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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Duedel on December 09, 2002, 05:46:24 AM
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Why not make a little experiment?
Setup a new arena (or maybe use the CT) for an early planeset. The arena should be like the MA (strat and country system the same) but only those planes are available that where introduced into combat till p.e. 12/1943.
So N1k, La7, 190D9, P51D, Yak 9U ... wouldnt be in the arena.
I really would like to give it a try.
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Originally posted by Duedel
Why not make a little experiment?
Setup a new arena (or maybe use the CT) for an early planeset. The arena should be like the MA (strat and country system the same) but only those planes are available that where introduced into combat till p.e. 12/1943.
So N1k, La7, 190D9, P51D, Yak 9U ... wouldnt be in the arena.
I really would like to give it a try.
Wait until the MT arena arrives, supposed to start out with a 1943 plane set.
ack-ack
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Yep I'm very curious about the MT but until it'll be released it will last long.
I dont know if it needs much work to make this early main arena (before a month or two we had 2 Main arenas - but i think it was on different servers) but it would give those guys which are saturated seeing N1k's 190D9 ... a new thing to play with with no need for extra coding (???).
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Originally posted by Duedel
Why not make a little experiment?
Setup a new arena (or maybe use the CT) for an early planeset.
the CT often has early war setups... so many in fact that CTers were getting a little whiney about wanting an occasional mid/late war setup. of course CT is axis/allies, which is even better imho, than a MA-like free for all with planes fighting same planes regardless of early or mid or late. good matchups in CT and you really get a rough idea of what it was like for each respective air force and the opponents they had to deal with. except for pac setups... heh... pac setups... ah well someday the japanese planeset will get filled out.
:)
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The CT Axis vs. Allies is what i dont want. I like to fly what i want without having to change sides. Therefore my suggestion for an additional MA with early plane set - only as a try.
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Originally posted by Duedel
The CT Axis vs. Allies is what i dont want. I like to fly what i want without having to change sides. Therefore my suggestion for an additional MA with early plane set - only as a try.
well in CT side shanges are pretty much unlimited with no time restriction.. not like you have to wait 12 hrs to switch.. a few simple mouse clicks...
sign up for lazs early war within MA arena program.
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I know that the majority here is against it, but I see a rolling planeset as ideal. I personally like to fly to the best of my abilities in every plane available and I still avoid late war monsters as much as possible. Makes you a better allround pilot. Nikis, Spits and LA7's are too easy. Two spit kills in a P47 gives me much more satisfaction than kills in a LA7 and the same goes fore base defense kills in a spit I.
Ah well, can't please everyone... and in a mid war set-up some planes will be ueber as well, and see the majority of use.
Maybe time to try the CT?
Regards,
Ronald
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Neither i want the current MA planeset changed or different sections within the MA nor i want the CT changed (till the MT is here).
I want ALL early planes enabled not only a few LW and russian or something like that.
Per example i like to fight in a 109F4 vs. a 109F4. Got it?
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Wait until the MT arena arrives, supposed to start out with a 1943 plane set.
Where do you keep finding these "nuggets" Ack-Ack? Why do you always reply as if your "in on the plan" and have knowlege of facts no other player does?
Oed
Read the first announcement from HiTech about the Mission Theater.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Do you have a link? In all the HTC "news" posts there is nothing about planesets, theatres or dates - literally no details at all. Thanks.
Oed
Look in the Big Week newsgroup if you have the addy to it, that's were I read the post.
Thought it was in the News section but I guess not. If you have the time to go though the 20,000 post in Big Week, you'll find it.
Ack-Ack
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the 8th airforce setup doesnt mean '43.
The d11 is 44 ac so is the p38l.
The germans have an early 43 (42 actually) g6. The only 43 plane we have for this set up is an a5.
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First all-American plane raid was in August of 1942.
August '42 ey....
What '42 era planes do the us have. Thats kinda my point. Run 8th af set up with bostons spits and typhies......:rolleyes:
Ah ya deleted your post.............
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I sure hope HTC doesnt make the Mission theatre like the MA and only have 42-43 + setups!
Anyway, CT is very good, if you like hostoric planesets and a little change from the n1k,spit,p51,temp,la7 vs n1k,spit,p51,temp,la7 I suggest you try it out some time.
CT allso has very nice maps, some with custom skins now that new skin editor is out!
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Originally posted by Duedel
Why not make a little experiment?
Setup a new arena (or maybe use the CT) for an early planeset. The arena should be like the MA (strat and country system the same) but only those planes are available that where introduced into combat till p.e. 12/1943.
So N1k, La7, 190D9, P51D, Yak 9U ... wouldnt be in the arena.
I really would like to give it a try.
Rgr that Duedel, and when we have some early war French, Russian, Itai, etc. rides an early war set will only be better and better.
I know the whole "change sides in CT" thing is a pain, but CT is also an entirely different mindset, like NO head on shots for the vast majority of pilots, etc., and lends itself to dogfighting for fun.
You should fly there sometime, when there are 12 guys on they will even it out, pick fields to fly from and have at it, it's a blast.
Sakai
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duedel... what would be wrong with having an early war arena at say the bottom third of the pizza map in the MA for instance? you would have and early war set that would be anything goes with no limiting and boring axis vs allied crap and you wouldn't have to play dodgeball from the 400mph snapshooting sky accountants.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
duedel... what would be wrong with having an early war arena at say the bottom third of the pizza map in the MA for instance? you would have and early war set that would be anything goes with no limiting and boring axis vs allied crap and you wouldn't have to play dodgeball from the 400mph snapshooting sky accountants.
lazs
why don't you simply setup a H2H arena for this so you and the other 5 people clamoring for early war mix-n-match planes can fly in and pat each other on the back for your prowess?
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Dunno, bandwith limitation ? Always the same 5 guys on ?
I can feel your pain Duedel - flying an early war plane can be so much fun, until the next late-war-monster comes a`divin` on you.
IMHO a sort of RPS would be the best solution - introduce planes by their service-entry dates throughout the tour, with the given MA setup of sides.
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RPS ain't gonna happen. Period.
Lazs' "area" concept would provide a haven for early war planes, and avoid the drawbacks of multiple arenas.
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Originally posted by lazs2
duedel... what would be wrong with having an early war arena at say the bottom third of the pizza map in the MA for instance? you would have and early war set that would be anything goes with no limiting and boring axis vs allied crap and you wouldn't have to play dodgeball from the 400mph snapshooting sky accountants.
lazs
Nothing would be wrong lazs but u have to make sure that it stays an early war section and no late war planes can fly in and ruin the fun. I thought a second arena would be easier to implement but thats just my guess.
BTW I'm not talking about an RPS. Thats not what I like to see. Dont force people to fly a plane.
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Duedel i think it is a fantastic idea myself.
Just for the run up to 1.11 we could have 2 MA's both playing the same maps but one set with 1943 and other same as we have.
For one thing it would be a good way for HT to test to see if the numbers devide significantly enough to SUPPORT two MAs.
We would know if and how many are interested in an earlier timeframe.It really wont affaect you if you want to continue with the present setup because you can 'vote with your feet' as it were and stay in the normal MA room.If few go for the other arena then it can quickly be shut again.Would this really cause players that are not interested in it any harm?
Id like it just to have a room where there are no niks la7s and p51ds and doras.
if we have a new top plane to mess around with it would make a nice change.Im desperate for something new myself and im impatient for 1.11!! :p
maybe its selfish and there are not that many players who would want to try it? I dont know but I'd suspect there are quite a few who would also appreciate a change of play without hurting our scores and stats?
maybe thats the problem? how would the scores work for 2 MA arenas?
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Originally posted by Shane
well in CT side shanges are pretty much unlimited with no time restriction.. not like you have to wait 12 hrs to switch.. a few simple mouse clicks...
Yup, which is really nice because we can switch sides to keep the forces balanced. Heck, I've switched sides as many as 4 times in a single session.
My regards,
Widewing
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Id LOVE an arena with an early war setup,would be nice to have 3 arenas,early war,mid war,late war,all 3 with their own terrains,me personally,Id go for early war, (Battle of Britain freak!)
:)
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gee shane... ya think only 5 people want to fly early war planes in an open arena? seems we have more than that now.. Don't be so upset tho... my buddy appolodgizes for killing your LA7... it's just that you fly it so ... poorly.. he couldn't resist.
duedel.. you could easily make sure that no late war planes could get to em.. you could also have a seperate reset.
I like early war planes... I like em a lot but... If we have our huge arenas and say 50 planes in an early war arena... I will go where the numbers are. so will everyone else... soon as there is nothing fun happening people will leave the arena with no numbers and never look back. Only the masochists will try to prop up the numbers by going there.
If we had seperate arenas... the bare minimum for success would be a clipboard that we could toggle to any arena and sim,ply click on any base in any arena... otherwise... people won't bother... they will go where the numbers are and stay there.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
duedel.. you could easily make sure that no late war planes could get to em.. you could also have a seperate reset.
If we had seperate arenas... the bare minimum for success would be a clipboard that we could toggle to any arena and sim,ply click on any base in any arena... otherwise... people won't bother... they will go where the numbers are and stay there.
lazs
First: I really think it would be easier to implement seperate arenes cause all of the techniques are here. U only have to change the arena setup and could use ALL MAPS instead of only Pizza.
Furtheron I'm with ya that a seperate arena could lead to the same number problem u mentioned. But hey if it is simpler to implement and if it is simple to implement lets give it a try for one or 2 tours. Till MT it'll be a long long time ;)
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well... it certainly couldn't be any less popular than the CT.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... it certainly couldn't be any less popular than the CT.
lazs
i dunno, it might... i mean the very people who desire this are almost never found in CT anyway...
and that's part of the appeal, it's often an early/mid war setup... so often in fact that people are whining a little bit for a later war setup occasionally.
i do see the appeal tho' for a buffet-style early war arena (within an arena - personally i'm all for it) for those who can't handle the higher speeds of later war planes - mean people with slow reflexes need a place to play, too.
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