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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on July 30, 1999, 05:30:00 AM
IMHO:

First...Its Online.

1. Large Arena Divided by Pacific and European Conflicts

2. Great Server Connects

3. Reasonable Rates

4. Interesting and Active Community Options and Support. (BB's and Web Rings and Conventions)

5. Player Interaction to Game Developement (Feature Editors, SL inputs, New Feature/Acft Voting<for input nor final decision making> )

6. Great Customer Support.

Secondly its dealing with Flight!

1. Make it fly like a real airplane. Adverse Yaw..Stalls...Weight to performance ratios, Compression, Alttitude Performance

2. Gather the Data...design the Airplanes..and then Compare Contrast them with Other Acft vs how the comparison was in real life. Give me Early war an seldom flown theatres.  Gimme Brewster Buffalos and Russian Front and Early War Pacific.  And off course the Late War Western Europe Front.

3. Keep it a challenge just to fly...and rewarding if you can master it.

4. Gimme Engine Controls, Auto Pilot, Trim Settings.

And Lastly its a SIM!

1. Details...paint -ik-'s 109G-10 Struts RED, Make the Norden look like a Norden, Gyroscopic Gunsights, Bombs with Yellow Stripes, Theatre Markings on Acft., Detailed Airfields and Terrain, Clouds, Sun Glare,Fog, Rain, Night Time. I Wanna See Control Surfaces Move!

2. Strategy and Logistics.  Gimme a train to shoot at...and when it dies...make a field not have Fuel/Ammo for RTB Acft for X Mins. Gimme Troops storming the beach...then gimme a CV that tells me where its going...so I can protect it....Gimme a CV to Kill so no troops reach that beach.  Gimme Tank Farms...Gimme AAA to protect it all. Bridges, Factories, Army Bases/Troop concentrations.

3. Rolling Plane Set. Keep it balanced..and accurate..and disable out dated acft at appropriate times.

4. Gimme Great Collision Bubbles...damage Models...Make me Work That Wounded Puppy Home.

5. Ordanance /Fuel Options.  Let me pick what guns and what fuel...external or no external...all MG's or all Cannons.

6. Gimme Realism (oh god...not the "R" word) Meaning Make Me fly 20 Mins to a base....and not 5...but not 45 either.  Make B17 Otto Stupid..and not that good...but when I choose a B17..gimme 5 other AI B17 as wingman...and im the lead.

7. Give Me a incentive not to Die like an idiot...just for the fun of it (Usually a Furball Arena does the trick...keeps those people happy)

8. Gimme Icons at D30 or less...and thats it.

9. Gimme Voice Comms.

10. Gimme a Great Scoring Page! Based on Ability...not Volume.

11. My Perfect online Sim will give -IK- his Engine Requirements on his 109....just so after 3 years he will finally shut up and fly.             (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)


Gimme a Game:

1. Gimme a Boxed Version on the shelves....and something fairly descent off line to do...so people can learn..and practice. <Salute to IMOL's latest off line Addition...snicker...which I heard HT and PYRO had put together b4 they left anyway)

2. Give some good Arenas to help the learning curve...and gimme trainers to teach those people.

Pacific Main
European Main
Dueling Main
Instant Action Main
Training Main
No ICON/Scenario for the month Main

3. Give me Squadrons, Give me a 5th Radio, Give me Medals, Give me ".ignore" and give me a game that has a MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF A PII266. Then give me the options to Disable certain graphic intensive options.

4. Gimme a Great Key Mapper.

5. Gimme Exotic Things, V1-Rockets, Remote Controlled Anti Ship Missiles...A-A Rockets, Rocket Planes..Jet Planes...and give it to me on the last day of RPS.

6. Gimme Views Options that will knock my socks off...Give Me redouts/blackouts/ pilot movement vs G Forces/ Pilot Damage that will make me think "I AM IN THE COCKPIT"...and then make me realize im bleading and the cockpits on fire too           (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

7. Gimme a reason to live, If I die, I cant come up from the base I last left. Unless its my countries last base. Hence..no more Vultching/Base overwhelming. And If I die..im out of that action unless I fly twice as long to get back to it.

8. Gimme Increased AAA Accuracy as a countires numbers dip below a certain ratio compared to other countries.  IE Purp 30 Gold 30 Green 30 Red 5   Red gets Uber AAA.  Keep the playing field a bit even.

9. Multiple Monitor option

10. A Scoring system that has multiple sorting options so I can find out who has the best Kill/Death ratio in a P51.  Etc...etc..

11. And Lastly gimme GunJam...in a low and slow F4F.  And ill be a happy man.

P.S. Can we have a Spell Checker in the Radio as well          (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hat Trick
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War Birds Beta Tester
Aces Hi Wannabe Tester
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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: lasse on July 30, 1999, 05:57:00 AM
(drool)
All of the above, absolutely all of the above  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)




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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on July 30, 1999, 06:17:00 AM
I was just reading another thread...and something just dawned on me.  Somebody said the words "Microsfot Flight Sim with Guns"

Imagine...Microsoft Flight sim...Change the Flight characteristics from a Cesna 172 to a P51 but just as much accuracy and Acft Artwork so it look exactly like a P51 on the inside...Make the Terrain 1940's era....and model Guns and damage.

Wouldnt take alot in theory for Old Bill Gates to Make the true "Ultimate Immersive Hi Fidelity World War II Flight Sim".

But then we would have to talk to tower...and actually "Fly" all the way to France.....

Nah..... Ill stick with AH and WB for now   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on July 30, 1999, 06:31:00 AM
Oh yes...and for christmas...Give PYRO and HT all the resources and money and know how and Uber Computers to design this very game by September 30th.

oh...and I almost forgot...

Gun Cams...and a very very soft playing but definately noticeable rendetion of "Flight of the Valkeryies" playing 24-7 in the background.

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Hat Trick
-htrk-
War Birds Beta Tester
Confirmed Kill Beta Tester
Air Warrior one month and hated it!
Aces Hi Wannabe Tester
HiTech Devotee
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on July 30, 1999, 06:38:00 AM
How Many people here would be interested in sending those guys $50 non refundable even if one day before Beta the Company Goes Defunct, but if not promise to be allowed to BETA Test, because we love you and want you to have the money to do the job right, sort of donation.  In all seriousness.

I know I would....want my Credit Card Number Doug & Dale?

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Hat Trick
-htrk-
War Birds Beta Tester
Confirmed Kill Beta Tester
Air Warrior one month and hated it!
Aces Hi Wannabe Tester
HiTech Devotee


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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: GunsGG on July 30, 1999, 06:53:00 AM
My perfect Sim would be everything you guys have mentioned...
  I would have NO main arena though.  Instead of an RPS I would have a rolling arena set...a choice of two or three arenas available at a time, i.e. battle of britain or midway.
  You could still fly what you like to fly, you could still have all the applicable strategic elements, and you wouldnt have to see 190's escorting Betties being attacked by Zekes.
  The AI bombers are a good idea, lets take it a step further....if you log into an arena, and there are only a few players on, then there will be AI fighters also until more players log on.  That way you could always fly in one of the more unpopular arenas, and always be sure of an opponent.
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: GunsGG on July 30, 1999, 07:04:00 AM
Darn, now you have me cooking!
 What about a set of eight scenarios, with duplicates for the more popular ones, with a specific start time and mission goals. The scenarios would each be about two hours in length, with start times staggered so you would never have to wait more than ten minutes to start a flight. That time could be taken up with pre-flight briefings.
  Coupled with AI opponents taking up the slack, this could really work!
  I would like this much better than Warbirds endless capture the flag, which I can get for free playing Team Fortress.
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Strider on July 30, 1999, 08:05:00 AM
Can't add much to this except:

Give me all of the things that don't work right in AW and WB...fix em and add em to AH  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eliminate the BF-17 and make it what is was...a friggin heavy Bomber
Eliminate unrealistic spin models and make an a/c stall and spin when it is supposed to; if ya pull too hard you lose E and subsequent control of the a/c
Enable strat so the game has a purpose other than fly and die, kill and grab night in and night out.
Provide connect quality which allows people to fly w/o getting dumped or guns firing blanks.

Hell, I don't want much except to be able to enjoy my addiction  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Horn on July 30, 1999, 09:46:00 AM
Nice list, Hat Trick.

The ONLY one that counts, tho, is your number six, "Great Customer Service"--w/o it, all else is moot.

I could add another item, too:

Let us Mac guys play.

just sayin <tm>

DamnedHorn
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Toughgun on July 30, 1999, 12:42:00 PM
ENOUGH !!! I can't take the strain any more ! Hat Trick u got me so hard.... I can't walk for a week now.... I want what he wants all the way baby.... (really got me with the train).

Guns out.
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on July 30, 1999, 04:48:00 PM
Actually the Train was originaly brought up rather art fully by GRYF!



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Air Warrior one month and hated it!
Aces Hi Wannabe Tester
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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: -ik- on July 30, 1999, 05:24:00 PM
agree with everything except voting for new planes, nice post hat!
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: GunJam on July 30, 1999, 06:48:00 PM
-htrk-,

"GunJam Low & slow in an F4f"

 Id still kill you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

you should go to the HA in WarBirds you will find me in that situation alot!

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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on July 30, 1999, 09:06:00 PM
Ye of little faith, for I am the wise one, derived from the dark side, I am the shadows that lie in wait for you when you close your eyes in a timid slumber each night. I am the chill at the tip of your nose and the sweat that forms upon your life line in the palm of your hand ....I am the thing that wakes you up in the middle of the night, soaked in fear and wrapped in your cloth carried from childhood.  I am depervation,fear, the gentle energy that pushes up the hairs upon your back, I am lonliness ... for I am........Death From Above.


Ayeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Cya in the virtual skies Aug 14th.

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Hat Trick
-htrk-
War Birds Beta Tester
Confirmed Kill Beta Tester
Air Warrior one month and hated it!
Aces Hi Wannabe Tester
HiTech Devotee


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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Toughgun on July 30, 1999, 09:19:00 PM
ROTFLMAO!!!!!! I fear no evil !!! but I do fear GJ in a FW (quick look over left shoulder)  

Hat Trick you ever thought about writing horror? bet you could give ol whats his nutz a run for his money... keep It up  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) i do like your posts.

Guns out.
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on July 31, 1999, 05:12:00 AM
You know what else I thought would be kewl.

And I know this could be some what tough to do politically.

But if there is to be a U.N. Island.

Someplace Neutral, Please Model this, for me.

A ring of flags, of all the countries that fought in World War II.  And have them all flying at half mast.

Just a thought.

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Hat Trick
-htrk-
War Birds Beta Tester
Confirmed Kill Beta Tester
Air Warrior one month and hated it!
Aces Hi Wannabe Tester
HiTech Devotee
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on July 31, 1999, 12:58:00 PM
sigh...I was hoping not to have to do this...but oh well...call me self serving...

PUNT!
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on August 01, 1999, 04:58:00 PM
Wonder if any ritch people out there wanna bail out War Birds and force them to make my "Dream Game" ?
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on August 03, 1999, 12:23:00 AM
Well I keep adding to the original post...because so many people on this Board keep mentioning so many kewl things.

So...HT and PYRO...when ya make your first Million a pc (After Taxes and such) you can start on this game  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on August 06, 1999, 02:03:00 AM
And Id like to present ACES HIGH's First Squadron Page.

 http://sites.netscape.net/thomas26wh/homepage (http://sites.netscape.net/thomas26wh/homepage)

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  (http://sites.netscape.net/thomas26wh/smiley3.gif)  

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Hat Trick
-htrk-
War Birds Beta Tester
Confirmed Kill Beta Tester
Air Warrior one month and hated it!
Aces Hi Wannabe Tester
HiTech Devotee


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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on August 06, 1999, 09:02:00 PM
Well I was hoping that this thread would inspire some great posts...but apparently it has the kuddies.  No one wants to post on it.  So this is my last attempt at punting it to the top...wonder if anyone will bite?

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Hat Trick
-htrk-
War Birds Beta Tester
Confirmed Kill Beta Tester
Air Warrior one month and hated it!
Aces Hi Wannabe Tester
HiTech Devotee
 http://sites.netscape.net/thomas26wh/homepage (http://sites.netscape.net/thomas26wh/homepage)


Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Downtown on August 06, 1999, 09:32:00 PM
Hat trick sets the hook.

I've already done a brief explanation on what happens on the Fourth Down on American Football.

And you haven't read all the other posts out there.  You haven't plaguerized <sp?> the Air Sea Rescue stuff at all.

Nor come to the defense of my "Flying Tiger" on the side of the P-40"C."

But I will Fish Punt this back up for you.

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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: joness on August 07, 1999, 04:06:00 AM
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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: crutch on August 07, 1999, 04:36:00 AM
OFF LINE TRAINNING

New guys need an aid to get them up to the basic level needed to takeoff and land.
Tutorials to teach basic flight maneuvers: loops, rolls, split-s, etc.
teach advanced maneuvers: wingovers, stalls, spin/recovery, etc.
teach basic combat maneuvers: lead/pure/lag pursuits and turns, barrel rolls.

use canned "follow my control movements" type of tutorials. Starting with "hands off" to let the AI fly the first try.

Teach gunnery - most of these new guys dont have a clue.

A guncamera is required, for the newbies (and us ol'farts too).

It's not spiffy bells and whisles stuff I know but,  If an effort to train up new guys is not taken the player base is never going to expand fast enough to keep all of us happy.  ie. the company goes under and we cant get our fixes in anymore.



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Crutch out

Plan, I don't have a plan. I'm making this up as I go.
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: paarma on August 07, 1999, 12:38:00 PM

All these with a decent Frame Rate!

>3. Reasonable Rates

Oh, it was there, never mind (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: -deft- on August 07, 1999, 03:39:00 PM
MOMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYY

HTRK's talkin to himself agaaaaaaaaaaaaain.
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: joness on August 07, 1999, 05:04:00 PM
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Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Hat Trick on August 07, 1999, 05:37:00 PM
Weeee......<hicup..>....

On this very fine <And Hot as Hell!> Day in Augaust of 1969, a baby pilot was borne...

<Sings a little diddy>

Happy berfenday to me.....happy berfenday to mee..happpyyyyy berffffenday dear Hat Trick.....Happy Friggin 30th Berefenday to meeeeeeeee1
<hickup>


 (http://sites.netscape.net/thomas26wh)


Thpppppttsssss




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Hat Trick
-htrk-
War Birds Beta Tester
Confirmed Kill Beta Tester
Air Warrior one month and hated it!
Aces Hi Wannabe Tester
HiTech Devotee
 http://sites.netscape.net/thomas26wh/homepage (http://sites.netscape.net/thomas26wh/homepage)


Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: Ozark on August 07, 1999, 06:53:00 PM
crutch: Great points about off line training! That way new folks, like me, will have a better understanding of basic flight maneuvers before they go in the online training areas.
Maybe a few cool easter eggs to find too.
Title: What Makes A Good Online Flight Sim
Post by: nopoop on August 09, 1999, 02:07:00 PM
Ok so where do you guys FIND all these footballs ??

nopoop