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Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: straffo on December 06, 2002, 03:17:13 AM
What about using the 5 last % of throttle course to starts wep ?

So we can use this button for another usage ...
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Revvin on December 06, 2002, 05:54:35 AM
You can if you have a HOTAS Cougar :)
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: straffo on December 06, 2002, 06:01:04 AM
Can I give you my banck account number ?

a 300€ donation should be enought :p
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Karnak on December 06, 2002, 04:16:44 PM
Yup, my Cougar is setup to do just what Revvin describes.
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Revvin on December 08, 2002, 01:26:34 PM
Better still the Cougar has mechanical detents which you can move to suit your needs so the WEP stage even has a tactile indication of you being on WEP.
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Innominate on December 08, 2002, 05:00:39 PM
The saitek X45 can do it also, using XD-Profile.
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Karnak on December 08, 2002, 05:00:58 PM
Yup, I moved my detents to match my WEP position.
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: straffo on December 09, 2002, 01:47:41 AM
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Originally posted by Innominate
The saitek X45 can do it also, using XD-Profile.


I'm interrested can you give me some help ?

I gived up on XD profile because I didn't fully undertood the way it worked (read English documentaion ;))
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Innominate on December 09, 2002, 05:27:19 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
I'm interrested can you give me some help ?

I gived up on XD profile because I didn't fully undertood the way it worked (read English documentaion ;))


It's kind of tricky/annoying at first, but does let you do some cool tricks.  Anything in particular you need help with?
The documentation is iffy even to native english speakers, so it's not just you.
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: straffo on December 09, 2002, 06:13:53 AM
well ...

If you have a profile I can tweak to my own need it would be a great start for me :)

especially if you managed to code a cycle/toggle command
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Innominate on December 09, 2002, 06:44:44 AM
Heres the one I'm using currently.
It binds most of the buttons to dx buttons, with the exception of gear and dive flaps(gear you'll need to change, since i use the + on the keypad for it)
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: straffo on December 09, 2002, 06:50:47 AM
thanks a lot !

Will have a look to it ,anyway last time I tried the D's driver a got sometime a sticky key problem with the view to you got also this kind  of trouble ?
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Innominate on December 09, 2002, 07:00:20 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
thanks a lot !

Will have a look to it ,anyway last time I tried the D's driver a got sometime a sticky key problem with the view to you got also this kind  of trouble ?


An error in programming will cause it.  It's easy to accidently set a button to press but never release, which will cause that.  (or set the hat, but forget to set the center of it)
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: straffo on December 09, 2002, 07:28:39 AM
Roger that !
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Innominate on December 09, 2002, 12:41:17 PM
After playing with it a bit in game, the wep script needs to be changed.

Change it to

WEP p^100 P

it adds a small delay to the onset of wep, so that the throttle can catch up.  Without it, fast throttle increases will sometimes miss triggering wep

Also you'll want to adjust your throttle deadzone in game so that it maxes at the second detent.
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: straffo on December 09, 2002, 01:54:04 PM
yep seen that :)

I'm playing with it actually ..
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Furious on December 09, 2002, 02:20:09 PM
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Originally posted by Karnak
Yup, my Cougar is setup to do just what Revvin describes.


Care to post your TMJ?  Thanks if ya do.


F.
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Shiva on December 09, 2002, 09:10:25 PM
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Originally posted by Furious
Care to post your TMJ?  Thanks if ya do.


Here's my throttle configuration for my Cougar. It sets up the throttle as an analog range and a digital range that steps the throttle smoothly up to 100% before WEP turns on. When you pull the throttle back, as soon as the throttle pulls below 100%, WEP automatically disengages.


Rem ----------------------------
Rem           Throttle
Rem ----------------------------
REM Throttle to second detent as normal, past detent as WEP on/off
THR 5 13 (80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 96 100) UNLOCK (THR) LOCK (THR, 80%) LOCK (THR, 82%) LOCK (THR, 84%) LOCK (THR, 86%) LOCK (THR, 88%) LOCK (THR, 90%) LOCK (THR, 92%) LOCK (THR, 94%) LOCK (THR, 96%) LOCK (THR, 98%) LOCK (THR, 100%) WEP
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: straffo on December 11, 2002, 02:55:28 AM
@inominate

I've build a profile using XD can you test it and give me some feedback ?
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: caereth on December 26, 2002, 08:11:18 PM
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Originally posted by straffo
@inominate

I've build a profile using XD can you test it and give me some feedback ?


Hello,

This is the first time I use the Dhauzimmer driver and XDprofile,
I tried out your profile, I like most of the settings, only made one little adjustment. Your profile seems to have a few problems with buttons locking (it has happened for view and firing), from what I can see, buttons are being released properly. The problem seems to come when using the shift button on the joystick. Right now I don't have time to write more, but if you have any idea and need more info please ask. I would like to get this working better!

Caereth
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Revvin on December 27, 2002, 06:39:55 AM
There is an easier way to put WEP on the throttle without a large array of throttle statements and LOCK and UNLOCK commands. The new THR_RANGE statement has made is far easier to compress the throttle output to a smaller physical region of the throttle travel. I've used the following command in my profiles for Aces High, IL-2 Sturmovik and Warbirds III:


USE THR_RANGE (0%, 90%)
THR 5 1 (98 100) (/P WEP /R WEP) Rem Wep at 98% of Throttle Travel


With this command you now get 100% throttle output at 90% of the throttle travel allowing a space of 10% at the end of the throttle travel to place your WEP command. In the above example at 90% travel you're at 100% throttle then moving the throttle to 98% of it's travel engages WEP...why 98% and not 90 or 95%? I've found through testing that allowing around 8% throttle space means you are not bouncing between 100% throttle and WEP although you may want to decrease or increase this depending on how firm you set your throttle with the adjustable tension wheel (mine is set quite firm as I have bomber controls on the throttle and don't want to accidentaly change throttle position and break up a formation).

The first line tells the throttle that it will give 100% output between 0 and 90% throttle travel while the next line tells the stick it is a type 5 analogue input with 1 digital range area at 98-100% of the throttle travel which operates WEP which is pressed once as you enter this region and released as you leave it.

You need to be using the latest Cougar drivers and Foxy v3 and perform a manual calibration if you have not done so since your last flash upgarde (you can go back to auto calibration afterwards). The information to use this new command can be found in the FOXY help file.

BTW if you want any of them try the links below:

Cougar profile for Aces High with graphical overlay (303k) (http://www.no9squadron.com/files/HOTAS_Cougar/Cougar_Aces_High.zip)
Cougar profile for Aces High without graphical overlay (6k) (http://www.no9squadron.com/files/HOTAS_Cougar/Cougar_Aces_High_Small.zip)

Cougar profile for Warbirds III with graphical overlay (265k) (http://www.no9squadron.com/files/HOTAS_Cougar/Cougar_Warbirds_III.zip)
Cougar profile for Warbirds III without graphical overlay (5k) (http://www.no9squadron.com/files/HOTAS_Cougar/Cougar_Warbirds_III_Small.zip)

Cougar profile for IL-2 Sturmovik with graphical overlay (261k) (http://www.no9squadron.com/files/HOTAS_Cougar/Cougar_IL-2.zip)
Cougar profile for IL-2 Sturmovik without graphical overlay (4k) (http://www.no9squadron.com/files/HOTAS_Cougar/Cougar_IL-2_Small.zip)
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: straffo on January 02, 2003, 02:45:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by caereth
Hello,

This is the first time I use the Dhauzimmer driver and XDprofile,
I tried out your profile, I like most of the settings, only made one little adjustment. Your profile seems to have a few problems with buttons locking (it has happened for view and firing), from what I can see, buttons are being released properly. The problem seems to come when using the shift button on the joystick. Right now I don't have time to write more, but if you have any idea and need more info please ask. I would like to get this working better!

Caereth


sorry to answer so late (I was on vacation)

But I gived up on switch for view as like you noticed sometime there is some sticky key :(
And I've been unable to sort out this trouble ..
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: funkedup on January 09, 2003, 05:53:40 PM
You can do this with CH USB equipment too, with the new version of Control Manager.
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: HeadSlammer on January 11, 2003, 05:42:42 PM
USE THR_RANGE (0%, 90%)
THR 5 1 (98 100) (/P WEP /R WEP) Rem Wep at 98% of Throttle Travel

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I have the same thrOttle setup. This allows me to slam it to the wall without having to hit any other buttons. I love my TM. Only thin is that my detents are now worn out and it will not hold in place like I like it too. :o
Title: Put WEP on throttle please :)
Post by: Odee on January 11, 2003, 08:29:28 PM
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Originally posted by Revvin
You can if you have a HOTAS Cougar :)


Or ANY programmable stick, or throttle.

Personally, I favor CH-Pro throttle, Pro-pedals, and the f16-Combatstick.  60 programmable buttons/hats to choose from.:D