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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: PvtPyls on December 08, 2002, 07:50:02 PM
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Today i was banned seven times. I'm not complaining about the fact that i was banned but instead, the fact that people using the same words in identical context were not.
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I was in the MA when all the one-sided conversations were going on.
I found it very entertaining, myself. Logged off for an hour or two to eat and watch TV with the family and the same folks were still on carrying on their one-sided conversations with the moderator(s) when I logged back in.
Man, how I wish we could have a "moderator channel" so we could actually read BOTH sides of it. That'd be even MORE entertaining!
Do you have a film of the text? Can you tell if it is a moderator or the program that's muting you? Does the moderator message just come up in your text box, or what? Can you save that stuff so we can all read it? (I've never been muted by man or machine, so I don't know. I'm sure we have some experts though)
BTW, I also have a question about the mute they do. It's ten minutes, right? So how can guys start talking almost right away. I mean you hear a guy say "I just got muted" then nothing then two minutes later he says "I just got muted AGAIN". So is it ten mintues or not? What's the deal there?
I'd also like HTC to implement a "mute & squelch" score page. Three columns: Mutes by the Program, Mutes by the Moderator, Squelches by fellow players. And a big Prize awarded each camp for the winner in each category..... like cancelling their account or something. :D
Just my .02.
YMMV.
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Mute is kinda useless. Its very easy to circumvent.
If a moderator is on, you get a personal message warning. If its an auto-mute, its a manufactured warning.
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Originally posted by Toad
BTW, I also have a question about the mute they do. It's ten minutes, right? So how can guys start talking almost right away. I mean you hear a guy say "I just got muted" then nothing then two minutes later he says "I just got muted AGAIN". So is it ten mintues or not? What's the deal there?
Toad all they have to do is relog and their not muted anymore.
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Originally posted by Aub
Mute is kinda useless. Its very easy to circumvent.
If a moderator is on, you get a personal message warning. If its an auto-mute, its a manufactured warning.
Only time I've gotten a "personal message" on the warning box from a moderator type was when it was an HTC person. Every time I've been muted by a moderator it was a nice, sudden BOOM for the mute.
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How do you tell the difference Cave? Is it in blue?
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I chased a P51 two sectors to one of our fields where he turned and tried to vultch a bishop while the ack was up. He killed the guy on the runway and I got closer when he turned toward the runway again. The guy taking off goes for the ho even though Im right behind the P51 and within 200 range. He kills himself shooting the P51 and me so after he dies I say something like that was damn stupid with someone right behind him. A moderator says watch the language. I agree that the coarser words dont belong but things like damn and hell are not severe. If you want your kids protected from that why are you letting them play a game of violence?
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I don't know about Cave, but I've never been warned when an HTC person is online.
Everytime I get warnings, a pop-up box appears with something like 'watch the language, please.' In all reality, I'm sure that is how HTC's warnings are issued also.
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Cave, I guess my question is do the machine mutes look the same as the moderator mutes?
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Originally posted by Toad
Cave, I guess my question is do the machine mutes look the same as the moderator mutes?
yes they "look the same" with a grey box and "error message" heading.
the ususal profanity suspects get a canned, "continued use of profanity will result in loss of radio privledges" or something like that.
let's say you're being... well.. shane... you might see a similar box with a message like "you're being annoying" or "calm down shane"
and when one holds a one sided conversation, sometimes the moderator will reply back in context of what you're saying.
so yeah... there's a distinct difference.
i also notice i get mine when i'm usually ragging on some Damned or AK dweeb, leading me to suspect one of them in each is a moderator, and i have a pretty good idea of which ones. :D
here's what i got when i was calling one of them AK dweebs a dweeb... can u tell this is human driven?
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and here's text that generated these messages... in the first "lol what an error message" i recived the first moderator message.. it said something like "calm down shane."
maybe the "die die die facestudmuffin" did it, but i say that when i win a HO when i go ahead and take them, no biggie... more a taunt than anything, like HaH! take that!
after AKDwe... err Chucklz said "don't call me a dweeb" and i replied "dweeb!" is where the "calm down" msg appeared
think you can tell where the two error messages i posted in the prior message came into play respectively?
:D
did that exchange truly warrant a moderator intervention??
hmmmm? "who you know (or who you rag on), more than what you really *say*? :rolleyes:
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Classic reply there Toad :)
Drex
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Toad as Shane posted, you can tell by the text in the warning message. And you can spot warnings from HT pretty quick usually, his typing gives him away :) The mute boxes are both the same, telling you you're muted for 10 minutes.
And actually thinking back on it, there is one person with mod powers that apparently doesn't despise me yet. I've had semi-converstations with them via channel 1 and the warning box. Still haven't figured out who it is yet.
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Today i was banned seven times.
It would seem that someone is a very very slow learner.
dago
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Thanks for the explanation. At least I understand the mechanism now.
Now for my "stupid" question.
All inconsistency and variation in moderators aside, why would anyone keep pressing the issue after getting a warning? I mean, why not just "zip it" for a while? Wouldn't that avoid the problem?
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Originally posted by Toad
All inconsistency and variation in moderators aside, why would anyone keep pressing the issue after getting a warning? I mean, why not just "zip it" for a while? Wouldn't that avoid the problem?
You'd think so, wouldn't you? So what happened instead..... we had a whole lot of people on Channel 1 spelling as many words as they could containing the word "ass", which went on for quite some time. Although laughable, I thought that was pushing it! :)
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Yeah, Flossy. I saw that. That's what I found entertaining. :)
It was as if a few folks were incredibly eager to show what immature little youngsters they were. If Sheriff HT really wanted to "clean up this town" it'd be easy to sucker that crowd into photographing themselves and making their own "wanted" posters!
Still, it looked like the innocuous stuff was sliding by without comment. Or else they were getting muted and relogged in pretty fast. ;)
Funniest part was when I logged back in much later and they were still playing with their new toys. Reminded me of the chimps at the zoo with a new ball. :D
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Originally posted by Toad
All inconsistency and variation in moderators aside, why would anyone keep pressing the issue after getting a warning? I mean, why not just "zip it" for a while? Wouldn't that avoid the problem?
Wow...pure gold. Now if only it were so easy to make folks understand the pure simplicity of this statement and have them apply it.
How hard is it to just stop pushing when you get a simple warning to watch your language?
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Originally posted by Toad
Thanks for the explanation. At least I understand the mechanism now.
Now for my "stupid" question.
All inconsistency and variation in moderators aside, why would anyone keep pressing the issue after getting a warning? I mean, why not just "zip it" for a while? Wouldn't that avoid the problem?
as for yesterday's situation with the "ass" thing... beats me.. i wasn't even involved except in discussions about moderators in general.
as for *me* potentially continuing... well.... just like you think it's stupid for someone to fly what someone tells them, i don't like having someone tell *me* what or how to talk on channel one if i'm not doing anything wrong per se, except by *that* person's "code" - which seems to be that they personally may not go for channel 1 "smack" and i'm apparently ragging on one of their buddies, and not even really saying anything remarkable.
in a prior situation with one of the damned... it was *boom* mute right off the bat for what was basically similar in terms to what i posted above.
the good ole boy network at it's worst... which is why from my perspective, it's who you know (or are ragging on), more than what you say that gets a moderator on your case, or not.
plus what's this about VOX being quite nasty at times? (i don't use vox, so...)? seems there's no moderation or ability to squelch vox or vox/ranges from what i gather.
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actually shane... you're funnier when you get shot down.
lazs
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Originally posted by sling322
How hard is it to just stop pushing when you get a simple warning to watch your language?
agreed when it comes to filtered words or truly obnoxious stuff...
but "dweeb" is a word deserving of "calm down"??? deserving of a moderator trying to play 80 pound chimp and force *his* personal ethos down my throat with an "error message lecture" ?
sorry... as much as this is HTC's decision as to *who* to select for moderators, from my end they need some serious training and lectures of their own for when they need to step in situations.
this is why the anonymity is so annoying... you can't show HTC that perhaps a moderator or 2 just might not be truly capable of fulfilling that role as intended. 50 to 1 that both my situations had moderators who were members of those respective squads.
i've never, ever, gotten an error message for similiar conversations with countless lamger ganging dweebs who need more time in the TA ----->
with no apparent accountability or method by which a moderator can be held accountable for *their* actions, a moderator is free to abuse those priviledges. i'm not saying they all do, or do all the time, but... yanno?
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Originally posted by Shane
as for *me* potentially continuing... well.... just like you think it's stupid for someone to fly what someone tells them, i don't like having someone tell *me* what or how to talk on channel one if i'm not doing anything wrong per se, except by *that* person's "code" - which seems to be that they personally may not go for channel 1 "smack" and i'm apparently ragging on one of their buddies, and not even really saying anything remarkable.
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I see what you are saying; how can I not be sympathetic to logic like that? ;)
All I can say is that obviously HTC selects these guys and gives them their "marching orders". He must feel he has it under control.
If the player base does not, perhaps direct E-Mail or a phone call would be the best course? It's come up enough on the BBS that I suspect it's either OK by them or it's not getting through.
plus what's this about VOX being quite nasty at times? (i don't use vox, so...)? seems there's no moderation or ability to squelch vox or vox/ranges from what i gather.
That I have heard HT address. He said no squelching of range in order to enhance the community aspect. Or something like that. I don't particularly care for range because the squad uses vox extensively. I just hate two radios going at equal volume. At a minimum, I'd like to see individual channel volume sliders. Squelch would be VERY nice though.
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Originally posted by Shane
sorry... as much as this is HTC's decision as to *who* to select for moderators, from my end they need some serious training and lectures of their own for when they need to step in situations.
this is why the anonymity is so annoying... you can't show HTC that perhaps a moderator or 2 just might not be truly capable of fulfilling that role as intended.
Is there a training program? Does anyone know?
I'd have to guess HT set it up the way he feels it needs to be. I doubt anonymity was a random choice.
Again, though, I'd say direct contact would be your best bet on resolution.
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Some of this post reminds me of watching a kid touch an electric fence because he can, or better yet, a little yap dog with a "shock collar" on... that little YIP "YIPE!'..... Yip "YIPE"...
no matter how much logic is used... some will never learn! ;)
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Originally posted by Shane
sorry... as much as this is HTC's decision as to *who* to select for moderators, from my end they need some serious training and lectures of their own for when they need to step in situations.
this is why the anonymity is so annoying... you can't show HTC that perhaps a moderator or 2 just might not be truly capable of fulfilling that role as intended. 50 to 1 that both my situations had moderators who were members of those respective squads.
Well I know that I AM NOT A moderator and I am part of one of the squads you casting an accusation at and as far as I know none of our squad members are a moderator.
Also I am sure that they have away to TELL what moderators says to another player.
So if you feel you are getting picked on - email them the TIMES you got muted and they can check the logs to see who did it and to see if they are abusing any powers they may have.
YMMV
Mike "DmdJordi" Bowman
DAMNED
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You guys who get muted are paying $14.95 to curse on text or
Fly?? AOL Chat rooms are free!!
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Never been muted,,, don't plan on getting muted either.
I have to much self respect for myself.
Most who get muted are immature or have a self esteem problem.
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Originally posted by Shane
......can u tell this is human driven?
Golly... whodd'a thunkit?
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You know some people take this game a bit too over board; and alot of folks with screws loose!
I like the idea of a "mod" being around..for the fact that some people can't contain their actions and need to be baby sat.
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i actually like this thread, even though it's been sometimes since i have received one of them thar messages. someone had commentted that it was like a fart in the bath tub(dunno why) any how my response was " so did the little fart bubbles tickles yer balls" hehe i got one of them messages god i'm still laughing about it:D
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
I like the idea of a "mod" being around..for the fact that some people can't contain their actions and need to be baby sat.
But it DOES seem that a few of the moderators need the same kind of < oversight > babysitters...no?
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I've been muted a few times.. deserved it every time too. Only concern I have is that the application of "mutes" seems very arbitrary. I've been muted in flight, only to have to sit there siliently while one or more people were allowed to abuse me in the same manner for which I was muted. As much as human nature allows, I think the fingers on the trigger should remain unbiased.
Shane you're just about hopeless. You squeak about ganger dweebs? It's your own damned fault if you put yourself in a position to be attacked by multiple bad guys. You oughta be calling yourself names, like: Bad decision dweeb, or poor SA dweeb. The people you are squeaking at are the least responsible for your situation. Get a clue and blame yourself, you're the only one at fault for you getting "ganged".
I fly on your side and you're just as guilty of jumping someone that is already engaged as the very same guys you squeak at. So not only are you whining at the wrong people, you're hypocritical about it as well.
You really don't understand why you get so many pop up warnings do you? You honestly believe that you should be allowed to carry on your endless diatribe of abuse simply because it is bereft of vulgarity? Like I said, I fly on your team(rooks) and I get tired of the endless scrolling you create on my screen...most of which is abuse of one person or another. Yes, I squelch you a lot.. sad because you are often fighting in my area..but it doesn't mean you aren't still on ch1 spewing your crap. Yes sometimes I get into it with people, but you run on constantly and nearly endlessly....shut your fugging mouth once in a while... don't your hands/wrists get tired from all that damned typing? Shane, no matter how much you squeak about the persecution you are receiving, you'll never get much sympathy while you are so regularly passing out abuse on channel one. Get a fuggin clue.
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Originally posted by Steve
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i generally just say "lol ganger dweebs." then 3 or 4 ankle humpers take the opportunity to jump on me on ch1 with insults of their own... so i just poke back at them...
why don't you /.join me one nite so you can see how my "poor SA" lands me in situations. that should shut up your "lecturing."
i still take the stance that it's pathetic to be the 4th 5th 6th or even 3rd to jump in on 1 when that 1 is already pretty busy with 2.... it's an insult to the 1 or 2 already engaged with that 1. sort of like they don't have confidence in their teamie's ability to deal with 1.
this isn't about furballs or base taking ops... i'm often off the main route... i don't say a word when i dive into furballs and get whacked or if i dive into a base being horded and die.
use /.join.... just an hr or 2 and you'll see.
and it's really funny listening to *you* lecture me about ch1. it's interesting how people seem to focus only on *my* ch1 talk, conveniently ignoring what other's are saying to *me* on ch1, which is more often than not, some truly personal insult.
and no, you don't see me being a habitual ganger, i often fly past a 2 or more on 1 in progress... nor do you see me much inside of hordes of rooks, or in big furballs. hell, i don't even fly with a wingman.
again use /.join one nite... then you'll see for yourself.
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Originally posted by Steve
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What was the purpose in berating Steve??? Does it make you feel better sitting behind your monitor? He only offered advice...
Shane, you obviously have missed the boat on your whole intake of this thread... Yes there are sometimes some inconsistencies in being muted, but, it is better to have a few uneven mutings than to allow those, like yourself ,who continue to berate others with vulgar, snide and/or arrogant and derogatory comments on the radio. Now I know you are just twisting in your little chair, but listen up, your parents paying $14.95 a month does not give you a right to treat everyone and everything you disagree with like crap. My simple advice to you is this, listen to some others advice once in awhile.... You might just find out that being a decent person is fun too...
The rest of us just hope you eventually see the light...
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Originally posted by Bodhi
to allow those, like yourself ,who continue to berate others with vulgar, snide and/or arrogant and derogatory comments on the radio.
I have *never* heard a vulgar word initiated outa Shanes keyboard, snide and arrogant remarks are the trademark of alot of players here, it's called smack and it has been in MMOG Flt Games since they started.
What Shane HAS done is draw attention to himself and that has earned him 'special attention' from the moderators. Right or wrong that is the case.
His example above shows that it realy doesn't matter so much WHAT you say as much as WHO it is saying it. Being muted just for calling someone a Dweeb is nothing more than an indicator of who NOT to give moderating powers to.
YMMV as always.
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Originally posted by MrLars
I have *never* heard a vulgar word initiated outa Shanes keyboard,
Mr.Lars... not to be rude... but I hate to see what your definition of vulgar is. He has on a multitude of occasions used vulgar comments for other players and / or other things.
And as for the derogatory talk being a part of online Flight Sims... it has only gotten worse over the past few years. As the prices on computers and cost to play comes down, more and more adolescents are allowed to play. As is often the case, without supervision, they quickly treat the game and the boards like a school yard. Unfortunately, it is not just limited to kids, but it is present amongst the adults as well, but too a much lessor extent it seems.
I do agree, that yes, moderators should be unbiased, and if they are not, it needs to be addressed. But, if certain people have earned their "special attention" for their actions, then, by all means, I support muting them before they get out of hand as they prove they so often do. Maybe if these "special attention cases" were to clean up their act, they might find they would not be so often muted and the target of negative attention.
Just a suggestion as always.
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Poor poor Shane. Dude, I've flow with you, watched you pick on occasion just like anyone else. And yes, I've seen people gang on you in the text buffer. Why don't you, for just one second consider why they would do this. Ok, unwilliing to consider something other than they like it? Let me spell it out for you: You run your mouth so much, in such an abusive manner that people get sick of hearing it so they toss insults at you. I understnad about skipping over a bogie w/ 2 already on him. I do the same thing.. probably same as you.. watch tthe fight for a sec, make sure bogie doesn't have help coming, or that he doesn't have a gross advantage, then move on. Until you quit running your mouth on ch1 in the abusive manner you do, you're going to be scrutinized more frequently by the moderators and you know what? YOU DESERVE IT.
Shane, I enjoy having you as a teammate; like having you in the area. You generally make intelligent decisions and help when you can. I'm not baggin on your skills or team play. What I am saying is simple: the gangings you receive are your fault for choosing to be where you are when you get jumped...no matter how many jump in. Same as the trouble you have on ch1, you bring it on yourself. Nobody's fault but your own.
The moderators didn't have a pajama party and pull your name out of a hat to decide who they will watch more closely than others... take some responsiblity for your actions.... you have brought this on yourself...change your ways or get used to it..other than quitting the game, what choice do you have?
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Toad, Thou doth protest to much.
I bet a gazillion dollars that you're a mod. :D
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Mr.Lars... not to be rude... but I hate to see what your definition of vulgar is. He has on a multitude of occasions used vulgar comments for other players and / or other things.
Like I said, I have *never* read Shane use words that I think are vulgar. That includes masked profanity. That doesn't meen that he doesn't do it but rather that I haven't seen it.
And as for the derogatory talk being a part of online Flight Sims... it has only gotten worse over the past few years. As the prices on computers and cost to play comes down, more and more adolescents are allowed to play. As is often the case, without supervision, they quickly treat the game and the boards like a school yard. Unfortunately, it is not just limited to kids, but it is present amongst the adults as well, but too a much lessor extent it seems. ][/QUOTE]
If you think that AcesHigh has reached some uncharted ground in regards to smack talk then you haven't been in this type of game for very long. Granted, the content of the 'smack' has degraded a lot but the likes of Shane are old school smack talkers, ones who use it to get their foe to either reengage or to announce to the arena that those 3 gangers are no skill dweebs and that they are now dead dweebs. There is absolutly nothing wrong with that IMO.
][/QUOTE] I do agree, that yes, moderators should be unbiased, and if they are not, it needs to be addressed. But, if certain people have earned their "special attention" for their actions, then, by all means, I support muting them before they get out of hand as they prove they so often do. Maybe if these "special attention cases" were to clean up their act, they might find they would not be so often muted and the target of negative attention.
Just a suggestion as always. [/QUOTE]
So, it's the squeeky wheel theory eh? Well, if the moderators single out someone like Shane and they feel fit to mute him for calling someone a dweeb then the system is already broken. Allowing a moderator to mute someone for something that others say on a regular basis will only foster more critisism of the moderator system.
Do I 'like' Shanes antics? No, but I respect his right to talk smack since others have the same right in AH....until HTC says differently.
This moderator thing is something that has caused ill will in the past at other games and is something that ABSOLUTLY has to be unbiased for people to accept it in the proper way.
< edit > sorry, obviously I haven't learned how to quote properly.
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I mute channel 1. Many that participate on that channel could use an english class or two, and a dictionary.
Surely you can come up with something better than facestudmuffin?
That's why you'll always been an easymode dweeb tho Shane... cuz your insults suck more wang than you do.
-SW
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It's scary anymore to see most threads on the BB turn into 'Bash Shane' threads. You accuse him of 'constantly badgering others with vulgar and the like', while the majority of Aces High does it?
I call roadkill. Shane has no *CLUE* what is said about him when he's not even on. I've watched channel 1 some days turn into 'This is why Shane sucks' when he isn't even there to defend himself. No one is doubting Shane likes to talk smack. Does it disturb Aces High? No. Does it PERSONALLY offend anyone? No. Does he ever resort to personal attacks? No.
It is DAMN hypocritical of all of you to sit here and say what is wrong with Shane, when you say *NOTHING* about the ones that do it in return to him. Saying its 'ok' for someone to talk about Shane's mother just because 'Shane deserves' it is wrong on so many levels.
Maybe there is something wrong with Shane's antics. I'm not the one to judge. BUT NEITHER ARE ANY OF YOU. The MOMENT you step down and resort to calling him names also, you become him.
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Shane is my friend and a hell of a nice person. Most of his nonsense is simply humor that many here just can't appreciate. His babble is entertaining and much less severe than many of those who criticize him. Most of you should be in Ripley's Believe It Or Not for the number of ways you've invented to say diddly without getting muted. If you can't appreciate his humor, squelch him... your constant complaints about Shane are more of an arena pollutant than anything he's ever said.
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Actually, it offends a lot of people, and they say so, I don't know what game you're playing... but he pisses off a lot of people in AH.
does he resort to personal attacks? yes quite often actually. Does he start it, YES For example: the "facestudmuffin" incident he mentioned. You can call "roadkill" all you like but it doesn't change my perspective that Shane is frequently abusive.. tonight he was his usual self, insulting MAW's as a whole squad..
You attribute it to smack talking... at the level Shane does it, it's abuse. Does everyone talk smack? no... but a lot of people do, including me. Shane frequently crosses the line in the opinion of many. Ch 1 turns into "this is why Shane sucks" because shane runs his mouth so much. Do you think there is some secret committee that decides who they pick on, on Ch1? Shane gets abused because he abuses others. You reap what you sow.
Don't twist my words Aub... that's weak. I didn't say shane deserves abuse about his mother or any kind of abuse for that matter... I don't appreciate you misrepresenting what I said. I said Shane deserves the scrutiny he gets from the moderators.. that's all I said about "deserves it"
As I've said previously in this thread, I think the moderators often apply their authority without an even hand. However, Shane gets muted and warned more because he is a repeat and frequent offender. I sometimes cross the line myself while smacking and get muted. I accept responsibilty for my actions, take my medicine.
Aub, you have mistakenly assumed I am anti-Shane. Hey, the guys good to fly with, and you've never heard me on ch1 bashing the dude. He gets his abuse because he deals it out. As I stated, he needs to either get used to it, stop doing it himself so he doesn't receive it in kind, or quit the game. What he should definitely do is quit whining about it... he's abusive... gets muted for it, and DESERVES IT.
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Steve, I wasn't necessarily directing this at you. Maybe one or two things (which If I did, I can't remember now)
It's more of a general message. Many people do it, not just a few.
And I'm with Grizzly, what Shane does is in jest, and he just loves to see many hop with anticipation sometimes to bite.
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Ok, bro..
This is uglier than I had intended...I myself have no direct issue w/ shane so I'm gonna stfu now and let those who do speak for themselves if they so desire.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Surely you can come up with something better than facestudmuffin?
-SW
actually i didn't come up with it, a Damned dweeb did. :D
it's an inside joke on BigWeek, something thankfully you'll not get because you wouldn't last long enough there to figure it out.
did i mention lately your pomposity amuses me?
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Originally posted by Shane
it's an inside joke on BigWeek, something thankfully you'll not get because you wouldn't last long enough there to figure it out.
So that means like.... what? That the BigWeek newsgroup is feared amongst the land? Watch where thee tread, BigWeek is the ghetto of all of virtual pilot dorkdom!
Not like I care, if "facestudmuffin" is an inside joke.... that's just sad on it's own.
did i mention lately your pomposity amuses me?
No... but... oh yeah, ouch, that totally hurt!
-SW
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Originally posted by Bodhi
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What was the purpose in berating Steve??? Does it make you feel better sitting behind your monitor? He only offered advice...
lmao. *I* berated steve?!?
lol, gawd. and i thought only horses wore blinders.
thank you for being a perfect example.
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"So that means like.... what? That the BigWeek newsgroup is feared amongst the land? Watch where thee tread, BigWeek is the ghetto of all of virtual pilot dorkdom!
Not like I care, if "facestudmuffin" is an inside joke.... that's just sad on it's own."
So you criticize Shane but see fit to denigrate the entire BigWeek group, many of whom have never played AH, don't know you from Adam, and couldn't care less about your petty whining. Your lameness reads like a neon sign at midnight.
Quiz: Somewhere in WarBirds there is an image of a guy named Blue Baron. If I'm not mistaken, HiTech put him there (or is responsible). You of limited knowledge who know not the rich history from which AcesHigh was born probably don't know who Blue Baron is. But he certainly must be signifigant and someone of note to HiTech. He is also the father of BigWeek and hardly a virtual pilot dork.
I swear some of you guys must have a poker rammed up your butt. Facestudmuffin is no inside joke... something that's used hundreds of times each day by players getting their shorts in a bunch. They are the joke.
Notice how common the term dweeb is? Where do you suppose that comes from? Where do you think the reference to sheep originated? How about seal clubbing, porked, hampster wheel, EeEEeeEeEEEeeEE, get off my leg, lamer, runstang, spit dweeb, dorka, 2 weeks, and even the giant (prairie) squid? They all originated from notable players, like Shane, GB, Subby, Pasha, DD, Kitty, Dead Man, Slug, DoK, Holmes, HiTech, and many more, all frequenters of that "virtual pilot dorkdom" BigWeek.
A clue some of you pucker butt queens can't quite grasp is that these terms were created in fun. F-U-N... a word indicating one is having a good time, joking around, baiting people who can't laugh, not serious, good natured, entertaining... F-U-N is not a bad thing... try it some time, you might like it.
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I don't know you either, you act like it matters that you don't know me. However, you are a perfect example of whining.
"Acknowledge the history of BlueBaron and AW's influence on HT and all of the AW predecessors"
Heard that noise before, didn't care then, don't care now.
If you weren't so adept to taking words and re-arranging them you may have seen the sentence in it's actual form... perhaps you suffer from dyslexia?
This: that "virtual pilot dorkdom" BigWeek. can not possibly come from this: BigWeek is the ghetto of all of virtual pilot dorkdom!
Nevertheless, you couldn't catch the irony. Shane comes here and acts like BigWeek is some bad bellybutton community, hence the ghetto... and all of these so-called communities are a congregation of dorks... hence "dorkdom". See, get it?
BTW, I've read facestudmuffin typed in game exactly 0 times since 1994... it's not as popular as you seem to believe.
-SW
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OK, it's your life =o/
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I've been muted once for calling someone 'Dweeb', and yes it was for that word only. It was a long time ago though (version 1.04) didn't make a fuzz out of it, but I was very surpised!
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Notice how common the term dweeb is? Where do you suppose that comes from? Where do you think the reference to sheep originated? How about seal clubbing, porked, hampster wheel, EeEEeeEeEEEeeEE, get off my leg, lamer, runstang, spit dweeb, dorka, 2 weeks, and even the giant (prairie) squid? They all originated from notable players, like GB, Subby, Pasha, DD, Kitty, Dead Man, Slug, DoK, Holmes, HiTech, and many more, all frequenters of that "virtual pilot dorkdom" BigWeek.
heh, i took my name out of that distinguished list. i'm merely a dweeb. those are uber-dweebs!!
:D
why is it lamer ganger dweebs who couldn't acm their way out of an air castle get all torqued about being called for what they are?
must be something in the hamstard treats?
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
BTW, I've read facestudmuffin typed in game exactly 0 times since 1994... it's not as popular as you seem to believe.
-SW
it was coined less than a few months or so ago.. give it some time you pompous dweeb; just because *you* haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not getting used.
i love they way you make *pronouncements* on things... always good for a
now... get off my leg, you noid!
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
get it?
BW is nothing, dont worry 'bout it. OTOH, that is a fine horse you ride on.
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I want everyone to stop this right now and give each other a big hug!
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I just want my friggin' BBQ Zarda's from RUDE!!
Cobra
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Toad, Thou doth protest to much.
I bet a gazillion dollars that you're a mod. :D
I accept the wager. I also accept PayPal and you now owe me a gazillion dollars; was that bet in USD or Canadian funds? (If Canadian, will that still buy a good bottle of Scotch?)
I've never been asked to be a Moderator and I wouldn't accept if asked. I don't have enough time to play...and enjoy playing without interruption like phones and my own kids....to be bothered with babysitting a bunch of immature adults.
....Well, maybe if HTC figured out a way to give me a key command to turn their CPU back into molten heap of slag... THEN I'd be interested. ;)
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dweeb
(click to hear the word) (dwb) (http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/pron/D0440800.wav)
n. Slang
A person regarded as socially inept or foolish, often on account of being overly studious.
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Originally posted by Cobra
I just want my friggin' BBQ Zarda's from RUDE!!
Cobra
Whiner:)
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You of limited knowledge who know not the rich history from which AcesHigh was born probably don't know who Blue Baron is. But he certainly must be signifigant and someone of note to HiTech. He is also the father of BigWeek and hardly a virtual pilot dork.
This thread barely made 2 pages and the old AW legacy bones were dug up again. AirWarrior's legacy as a community was its brutally honest meritocracy (see BB's fame&shame). Its tragically ironic that the self-annointed keeper's of AW's flame have skills deteriorated to such a degree that their only remaining rusty weapon is a desperate attempt to trace some tenuous at best virtual royal bloodline.
Don't get my wrong, I'm an AirWarrior, I loved AirWarrior. But damn if those coattails aren't getting crowded.
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Shane, I will refer you to this: "your insults suck more wang than you do."
Rotorian, thank you- it's a WB pure bred. (Still didn't notice I didn't slam BigWeek? man you guys are slow)
-SW
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do you even read your own sig?
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Originally posted by Oedipus
You sound like a 12 year old telling adults what is supposed to be funny and what they should be laughing at.
All this might be hilarious to you, in the context you picture it being said and used in, but no matter how you slice it Shanes behavior, as well as others online and those people who reside in Bigweek, is just plain jeuvinile.
Folks, here we have a perfect example of which I speak. Good old Oedy is putting down those who's humor he doesn't find funny. Be careful out there folks, lest you laugh at the wrong thing and get busted by the funny cops.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Does that answer your question?
I couldn't help but notice you dodged mine completely.
Oed
how could i answer yours? in typical anal retentive WarpBirdies fashion, you stood on your soapbox and answered it yourself. But *I* will add this: The Scenario Corps has benefitted greatly from the AW legacy.
:D
it's interesting how some people wear blinders to what's really going on in terms of gameplay - usually ex-warpbirdie types.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
I wholeheartedly agree with Hornet but will also add that IMO you should save all that reminiscing and woefull yearning for the glorious past for the reunions and for sharing with other people who will fawn over this "legacy."
All that I said flew over the heads of you and Hornet like the space shuttle.
I dredged up the history of this game to show that the stuff Shane is doing has been done for well over ten years by the most respected players.
I dredged BB up because he is the founder of BigWeek (in defense of a group of folks I care a lot for).
Certainly AcesHigh is AcesHigh, not AirWarrior or WarBirds, but a lot of what AcesHigh is came from them. To understand the present, it helps to consider the past, so the legacy IS important.
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Notice how common the term dweeb is? Where do you suppose that comes from? Where do you think the reference to sheep originated? How about seal clubbing, porked, hampster wheel, EeEEeeEeEEEeeEE, get off my leg, lamer, runstang, spit dweeb, dorka, 2 weeks, and even the giant (prairie) squid?
Well said, Grizzly! I can't believe that anyone would get warned/muted for saying the word "Dweeb"! :eek: It just makes no sense at all.... heck, we used it all the time in AW and I always think of myself as one, especially in fighters.... :)
As for Shane, I have known him for a few years now, and have never seen him say anything bad in all that time. Yes, he likes to taunt the enemies.... but, like Grizzly said, it's all in FUN! Shane doesn't use vox, so probably uses text more than most.... why should he be penalised just because he enjoys a bit of banter? :p
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Nothing went over anyones head Grizzly. You've simply empowered your precious legacy with a ridiculous value and importance that others don't share.
Oed
Whatever I did at least pertained to the subject at hand. You seem to have gone off on a tangent with your AW phobia. Should the fact that you don't care about the past prevent me from mentioning it?
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All that I said flew over the heads of you and Hornet like the space shuttle.
Wrong. Though it looks like my post flew over yours.
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"I don't particularly care for range because the squad uses vox extensively. I just hate two radios going at equal volume. At a minimum, I'd like to see individual channel volume sliders." - Toad
Me too - GREAT idea.
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Notice how common the term dweeb is? Where do you suppose that comes from? Where do you think the reference to sheep originated? How about seal clubbing, porked, hampster wheel, EeEEeeEeEEEeeEE, get off my leg, lamer, runstang, spit dweeb, dorka, 2 weeks, and even the giant (prairie) squid? They all originated from notable players, like GB, Subby, Pasha, DD, Kitty, Dead Man, Slug, DoK, Holmes, HiTech, and many more, all frequenters of that "virtual pilot dorkdom" BigWeek.
Arp?
Originally posted by Shane
heh, i took my name out of that distinguished list. i'm merely a dweeb. those are uber-dweebs!!
:D
why is it lamer ganger dweebs who couldn't acm their way out of an air castle get all torqued about being called for what they are?
must be something in the hamstard treats?
Dam I think I saw some modesty there. Refreshing.
Now stfu :D
:cool:
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Originally posted by Turbot
dweeb
(click to hear the word) (dwb) (http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/pron/D0440800.wav)
n. Slang
A person regarded as socially inept or foolish, often on account of being overly studious.
I clicked that like 58 times and it just kept repeating itself. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Rude
I want everyone to stop this right now and give each other a big hug!
NOBODY TOUCHES MY NANAS!
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
( man you guys are slow)
-SW
Anything you say Bugs Bunny. :)
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Originally posted by Toad
I accept the wager. I also accept PayPal and you now owe me a gazillion dollars; was that bet in USD or Canadian funds? (If Canadian, will that still buy a good bottle of Scotch?)
Damn, I bet AKCurly is though. Probably had to leave the squad for it. I'm guessing that you can't be in a squad if you are going to be a mod. Bias and all.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Damn, I bet AKCurly is though. Probably had to leave the squad for it. I'm guessing that you can't be in a squad if you are going to be a mod. Bias and all.
5 seconds looking at the score board would have prevented you from such a humiliating statement. :p
I confess, all AK's are moderators, just relax, have fun. ;)
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Originally posted by Grizzly
A clue some of you pucker butt queens can't quite grasp is that these terms were created in fun. F-U-N...
here griz, take your meds.
now come on back to your room.
Everything is A O K.
Tex
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Originally posted by texter
here griz, take your meds.
now come on back to your room.
Everything is A O K.
Tex
Thanks... I feel much better now =o|
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i think all your points are valid, thank you for your feedback
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Muting Channel 1 is the first thing I do. I'll use it but it's very infrequent.
Did get muted one time though, it was an automated deal. Interesting, I wasn't aware it could happen up to that point.
I'm not in the habit of swearing like a fiend, or even using terms such as "Facestudmuffin" or "buttered puck queen" in front of young kids. I'll swear like a sailor in front of people my own age, but kids need a little better example.
What other people do is their business.
However if I had a kid online, I would show him how I use squelch - and how he should use squelch - and why the guys who don't use squelch are dweebs. :D Personally I just don't care for the whole moderator thing, but that's just me.
(http://www.mindspear.com/graphics/heatware.jpg)
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Originally posted by smash
and why the guys who don't use squelch are dweebs. :D Personally I just don't care for the whole moderator thing, but that's just me.
/ignore works
for ~430,000 folks.
reckon there's a clue there somewhere?
Tex
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Originally posted by AKIron
5 seconds looking at the score board would have prevented you from such a humiliating statement. :p
I confess, all AK's are moderators, just relax, have fun. ;)
F***'n great, not only do I owe Toad a gazillion dollars, now I'm humiliated. :(
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Man, we should keep this thread going for a few more pages. There's no telling how retarded it could get...hell it may even be able to break through the great 'tard barrier and cover new ground (tho' I doubt it). Carry on!
SOB
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Is it just me or does anyone else think it's suspicious that only one guy in this thread is calling other people moderators? Like directing the suspicion away from himself by pointing to other folks?
Anyone ever get a mute with an "eh?" in it? ;)
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I wholeheartedly agree with Hornet but will also add that IMO you should save all that reminiscing and woefull yearning for the glorious past for the reunions and for sharing with other people who will fawn over this "legacy."
Don't think we're quite on the same page Oedipus. Quick summary:
1. Shane likes to run his mouth, that's cool
3. One of his witty catch phrases is "facestudmuffin"...ok whatever
4. Grizzly is Shane's bestest friend....also great
5. Grizzly rushes to defend Shane by invoking the AW Cods to make "facestudmuffin" appear less dweeby...BS
Do I value AW history? Damn straight I do. But part of that ethos is holding your own...either with the pen or with the sword. Hiding behind history wouldn't have held up in the Crash&Burn and is similarly derided here. I think if you want to honor that past, do it by applying the lessons taught to you, hold yourself to a higher standard. Sometimes, I'm sad to see, more AWers went the other way when they moved to a new pond and it hurt our name w/the larger sim community.
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To give you a straight answer to the question. I think AW's last real (widely used) conribution to the lingo, or "slanguage" as it were was possibly during the 2000 Ploesti scanario.
It was the phrase "I CALL roadkill!" and is attributed to a CO that was having a total and utter melt-down. It then became a running gag and no doubt shows up (or will show up) in scenarios here. Though at the time there was no humor about it, it's now used more than not to poke fun at something.
I for one am proud that "my" event contributed a little (and perhaps the last) peice of "language lore" before AW washed out and we all came to AH.
-W (Ploesti co-CM)
Originally posted by Oedipus
Is there no comparative AW legacy from the last few years? Where is the new legacy? One that doesn't have "made in 1994' stamped on it?
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Originally posted by Ratbo
To give you a straight answer to the question. I think AW's last real (widely used) conribution to the lingo, or "slanguage" as it were was possibly during the 2000 Ploesti scanario.
-W (Ploesti co-CM)
Originally posted by Oedipus
Is there no comparative AW legacy from the last few years? Where is the new legacy? One that doesn't have "made in 1994' stamped on it? [/B]
i like to think that ex-AWers have contributed greatly to scenarios (as well as the Scenario Corps).
the problem with oedipus and his ilk, is that they are anal retentively focusing on a few vocal people (in the MA) and not recognizing the vast majority of more silent ex-aw types and their contributions to gameplay (some poitive, some negative).
they're as guilty of living in the "past" as much as they claim ex-AWers are.
the very kind of dweeb i so love getting torqued - those who think *their* way is the way to go, and anything "different" is to be trampled upon with their high horse.
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Conversely, it's also true that the average Bigweeker comes from a scenario play mindset. In the MA they tend to appear juvenile because of the "make 'em scream" mentality because they enjoy torquing the panties of dweebs into a knot because it's just plain fun to do. This however, obviously does little to enhance the image of AW types to the average arena hampster.
And this is not new to the AH thinggie, as you recall the Bigweekers would often plan and scheme a mass "raid" on an unsuspecting AW RR arena for the sole purpose of "making them scream".
Yes, it's in the area of *scenarios* that the AW refugees shine much more brightly and the positive contributions are very notable.
-W
Originally posted by Shane
i like to think that ex-AWers have contributed greatly to scenarios (as well as the Scenario Corps).
the problem with oedipus and his ilk, is that they are anal retentively focusing on a few vocal people (in the MA) and not recognizing the vast majority of more silent ex-aw types and their contributions to gameplay (some poitive, some negative).
they're as guilty of living in the "past" as much as they claim ex-AWers are.
the very kind of dweeb i so love getting torqued - those who think *their* way is the way to go, and anything "different" is to be trampled upon with their high horse.
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Hardly a contribution on par with Ho's Monkeys. Then again, few things EVER will be on par with that. So don't just go looking for trouble with unfair comparisons. YOU asked for something recent and I *think* that phrase could the last AW contribution to the "common lore" language base.
"I CALL roadkill!" will no doubt appear in the AH *scenario* forums, I'd be shocked if it hasn't already reared it's head a time or two.
"Porked" doesn't look like much on face value either but it carries across the genre. And well, the sheep. Say what you want, but those sheep will always belong to us
-W
Originally posted by Oedipus
??? *That* was a contribution? That is on par with Ho's Monkeys? And what ddo you consider "widley" used? BW people or the flight sim/game genre?
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Well.... AW is dead, and WB might as well be because HT and Pyro aren't there. :)
So I consider AH *the* genre and the true heir apparant to the AW legacy, for better or worse depending on the issue.
I of course will forever chuckle when I see the phrase - though at the time it was coined I thought my hair was gonna fall out.
-W
Originally posted by Oedipus
I hnoestly have no doub it will. And from ex-AW's expressly. But that it will become a flightsim genre phrase?
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i wonder how many phrases or words were created from the mmog flight sims? i can only think of a few that originated here.
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Do I value AW history? Damn straight I do. But part of that ethos is holding your own...either with the pen or with the sword. Hiding behind history wouldn't have held up in the Crash&Burn and is similarly derided here. I think if you want to honor that past, do it by applying the lessons taught to you, hold yourself to a higher standard. Sometimes, I'm sad to see, more AWers went the other way when they moved to a new pond and it hurt our name w/the larger sim community. [/B]
I understand and respect what you say here Hornet, but I don't completely agree.
Black humor has been a part of this game for many years and many respectable players have indulge in it. Certainly others have the option to complain, but the motivation should be understood.
AW is a part of AH, no matter how many wish it weren't so. AW is AH's inheritance... the third part of a trilogy. Few players know of the past nor care. But for some it is something of great value. If they choose to preserve the past, that option should not be closed to them.
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Shame. Your logic and assumptions are "porked." (<-- clear example of an actual AW contribution widely used in online lingo for Ratbo's sake). You're too self absorbed and self justifing to see anything else but your own narrow, convoluted p.o.v.
Oed [/B]
So this is your argument? I hate to get belligerant, but I must. You cite Shane as being "self absorbed and self justifing" while you bath in self absorbtion of AH. I much prefer Shane's dweeb calls than your sanctimonious, self righteous, AH defining bull toejam. If it were not for the responses of people like you (which, BTW permeate the arena even when Shane is not there), Shane's taunts would go unnoticed.
Here's a clue for you Oedy, not that I expect you will take it. We will function as we see fit, not by your standards. What has been has been regardless of your attempts to erase it. If I choose to invoke the legands of AW here or anywhere else, I will do so regardless of how you feel about it. If I use reason and history to explain why some things are as they are, the fact that you do not like it does not in any way deminish the truth. If former AW players wish to continue to function as they did in AW, you do not have the authority, right nor balls to stop us.
AH is the greatest of them all. HiTech was someone we knew and respected long before the first code of AH was written (an icon of AW himself). HTC is a terrific, customer oriented company, the very best I have ever seen. And some of the character, and characters that AW had is an asset to AH, not a liability because you don't like it. Yes AW IS dead, but not those who loved it. We bring that love to HiTech's creation in spite of you. YOU WILL BE ABSORBED >=o|
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Originally posted by PvtPyls
i wonder how many phrases or words were created from the mmog flight sims? i can only think of a few that originated here.
Do you mean here, as in AH? Well, "facestudmuffin" is one... I expect there will be others =o/
(I think Blesk is the instigator of that)
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I'd very well expect that "facestudmuffin" comes from AH, as AW had code to thwart face shooting. :)
-W
Originally posted by Grizzly
Do you mean here, as in AH? Well, "facestudmuffin" is one... I expect there will be others =o/
(I think Blesk is the instigator of that)
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i wasn't even playing flight sims 10 years ago... hmm i guess i'm unknowingly carrying on a fine tradition.
look at it as a form of "hate" if you will, because by cod <-- oops i've let out another AWism - i do so enjoy bringing forth the inherent guilt feelings of hamstards. nothing pleases me more than to take one of the 5 lamer ganger dweebs, who btw get all chest puffy when i say that after i they get me, to the DA for a nice little one on one an dputting them in their place. hell, i'll even go as far as to offer them some tips for getting better.
you're happy with your mediocrity, that's good for you... now be a good little dweeb and hop off that high horse before you hurt yourself.
until i see less lamer ganger dweebs, i guess you're gonna have to see that phrase. why should *I* modify my behavior when you lamer ganger dweebs won't modify *yours*
this is a lot more clearcut than the chicken/egg issue, but you're too dense to see that. so instead of getting all hoity-toity on me, why don't you go off on, instead of protecting, the lamer ganger dweebs? show them there's more to it than being a hamstard or lemming?
i bet i've helped more people than you have, eddipuss.
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lol AW was a gangfest the last couple years it was alive...ganging is simply a fact of life in the MA.. it's NEVER going to go away.
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just like ch1 will never go away. :rolleyes:
just as *I* can fly way out in the boonies to avoid a gang, so did HT give everyone a very nice tool to deal with text they don't wanna see. hmmmm?
now if only the ankle humpers would stop humping my ankle.
:)
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Originally posted by Shane
now if only the ankle humpers would stop humping my ankle.
:)
Its only because you're such a slut :)
culero
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" Jesus you must be hitting the bottle. I'm just on the AH board posting in response to players who keep trying to justify and support the 10 year old behavior of Shane. In response we get treated to some old farts daitribe that really has nothing to do with the issue. You keep whipping out some goofy legacy baloney and compounding the problem by saying we'll be damned for not genufelcting when you read from it. It has nothiung to do with AW vs AH or EA vs HTC. It went off on a tangent because of you. "
Oh you poor maligned little baby. You were innocently posting messages and got attacked by the mean old bear. You act like you're the champion of all that's right in this world and were unfairly attacked by ravenous dogs.
It is we who are responding to people like you who choose to attack us here and in the arena because we don't subscribe to your anal version of AH behavior.
It is we who are having fun and people like you who would deny us of it. It is we who choose to preserve the legacy of AW, and people like you who wish to censor us.
Hornet has also disagreed with me, but he was fair and reasonable about it. I respect him and his opinion. But you choose to use insults and personal attacks. This makes you a pissant who doesn't deserve any consideration. The blood is on your hands, you raised my ire, and now I can tell you with clear conscience to diddly off... I'm done with you.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
downright idiotic and fill with contrived points
Dont let that stop you from doing the same.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
I suggest that the three of you just don't "get it."
Oed
Dont get what? That we dont agree on your and some other's perceptions of Shane? I have yet to invoke any lore. However, I do see that some of the stuff you put on Grizzly can easily be applied to you. It is just my opinion and you know 'bout that and amazinhunks, so whatever floats yer boat.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
and as long as I play AH I'll be a pita to you three here.
Oed
Go for it, no sweat of my back.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
And maybe O.T. (I'm not sure but someone seems to think it's applicable to the discussion) but, "Ask them if they remember KaybearJR and Avenger." So I am. Were these AW players?
Oed
Kbear was an AW player, Avenger never was, he was FA weenie. Now, since I am so slow, care to asplain to moi what do those two have to do with your incapacity to comprehend a disagreement?
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Originally posted by Oedipus
As for those two I asked about? I don't know. Was the one guy you say was a player someone who was an bellybutton in AW or an upstanding player?
Talk 'bout bringing up stuff that doesnt compare. So, do I get to call you pot or kettle? Kbear was/is an amazinhunk not in the game, but he took game issues into real life and 20 times worse than any. I tell you that it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. I know you wont take it from me, but maybe some of those you might respect may or may not set you straight.
Originally posted by Oedipus
Since this topic is about behavior was he a behavioral problem or someone to emulate? Since you know him why not elaborate?
Sorry, but that cannot be discussed without recreating a scorched earth and some things are better left alone. If it makes my position less credible to you, then so be it.
Oed [/B][/QUOTE]
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LOL! this thread is funnier than toejam! :)
Talk about an old time pissing contest.
And even Kelly showed up! Damn I thought he was dead ;)
Hey serious question time. Anyone know how I can get ahold of Gray Eagle ?
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I want to say that Frank Williamson follows this board from time to time. Last time he posted was during the Voss-bashing thread from last month (or month before). I suspect Grey Eagle will pop his head up once this thread rakes through the mud of Air Warrior a bit more.
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Anyone know how I can get ahold of Gray Eagle ?
He still over at BW.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
If it's something you'd rather not discuss then that's fine. It just sounds like a glass house & stones thing to me.
Oed
Like I said, so be it.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
It's not just a few people regarding Shane. Look at this topic and check the dozens (literally) from the past.
Oed
lol, "dozens" what ya smokin' there, slobberdonkey?
you mean "dozens" of anal rententive posts from *you*?
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Cool. It may take some time as I take notes on how to behave like a Shane. Oed
lmao, first you gotta get a good as I am to be able to pull it off.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
A search of the UBB for your handle in the text of the essages (not poster) shows your name coming up in 282 different topics. Dozens of which (yes) deal with you and your behavior assinine online. Oed
yeah and how many came form the same few people?
get busy, slobberdonkey... the posse commitus is awaiting your data.
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I wonder if my phrase "numpty" will go down in AH Lore like some words did in WB?
hehehe kinda funny that in some future sim a Numpty would be looked upon like a dweeb is nowadays hehehehe:D
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so far i've only seen "numpty" used by you... if it becomes more widespread... who knows... even if it did, you'd have slobberdonkey there posting anal retentively about it in a derogatory context of the past being inadmissable in that future sim.
:D
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u wanna say that again in numpty mode fer my benefit?:confused:
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Originally posted by Oedipus
For why should I have to shut up or change my rhetoric and board behavior to suit you two?
Oed
No one is asking you to change a thing. It is you asking Shane to stop taunting and me to abandon the legacy of AW. You can go on doing what you do for eternity, I couldn't care less. But telling us what to do and how to play the game earns you the retort of a madman... for that's all you deserve.
(I honestly can't really reply to the meat of either of your last two posts because they're so downright idiotic and fill with contrived points your that trying to make I honestly feel like I'm talking with frothing madmen)
You can't and haven't replied to the meat of our posts because you have nothing substantial to reply with.
I stated that "clubbing seals" was something dating back to the early days of AW, and presented a list of long time, highly respected players known to have done it. My intention was to use this to explain Shane's taunting, albeit a bit extreme.
You responded telling me not to invoke the past because AH is not AW.
This seemed fair enough at its face value. But upon reflection, I came to realize that I have every right to bring up the legacy of AW, and use it in AH if I wish. But you have no right to stop me.
Then you responded:
You're too self absorbed and self justifing to see anything else but your own narrow, convoluted p.o.v.
A bit nasty, but even if true, the irony is that this is a perfect example of your behavior. For it is you that is making demands about arena behavior and exclusion of AW past. Neither Shane nor I care what you do here or in the game; we are simply responding to what you and others have said. It is you that is self absorbed and self justifying about what you consider appropriate in AH and this BB. It is you that is trying to change us, not the other way around.
How do you justify telling Shane not to taunt, and me to forget AW? HTC can do the former, if they wish, but no one has the right to do the latter. To try is just basically wrong.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
And maybe O.T. (I'm not sure but someone seems to think it's applicable to the discussion) but, "Ask them if they remember KaybearJR and Avenger." So I am. Were these AW players?
Oed
You are on mighty shakey ground invoking those two names. But it may explain a lot about your conduct were you really one of them.
KBear, a character complaining on AGAW one day that he can't sleep because he knows that all night the other side in AW is there porking his bases. When he was chided for this, he went bonkers and started a war on BigWeek that went far beyong flaming posts. He tried to harm several others in real life, like by calling their employers to make accusations with the intention to get them fired, and threats of beating up or killing people. He still lurks here and may have an AH account... could it be Oedy?
Avenger, or Arpvenger, as we called him, is a FA player who was causing a lot of trouble on their message board. One of the AW managers, Mage, ran into him on the FA message board. One day he turned up on BigWeek and pretended tp be friendly, asking questions and talking about AW vs FA. Then we discovered he was taking it back to the FA BB, changing it to make Mage look like some kind of tyrant. He was ostracized on BigWeek and highly criticized on the FA BB. I think he went to WW2OL
So, those are your two heros... enjoy the company.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
AFAIK those two are you and shane but under different handles here.
Let's see. they acted like asses. You two act like asses.
You are full of caca since you cant make the distinction. Not only are you full of caca, but it proves that you cannot make a logical comparison to see the difference. Ergo, you are one of the monkeys that has no clue and very little in the way of nanas. So feel free to keep on flaming with your half jaunted logic. This stuff keeps getting better and better, and is quite entertaining.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
old posts in alt.games.air-warrior shed a lot of light on Kaybearjr last night)
omg he said Kbear :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Originally posted by Oedipus
(this is fun. I think it's funny how I can get you two so stoked that you start creating some reall ugly sounding names and inuendos. I can literally see some noses turning red and temple viegns popping. Maybe there is something to shanes behavior that is really, really funny and humorous (not). I am enjoying poking you two in the same manner your accustomed to however)
lol, slobberdonkey, you're stoking nothing but the empty air bewteen your legs.
you do seem kind of fixated on me, tho'
you're a fun squeak-toy.
:)
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Well, after 4 or 5 posts trying to use reason with nothing but hollow, accusationary replies, it's quite apparent your motivation has nothing to do with any valid grievance but simply to cause trouble.
I tried to give you one last chance, more so others here could clearly see your spots than any concern about you. Now it's crystal clear that my instincts when resorting to vulgar flamage was correct.
You are out of this discussion, your POV is rendered invalid (or nonexistent) and you are hereby rendered to the category of harassor and trouble maker. A chew toy you have now become, giving all others clear license to club you about the head and shoulders until you arp no more. You are now a subject for open ridicule, the public's squeak.
Wear your colors with pride... the clubbing may now commence.
Originally posted by Oedipus
As for evading any "meat" in your posts well, your last several posts have shown there isn't any. You set the pace for evading points and not answering any questions (except for your last post but that icludes gratuituousflameage trying to paint me as two zipperheads who you AW players had trouble with in the past) far back in this topic. I'm just following your lead now. We're beyond that. It's tit-for-tat mud slinging at this point and I have not problem obliging you. But "hero's'? lol. I don't know them toejam or shane-ola. AFAIK those two are you and shane but under different handles here.
Let's see. they acted like asses. You two act like asses.
They exhibited obnoxious, belligerent behavior. You two ooze billigerent, obnoxious behavior.
They had antigonistic attitudes. You two wear antigonistic attitudes proudly.
They apparently enjoyed being very disruptive for thier own sick pleasure. Then put the onous on thier victims for having some "control" over stopping themt. And you two do the very same. (old posts in alt.games.air-warrior shed a lot of light on Kaybearjr last night)
Seems thier shoes fit you two. Very well I might add.
Oed
(this is fun. I think it's funny how I can get you two so stoked that you start creating some reall ugly sounding names and inuendos. I can literally see some noses turning red and temple viegns popping. Maybe there is something to shanes behavior that is really, really funny and humorous (not). I am enjoying poking you two in the same manner your accustomed to however)
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I think I'm beginning to see the true "legacy".
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Finally! A meaningful internet argument!
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Well, after 4 or 5 posts trying to use reason with nothing but hollow, accusationary replies, it's quite apparent your motivation has nothing to do with any valid grievance but simply to cause trouble.
I tried to give you one last chance, more so others here could clearly see your spots than any concern about you. Now it's crystal clear that my instincts when resorting to vulgar flamage was correct.
You are out of this discussion, your POV is rendered invalid (or nonexistent) and you are hereby rendered to the category of harassor and trouble maker. A chew toy you have now become, giving all others clear license to club you about the head and shoulders until you arp no more. You are now a subject for open ridicule, the public's squeak.
Wear your colors with pride... the clubbing may now commence.
Applies perfectly to.
lol, slobberdonkey, you're stoking nothing but the empty air bewteen your legs.
you do seem kind of fixated on me, tho'
you're a fun squeak-toy.
HiTech
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Oedi,
Let me try to interject a voice of reason. Since you seem to respect me as reasonable person (only cause you never saw me mad - ) I hope you'll listen.
First of all IMHO Shane has always been Shane (more or less). Not all AW's (but a notable faction) have always uses a "make me shut up" method of taunting. Depending on the degree of the taunting, (and follow-up "whining" if the only way to shut him up is to gang-bang him with a 3v1 as opposed to a fair fight) it may or may not be viewed by some as obnoxious. Taunt the weenies has always been a passtime of some in AW (and prolly here too!) but I agree that Shane elevates it to what I'll very loosely call "an art form". Add to it that, because of some hearing impairment he's more adept than most of us at USING a keyboard and flying at the same time, so what we have is someone who can put out a great volume of text when he wants to.
But you know what? Beat him in a *fair* fight where the wager is that he'll shut up for an hour if you win - and he *will* shut up. No matter what else you can say about his style - he's *good* for his word. And I trust him. Now, I'm not a good enough pile-it to shut him up. So I would either listen to him - or squelch him. But he wouldn't *bother* me and surely wouln't occupy my thoughts when I wasn't playing.
Grizzly, is probably one of the people I respected the most in AW. He was a long time ranking member of the AW T.O.S. (disciplinary review) team, and as hard as you might find this to believe (at this particular moment) he was always one of the clearest voices of reason on any of the AW boards. He was one of the people that worked the hardest to the bitter end to keep the AW community intact - long after many had given up. What might seem to you as "over sentamentalism" for AW, is the fact that the grief (and anger level) runs deeper for him because he put his whole heard and soul into it. Please take my word that he was one of the most impartial, giving, people the game ever had. Does he have a temper? You bet. But it never got in the way of his decisions. Is he getting more cantankerous with age - prolly - but we'll still love him and understand why he comes from that place in the heart where he comes from.
A trait of the "classic" AW type personality is that they will argue to the death over a small point - but won't waste a breath on small people. If you re-read the thread (especially your treatment of me when I came in with an attempt to answer your question) you can see how you are not totally without blame in this little flamefest iether.
Think about it......
-W
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HiTech advised
Applies perfectly to.
lol, slobberdonkey, you're stoking nothing but the empty air bewteen your legs.
you do seem kind of fixated on me, tho'
you're a fun squeak-toy.
HiTech
Yes, 'tis true =o/
Ratbo said
Is he getting more cantankerous with age - prolly - but we'll still love him and understand why he comes from that place in the heart where he comes from.
With that... I appologize and I'm out of here... thanks Ratbo
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Toad, Thou doth protest to much.
I bet a gazillion dollars that you're a mod. :D
Hmmmmmmm, I wonder :eek:
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Toad said:"....Well, maybe if HTC figured out a way to give me a key command to turn their CPU back into molten heap of slag... THEN I'd be interested. "
I do believe he would do it too!!!! LOL heheeeeeee
This has got to be the best thread in along time!! I have tears from laughing( think the drugs might be helping too):D
Thanks to one and all!!
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Originally posted by hitech
Applies perfectly to.
HiTech
A kill has been recorded.