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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Reschke on December 05, 2002, 03:23:52 PM
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Well according to the early reports the University of Alabama will begin looking for a new head coach pretty soon. Supposedly Dennis Franchione will be leaving Tuscaloosa and heading to College Station, TX for 5 years and nearly $15 million.
Personally I don't have a stake in either school but I think he will have a tough time selling the players at A&M on his "way of doing things". Especially after he played the same old song and dance in Tuscaloosa 2 years ago and asked the players to stick with him through the upcoming hard times. Then right in the middle of said hard times he bails on them. I know, I know; he is "looking out for his" family but from what I have heard out of Tuscaloosa he had it made there.
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Answer: he's worth as much as the school can make off of the program.
Any coach that takes that job will be compared to Bear Bryant, and that's not a good place to be.
In a year (give or take 6 months), Alabama could probably hire Ron Zook after UF gives him the heave-ho.
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I am curious to see how Zook will do after one year of getting head coach experience. I bet things change a little bit but the East division of the SEC is fast approaching how the West has been for a while.
Anyway I did some quick figuring and the average coaching life of a head coach at Alabama has been roughly 3.5 years. This is since Bear Bryant retired. Here I just heard that Mal Moore (AD @ Alabama) has Norm Chow, Rich Rodriguez, Tommy Bowden and Bob Pruitt on his list of who he would like to interview for the newly opened head coaching job.
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i must be stupid , i thought kids went to collage to get learning.
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As much as he can convince some AD to pay him.
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no college athletics program in the country makes money for the university. Hell, when you factor in state subsidies (like tuition) few football programs even manage to "pay their own way".
Paying $15 million bucks for someone who can only damage the reputation of your school's core mission (uhh... academics?) is just stupid.
I mean, what happens when you have a good team? Well, great, you get to be on TV, the media gets to examine your guys, and inevitably something comes up to damage the reputation of your school.
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Originally posted by Dinger
no college athletics program in the country makes money for the university.
WTF...you have to be kidding....for example Sanford stadium UGA holds
86,520 you factor, oh roughly 20,000 student tickets at $30 for the season, with 60,000 ish going to season ticket holders at $400 for the season, not to mention apparel sales, concession sales, donations to the University are upwards of 25-30% of what they were last year(simply b/c we have had the best season in 20 years here) hell ticket sales alone equate to 24 million a year, dunno what piss ant college your talking about, but down here in the south(where football is a way of life, and the bread and butter of big universities) if a team is doing well the make more $$$$ directly or indirectly than any other program a university has to offer, hell UGA's football revenue PAYS IN FULL for EVERY other athletic program we offer here, soccer,baseball,intramurals, toejam even things like hockey, rugby, equestrian, just to name a few. 20 million dollar athletic complex, the largest on campus athletic facilities in the U.S. paid for by...........you guessed it the UGA athletic association.
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I'm going to have to go with pfunk on this one. Traditionally, the Football programs make enough money to fund most of the rest of the athelitc programs on a campus.
Though... paying millions for college coaches seems a bit extreme. I guess you'd have to compare it to their alternative... going pro.
AKDejaVu
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I stand by what I said, and in good academic fashion, I can give you a reading list if you care, complete with economic breakdowns.
Football and basketball programs are good at generating revenue, but not money. Yeah, on the big campuses, ADs like to brag about being self-sufficient (here at Iowa we get that), but that's largely a myth.
First off, "the rest of the athletic programs" don't cost nearly as much as football and basketball.
Second, remember that the athletes aren't free. They're students, and students cost money. A scholarship normally covers something like 12k/year, and then states subsidize the tuition of all students (and if you give in-state tuition rates to athletes, the state is subsidizing them too). The real cost of a year at school to the institution is something like 35k. That's $4 million right there.
Apparel, concessions and TV rights are all a drop in the bucket. As you suggest, something like 80% of a big Div I school's take is at the gate.
Third, you've got huge expenses. Those students have their own support network. You have travel. You've got a bunch of assistants and trainers (although they're paid peanuts). And you've got expensive facilities.
Fourth, show me where those donations go to the general fund, and not to the Athletic Department. In any case, the bulk of donations to universities money wise come from a very small group of donors, who don't give it to support the football team; and when the football team does well, it has been shown that these donations are less likely to come because of fear they'll be diverted to the AD.
Fifth, most teams aren't the university of GA. Hell, when Northwestern had its run a few years back, it was after years of taking money from the general fund and pouring it directly into the football programs.
So yeah, without football, many big universities would probably have to shell out a few bucks extra for the other sports. But they could recoup the money out of ending such BS practices as "general studies" majors.
Now that said, I do enjoy a good college football game; but to say it's a money maker for the university is just not true. To say that college football was much different in the past isn't really the case either. It's gotten worse, but it's never been "good".
As for the coaches, many of the coach's colleagues (like those in the faculty of medicine) make money for their universities, pulling in comparable and even greater sums of money. They get compensated well, but not $3 Mil well, and for them it'd be unethical to use their university position to get paid $1 mil a year for a television or shoe contract. Let's face it, without their job at the university, they wouldn't be celebrities.
(okay folks, the reading for next week is chapter 4 in "The Nike Sourcebook of Political Theory". And I'm giving an F to the amazinhunk who boxed in my Benz)
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Originally posted by Reschke
... I did some quick figuring and the average coaching life of a head coach at Alabama has been roughly 3.5 years. This is since Bear Bryant retired. Here I just heard that Mal Moore (AD @ Alabama) has Norm Chow, Rich Rodriguez, Tommy Bowden and Bob Pruitt on his list of who he would like to interview for the newly opened head coaching job.
Well that's the problem with Alabama right there! They accidentally hired the wrong guy as Athletic Director! They hired Mal Moore when they thought they were hiring Hal Moore, Colonel, US Army, air cavalry, leader of the combat teams in the Ia Drang battle, Vietnam, 1965, genuine American hero, and author. They turned his book into a movie with Mel Gibson and Sam Shepherd.
Hal Moore would straighten up those teams and lead them into the field of battle to victory. He would be the first one to step onto the field and the last one to step off. Dead or alive, they would all go home together!
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Originally posted by Dinger
I stand by what I said, and in good academic fashion, I can give you a reading list if you care, complete with economic breakdowns.
Football and basketball programs are good at generating revenue, but not money. Yeah, on the big campuses, ADs like to brag about being self-sufficient (here at Iowa we get that), but that's largely a myth.
This didn't sit right when I read it.. but I didn't really have the ambition to look up the numbers. Then, low and behold, there they are on the front page of today's newspaper. The article posts a graph of the average revenue generated by sports programs. It list Men's football as averaging $10.8 million vs $6.13 million in expenses. It lists Men's basketball as averaging $3.67 million vs $1.94 million in expenses. It then lists Women's basketball as averaging $1.10 million in expenses vs $.396 million in revenue.
Mens college basketball and football is averaging $6.3 million in PROFITS.
AKDejaVu