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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pepe on December 05, 2002, 10:23:46 AM
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I really doubted wether to post this or not, given the general attitude in this BBS as of lately. Maybe it's only burnout developed after too much time on line, maybe not. But since I will be out of business until next sunday, I think I'll be certain about this in no time. :)
After a couple days online after the score thinghie, this is my general impression.
Each passing minute I see more and more pilots flying the Bishop way.
- People flying in flocks only to vulch a field.
- People defending fields only when they have numbers, then leaving field to the attackers' mercy when attackers have defenders + 1 numbers.
- People running fast rides, limiting their "fighting" to ill-fated dumb tries of the hi-speed, hi-deflection shot...I would bet they even close their eyes on squeezing the trigger...
- Triple A is less Bishops's best friend, but a general behaviour.
- Dweeby behaviour, forgetting anything historically resemblant and limiting AH experience to "How this n' that would paddle my score".
- "Be the perfect lemming in 10 easy lessons.", the standard flight manual of the average Bish pilot, has to compete for its standing with "Being a chicken is not a sin. An essay on autoconfidence." both books are more common than ever.
This is not a post directed against Bishland, as my position with regards to them is widely known and need no further explanation, but a call on those who still care about actually fighting.
I still give a salute to these Bish pilots who still care to put up a fight. It is not only tough, but brave, trying to maintain what are supposed to be the standards of virtual pilots when such a huge number of countrymen are determined to ruin the name of your country.
In Rookland, we used (and still we do) to care about dogfights, way over "strategical" matters. Against Knitland, you are most likely against the "smart" fighter, but a fighter after all, who will take risks to shoot you down while developing his plans. But the lemming jabo and the chicken fighter so inherently pegged to Bishops are a worrisome spreading tendency.
And to those soft-skinned Bish individuals who say or think I'm wrong, I admit I am. Generalization has an inevitable error within. Still, generally speaking, it applies. The pity of it is that I'm starting to see the general bish behaviour spreading. Maybe it's only an impression.
Of course I won't critizise other's way of playing this game, each one uses his own bucks. But I say wide open that I don't like it the way this is going so far. No, I don't like the score experiment.
Cheers,
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... so you admit you're wrong, that generalizations have inevitable errors, but it all still applies anyway...? huh?
That behavior occurs everywhere, not just in Bishland. You can find all personalities in all countries... I'd say it's a rather even mix. It's just that the stuff you don't like sticks out in your mind more, making it seem more widespread than it is.
Focus on the positive and try to have some fun.
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The other country is always lamer. :D
There is plenty of lameness to go around. Also none of this is new. 'Suicide' jabos have been around for the entire 8 months I've been playing. Virtually all 'suicide' jabos are just (usually new)pilots who mistimed the pullout and couldn't do it anyways.
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All countries have always been the same, it's natural to assume there's differences... but they've always been the same.
-SW
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If you thought it was bad last month, its gotten worse since the score contest started.
I flew Bishops yesterday for the first time and loved it. It was refreshing to be able to fly a C47 across an open ocean, surrounded by friendly Typhoons and Mustangs, then hit the airfield and drop my troops on the city while the few brave enemy La-5s and -7s that rose to defend were popped by the escorts. The only real challenge was trying to get my troops closer to the town than WldThing and stealing his perks :p
My squad is Knights, so I switched back to Knightland this morning, just in time to get swarmed by Bishops. It wasn't much fun and was very frustrating.
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Gee, How DARE anyone not play as you want them to!!!! Perhaps they just don't realize how important YOUR opinions are!! Don't they know YOU are the one who is directing gameplay?!?!?!?!
:rolleyes:
Until you pay their subscription, you don't have much to say about how anyone else plays this GAME.
This GAME is not a recreation of WW2 nor was it intended to be so as per HT. Just play as you want and don't worry about how anyone else plays.
CT is the location for those who want a more "realistic" or restricted type of game play.
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Hola Pepe
Think you're letting AH get to you just a little too much! :( However, how about you come over to Bishland and give us a go first hand and then re-assess your opinions. I often see all countries flying in hordes, so there's nothing new there.
I will be the first to admit that I'm no brilliant pilot, afterall it's only a game. I do fly with some of the best pilots I've come across in all my 3 years in AH though, perhaps that's down to them being RL pilots?!
One thing for sure, when the Mission Theatre hits our screens I'm sure it'll have everyone interested with perhaps different opinions too!
Fly Away! :)
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Originally posted by gofaster
The only real challenge was trying to get my troops closer to the town than WldThing and stealing his perks :p
I belive i still got that capture... Even tough your feeble attempt was courageous :p :)
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Oh, another "Anti-Bish" thread? C+ for effort, although I think youre closer to describing the arena than Bishland.
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ROFLMAO, Pepino are you a single subject bore in Real Life or do you just play one in AH? ;)
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Originally posted by gofaster
If you thought it was bad last month, its gotten worse since the score contest started.
I flew Bishops yesterday for the first time and loved it. It was refreshing to be able to fly a C47 across an open ocean, surrounded by friendly Typhoons and Mustangs, then hit the airfield and drop my troops on the city while the few brave enemy La-5s and -7s that rose to defend were popped by the escorts. The only real challenge was trying to get my troops closer to the town than WldThing and stealing his perks :p
My squad is Knights, so I switched back to Knightland this morning, just in time to get swarmed by Bishops. It wasn't much fun and was very frustrating.
Umm..why were you a bish?
shamus
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I am Rook
Anyone who shoots me down is cheating
And since only Bish and Nits shoot me down we know who the cheaters are. Anyone with a better rank than mine is cheating. Since 90% have better rank than me then we know there are more cheaters than honest caring pilots like myself. A lot of bish shootme down therefore they outrank the cheaters who cheat for the nits who shot me down last night while my rice krispies were giving me the plans to the secret plans that all cheating bish have before the nits steal there ugly sheep and turn them into potatos for the cheating masses who whine and cry about numbers of la7 dweebs with cheating goons all over the sucky pizza sauce all the way to the reset wich is caused by the cheaters in the first place!!!
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Originally posted by Replicant
I will be the first to admit that I'm no brilliant pilot, afterall it's only a game.
Fly Away! :)
Very refreshing, I agree.
Why is this Pepe guy so frustrated? I see too many posts of people who whine about the 'purity' of the game and 'realism'. In my book 'realism' means dying screaming and in flames while plummeting from 20.000 feet.
It's a game, it's for fun, choose the style that suits you and if you don't like what others do, create your own flightsim or something or go annoy your wife. If you don't have a spouse, I suggest honing you personal skills to a level suitable to acquire one and for posting on this forum. Much more important than your style of flying in a silly, nerdy game like AH.
I'm a newbie, cannot spend 200+ hours per month on-line so I'll never be more than average. Yes I run for ack if available, yes I seek the advantage of numbers (didn't real pilots do the same?), yes I abandon a field which is overwhelmed because I hate being vulched for no gain. And I am Bish yes. Why? Random pick, can't be bothered to change. Can't be bothered with capturing fields or strategy either. Just to get a bit of pleasure from my daily hour on-line and get a kill or two. Numbers seem to have stabilized lately and arguments that one country should be better than the other make me laugh... I've shot down as many rooks as knights down my last tour for example. And hell yes, they shot me down too, a lot.
Only thing that ever made me angry in this community is that some people treat this game and the way they believe it should be played as a frigging religion!
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well said hogonbor, S!
tatical officer
99th ASTAG Swift to Avenge
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cowardice is just a convienient word for what is going on... lately.. I guess 'timid', 'fragile ego' and 'greedy' would describe it better... but it's the the way the game is now...
I don't know if it's all the the new guys who still aren't bored with swarming a bunch of buildings and maybe seeing one con to fight over or....
It is the vets joining in because of fragile egos or...
It is the new emphasis on gameplay... the "missun" and the "competition" that plays to the guys who allways new they were the best and that people were beating em because their real talents weren't showcased..
In any case... it's not as fun... can't find a decent furball much anymore... No one seems to one to fight for the sake of fighting... no one wants to participate in a large fight with fairly even numbers...
I'm guessing it's cyclical and that the new guys will get a little more confidence and the building battling and 'strat" will get old pretty soon now... the crabby old vets with the more anal objectives will drift on into the new "missun" arena where they will argue about strat and how their rank or score or something isn't appreciated. And yes, if you are in doubt about who I am refering to.... I just called yu a wussy little strat weinie.
For you new guys... get your feet wet... jump in there and fight for the hell of it... kill or die 10 times in anhour... you won't get better fgoing on "missuns" yu will still get slaughtered a year from now by the guy wh is in 10 fights an hour a year from n9ow if all you do is "safe" fights. Forget the competition... it is for a select few who have the time and inclination and.... the ability to be bored to death... Heck... most of us don't think any of em are worth chasin anyhow...
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Well, I guess it's some consolation to know I'm not the only player bored with Horde Warrior.
I'm even thinking of applying for a CT guest permit.
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I think pepe was trying to say how things have changed since money got in this.
I had a night takeoff in front of me at a base, I had just killed vh hanger 1 ack was going back in Goon. The guy that was helping cover disco'ed. About 2/3 way to base I ask SAUVE to kill last ack at base. He asks " IS vh hanger dead I reply yes only 1 ack up can you kill. His reply " I"M RTB" he goes and leaves me. Instead of killing last ack at a Zone vh base.
I've seen Bishop 110 sitting at his base shooting hs own hanger, Hot pad and re shoot hanger. I've seen knight,bishops&rook bombers dropping 1 4k bomb on city rtb. Seen many knights not shoot ack because it will destory his hit%. and alot will just stay at 22k untill you or someone else takes out ack then boy they come down in a hurry, Guess they decided we didn't need high 22k cap any more.
What is amazing is most of these people don't stand a chance of being in top 15. so once first 2 weeks are up arena will get back to normal, until next TOD starts.
So far only player I've seen in top 15 mix it up is AGJV44 . Rest if con higher or faster plane or more numbers they run away,and leave friends behind.
I like to see top 5 fighter pilot number of kills TOD, top 5 gv killers, top 5 bomber pilots most destruction,
Now its not guys who are a value to thier teanm Being rewarded but guys willing to find ways to pad score, while rest team is taking ground winning war.
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So far I haven't really changed anything, and I've got really high rank for right now. Here is my opinion-
Dropping 1 4k bomb on something to get your 'hit % up' is kind of a waste of time. I drop all the bomb in one big salvo, and try to destroy the whole target I'm dropping on. Sure, my hit percentage isn't as good as some peoples, but you can make that up in other categories.
De-acking in fighter mode. Good thing. Yea, it costs you 'accuracy'... but if you get to vulch people then your accuracy goes right back up higher anyway. People that refuse to deack in fighter mode arent doing it because it'll drop their accuracy, they are scared of dying to the ack, and would like YOU to die so they don't have any competition in the vulch.
So far I haven't shot at any of my own buildings, but my attack rank is still pretty good. I don't think you get credit for 'damage' if you shoot your own buildings, so if you take off to sit next to one of your hangars and shoot it, you are getting one category up (hit %) at the expense of all the other categories. Why not actually take off, and go shoot enemy buildings? Then you could get all the categories up.
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I thought his whine was country behavior related- not behavior since money-on-the-line related?
Anecdotal data is worthless. I can come up with an anecdote that "proves" the problem lies with Knights: as a lone Bishop I went to investigate a single dar con that popped up momentairily near an isolated Bishop base. Once it noticed that I saw it, it, and literally 28 other Knights, went above dar on their way to attack the base. That's 29 Knights in a mission to milkrun an undefended base. I sought out the goon and dived on him in the middle of many defenders. Got many hits but didn't stay to kill him as I would have surely died. Now what exactly is your point here? I am a Bishop and I run from 'fair' fights? What would have been the point of taking on 29:1 odds? Save the base? Surely with 29 in the mission they had another goon- or would have upped one. You can't win against superior numbers. Why up your blood pressure by dying in hopeless circumstances- why not seek out a better deal at some other field?
Anecdotal evidence is worth nothing. Statistical evidence is what you need. I have done occasional statistical analysis of the roster and until recently it normally showed (at times I log on) that Rooks were severely outnumbered almost always, Bishops had middle numbers, but few coordinated squads (with more than 3 flying) in the air, and Knights almost always had superior numbers (sometimes more than Bishop and Rook combined) and, more importantly, had many more coordinated squads up.
HTC has side balancing steps planned. Wait for those.
If the whine was regarding behavior changes due to the money prizes: I can't imagine anyone foolish enough to make that change their behavior- i.e. most people know they have zero chance of winning anything whatsoever.