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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on December 07, 2002, 02:49:46 PM
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from BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1846589.stm)
Alcohol is implicated in 33,000 deaths every year and one in six people attending accident and emergency units has alcohol-associated injuries. This rises to eight out of 10 at peak times
Ban alcohol!
How come you guys ( UK nannys) love to demonize inanimate objects (guns) instead of people?
Well at least be consistant and ban alcohol. The numbers do not lie.
Alcohol is much more a threat to your lives than guns have ever been.
I love the hypocrisy.
A study in 2000 in Sweden reports that Alcohol is implicated in ALMOST HALF of ALL unatural DEATH.
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I'll drink to that!
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Alcohol is much more a threat to your lives than guns have ever been.
and the combination of this two is even more dangerous.
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It would sure be safer to ride on an airplane without the famous "Manchester Drunks".
Its gotten so bad on international flights to the USA, they installed a jail at the airport in Gander Newfoundland just to handle them. Planes divert there all to often to drop of the unruly drunks.
dago
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If you banned alcohol only criminals would drink it!
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It's not alcohol thats dangerous, it's the person holding the bottle !
:D
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where's BLeat1e when you need him?
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I always thought that just like in the US in the UK the second amendment to the constitution said that everybody should be allowed to carry liquor and/or any other alcoholic refreshment to rise against their government if deemed necessary by them. Why ban it? It's a constituonal right! :D
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Bottom line is it still takes a human.
Alcohol sitting on the shelf untouched is no danger.
Add an irresponsible human and a motor vehicle to the mix and you have trouble.
Neither the car nor the whiskey have a free will.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Alcohol is much more a threat to your lives than guns have ever been.
I love the hypocrisy.
...me too.
Let's ban all the cars, those causes tremendous amount of deaths.
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The real reason the UK wont ban alcohol ( or even cigarettes) is that they make to much money from it. Thus the hypocrisy.
Even though Alcohol is implicated as the cause of 33,000 deaths a year in the UK ( and is on the verge of ruining the health care system), you don't hear a peep about wanting to ban it.
This makes me wonder weather peeple like Beet1e are hypocrits when they focus on guns.
Of the 7 ot 8 hundred deaths a year before the gun bans in the UK, how many did guns have a role in? Even if people with guns caused ALL the homicides in the UK, that would be a small fraction of the number killed do to alcohol.
Isn't a socialist government supposed to ban everything people misuse? Let's see some consistancy over there before you point to the gun laws of the US.
Ban alcohol in the UK or continue turning a blind eye to what it is doing to people and your country.
And you feel you are so much more civilzed.
You can live without alcohol can't you? It doesn't have any practical use does it?
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Nuke,
A great big :rolleyes: for this thread.
The US tried to ban alcohol in the 30s..remember. Didn't work out too well though did it? In fact it was directly responsible for an huge increase in gun related ganster crime. I'd say the Brits learned from American stupidity on that score and won't attempt to make the same mistake.
Your freedom to drive cars at speeds faster than 55mph has been eliminated. It is a governemnt control imposed on your people to try and reduce deaths attributed to accidents on your highways..I don't hear you yelling "socialism" on that score. Why not? Or am I wrong and this isn't someone living in a glass house throwing stones?
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Originally posted by Curval
Nuke,
A great big :rolleyes: for this thread.
The US tried to ban alcohol in the 30s..remember. Didn't work out too well though did it? In fact it was directly responsible for an huge increase in gun related ganster crime. I'd say the Brits learned from American stupidity on that score and won't attempt to make the same mistake.
Your freedom to drive cars at speeds faster than 55mph has been eliminated. It is a governemnt control imposed on your people to try and reduce deaths attributed to accidents on your highways..I don't hear you yelling "socialism" on that score. Why not? Or am I wrong and this isn't someone living in a glass house throwing stones?
Bans on alcohol are as effective as bans on guns.
Maybe since the UK has no guns, an alcohol ban wont result in huge increases in gun related crime.... right?
And The speed limit is 75 mph where I live, so I guess you are wrong on the issue.
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So, you live next to a rural interstate highway? They are the only roads in Arizona that have the 75mph limit. All others are listed as 55mph according to the information I have seen. But, it doesn't matter...your rights have been violated by only allowing 75mph on these roads...how can you allow such a thing?
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But Curval..... 25 mph would be even safer world-wide!
Think of the lives that would be saved!!!
And if even one life...... ;)
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Originally posted by Curval
So, you live next to a rural interstate highway? They are the only roads in Arizona that have the 75mph limit. All others are listed as 55mph according to the information I have seen. But, it doesn't matter...your rights have been violated by only allowing 75mph on these roads...how can you allow such a thing?
Live right in Phoenix, 2 minutes from my house the speed limit is 65 through town on the 51 freeway, 75 when you get on the interstate. Other states have 75 limit too, so you are misinformed.
Your only argument to a ban on alcohol is an attack on our speed limit?
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Highway Info Sources (http://www.hwysafety.org/safety_facts/state_laws/speed_limit_laws.htm)
I'm not wrong Nuke..these guys must be.
I'm not attacking US speed limits..I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in your comment that the UK is a socialist state in which everything dangerous should be banned. You cannot drive over 75mph on rural highways. Why? Because your government has determined the maximum speed at which its citizens are safe..that's all, and according to your "thumping chest, I'm a free American" logic that is socialism. Do I have to explain everything Nuke?
Where do you see that I'm trying to ban alcohol?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Curval
Highway Info Sources (http://www.hwysafety.org/safety_facts/state_laws/speed_limit_laws.htm)
I'm not wrong Nuke..these guys must be.
I'm not attacking US speed limits..I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in your comment that the UK is a socialist state in which everything dangerous should be banned. You cannot drive over 75mph on rural highways. Why? Because your government has determined the maximum speed at which its citizens are safe..that's all, and according to your "thumping chest, I'm a free American" logic that is socialism. Do I have to explain everything Nuke?
Where do you see that I'm trying to ban alcohol?:rolleyes:
I didnt say you where wrong, I said misinformed, just as I didnt say a socialist state should ban everything dangerous, I said mis-used.
And America is a Republic, which means we are ruled by law. We happen to put speed limits on our roads, by law.
We also happen to have a right to bear arms.
I don't thump my chest and I dont't see any other Americans doing that either...... you must see that in the movies?
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I'm not wrong Nuke..these guys must be
What a liberal, panty waste thing to say. You WHERE wrong and you blame your source rather that take the blame yourself.
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Originally posted by NUKE
And America is a Republic, which means we are ruled by law. We happen to put speed limits on our roads, by law.
A very simple question then, "Why is it a law?":rolleyes:
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Originally posted by NUKE
What a liberal, panty waste thing to say. You WHERE wrong and you blame your source rather that take the blame yourself.
Okay, Nuke...I was wrong (if that makes you feel better)...now answer the question above.
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Originally posted by Curval
A very simple question then, "Why is it a law?":rolleyes:
You roll your eyes a lot, you okay?
Why is any law a law?
We have laws, as most countries do.
We have speed limits for saftey on the roads, just like we can't fire warning shots over people's heads with our guns.
We don't ban driving just because driving kills some people.
I'm not for a ban on alcohol in the US, just in the UK.
I want the UK to be consistant with their bannings.
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You simply cannot stick to one argument can you...you take snippets of one argument and add them to others.
Again, all I am doing was showing how hypocrital YOU are. You seem to think that the UK is a socilist country because they ban things..thereby infringing on the rights of their citizens. Your government bans lots of stuff to "protect you" but somehow that is better than the UK because you have a Republic and that the country has laws like anyone else?
What a crock!
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Nuke why this obsession about the UK?
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curval... the speed limit is 70-75 in California.. the way they got the 55 limit in was by telling us that it would save fuel and that we were in a gas crisis... The way they tried to keep it after the "crisis" was over was by issuing proclamations from our version of the "home office" about how many lives were saved... we told em to go pound sand and take your nanny crap elsewhere (england?)... any 55 limits left are simply holdovers from the old federal mandate. The law was hated by allmost everyone and totally disregarded... if fostered a large disrespect for the law..
lazs
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Originally posted by Curval
You simply cannot stick to one argument can you...you take snippets of one argument and add them to others.
Again, all I am doing was showing how hypocrital YOU are. You seem to think that the UK is a socilist country because they ban things..thereby infringing on the rights of their citizens. Your government bans lots of stuff to "protect you" but somehow that is better than the UK because you have a Republic and that the country has laws like anyone else?
What a crock!
Curval, sorry that you don't seem to have the IQ to follow along.
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Originally posted by thrila
Nuke why this obsession about the UK?
Thrila, nothing against the UK.
Just against people from there ( hhmmmm Beet1le) that seem to be transfixed with America and our gun laws.
Just providing a bit of balance.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Curval, sorry that you don't seem to have the IQ to follow along.
LOL..anytime you resort to insults you have lost. Just stick to one point and I'll argue with you. You need to have some consistency in your arguments..much like you accuse the UK of not having when it comes to their laws.
lazs...I'm not arguing that speeds should be reduced or increased...I'm only using it as an example of a governmental control over Americans. I could have used the archaic drug laws that you have in the US (which are so incredibly inconsistent from State to State that it is laughable). Nuke is implying that laws in the UK are socialist ones which try and limit the freedom of its citizens..he goes on to state that the UK should be consistent in its laws. I find his arguments decidedly hypocritical.
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curval... and i am explaing the back door way that the law was enacted and the failure of it. It was a form of martial law... and emergency law that was disliked by all and repealed as soon as possible... the feds withheld funding (they kept the states own monies and wouldn't give em back) if the states didn't buckle under.
I will admit tho that the U.S. is getting more effeminate every day.. more and more politicians that are as devoid of thought as say... beetle.. are coming up with "feel good" legeslation that will appeal to the woman (and womanly man0 voter. They want to appear to be doing something without doing any of the real work.
I would love to end womens sufferage.
lazs
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Originally posted by NUKE
Thrila, nothing against the UK.
Just against people from there ( hhmmmm Beet1le) that seem to be transfixed with America and our gun laws.
Just providing a bit of balance.
Funny but I don't see one Beet1e post in here. I also cannot find a thread started by Beet1e regarding gun laws, or trying to snipe at Americans in any way in the last 5 or 6 pages of threads in the O'Club. There is one wishing you all a Happy Thanksgiving fairly recently (page 5 or 6, I think), but that is about it.
Mr. Nuke is once again being a hypocrite accusing Beet1e of being transfixed by the gun issue. I'd say it was Nuke would won't drop it now.
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Originally posted by Curval
Funny but I don't see one Beet1e post in here. I also cannot find a thread started by Beet1e regarding gun laws, or trying to snipe at Americans in any way in the last 5 or 6 pages of threads in the O'Club. There is one wishing you all a Happy Thanksgiving fairly recently (page 5 or 6, I think), but that is about it.
Mr. Nuke is once again being a hypocrite accusing Beet1e of being transfixed by the gun issue. I'd say it was Nuke would won't drop it now.
Once again, your lack of a decent IQ is showing. One need only look at any Beet1e post to realise who is transfixed with America's gun laws.
Beet1es sig is enough reason, not to mention his posts regarding Americans and America ( TV, Cars, Banks, Tourists)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Once again, your lack of a decent IQ is showing. One need only look at any Beet1e post to realise who is transfixed with America's gun laws.
Beet1es sig is enough reason, not to mention his posts regarding Americans and America ( TV, Cars, Banks, Tourists)
Do you even read what I actually write, or do you get an idea in your head about what I am trying to say and then post? Please read every word of what I wrote and think about it before showing "your" lack of intelligence.
...and PS..nice editing on some of your posts..particularly the one in which you did accuse me of being wrong. I just went back to point out how sad your IQ is, because you had indeed told me I was wrong...only to find that you edited it. That is akin to cheating and shows quite a bit about your personality.
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Do you even read what I actually write, or do you get an idea in your head about what I am trying to say and then post?
Yeah, I'm supernatural, I just get an idea in my head about what you are trying to say, then I post... based on my supernatural abilities.
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Unfortunatley those supernatural abilities are weak at best..because you did not address what I wrote at all in your response.
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...and PS..nice editing on some of your posts..particularly the one in which you did accuse me of being wrong. I just went back to point out how sad your IQ is, because you had indeed told me I was wrong...only to find that you edited it. That is akin to cheating and shows quite a bit about your personality.
I edit my posts to remove my signature.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Once again, your lack of a decent IQ is showing. One need only look at any Beet1e post to realise who is transfixed with America's gun laws.
Beet1es sig is enough reason, not to mention his posts regarding Americans and America ( TV, Cars, Banks, Tourists)
He has stopped..you haven't and it is getting old.
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Originally posted by Curval
Unfortunatley those supernatural abilities are weak at best..because you did not address what I wrote at all in your response.
OK Curval, this is your chance. What do you want me to respond to ? I will answer any question.
Be specific, and think about what you will ask.
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He has stopped..you haven't and it is getting old.
Beet1e's sig has stopped? I wasn't aware
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Originally posted by Curval
Funny but I don't see one Beet1e post in here. I also cannot find a thread started by Beet1e regarding gun laws, or trying to snipe at Americans in any way in the last 5 or 6 pages of threads in the O'Club. There is one wishing you all a Happy Thanksgiving fairly recently (page 5 or 6, I think), but that is about it.
Mr. Nuke is once again being a hypocrite accusing Beet1e of being transfixed by the gun issue. I'd say it was Nuke would won't drop it now.
Beatt1e has not posted in this thread.
Beet1le has not STARTED a thread sniping about guns in the past 5 or 6 pages of the O'Club threads.
You have...two or three of them.
You won't give it up and yet in your response to Thrila you claim Beet1e is transfixed with the gun laws. YOU are the one is transfixed.
Clear?
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Originally posted by Curval
Beatt1e has not posted in this thread.
Beet1le has not STARTED a thread sniping about guns in the past 5 or 6 pages of the O'Club threads.
You have...two or three of them.
You won't give it up and yet in your response to Thrila you claim Beet1e is transfixed with the gun laws. YOU are the one is transfixed.
Clear?
Beetle has an Anti-American gun signature, thus he is the one that seem sto be transfixed with the issue.
Why do you limit the case to just my thread? Cant't I start my own thread, as Beet1e has done, and state my views?
Beet1e has his anti gun message in all his posts, yet I am transfixed?
Curval, you don't strike me as being all that intelligent, sorry
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For you NUKE, Debating For Dummies (http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0104/debating.html) I'm sure more people would chip in if Curval wasn't making you already look pretty stupid.
Gatso
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Originally posted by gatso
For you NUKE, Debating For Dummies (http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0104/debating.html) I'm sure more people would chip in if Curval wasn't making you already look pretty stupid.
Gatso
Debate me Gasto
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Originally posted by Curval
...and PS..nice editing on some of your posts..particularly the one in which you did accuse me of being wrong. I just went back to point out how sad your IQ is, because you had indeed told me I was wrong...only to find that you edited it. That is akin to cheating and shows quite a bit about your personality.
When I am wrong I will admit it...I have checked the posts and your ignorance was not edited out, so my accusation was unwarrented.
Allow me to demonstrate:
You said: "And The speed limit is 75 mph where I live, so I guess you are wrong on the issue."
I said: "I'm not wrong Nuke..these guys must be. (referring to my link)"
You said: "I didnt say you where wrong, I said misinformed, (clearly a lie)
You then said: "You WHERE wrong and you blame your source rather that take the blame yourself" (please make up your mind.
I then admitted it: "Okay, Nuke...I was wrong (if that makes you feel better)..."
Who has a limited IQ again?
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Originally posted by Curval
When I am wrong I will admit it...I have checked the posts and your ignorance was not edited out, so my accusation was unwarrented.
Allow me to demonstrate:
You said: "And The speed limit is 75 mph where I live, so I guess you are wrong on the issue."
I said: "I'm not wrong Nuke..these guys must be. (referring to my link)"
You said: "I didnt say you where wrong, I said misinformed, (clearly a lie)
You then said: "You WHERE wrong and you blame your source rather that take the blame yourself" (please make up your mind.
I then admitted it: "Okay, Nuke...I was wrong (if that makes you feel better)..."
Who has a limited IQ again?
What? now you lost me, I admit.
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Read the whole thread Nuke..I'm quoting from the posts in it.
PS You missed a few unedited sigs.
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Curval, I live near Shea and 32nd St in Phoenix.
About 3 miles from me, the speed limit is 65 on the 51 Freeway.
This is near the middle of Phoenix, 6th largest city in the US.
After about 15 miles from me, the speed limit is 75.
YOU and your source are both wrong, what do you want me to do about it?
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and PS..nice editing on some of your posts..particularly the one in which you did accuse me of being wrong. I just went back to point out how sad your IQ is, because you had indeed told me I was wrong...only to find that you edited it. That is akin to cheating and shows quite a bit about your personality.
I said you were wrong because you were wrong.
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and PS..nice editing on some of your posts..particularly the one in which you did accuse me of being wrong. I just went back to point out how sad your IQ is, because you had indeed told me I was wrong...only to find that you edited it. That is akin to cheating and shows quite a bit about your personality.
I accused you of being wrong? I pointed out that you were wrong, only because you were and are.
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OMFG....dude, you don't get it, do you?
The most salient point in those quotes was this..which I brought up to show YOUR limited intelligence:
You said: "I didnt say you where wrong, I said misinformed, (clearly a lie)
But, I see from your response that I needn't have bothered, you just cannot stick to one argument or point.
...and you were questioning earlier why I roll my eyes alot?
:rolleyes:
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You said: "I didnt say you where wrong, I said misinformed, (clearly a lie)
You stated in your post that the speed limit in the US was 55, and you listed a source.
The source was not accurate and you didn't know that.
So, your statement that the speed limit was 55 was not correct, thus you were wrong based on fact, regardless of the source you chose to site.
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Originally posted by Curval
When I am wrong I will admit it...I have checked the posts and your ignorance was not edited out, so my accusation was unwarrented.
Allow me to demonstrate:
You said: "And The speed limit is 75 mph where I live, so I guess you are wrong on the issue."
I said: "I'm not wrong Nuke..these guys must be. (referring to my link)"
You said: "I didnt say you where wrong, I said misinformed, (clearly a lie)
You then said: "You WHERE wrong and you blame your source rather that take the blame yourself" (please make up your mind.
I then admitted it: "Okay, Nuke...I was wrong (if that makes you feel better)..."
Who has a limited IQ again?
The 2 posts you mentioned, about you being misinformed and the one about being wrong....they were not edited.
Low IQ suks huh?
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Originally posted by Curval
When I am wrong I will admit it...I have checked the posts and your ignorance was not edited out, so my accusation was unwarrented.
I know they weren't..which is why I put this in.
See..you DON'T read..you just react.
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NUKE, dude...for the love of god, please, just stop posting in this thread.