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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apar on December 06, 2002, 05:33:40 PM
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HT,
Instead of waisting your time on flop marketing deals like this MA price contest you might want to consider doing something about the inbalance in the MA, it's getting pretty old and boring for rooks having to fight 4 times the No's !!!!!!!!!!!!!
What once was a great flight sim, has become Lemming version 2 with 40+ player field raids (of which 30+ suicide).
Sure I could switch to the Bish hordes and ride easy mode, but that would make it only worse.
Where is it gona stop anyway, when there's only 1 rook player left, or 0 rook players?? What does it take for HTC to do something about the problem??
As it is now you might as well make this a 2 country arena.
:mad:
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Aper,
There was mention in recent news about v1.11 containing a side balancing feature or something......
Just a FYI
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Use the FORM (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52661) pls.
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Maybe if some Rooks would stop hiding boats and not screw a squads ops by another person w/ higher rank taking the boat that the squad was currently using, just to flex their rank muscles and HIDE THE FRIGGIN BOAT, you might have squads stick around. We would know....
From the month that we spent, we being -=Most Wanted=-, there was not a whole lot of offense. I maybe saw 3 or 4 missions the whole time there.
We initialy went over to help w/ numbers along w/ other squads that we wont mention here
:rolleyes:
We as a squad took a vote on whether to stay or go back to native Knights. We overwhelmingly voted to stay Rook, but when others constantly fight over little things as a CV, hampering a squads operation just to HIDE the boat so Knits or Bish can't take it, is TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR.
Thus our vote was "vetoed" and immediately moved back "Home".
It was fun being the underdog, but it wasn't the #'s that drove us out of Rookland.... It was the state of mind of some.
In no way I mean to bash the rooks or offend anyone, I am just stating what I have seen.
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Mw, I'm sure you had your reasons to go back to knits.
But what do you expect, rooks are gang banged for fediddlein ages, I can imagine that most of em are numb and not eager to do mission or go offensive, because they don't have the No's for it anyway.
Besides, you and your squad, and other squads that have gone rooks, could go offensive and take the lead, don't blame it on rooks.
I don't know why in one week time, things are back to "the good old times" where rooks are outnumbered 4-1 by other countries. It was good for a month or so, No's were pretty even and rooks were able to stand ground for a while. SOme how that all changed for the bad again.
P.S. I have an idea for HT, why not give the "15 best pilot prices" to the 15 best rooks, maybe that'll change the table :rolleyes:
Yeager,
I hope it's true, because this has gone too far.
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Originally posted by Mw007
Maybe if some Rooks would stop hiding boats and not screw a squads ops by another person w/ higher rank taking the boat that the squad was currently using, just to flex their rank muscles and HIDE THE FRIGGIN BOAT, you might have squads stick around. We would know....
From the month that we spent, we being -=Most Wanted=-, there was not a whole lot of offense. I maybe saw 3 or 4 missions the whole time there.
We initialy went over to help w/ numbers along w/ other squads that we wont mention here
:rolleyes:
We as a squad took a vote on whether to stay or go back to native Knights. We overwhelmingly voted to stay Rook, but when others constantly fight over little things as a CV, hampering a squads operation just to HIDE the boat so Knits or Bish can't take it, is TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR.
Thus our vote was "vetoed" and immediately moved back "Home".
It was fun being the underdog, but it wasn't the #'s that drove us out of Rookland.... It was the state of mind of some.
In no way I mean to bash the rooks or offend anyone, I am just stating what I have seen.
Cry me a river MW. So you couldn't use the boat so you whine and run to the knits. Good riddance. Should I post what you said to one of my squad mates? You fly what 7 hours this tour and you want this and that. Get yor rank up and then maybe you can have your little cv back. Fuggin baby, glad your squad is gone.
We came rooks and have been having fun, numbers suck yeah but that means more killing :) Just to let everyone know MW's squad left because they couldn't use a cv because they were having squad night and wanted to use it. The cv was being used for something else, and they were just whining about it. End of story next please.
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Originally posted by Mw007
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Talk about state of mind.
there was two CVs to use, the north CV was from a just captured port which had a GV spawn point from the north mainland base south of it near the town, and with rook forces no where near it, it's risked to be lost.
So, rather than risk losing it to suicide dweebs (of course) and/or depending on the well known lethargic defense response of players for far-front line fields that take long to return to if the capture fails, especially a port where there is nothing for the masses to vulch, that CV was sent north a sector.
The other CV was already on the NW coast of enemy mainland and free to take for offense ops; there wasn't fighting over anything, except not the CV movement, but -=most wanted=- leaving after first making a big deal (belligerent private messages and all) in response to given reason to "the little thing" move the north CV.
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Originally posted by Apar
Instead of waisting your time on flop marketing deals like this MA price contest you might want to consider doing something about the inbalance in the MA, it's getting pretty old and boring for rooks having to fight 4 times the No's !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you on crack?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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sachs,
You might want to re-read, before you get on your soap-box.
We wanted to stay, it was fun being Rook as you mention. There were more targets, not a bad thing at all.
I'm not the flaming type (in more ways than one ) so I won't go there.
But as far as crying and whining, I feel that our point is justified.
Of, course you have your opinion as do I.
As for Private messages, I do not know who said what nor am I going to get into a "He said, they said" mess.
I am just speaking from experience.
Question: what WOULD happen IF a CV is sunk???
at least it would be one less boat to worry about them finding, eh?? :p
Anyway, sachs, you're right, its over and done with here. see you guys in the air
;)
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In my opinion a whole squad switching because you couldn't control a CV is extremely silly. Sure, I can see why it pissed you guys off, but move a whole squad over it?
How many of the squads that switched to rooks awhile back to balance are still there, just JG 2 and Abbeville Kids? Ouch... I hope not.
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I'm sorry Apar. I didn't get to your rebuttal in the last post.
We went to rooks to try to even up some #'s. A few squads went over, some lasted a week and some still might be there.
We go on offensive many times. We are offensive in nature (ask sachs :p )
Ely, Its not about the boat itself, its about respecting other TEAMMATES and respect doesnt equal rank.
MW would never prevent another TEAM MATE from going on offensive.
After all, this should not take up Apar's post. This topic is not about MW leaving, I stated my observation, about Rooks being defensive rather than offensive. I was however giving history behind why we left in case I was called out for not currently being Rook.
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The other CV a sector or two away was not useable because?
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Originally posted by Sachs
Should I post what you said to one of my squad mates?
as a matter of fact, I would like to know what I said to one of your mates....
It might not have been me.... MW is our squad identifier, then our handle.
here are some examples:
MW 007
MW Doody
MW KAZ
see how it works?
7 hours??? really? Is that for the month of Dec?
try checking total time in NOV and maybe even if you'd interested check the hrs logged by our squad...
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Originally posted by moot
The other CV a sector or two away was not useable because?
........it wasnt where the other already was....
:)
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Ignore field numbers and country placement, and P14 is green.
C20 was free.
C13 was taken to safety about that far, closer south actually.
Why is C20 less interesting here?
C13 would certainly have been given over had a good reason been proposed.
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how about you put in a suggestion (rather than a whine) for a good side balancing feature then WAIT TILL NEXT UPDATE
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moving C13 north at that point would seem a good tactical move , but what do i know , i'm just a dumb fighter jock
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Look I have been all 3 sides of this game, and to tell you the truth I like the bishops. Why you ask, or but its not far. Well tuff titties its not my fault you cant keep things together. Every time im on the other side people just sit around and complain that they are loosing. ITS CALLED ORGANIZATION this is what bish have not players. SO STOP THE CRAP AND GET ORGANIZED THEN MAYBE YOU WILL get help or win what ever it may be. Im sure this little post will tick you off, but hey I don't really give a flying sheep.
Have a nice day.
<165th Fighter Group>
check six 109!!!
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ITS CALLED ORGANIZATION this is what bish have
Mein Cod! I HAVE been away too long..........
......say it's not so...........
C'mon... the Bish aren't REALLY organized are they?
Rude.. if this is true, we'd better consider switching.
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ITS CALLED ORGANIZATION this is what bish have not players. SO STOP THE CRAP AND GET ORGANIZED THEN MAYBE YOU WILL get help or win what ever it may be.
You've got to be kidding me.
That's like saying to the guys in Alamo "you can fight Santa Anna off with your dedication! So, don't wait for General Houston, and get organized men!"..
Yeah, like what, fight them off for 13 days and get massacred?
Actually, that really is what we Rooks do most of the time. We fight heaps of shi* flying to us for days, valiantly, but a couple of days is about the most we can go before succumbing. And you, the guys who fly with "the Hoarde", dare lecture us about "it's not the numbers, it's organization?"
Woopy-dee-too, come to Rooks with your squad, and let's see what an "organized" one squad can do against heaps of shi*.
So far, one big "organized squad" ran away after the first week they came, and the second "organized squad" makes up some excuse about CVs the first chance they get, and also takes the first flight out of Rookville after a month or so.
So do come with your organized squad, stay for 6 months or so, and enlighten us with your guidance. Maybe if we see any evidence of "organized resistance" doing any good, we'll start getting (*chuckles*) "organized". All we've seen so far is squads running away screaming.
I've got no fuss about people who rotate on a regular basis. But some of you guys, making a big show about coming to Rooks, and then running off the back door in a week, a month...
Bother not to come again.
The 'respect' you guys carry with you just went down the drain, at least for one third of the AH population who reside in Rookland.
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DMF, crack is a US thing, I'm not from the US, :)
Vorticon, I did give a suggestion although a bit of a drastic one.
Nevertheless I think a rewarding system (score wise that is) for achievements in an outnumbered country has been suggested many times.
Another thing, but I'm not sure that that is still the case, is the default country for new players, it defaults to Bish. The first country you play for is in many cases the country you stick to.
Country limits on entering the game has been suggested. I know it is not in favour because it can break up squads. Personally I don't think it will, it just implicates a squad has to move to another country more often.
I'm sure the creative minds of HT (after all it is HT Creations) can come up with more solutions to the problem that work. :)
Mw, np
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WTG Kweassa! :) :cool:
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No country is immune to gangbanging.
Over the past few days I've seen the rooks, knights and bishops all get ganged on the same map. You're not dealing with anything new or different, or anything the other countries don't. You're not special, you don't deserve any more protection from gangbanging than the rest of us.
The rooks WERE getting the short end of the stick lacking numbers. But the numbers are pretty even now, and the rooks outnumber bishops as much as the other way around.
So in short,
Deal with it.
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Originally posted by Apar
Another thing, but I'm not sure that that is still the case, is the default country for new players, it defaults to Bish. The first country you play for is in many cases the country you stick to.
Sorry, this is incorrect. Just last Sunday when we got Stamper on line for the first time, the first thing we had to get him to do was change country - to Bishops!
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Originally posted by Flossy
Sorry, this is incorrect. Just last Sunday when we got Stamper on line for the first time, the first thing we had to get him to do was change country - to Bishops!
Why didnt you ask him to go rooks. Or are you asking every newbie to come bishop. That helps a lot for numbers thing...
;)
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Flossy, it reads:
......I'm not sure that that is still the case....
But thx for sharing that it isn't anymore, :)
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Being objective of course....I'm beginning to understand why folks leave the rooks....who want's to fly with Whiney Whiners(the worst kind of whiner)?
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Nah Rude, the worst kind is the Whine about Whiners types, ;)
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HAHAHAHA Apar whining louder than me wooohoooo, just won myself a large beer :D
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Whoever came up with "whining about whiners" as the ultimate comeback is an absolute genius. It's damn near as good as "I know you are but what am I?" Check 6 PeeWee, he's gaining on ya.;)
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Originally posted by mipoikel
Why didnt you ask him to go rooks. Or are you asking every newbie to come bishop. That helps a lot for numbers thing...
We wanted Stamper to be Bishops so that he could join our squad - the Krait Squadron.... :D Of course I don't ask every newbie to be Bishop! :p
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Originally posted by Apar
Flossy, it reads:
......I'm not sure that that is still the case....
But thx for sharing that it isn't anymore, :)
OK, sorry I missed that.... I think it was because I have seen so many people here say the same thing recently. ;)
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Originally posted by moot
Ignore field numbers and country placement, and P14 is green.
C20 was free.
C13 was taken to safety about that far, closer south actually.
Why is C20 less interesting here?
C13 would certainly have been given over had a good reason been proposed.
TY- for saving that map. It's clear to me that the priority of some was to hide the boat so the enemy wouldn’t take it. I have a few comments that might make u wonder why they might do that.
1. W/ c20 on top of A11, where will enemy fighter's up to get a cap on 10 while 14 is taken by m3's?!?!? Oh yeah.. Rook leadership doesn’t encourage defending their fields, especially when it’s on their main island and directly in line with our advancing forces right? 14 was capped purely by the nature of its location and our advance, but no one sees that.. "HIDE THE BOAT"(and make it useless).
2. w/ A10 rolling troops to 11 and C20 parked in front of it, V3 attacking a4 and C13 (by now) s of A10, what exactly was the bish threat? The only real threat was A15 and it’s seated to advance on A11, not A10. Bish are still restricted to GV assault on 14(which has cap from 10 and local GV defense), but again "HIDE THE BOAT"(and make it useless)
3. With the high probability of a jabo mission @ C20, MW thought it wise to cap it while rook forces invaded. W C13 in the area, a lost TG-20 would be redirected directly into 11 to get ack and LVT assaults in close. This would detain all bish @ 11 to a 10-mile radius while c13 moved south to provide air support, still giving us advantage @ 11 and securing the fight. But " HIDE THE BOAT" ( and make it useless)
As I see it, the low tactical knowledge of the rook leadership has seriously disrupted any hope the rooks have of consistent victory. It seems they are limited to overwhelming headcount wins on Sunday nights. I don’t blame the average rook, they see the high ranks making decisions and assume its because they know something the regular guys doesn’t, this is simply not the case. It seems to me the rook leadership has achieved high rank watching other rooks die while they vulch. Make no mistake rooks, your leaders are not using strategy to win, they are using pawns, and not winning nearly often enough.
As for the matter of the boats specifically, this isn’t the first time MW has had problems using CV's. I personally have seen as many as 4 CV's hiding in the corner of the map for days at a time. This bothers me because I remember being a newbie and the boats were the coolest thing about the game. It saddens me that rooks (and rooks alone) hide the boats simply because the person in charge doesn’t know how or when to use them. I assure you that I have NEVER seen a boat hidden in knightland, or in bishland(although I wasn’t bish for long).
I did see a rook leader use a boat once, He took it from me because he planned to chase a p47 raid to A9 with it, I reminded him that planes are a lot faster than boats and he probably wouldn’t catch them. But that didn’t matter, “if I want the boat, I need to get my rank up”, he said, and move the boat north away from 10 where the bish had set up shop. 30 mins later, and 25 miles north, bish held out @ 10 until he logged and I sent the boat south. 20 min after that 10 was captured.
There are times when a boat should be moved away from a fight, these examples are clearly not them. Poor planning, strategy and zero respect for others is rampant in rookland, and until rooks as a nation face that, they will continue to lose 6 nights a week. And as the other nations discover new ways to dispatch the RJO,( as we almost did last night) rookland grows closer to VOD each day. (VOD=Valley of dweebs)
Again I stress to rooks that as a whole, you’re a great bunch of guys, but your leaders are doing nothing to encourage teamwork and even less to promote tactical success. This is evident in the 5 hour vulchathon @ a10 that very day, because no one wanted to take 14. ("we will just lose it again")
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lil' generals and their constant caps lock on "orders" piss me off. "Team work" does not equal screaming for people to do what you want them to do. - and whining if(when) they don't.
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Am I the only one whose eyes glazed over at Doody's strategic mumbo-jumbo?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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OMG. From now on, when my wife says, "I'm going to watch my soap operas..." I'll just have to say, "I'm going to go play mine."
Charon
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Are the Rook numbers low because players don't llike playing on that team, or do players not like playing on the Rook team because the numbers are low?
I say it's all Hitech's fault. He chose to add the "pork the arena and screw up the fun for the smallest team" incentive in AH.
The reality is:
* not all players care to participate in the capture the arena game
* a singular objective can encourage two teams to unite against the third
* a built in arena objective has a limting affect on tactics and game play (the quickest way to capture a base is to avoid combat and use massive assault)
* as long as there is an arena objective in the game, there will be fighting over tactics... many chiefs with only one war
* players will always migrate to the strongest side... assured imbalance
* if there was not an arena objective, an imbalance of numbers would not be as important
* it's fun to gang, but not to be ganged... resulting in half (or more) of the customers not enjoying AH (IMHO, unhappy customers = bad business decision)
Certainly I'm not in a position to tell HTC what to do, but the community might.
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Originally posted by Apar
Nah Rude, the worst kind is the Whine about Whiners types, ;)
Nah, it's whining about whining about whiners. :p
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Every country gets ganged at one time of day or another. Here is a remedy its a very simple thing too let me explain. Country #1 wins reset Country #2 and #3 now gang #1 untill #2 or #3 wins reset. Now the 2 losing countrys gang the winning country untill one or the other wins. Rinse and repeat.
Ok now the real world country #1 hates country #3 country #3 hates country #2 country #2 hates country #1. LOL sounds like the middle east.
None of the 3 will follow the plan cause we hate them. Too blind to see too rapped up in thier own petty roadkill to try and work for a better plan for all. You see it every day in every aspect of life the guy on the hiway with his turn signal on that you wont let in cause he would be in front of you. The other guy on the hiway that cut you off so he could get to the next stop light 10 seconds before you. Like the 10 seconds he saved was worth killing you over.
We cant help it its our nature! We are like a river allways seeking the path of the least resistance.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Am I the only one whose eyes glazed over at Doody's strategic mumbo-jumbo?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Naw, wake me when it gets interesting.
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Let me tell a short story about a one-legged man who dreamed of being a track star. AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN. end of story.
My point is this, as a rook you have to know your going to be outnumbered 90% of the time. Thats the lot we are dealt.
The problem is what the Rooks do with their limited numbers. We can't control the numbers against us, but we can control the what we do with the numbers we have. I'm finding it more and more that the Rooks as a whole do some of the lamest things when the tide of the battle shifts a different direction. That's what's frustrating the squads that came from other countries.
I'm certain that at the Alamo there was some sort of organization amongst them and I'm sure that a small group of the defenders didn't go off gopher hunting instead of sticking to the battle plan. That's the fundamental difference. We rooks need to starting working together for the big picture and we don't. Until we get our heads out of our "I'll do what I want to do" hole, we are doomed to be outnumbered.
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Are the Rook numbers low because players don't llike playing on that team, or do players not like playing on the Rook team because the numbers are low?
I say it's all Hitech's fault. He chose to add the "pork the arena and screw up the fun for the smallest team" incentive in AH.
The reality is:
* not all players care to participate in the capture the arena game
* a singular objective can encourage two teams to unite against the third
* a built in arena objective has a limting affect on tactics and game play (the quickest way to capture a base is to avoid combat and use massive assault)
* as long as there is an arena objective in the game, there will be fighting over tactics... many chiefs with only one war
* players will always migrate to the strongest side... assured imbalance
* if there was not an arena objective, an imbalance of numbers would not be as important
* it's fun to gang, but not to be ganged... resulting in half (or more) of the customers not enjoying AH (IMHO, unhappy customers = bad business decision)
Certainly I'm not in a position to tell HTC what to do, but the community might.
My thoughts as well Grizzly, :(
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OK. I I think it's enough of numbers/money threads. So, I will leave for a moment my current Bish-Bashing attitude, and answer on a more serious mood, just to state my position on this particular issue, and try to move on to another important issues to be looked into (i.e. Damage Model). I know, I know, mostly nobody cares, but being a Rook develops some strange behaviours... ;)
It all boils down to fun, on our side (players).
It all boils down to money, on Htc side.
On our side, there are people that have fun in gangbanging/vulching defenseless planes. There are people who find fun in engaging terrible odds, or even taking off from capped fields. There are ones who only have fun in huge permanent furballs, while others will only fly for landgrabbing. Some people will be frustrated (some VERY frustrated ;)) if someone kills them, while other ones won't care at all for one virtual death more or less. But there is one common nexus between all of us. When we say goodbye, we usually do it with a smile in our face, and we plan to come back next nite for more. That's what keep this game going.
On Htc. side, I won't deny a certain degree of passion in them. But numbers are just tyrannic partners. Whatever his conception of this game might be, he has to stick with players' preferences. He minght have the *absolute* best in WWII simulation, if he does not meet players', he won't be in business for long.
So, at the end, it's an embedded equilibrium. Rooks can be overwhelmed night after night (or Bish, or Knits), as long as there are enough Rooks having fun with that to make other countries' life fun. When this broke, and not enough Rooks have fun, the whole thing breaks up. That's why Htc. is thinking on side balancing. Being the underdog is not easy, and can get frustrating fast. If one whole side gets frustrated, either you make it appealing, or you change the system.
Everything has been said, and a lot of times. I think it's time to move to the next BBS flamefest and leave this horse alone. Htc. has to take care of it, and, if we are to trust his words, they are doing it.
Just my two cents.
to Bishes at A18!. Pipz, Anton and Hajo come to mind...nice fites :) .... Pity the rest of your contry suck that bad as to manage a 30 min vulch on A29 to retain it only 5 minutes against inferior numbers. Hmmmm.....being a lemming mother has to be the saddest of all jobs. All this slaughters :D
Cheers,
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Originally posted by Sachs
Cry me a river MW. So you couldn't use the boat so you whine and run to the knits. Good riddance.
Get yor rank up and then maybe you can have your little cv back. Fuggin baby, glad your squad is gone.
Exactly why i left the rooks...and my squad that was rooks.
too many INDIVIDUAL players(cherry pickers)....hmm..pepe comes to mind:eek:
Then the one's that wanna fight ina team go knights or Bishops....then you WHINE about having to deal with numbers....your dealing with folks that wanna fight as a team instead of INDIVIDUALS...but yet you expect 1on1's.
the CORE mentality of Rooks is to fight....not land grab...but you dipchits haven't gotten the picture yet.....YOUR FIGHTING 2 TEAMS THAT WANNA LAND GRAB....so change your freakin vision of the game and get with the PROGRAM....
instead you got morons like sachs puttin down a squad that tried to help you....like em or not MW is a big squad and helps any side its on:mad:
no pity for rooks.....you did this to yourselves...keep chasin the people away...Bishop an Knights will welcome them.
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SLO.... why do you say I'm the individual type? :confused:
Perhaps my tendency to try to defend vulched fields define me as "cherry picker"?
Perhaps I do not call 6?
Or dive to help a friendly?
Or join missions...depending what type? (of course I wont joing Lemming-type, Tiffy-hordes-die-en-masse ala Bishop) :D
Or warn when a field is under attack?
What does (from your reputed point of view) qualify me as an individual type?
Geez...I see now. I know why you quit Rooks. You need a warmth sense of belonging. You need the green cloud surrounding you. You need.... NUMBERS! Welcome to Bishland, where you belong AAARHHGGGHHH......CRACK!!!.. Oh, btw...watch out that cliff :D
SLO, when you realize playing with Rooks has indeed nothing to do with teamwork, but with challenge, you will be welcomed back :D
Cheers,
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lol pepino....just jokin bud.
:)
1on1....5on5.....10on10...I don't care....I'll fight as many as it takes....to get at those beautiful fluffy white things with 4 legs....hmmmm....sheep:eek:
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Heheheh.....me too (the joking part, I mean) ;)
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