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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weazel on December 09, 2002, 07:26:24 PM
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12/07/02 - Man sentenced for talking of "burning Bush"
WASHINGTON, Dec 6, 2002 (Xinhua via COMTEX) -- A US man, who talked of "burning Bush" before President George W. Bush visited South Dakota in 2001, was sentenced on Friday to 37 months in prison.
Richard Humphreys of Portland, Oregon, was convicted in September of threatening to kill or harm Bush.
Humphreys vowed to appeal the sentence, saying that the comment was his right to free speech.
Humphreys made the remark as he talked with a truck driver at a barroom, their discussion was overheard by a bartender who reported to police about the possibility of someone burning Bush.
"I said God might speak to the world through a burning Bush," Humphreys testified during his trial in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. "I had said that before and I thought it was funny."
We're in good hands.....:rolleyes:
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So you read Xinhua often? I guess we know where you really stand now. :)
But seriously, what's wrong with enforcing the laws of the country. These aren't new laws and I don't see any new interpretation here. What's wrong, you afraid that you and your buddy MG might end up on "The List"? :)
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http://host.wallstreetcity.com/wsc2/Comtex_Community_Stories.html?Button=Get+Story&headline=176865295&nocache=2507
If it's true does it matter who reports it?
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Making statements that in effect suggest/order/recommend/show intent to kill the CiC has been a crime for a long time - long before George Bush was President.
And here's another revelation for you - people were jailed for making the same threats vs. William J. Clinton when he was the CiC. You didn't read about it in the papers though.
Mike/wulfie
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Wiezelle thanks for story! Ever since the fall of the Soviet union and the closing of Pravda I have been at a loss to find accurate news reporting about the USA. It seems Xinhua might do the job for me now! Phew...
Death to Amreeka!
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It's obvious how much you miss living under a dictatorship.....but don't worry, it won't be long until we're all required to throw up the stiff arm and screech "Heil Bush".
You will feel right at home then.
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Wiezelle thanks for story! Ever since the fall of the Soviet union and the closing of Pravda I have been at a loss to find accurate news reporting about the USA. It seems Xinhua might do the job for me now! Phew...
Death to Amreeka!
"I said God might speak to the world through a burning Bush," Humphreys testified
Mike/wulfie, that seems awful vague to be considered a threat to chimpys life.
I view it as a progression of the gradual destruction of the traditional US way of life by chimpy and his thugs.
Snip off a bit of freedom or rights here and there and eventually the common man will have none.
Heil Chimpler!
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i you believe in the old testament, i would expect outrage at the fact that somebody got arrested for suggesting that "G-d might speak to the world through a burning Bush". didn't charlton heston already portray that in a movie? it seems so much more likley than G-d speaking through a drooling idiot
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This story (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,62284,00.html) paints a slightly different picture of the situation. Its strange the one you cited didn't mention lighter fluid and a match... nor The President arriving in town later that hour.
AKDejaVu
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I said God might speak to the world through a burning Bush ... I had said that before and I thought it was funny. It was prophetizing"
That's unpossible!
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Threatening the US President has been a federal crime for some time now. So besides your irrational psychotic haterd of Bush what was the point you were trying to make wiezelle?
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but don't worry, it won't be long until we're all required to throw up the stiff arm and screech "Heil Bush".
And how exactly will this happend?
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Germany in 1930's
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naah, Bush is too stupid to be a threat to the democracy.
then again, many thought same about corporal Hitler.
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Wow these guys really think Bush is like Hitler... Thats amazing! :D
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Bush is a lot of things, but he's no Hitler, or even a contemporary analogue of Hitler.
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It's not a threat it's a pun.
if you're going to punish someone do it for the right reason. however, IMO a pun (the worst form of 'humor') should have a stiffer punishment than threatening bush anyway.
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capt. apathy: It's not a threat it's a pun.
"Somebody should pour some lighter fluid on the president and ignite him." - where is a pun in that? That's what he said - from what I've heard on the radio.
GRUNHERZ: Wow these guys really think Bush is like Hitler... Thats amazing!
bounder: Bush is a lot of things, but he's no Hitler, or even a contemporary analogue of Hitler.
What's amasing is blindness of people who fail to realise that socialist policies promoted by well-meaning and smart people invariably lead to elimination of freedom and creation of a totalitarian state.
Hitler did not create a totalitarian collectivist state with planned economy - it was gradually done over 70 preceding years.
miko
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weazel... don't get it? are u saying that Bush had anything to do with the arrest? You don't seriously think that he made up the law and/or the sentance? It must be hell to carry so much hate for someone around in your head eh? Worse part is... I don't think Bush even knows you exist.
lazs
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what? - no silly picture weaz? :)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Wow these guys really think Bush is like Hitler... Thats amazing! :D
Maybe you should add them to your signature Grun.
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And deminish your place of honor in my sig MT, never! :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
And deminish your place of honor in my sig MT, never! :D
Good. I don't like sharing.
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seems like a stupid situation. the law about threatening the president is a good one and an old one. but the inforcement of it in this case is retarded.
if someone says they would like to shoot, poison, or otherwise kill the president in a reasonably feasable way (especially if they are in an area where he is, or is expected to be.) then they should be dealt with, at the very least detained until he leaves the area.
but again this is stupid, do you really think this guy has even the remotest chance to "pour some lighter fluid on the president and ignite him"? not likely.
it wasn't a threat it was a bad pun. the guy makes the conection from the burning bush in the Bible, and burning gwBush. it struck him as funny in his warped little punster mind, so he expanded on it with the lighterfluid remark.
PUN-ish him (sorry couldn't help it) for having a bad sense of humor. but a real honest to God threat on the president? get a grip
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I wouldn't think anyone would have a chance of pouring anything on anyone and lighting them up yet in July of 83, the night I moved to Tampa, a nutbag poured gas over several ppl in a grocery store and lit them up. Several died - other misfigured for life. THe nutbags name was Billy Ferry.
It's a threat. I could/would have someone arrested if they threatened me or mine in like manner. SHould Bush not do the same or those employed to protect him just because the chances of the threat coming true is less?
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Welcome to the real world, apathy - world driven by human motivation.
That jerk could have joked all he wanted untill someone called the authorities. Now, according to the law there is a real case against him - even if he did not have a criminal intent.
Who should decide to treat his act as a stupid joke? The person in charge does not lose anything by keeping him behind bars. But what happens if he is released and does something bad or just as stupid. As soon as that guy is caught again with some damning evidence - which may be as frivolous as this one - the career of the guy who released him is down the drain.
So it's risking a career trusting the guy who is certainly proven stupid and for no apparent benefit. What would you do if your livelihood was on the line because of that wacko "prophet"?
miko
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Originally posted by Eagler
I wouldn't think anyone would have a chance of pouring anything on anyone and lighting them up yet in July of 83, the night I moved to Tampa, a nutbag poured gas over several ppl in a grocery store and lit them up. Several died - other misfigured for life. THe nutbags name was Billy Ferry.
It's a threat. I could/would have someone arrested if they threatened me or mine in like manner. SHould Bush not do the same or those employed to protect him just because the chances of the threat coming true is less?
I guess those people in the grocery stote were surrounded by a toejampile of SS agents too?
As threats go it was pretty vague and he had about as much chance of carrying it out as I do to pilot the space shuttle.
Lazs, I'm glad that white trash doesn't know who I am, they might come after me for being a "threat" to chimpy since I like to point out how much of a swine he is.
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maybe I'm unusual but I'd probably use some common sense. tell the person who reported it that I'd 'look into it' then go talk to the guy and tell him to keep his stupid mouth shut before it gets his bellybutton in trouble. then I'd go on with my day and stop wasting tax payers money.
and as far as if it was me and my family. if I called the cops and reported someone saying something like this they'd tell me 'our hands are tied', 'he hasn't done anything yet, call us after he does', or 'sorry, krispy cream is having a sale' or some such thing. you can bet your bellybutton nobody would even see handcuffs, let alone a cell if a simular threat was made against me or you
who needs to join the real world? :rolleyes:
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capt. apathy: maybe I'm unusual but I'd probably use some common sense. tell the person who reported it that I'd 'look into it' then go talk to the guy and tell him to keep his stupid mouth shut before it gets his bellybutton in trouble. then I'd go on with my day and stop wasting tax payers money.
Common sense? Here you don't even qualify your decision to release him with "and if I do not find reasons to be concerned" or something. Without knowing any details you have aready made the decision that you would let him go. You assume the that people who must have undoubtedly interrogated him at length were stupid and non-professional.
you can bet your bellybutton nobody would even see handcuffs, let alone a cell if a simular threat was made against me or you
Have you ever heard of restraining order? They give those out pretty liberally. And if one violates such an order, to jail he goes promptly.
weazel: people in the grocery stote were surrounded by a toejampile of SS agents too?
I am not sure that elite soldiers willing to give their lives to protect our chief executive somehow became a "shitpile" only because Clinton's term of office expired and "chimpy" got elected.
Anyway, if a person is believed to have criminal intend towards the president, one can hardly rely on him being stupid and insisting on his original plan of pouring flamable liquid. What if he choses to use a rifle? Not much that those SS agents can do to prevent it in all cases.
miko
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Imagine if the guy latter shot Bush with a .50 cal and the secret service said... "yeah we knew who the guy was and that he had threatened the pres but.... we didn't think his original plan had much chance of success.".
I think poor ol weazle is so tied up in knots with his hate that he can't even view things with any perspective anymore... comes from reading all the hateful (and witty) spewing on the lefty sites that he imerses himself in.... when the rest of us look at him like he is a paranoid nutcase he get's even more mad and trys even harder. Now he hates Bush because he thinks it is bush who is making him look stupid and petty.
lazs
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First Ammendment not withstanding, there are a number of laws on the books that regard the mere act of threatening verbally or otherwise as a punishable crime. In these cases, the threat itself is recognized to carry potentially serious consequences if ignored. Thus, merely making the threat is considered a crime. Once a year, for every one of my 20 years in the Air Force, I recieved training titled "Protection of the President" (note, that would predate our currently sitting president). If I were in that bar and heard the statements this person was purported to have made, especially in light of the fact the Prez would be in the area, I would have no choice but to take it seriously and report it. As pointed out, this is not the first time someone has been arrested and convicted for making threats against a President of the United States.
Another thing I was taught in the Air Force (and before that by my father) was that I would show respect for the Office of the President, regardless of who it was that sits there. That doesn't mean I can't publically disagree with his policies (unless I was tasked with carrying out said policy), but I was to do it in a repectful and civil matter.
In an interesting asside, it was former President Clinton who actually created changes in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), making it a punishable offense (for those in the military) to publically ridicule or otherwise poke fun at the President. Read what you want into that.
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WTF does clinton have to do with anything miko?
Nice try lazs..but you really must try harder, your slipping.
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C'mon, Weazel, you got it. You basically likened the current secret service agents assigned to Bush to SS agents. You insinuated Bush somehow created laws that allowed him to abuse this private citizen. It's pretty clear that's not the case. Miko makes the point there was no outrage over the protection of Clinton, so "what's changed since Clinton left office?" might be a better way of putting it. Sabre makes an interesting point that it was actually Clinton who came closer to taking rights away than Bush.
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SS is short for Secret Service.
My point is what I've been saying since that swine got in the White House, this country is on a road to dictatorship, as long as Americans keep turning a blind eye to chimp boy and his thugs destroying the principles that make it what is.
Unlike most of the lemmings on this UBB your a smart man.....I know you can add 2+2 and come up with 4.
He's setting himself up as a king.
His record so far indicates it.
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SS is short for Secret Service.
I apologize, I didn't read it that way.
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So wiezelle you really think that Bush will not leave office when his term as President is up...
Tell us exactly how he will do this?
And again Bush did not enact any federal laws about threatening the president, various laws like these have been in effect for some time - president Clinton even toughened them up in the case of the military.
Plus you forget the man was convicted by a jury in a court of law...
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exactly grun.. the man is so tied up in hate that he has lost all perspective.. he has created a boogey man in his head.
lazs
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Relax and take a deep breath, Weazel ol' pal. Every president since George Washington has been accused by someone of trying to create an "imperial presidency" (with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter...hmm...perhaps that's why they gave him that Nobel Prize). I have great faith that the checks and balances laid out in our constitution will prevent such a thing from happening. I don't think you'll find many who would see the event which inspired this thread as proof of such intent on the part of this President. Now if we suddenly started to see 50-foot tall likenesses of President GWB springing up across the land (like the Saddam ones you see at every place the UN inspectors visit), then I'd admit the possiblity that the power was going to his head. In the mean time, if our form of government survived the outrageous miss-use of power by WJC, it will certainly survive GWB. I still prefer the latter over the former, and by a considerable margine.
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Originally posted by weazel
SS is short for Secret Service.
My point is what I've been saying since that swine got in the White House, this country is on a road to dictatorship, as long as Americans keep turning a blind eye to chimp boy and his thugs destroying the principles that make it what is.
Unlike most of the lemmings on this UBB your a smart man.....I know you can add 2+2 and come up with 4.
He's setting himself up as a king.
His record so far indicates it.
what qualifies you to judge smartness? puhleeease :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by weazel
SS is short for Secret Service.
My point is what I've been saying since that swine got in the White House, this country is on a road to dictatorship, as long as Americans keep turning a blind eye to chimp boy and his thugs destroying the principles that make it what is.
Unlike most of the lemmings on this UBB your a smart man.....I know you can add 2+2 and come up with 4.
He's setting himself up as a king.
His record so far indicates it.
Well, this post is his best.
Weazel...I'll be in Tulsa the weekend of 1/31/03...care to hook up?
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don't do it weazel... it's a trap! the man is a screeming, violent. bully! I've met him. He took my lunch money at the con. Him and his gang of mean spirited thugs... 13th tas!
lazs
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The guy is another religious nutter. He proclaimed to be on a journey of discipleship during which he'd draw attention to Christianity through controversial acts.
Made by someone else during different circumstances it would indeed be a crude pun. Made by a religious nutter hours before Bush came to town, it's a crime.
Prison is a little too much though. Psychiatric help would be better.
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Wasn't Xinhua the news agency which picked up the 'Onion' story about Congress threatening to move to Memphis unless they got a retractable dome with skyboxes?:D
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The Onion! :D
http://www.theonion.com/onion3846/mall_of_central_america.html