get vulched 10 times.
Haveing said that, if you look at my overall rank, I am in the top 15 quite a bit. This post was to prove to you that not just the gamey players will be rewarded. But then again, you would have to know me to know if I was a gamey score potato.
I think all this bickering comes from whiny little la7 flyers that want nothing but furballs. Now since that is all they want, and all they will do, then they wont get anything.:p
Just ask most guys about me. Im sure of what the majority will say. Or at least I think I know what they would say. They would say, "Damn, Booky, Your head is soo fat."
lol
Booky
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Lets through some arbitrary numbers out there. I would guess that anyone who ranks in the top 100 consistantly thinks they have a shot at the money. Lets assume( I hate to do that, but for shins and giggles lets) that at any one time 40 of those pilots are online. Ahh, lets say 36 to make it divisable by 3. That means 12 in each country. Again to make the numbers easier to crunch, lets say the average online flyers for each country is 96 at any givin time. Thats 1/8th of each countries flyers "padding" their ranks.
In a game that's supposed to have a community and stresses teamwork, this is very counter-productive. Would you like 1/8 of your co-workers doing only whats good for them? How about 1/8 of your police force writting only speeding tickets because of the bonuses involved in the quantity they write. 1/8 of your firemen responding to "cat in a tree calls" because they can do more of them in the time it takes to put out one fire? Albeit, those examples are a little more critical than this game, but human nature is human nature.
Lets not forget the 100s of guys who have no shot what so ever still trying for "the dough". For those of you who responded by saying you know you have no shot so you keep doing what your doing, I say thats because you have flown in the community long enough to hold those values higher. This competition was never here to corrupt your in game morals. Where this is going to really hurt are the newer flyers who think they can do it.
I've already heard response to help or do missions come back with "sorry that will hurt my attack rating" or "not going there to get shot down and ruin my fighter rank". I have wittnesed PT boats sitting off enemy bases firing rockets into hangers to up their "hit percentage on objects" rating. Just tonight a guy bragging about his 74 kills and explaining he did it by sitting on a base and waiting for kills.
We all know if your CPID doesnt begin with a "F" (Fester, Fariz) your not getting number one. So whats the point? Rewarding AH flyers should be encouraged, but by other means. How about reward for most kills/sorties landed. Best hit object/sortie or even highest hit percentage in a fighter or bomber? At least these goals can be belived to be helpful in the arena.
One positive thing not to be overlooked is maybe we will all get a better idea of who the team players are and who is best left on their own.
(IMHO)
PS. As to Udet's response about the glamourization of real aces in WWII. Don't ever compare this game to real life. Yes the top guns got the glory while the average pilot got nothing, but those ace's real gift was the gift of being able to wake up another morning. Don't confuse recognition with reward. They were recognized as great pilots, but rewarded with their lives.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
So you're saying that there is some other method beyond overall rank that would make totally intuitive sense to people who don't play the game? KOTH... Jabo competitions... de-acking competitions... dueling ladders... what a nightmare for newcomers to have to sort through that. It's much easier to just reward the "top 15 players" and call it a day. Everyone can understand that, even if they don't know how HTC specifically computes rank. In that sense, overall rank is the logical and objectively simpler advertising tool.
It is easyer but it very far from being objective nor fair to other players. Saying my own opinion about this so called contest: "It Stinks!" and yes you can quote me on that.
I pay my money to be able to fly the sim online and to enjoy it. By paying my money monthly to HTC I expect them to work on improving the game and not to give that money to a selected group of score potatos whos gamey behavior will just be encouraged by this.
Of course my... "score" in any given category is absolutely out of the questin because I suck no matter what i try to do but I would find much more fair to other players to have this contest money (if there really needs to be some sort of contest) divided into smaller ammounts of cash and awarded to top scoring players in selected categories instead of overall ranked players. Please keep in mind that there are tons of people wo pay to play AH only to be able to fly fighters and they spend 90% of their (most of the time - limited time thay can spend online) time doing so. If AH bulds on reality then this contest is really a failure since real pilot in WW2 when not on fighter sortie was for sure driving GVs or mnning cruiser gun batteries...
Well I think I will devote the limited time i spend online to hunt down no matter who is in the top 15 at the time... And if they want to go for the overall score then HTC should put in special set of "SCW" icons indicating that the con is a Top15 score potato... Lets say sort of a perk-tag. Well when the person should get real money for his "skills" then he should earn it... What do you think? And this last paragraph is not meant as a joke... (neither are the previous ones)
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Originally posted by Booky
How many of you know me? Slapshot, do you know who I am?
I am by far not the best pilot in the game. However I have to argue with you slapshot. I do the "Everything" that you talk about. I will dive into a 10 on 1 to save a fellow pilot, even if they are not a squadie. I kill CV groups almost everyday that I fly. I deack fields more than the average flyer. About the only thing I wont do is up at a capped field just to get vulched 10 times.
Haveing said that, if you look at my overall rank, I am in the top 15 quite a bit. This post was to prove to you that not just the gamey players will be rewarded. But then again, you would have to know me to know if I was a gamey score potato.
I think all this bickering comes from whiny little la7 flyers that want nothing but furballs. Now since that is all they want, and all they will do, then they wont get anything.:p
Just ask most guys about me. Im sure of what the majority will say. Or at least I think I know what they would say. They would say, "Damn, Booky, Your head is soo fat."
lol
Booky
Booky,
I don't know if I know you ... is Booky your GameId ? If so, I haven't had the pleasure. I do all of the above (i'll only get vulched 3 or 4 times before I call it quits) ... my score is usually in the 2 hundreds and sometimes in the 1 hundreds, but I dont really care what my score is ... thats not why I play the game.
Anyhow ... If what you say is true, and I do believe you, then you are a very unique animal in this wild jungle. Some of the others that grace the top 15 spots RARELY particiapte in those activities unless it benefits them. Alot of those guys are not only score potatos, but very good vulch potatos too. They sit on the outskirts of a base while it is being de-acked by other pilots, and when "the coast is clear" ... here they come to the rescue. Thats fine with me .. they can play the game anyway they want ... just don't reward JUST THEM for their chosen style of play.
Was in a mission last night where we gained air superiority over A28 and then took out ALL Fighter Hangers (long ride for a goon). Typically once that happens, the call to leave the rest of the base intact is made and usually honored. Well ... NOT ANYMORE ... certain people ... no names here ... purposely shoot everthing in sight and when confronted, simply say ... "I need to lower my score" so screw your idea of keeping a base intact so that it can be used to contunue rolling the front forward.
This competition is changing the face of MA and it starting to look like plastic surgery gone bad.
The competition is a GOOD idea .. its just the fact that the scoring system is abled to be gamed is the fundemental flaw in the competition.
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were you in that rediculous 50 + maw gangbang at a28?
No that aint dweebry or gamey........... :rolleyes:
I shot 2 down in a g10 and left. A stick stirrin floppy fish f6f followed me I would turn to fight even though I had at 23 rounds of 20mm left and he would "stall' and lose 3 k recover then spray like mad. I did this for a few passes then just left.
Like I said in another thread just look at the folks who are most "up in arms" over this contest.
It makes their arguement nothing but a joke.
Half of those guys at 28 that were straffin down the fuel and such were most likely bored. You had 50 guys circling a field with nothing to kill what do you expect umm to do?
The ones me and squaddies killed have no chance in heck of finishing in the top 15 anyway. Its a bit of a stretch to assume that the killing 6 fuel or ammo bunkers by 50 guys is a result of the "contest". Folks do that crap all the time. I doudt many of those guys were even in the top 200 anyway.
Keep reaching.............
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Originally posted by SlapShot
The competition is a GOOD idea .. its just the fact that the scoring system is abled to be gamed is the fundemental flaw in the competition.
I still say what a perfect opportunity for HTC to watch and learn the bugs of the system. only been up 2 or 3 times this tour, but I have not seen much change in the arena except that when I look up I see a lot more people flying in outter space, but I don't fly up there anymore so has not much effect on me.
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Already seen the effects of the competition in the MA. Pilots bailing out to either avoid vulch or keep the time in the air down to a minimum. Was being chased by Spit and Hurri last night, very little ammo left - friendly ups and promptly flies away to avoid possible 2 on 1 IF I manage to land. A squaddie of mine sitting outside a destroyed city in an M3, asks friendly to kill last ack - he flies away with a "might get shot down have to land these 2 kills" explanation. I have no idea how the scoring system could/should be changed to more fairly reflect performances as opposed to knowing the best way to game the game. I would prefer any money went to developing the game further and to ironing out current bugs. Maybe the competition could be held in the Special Arena on certain nights and anyone interested could go there. Not a whine, just a few thoughts, I don't bomb therefore would not expect to get anywhere near the level of scoring (gaming) required.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Half of those guys at 28 that were straffin down the fuel and such were most likely bored. You had 50 guys circling a field with nothing to kill what do you expect umm to do?
The ones me and squaddies killed have no chance in heck of finishing in the top 15 anyway. Its a bit of a stretch to assume that the killing 6 fuel or ammo bunkers by 50 guys is a result of the "contest". Folks do that crap all the time. I doudt many of those guys were even in the top 200 anyway.
Keep reaching.............
Very true, nothing about this would help 90% of those guys with score and the other 10% that didn't get kill shootered likely not had many more kills than they would have got off on thier own somewhere. But heck, to each his own I guess.
(Not to say I am above a good vulching, but when you get too many it takes away even from that action.)
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you've been out our "vulch fests" usually the vulchees outnumber us vulchers 3 to 1.........:)
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Originally posted by Wotan
you've been out our "vulch fests" usually the vulchees outnumber us vulchers 3 to 1.........:)
Which makes for fine eatting :)
A good vulch is composed of 3 parts higher E state and 1 part having AAA and VH dead. A good pilot can vulch a field by himself (one day, one day, by god I will be able to do this too!).
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Wotan ...
Remember ... "If you pull the trigger and hit the enemy ... its your fault" ... :D ... classic.
Rediculous .. ha .. I guess its only appears rediculous when you are on the recieving end. I am sure that when YOU and YOUR country or YOU and YOUR SQUADDIES launch such a mission, it is not so rediculous, but rather brilliant.
It wasn't a "gang-bang" ... it was a mission. We flew almost 3 sectors and came in at 14k. Obviously on radar, so they knew we were coming. You guys had plenty of time to up a force to counter the attack, so I don't think that most would consider this a gang-bang. The group encountered only a couple of high interceptors, but that was it.
dweebry - gamey ... who got his easy couple of picks in a target rich environment and ran ? I am sure that you and your g10 have NEVER done the stick stirrin floppy fish dance yoursef ... NOT !
Who are the "folks" that are up in arms ... no real substance in that one sentence. This appears to be a trait in most of your posts.
You being a member of a different country do not have the ability to listen to our radio conversations, so your assumption of people being bored is just that ... an assumption ... you know what happens when you assume ... you make an bellybutton out of yourself.
99.999% of the guys that "you and your squaddies", or even "me and my squaddies" kill have no chance in finishing in the top 15 ... so whats your point?
Porking just that field in itself, obviously is just a drop in the collective bucket. This behaviour is starting to happen at all base capture scenarios. Even when the goon has released troops, people a porking fuel, troops, ordinance and the like just to lower their score ... THATS THE POINT HERE.
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we dont do missions....................
I dont need to listen to your radio channel to know 50 gangbangers circling a field with nothing to will end up porking it.
Your conclusions are wrong. Base porking happens all the time. Even without this "contest".
99.999% of the guys that "you and your squaddies", or even "me and my squaddies" kill have no chance in finishing in the top 15 ... so whats your point?
I made my point clear, killing 6 fuel bunkers wont get these guys into the top 15. To claim they did it for "score" is stupid. So your conclusions are again wrong.
You can whine all you want but if you look at the top 50 guys most of them are the same guys that were in the top 50 before this contest. This contest has effected very little of what goes on in the main. Especially since its only been 3 days.
Stick to gangbanging... that aint "dweebery" at all as long as you call it a "mission" :rolleyes:
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Wotan ...
Your last post really proves that you are quite thick, don't really read the substanance of the posts, don't really think about what you write, which in the end, results in you bringing nothing to the table. :rolleyes:
Come back when you have some meat on that bone ...
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Bud I could go through everyone of posts in this thread and show you how wrong you are. I just picked the last one as a it was easy. I would shut up too if I were you. I will over look the cop out that was your last post.
But in the mean time I'll reflect back on your original post.
You are offering cash prizes to a very select few, who are the smallest contingent of your Aces High population. You are encouraging the "score mongers" to find new ways to finesse the scoring system and then reward them for it. Just rip thru your database, get the last 12 months worth of statistics, average out your numbers, and send the checks out to these pilots now. "Dollars to Donuts", they will be the same pilots that will rise to the top of your scoring platform for the next 4 months anyway. Yes these guys are great pilots but they only play one facet of your game, which I think is the smallest part of the Aces High story.
I think the largest contingent of pilots in Aces High play the "complete" game, and these players will NEVER reach the top 15 spots no matter how good of an air-to-air pilot they are. This is due to the fact that these pilots will be flying bombers, running JABO thru laser ack, upping from and defending fields that are under attack, de-acking bases, sinking Carrier Groups, trying to clear a guys 6 who has 5 cons chasing him, and participating in Ground Vehicle battles. You will not find your top 15 score mongers participating, consistently, in the above mentioned scenarios and especially now that there is a cash award at stake.
If you want to run a "Top Gun" Air-to-Air competition, fine, but at the same time you should offer a JABO competition, a bombing competition, a de-acking competition ... you get the idea. Offering this one exclusionary competition is thumbing your nose at the rest of us and our participation in Aces High.
What is quoted above must have been written by some one who has no idea about how "overall rank works in AH" or how the "contest" is set to work.
First re read the contest announcement
Be a top pilot and win cash prizes flying Aces High!
Starting in December, HTC is awarding the top 15 pilots with the best overall rating at the end of the monthly Tour in the Main Arena a cash prize! The top pilot earns $100 and the remaining pilots in the top 15 earn $50 each. Better yet, the top 15 pilots for each month qualify for the chance to win $500 in the Championship Shootout held after 4 months of qualifying rounds.
Information on how the overall rankings are calculated can be found here: http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/scoring.html
Follow that link and read how "overall rank" is achieved.
Heck I will tell you
Heres how it works
Each player has a fighter rank, bomber rank, attack rank and vehicle/boat rank. Overall rank is determined by adding all 4 ranks categories together. The guy/squad with the lowest number is the highest ranked player
you
fighter rank 112
bomber 40
attack 12
gv 50
total = 214 (this aint your overall rank)
other guy
fighter rank 130
bomber 10
attack 6
gv 30
total = 176
The guy whos total in all 4 categories is 176 ranked higher then you with 214
All rank categories have subcategories that are added up the same way to give you your rank for that category.
There are 10 total sub-categories. For GVs and Attack all 10 matter.
Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points
Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures
In Bombers theres only 5 that matter
Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures
In Fighters theres only 5 that matter as well
Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points
For GVs and Attack all 10 matter.
Heres the formulas taken right from the help file. These have nothing to do with perk points.
Formulas
Air Categories
Kills per Death = TotalKills / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)
Kills per Sortie = TotalKills / TotalTourSorties
Kills per Time = TotalKills / TotalTourSortieTime
Hit percentage = TotalTourBulletsHit / TotalTourBulletsUsed
Air points = PlaneDamageScore + KillScore
Ground Categories
Damage per Death = TotalDamage / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)
Damage per Sortie = TotalDamage / TotalTourSorties
Bombing percentage =
(TotalTourBombsHit + TotalTourRocketsHit + TotalTourTorpedosHit) /
(TotalTourBombsUsed + TotalTourRocketsUsed + TotalTourTorpedosUsed)
Ground points =
(DamagePointsScoredOnObjectsTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDamagePointsScoredOn Objects +
(DestroyedPointsScoredOnObject sThisSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDestroyedPointsScore dOnObjects
Field captures = FieldCapturesThisSortie + TotalTourFieldCaptures
TotalKills are just air-to-air kills for fighter missions, air-to-air + air-to-ground kills for all other mission types.
PlaneDamageScore =
(DamagePointsScoredOnEnemiesTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourPlaneDamageScoredOnE nemies
KillScore =
((AirKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (AirAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) +
(GroundKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (GroundAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) * DeathMult) +
TotalTourKillScore
TotalDamage =
(DamagePointsScoredOnObjectsTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDamagePointsScoredOn Objects +
(DestroyedPointsScoredOnObject sThisSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDestroyedPointsScore dOnObjects
Death Multipliers
Landed 1
Discoed .25
Bailed .5
Ditched .75
Captured .4
Killed .25
Crashed .25
So you see overall rank is a product of "doing it all"
so your claim here
I think the largest contingent of pilots in Aces High play the "complete" game, and these players will NEVER reach the top 15 spots no matter how good of an air-to-air pilot they are. This is due to the fact that these pilots will be flying bombers, running JABO thru laser ack, upping from and defending fields that are under attack, de-acking bases, sinking Carrier Groups, trying to clear a guys 6 who has 5 cons chasing him, and participating in Ground Vehicle battles.
Is wrong. To get a good overall "rank" you need to do everything. Not only that you need to do it and live.
So your "assumptions" are wrong from the start why should I believe your "assumptions" about why a28 got porked is any more correct?
I will tell you this after the annoncement of this event was made I was in the main. 1 guy started whining that a p51 was "running away because he was a score potato and just wanted to keep is score up".
as if no one ever ran in AH. Just like "no one ever porked a field" before this contest..............
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Originally posted by Wotan
we dont do missions....................
You can whine all you want but if you look at the top 50 guys most of them are the same guys that were in the top 50 before this contest. This contest has effected very little of what goes on in the main. Especially since its only been 3 days.
Well I guess that excludes you then, unless you keep up your average for past three days which will exceed 100+ hours for the month, you might just keep that above 50 rank.
To think someone would alter the way they have fun just to try and win a measly $100 or $50. Damn I am glad I am not some poor bastard like that. People act like HTC is giving out some big cash prize or something.
I use to look at rankings & care, but then figured out long time ago all the BS that goes into determining ranks, which I care nothing about. I am here to have fun, fly with squaddies I have known long time, plan & simple.
Wotan, obviously very good pilot in your big g10 :rolleyes:. I bet though we can analyze your average stats for the past 6-10 months and compare to stats end of this tour & will be able to notice some obvious differences. For starters in first 3 days, your hours are way up. To say this contest would not alter MA behaviour at all just goes to show you are ignorant and stupid.
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i am only working very few hours this week it will settle up before the tour ends.........
But wtf do I care about 50 dollars?
Go ahead and analyze them stats. Or set up one of them Big maw gangbangs to hunt me down..........
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Originally posted by BigGun
Wotan, obviously very good pilot in your big g10 :rolleyes
Heh heh. I have observed that Wotan is a very good pilot in any plane he flies. He may be misguided at times, but he's quite competent.
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Lol wotan, this thread is too funny. Some guys really got their panties in a wad eh?
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I have no doubt he is good pilot, sure he is better stick than me.
And I take back the ignorant & stupid comment. I just think it is off base to say that the contest will not alter they way people fly in the MA at all, good or bad.
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Originally posted by BigGun
I just think it is off base to say that the contest will not alter they way people fly in the MA at all, good or bad.
It does affect how some fly, without question. How they fly doesn't effect me or the price of beer so I figure they can do what ever the hell they want.
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Originally posted by Turbot
It does affect how some fly, without question. How they fly doesn't effect me or the price of beer so I figure they can do what ever the hell they want.
I agree.
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I agree with slapshot.
I want to be a champion too, but I don't want to have to fly.
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Originally posted by Wotan
i am only working very few hours this week it will settle up before the tour ends.........
But wtf do I care about 50 dollars?
Go ahead and analyze them stats. Or set up one of them Big maw gangbangs to hunt me down..........
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Sounds like another case of MAW-Envy.
Why don't you sign up with the "I hate MAW squad." I'm sure you'd a perfect fit.
We must be doing something right if we have pilots dedicating their squads to hunting us down.
Are you still pissed about that mass goon drop?
I'm sorry you don't like our missions. I'm sorry there will be more coming.
As for what Slapshot said, he's 100% correct in regard to the unnecessary porking. It is not only increasing, I had one pilot at A28 say on range that he WAS porking the fuel to lower his score.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Are you still pissed about that mass goon drop?
Mass goon drops are not cool. That does mess with everyone else's fun in a very uncool way, and as such, is just plain wrong. Please don't do that anymore.
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Not to re-open another can of worms, but we too learned from that experience, Turbot.
You won't see that happen again; at least not from the MAW.
I know I speak for the entire squad when I say we certainly don't want to crash the server and ruin someone's game. I know I have very limited time to fly so I would be angry if the server crashed in my little time slot, due to the actions of some group.
I would venture to guess we did not know this would happen. I certainly had no idea. (I'm not even 100% sure what a server is.)
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Wotan ... thanks for the long-winded post that STILL has NO MEAT.
I have been around the game long enough, and know all the same things you have so diligently pointed out ... :rolleyes:
Some people just can't see the forest thru the trees or suffer from a severe case of Myopia.
Originally posted by Hornet
I agree with slapshot.
I want to be a champion too, but I don't want to have to fly.
Looks like you have a severe case of "Wontanitis" ... :( ... better get to a doctor ... QUICKLY !!!
Turbot .. Massive goon drop was fun, but a lesson learned. The MAW won't be doing that again.
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Fair enough MAW guys. However someone did do it again towards end of last tour. Let us all do our part and discourage such things if we see them forming on our country channels.
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RogeR that Turbot.
After the Knight Goon drop, I remember being on during another reset (Rooks or Bish won) and the server was stopped up tighter than a frog's bellybutton ... not sure if it was due to a massive goon drop, but the results were the same ... HUGE text lag and stuck in sheepland over the water.
[edit: oops ... thanks Turbot :D ]
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Roget that Turbot.
OK
http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/ROGET.sh?word=that
:)