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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Jester on December 06, 2002, 01:00:59 AM
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Dear CT Staff,
I cannot speak directly for the rest on this board but I think the concensis is that all of us are tired of the almost "Hodge Podge" manner in which scenarios are put up in the CT.
I realize you have an almost thankless and time consumeing job but if the CT is going to become a real lasting sucess we need some kind of stability that keeps most if not everyone happy.
We have had several PTO, MTO, CBI & BOB & Eastern Front, (HELL even Korea!) scenarios recently in the CT and it seems the late war ETO has been almost completely forgotten. One of the biggest periods of the airwar in WW2!
Might I suggest that you guys work out some kind of "rolling schedule" for the CT? You could set it up to go Early War - Late War or have it go by Theater. A simple example:
Week 1: BOB
Week 2: Early War PTO
Week 3: Early War Russian Front (as we can get with plane set)
Week 4: Early War MTO
Week 5: Mid to late War PTO
Week 6: Mid to Late War Russian Front
Week 7: Mid to Late War ETO
Week 8: Special Set-up if any.
It takes around 2 months to go through the schedule above. The next time through you could place different terrains in the slots than were there last time. Example: On PTO set-up - the first time through the schedule use the Burma map on early war & one of the Pacific maps for mid war. Second time through swap maps in some places and make one late war.
This kind of system should make the majority happy as they know "their" favorite is coming up pretty shortly and they will get to fly thier favorite a/c. The main reason is it is FAIR to all that fly the CT.
Please, the rest of you CT pilots out there, Lets hear your opinion on this.
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My guess is late war ETO gets overlooked because it is the one planeset that is competitive in the MA. It would be true in the PTO too, except that the tiny Japanese planeset mostly constrains the CT staff to 1944. Just a guess though.
Personally I don't care for rigid schedules, but it does seem to be a fair way to ensure all the settings get equal opportunity. I like what you've done with week 8 as an open, unspecified setup, but maybe it would be better to use it as a "floating" week, which can be inserted into the schedule anywhere - to take advantage of new aircraft from version releases, special anniversary setups, new terrain releases, whatever.
I hate aircraft substitutions, and would rather nix the early war Russian setting than to do it with a bunch of plane subs.
The biggest drawback I see to the plan is for flyers who dislike a particular time period; they could have to wait up to a month for their preferred timeframe to roll around. That might drive some people off. (And I realize you been waiting a LONG time for your late-war ETO, Andi).
Does it have to be chronological? Could the BOB week be followed by late-war PTO, then midwar MTO, then late war ETO, then early war PTO, etc? Maybe an non-linear schedule like that would provide enough variety in time frame while ensuring all setups get their due.
Enough brainstorming from me. Somebody else pipe in here now.
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Late war ETO is only competing with the MA if we play the same game as in the MA. Wotan's 8th AF setup was a great alternatives and really showed what the CT can be.
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I dont know the schedule thing aint a bad idea atleast then i would know by the schedule posted by andi to show up on weeks 1,2,5,and 7(if the 262 is there)
and if we have to sub a plane (which i really dont like)atleast re skin it to the proper country.
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SWEAT FING Jesious I have asid a ton of times we have 3 new maps in the works and we will have 44/45 planes sets coming this month. We have held off in the past few weaks doing this set up because of this as well why do I bother wrinting and telling you all this if it is not paied attention to and yes if you were hear I would be yealing at you.:)
Ok now that I have calmend down a tad I hear your complaints and were are working toward that end please be paitent, if the maps are not ready we will make somthing up on what ever map we can can add hock a 44 set up for you on.
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Summer 1943 ETO would be nice, just for a change of pace. I wouldnt mind doing some Mossie runs or something. I really like the Norway 1944 setup too.
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Dont sweat it brady they will cry for what ever set up that matches the squad they in for this month.
When we did ETO we heard "My God, another ETO" we havent had pac set up in 2 weeks"
Take it with a grain of salt..................
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OBOE: No the schedule I put up was just an example and certainly not set in stone. Much room for revisions.
BRADY: Sorry to "Wiz in your Cheerios" there buddy but am not talking about a couple "in the future" scenarios you have coming up but if YOU WILL READ the above post I was talking something more fixed in the scheduling of the scenarios in the CT.
WOTAN:
Dont sweat it brady they will cry for what ever set up that matches the squad they in for this month.
I think this is pretty damn uncalled for. Several of us that came to AH from WB's moved to the CT as we really liked it and wanted to make it better. We formed a squad and when we saw the others content to "Seal Clubbing" against the Japanese we decide to split our squad to shore up the Japanese side during the PTO's to make flying there more enjoyable for everyone.
Even on forming our new squad (again to bring another permanent squad to the CT and attract pilots from the MA) we still fly Japanese in the PTO's because almost no one else is willing too.
I don't think too much of this crack especially since you don't see too much of "Certain Axis Squads" (Who will remain unnamed) willing to do the same.
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Well this thread sure turned ugly in a hurry. I thought we were just kicking around an idea!
Must be pre-release angst? Everyone edgy and fed up with the long wait for 1.11?
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To be honest I dont think v1.11 is gonna be all that hopefully by v1.12 the mission theatre will be introduced that might cause some excitement,i'am already over v1.11 and it aint even released yet.Also next Wed. it's gonna be released.
Guys it dont matter to me what setup u run or when the good thing is we have a choice to fly MA or CT I remember when that choice wasn't there so be thankful for what you got.:)
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I have fun in every set-up, and look forward to each upcoming set-up as well. Every set-up has some great things going for it and some downers too. I.E., This last one had a great plane match, but the air bases were awfully far apart.
The point is; we get a to live a different part of WWII aviation history every week. It rarely get's old, and it rarely ends too quickly.
eskimo
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"you can make some of the ppl happy some of the time but not all the ppl happy all of the time"
I think that's the way it goes
Be HAPPY - its FRIDAY! :)
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Just kicking around ideas here , whatever, we fly em all come squad night.
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I have a feeling we are in for a month or more of 43+ setups :(
Seems to me like we are allways doing mid-latewar setups, but O guess to those who like mid-latewar setups it seems like we are allways doing early :D
I just don't under stand why people have been craving late war so much lately? seemed to me we've been having quit a few late war setups lately..
The reason I like Early war so much is because its Allways latewar in MA, so CT gives u a chance to fly somethin different.
Don't get me wrong, do like hopping in an F4u1-a or a Bf-110 in 1944' every now and then, but by early 1944 the airwar was practically won by the allies, and not much was done but ground attack. And I like to have to get close to enemeis, instead of just pingin em 2-3 times with a 20mm from 700 yards away :)
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Originally posted by Andijg
WOTAN:
I think this is pretty damn uncalled for. Several of us that came to AH from WB's moved to the CT as we really liked it and wanted to make it better. We formed a squad and when we saw the others content to "Seal Clubbing" against the Japanese we decide to split our squad to shore up the Japanese side during the PTO's to make flying there more enjoyable for everyone.
Even on forming our new squad (again to bring another permanent squad to the CT and attract pilots from the MA) we still fly Japanese in the PTO's because almost no one else is willing too.
I don't think too much of this crack especially since you don't see too much of "Certain Axis Squads" (Who will remain unnamed) willing to do the same.
Bullseye!:D
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Its dead on, whether you think it harsh or not. When you flew nav planes it was
"Whens the next Pac setup"
Folks like me would say
"Pac set ups are crap given the current ijn/ija planeset up"
Reply would be
"Its been 3 weeks since last pac, we are tired of eto, I dont think its too much and its just for 1 week."
We got a few more IJN planes
"Whens the early pac set up?"
"Its been 3 weeks since last pac set up"
Then it was
"IJN/IJA pilots are screwed due to the late us planeset"
Nows its
"We have gone too long with out a late war eto"
I did an 8th airforce setup. It kicked arse. What did I read on the forum.
"Can we have a pac set up"
I can punt the threads up.........
I read your reply asking for a an ETO when sabre announced the possibilities of his next set up. Its no coincidence this thread came up. ETO isnt ignored there is just several new maps that could come out soon. Brady has passed this info along.
As for you comment about
I don't think too much of this crack especially since you don't see too much of "Certain Axis Squads" (Who will remain unnamed) willing to do the same.
Well there were plenty of "Certain Axis Squads" that carried the ijn/ija load long before ya got here. When we had 2 planes vrs the entire late war us planeset. Guys in my squad did.
We rarely fly the ct but if we did it would be axis.
Ct Staff, Tired Of Same Old Same Old.
Yeah they sure are............
Everyone enjoys set ups especially when your own squads plane set is available. Thats not the point I was trying to make. Anyway the earliest p47 we have is a d11 which is a 1/44 plane. What german plane in this set up would match it? Too early for a g10 or d9 so its '42 g6 and '43 a5. IF you go late war German planes would own. a8 d9 g10 262 etc.........
SWEAT FING Jesious I have asid a ton of times we have 3 new maps in the works and we will have 44/45 planes sets coming this month. We have held off in the past few weaks doing this set up because of this as well why do I bother wrinting and telling you all this if it is not paied attention to and yes if you were hear I would be yealing at you.
My reply was more for Brady then the rest of yas......,,,,,,,,,,,
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Originally posted by Wotan
We rarely fly the ct but if we did it would be axis.
Wotan,
you should come back to the CT, reading you site you seem like a well organized squad. Would be great for the competition, even though I am just a lowly cadet and would probably get shot down. :D
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I get shut down all the time :)
I hope you guys dont think I am harpin on yas. Its great you all are dedicated to the ct and you make it a better place. All the guys that fly there are are the best of AH.
I just hope you realise that for evry one guy who suggests a set up 4 others suggest why theirs would be better. If you can get brady to re run that 8th af set up I ran I will be waiting over france in a g6 for your pesky jugs.............
S!
I am sure when you guys see the new maps you will be happy :)
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When Jester and I came over from Brand W we immediatley started checking out the CT, because of the historical type setups. We wanted to start a squad and make it a CT based squad in hope of attracting more people. So enter VF-27. Your damn right we ask for the planes we like to be in the setups. We don't get them every week, every other week or even every other month. So yeah after 2 months we're biting to fly P-47s. Jester would never have left VF-27, if there were enough Japanese to fight against. So I pulled him away from VF-27 to help Oboe and I get the 27th Sentai rolling. Neither Jester or myself came to AH to fly Axis planes, we had more than enough of it in our Warbirds days, and came here to break away from the JG life , and fly Allied. We hung in as long as we could flying AXIS only being it LW, or Japanese, or Italian. we looked up and said hey it's happened again we're stuck in Axis, and things werent going well in 27th sentai, having a couple of guys who really don't like flying Japanese. So we figured what the hell we came to fly Allied, why should we fly the Axis planes when we don't want to? Nobody else is in a squad that acts as flying targets for two of the bigger squads in CT. Jester loves the USN/USMC planes. I love the USAAF planes, so again I got him to join me in the 325thFG. Now heres the thing we could have just turned our backs on the Axis guys and the 27th sentai, but it was Jester who decided the right thing to do would be go ahead and fly Jap during PTO to help keep things ballanced. So again here is a guy willing to do things he really doesnt want to, just to help out the CT. Also Wotan, Jester is another one of those guys thats wants the Luftwaffe to get 190Ds, TA-152's, and Ar234s, and even the ME-262, in these setups.The CT could use more guys like Jester/Andijg. It's not wrong to want certain aircraft or setups, especially if it's been over 2 months since they have been in the CT. I would also like to know when did it become a rule you need a new map to run a middle to late war ETO? Those of you that tell people to go to MA to fly late model planes, sure why don't you go there and fly early model planes? The reason people want to see late war planes in CT is because they get to fight their historical enemies, not each other as in MA.
This turned out to be longer and darker than I intended, my biggest point is, there is nearly 40 people flying in three different squads in CT. These squads were built, and shaped by Jester. He also recruited, and has been a major salesman of the CT to every member of those squads. The guys been nothing but gracious, and a good friend to everyone fortunate enough to get to know him.
Okay Wotan, I write this and I see you've responded a little friendlier, while I was writing this . So now I'm slapping at what I feel is a nice guy. I got crackerjack timing.:eek: Jesters good people, I just don't like if somebody taking shots at him;)
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see what happens when i'm not around to direct your crabbiness at? you start feeding on each other.
:D
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Oh it's worse than that Shane. I get all protective of Andi take shots at Wotan, check my e-mail. Guess what a letter from Wotan !
Of course he is being civil, polite, and friendly, and Lowes done it again. Yes Wotan I am an ass, I was guarding my XO. One of these days there will be a mood BBS so you know if the guys pissed and coming for ya or just making a point.
:rolleyes:
Again Wotan my apologies, all I saw was a friend under whaty I percived to be an attack.
Shane ya wanna hear somethign funny, at work today I was wondering what happend to you............ I gotta find another hobby.:eek:
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Where is my DAMN GV? :D
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Just came out of CT, with the P-38 it's just another slap the jap setup. Hawk, maybe we ought to take everyones advice, fly MA this week. It's better than doing this , and being pissed all week.:D
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We'll see if v1.11 brings a solution.
I'm not holding my breath though.
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yeah lowe.
But to keep the record straight, I was at A1 alone enjoying my M16 shooting stuff when "they" came after me. It just so happened I logged on Knight but anyway....your right lets go main.
I can see it now, furballing will equal kills both sides (as always) and it will be called a Balanced Arena. P-47s and P-38s will be called "Runners", or "Vulchers", maybe even milk runners and those that are stupid enough to slow down in a P-47 or 38...refer to runner remark...hehehe" will get shot down by the N1k1 and it will be called a "dweeb ride"...hell you know the typical CT stuff....and I will be called a "low life" M16 jock or a vulching tard! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Shane
see what happens when i'm not around to direct your crabbiness at? you start feeding on each other.
:D
LOL ... he's right.
Gawd .. you know its bad when you start wonder'n .... wtf happend to Shane. :D
When you come'n back ?
Jospe