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Title: ID the A/C 2615
Post by: whgates3 on December 06, 2002, 01:53:14 PM

tally ho

Title: ID the A/C 2615
Post by: ra on December 06, 2002, 02:02:44 PM

Looks like an early B-17.  Could it be the Boeing 299?

Title: ID the A/C 2615
Post by: keyapaha on December 06, 2002, 02:35:12 PM

I agree looks like a 299

Title: ID the A/C 2615
Post by: Airscrew on December 06, 2002, 03:06:37 PM

I say early B17, like YB-17,  I think the 299 was smaller.

AirScrew

Title: ID the A/C 2615
Post by: Airscrew on December 06, 2002, 03:11:08 PM

opps, confused 299 with 247.   I'll agree with 299, no military markings

AirScrew

Title: ID the A/C 2615
Post by: whgates3 on December 06, 2002, 03:28:43 PM

this is one of 20 B-17Cs (a.k.a. Fortress I) of RAF 90 Squadron, 3 of which participated in the 1st B-17 raid of WWII (1st ever?) to Wilhelmshaven on July 8th 1941.  
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/aircraft/images/fortress3vw.gif)

bottom 3 are B-17G, top one is B-17C...dont know where Fortress I got the name - seems to be missing quite a few guns (@ least 6), but it did have those nice blisters for the side gunners, like the Privateer (unlike privateer it was a single gun)

(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/fta/b299-12.jpg)

Title: ID the A/C 2615
Post by: Airscrew on December 06, 2002, 03:30:33 PM

Look and compare,  this is  a Model 299

Title: ID the A/C 2615
Post by: MiloMorai on December 06, 2002, 04:50:19 PM

The 299 had a small turret on top of the nose glazing while the B-17B does not . The first photo does not have this. The first photo has a DF loop under the nose, the 299 does not - it was on top of the cockpit. The nose of the 299 was more pointed. There are other differences but they don't show in the first photo.

Title: ID the A/C 2615
Post by: whgates3 on December 06, 2002, 06:46:28 PM

Quote

Originally posted by MiloMorai
The 299 had a small turret on top of the nose glazing while the B-17B does not . The first photo does not have this. The first photo has a DF loop under the nose, the 299 does not - it was on top of the cockpit. The nose of the 299 was more pointed. There are other differences but they don't show in the first photo.

the wheels & engine nacles are a bit different too.  
B-17C is more similar to 299 than to B-17G

Title: ID the A/C 2615
Post by: SuperD on December 09, 2002, 05:00:01 PM

It looks like an early version of the B17 before the ball turret was installled.  it has a square box on the bottom behind the bombbay that must be the bathtub where a gunner laid in.