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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: -ammo- on December 10, 2002, 10:37:26 AM
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This is not so amazing when you consider the circumstances. If it was a homosexual that was the victim, it would be headlines. However in this case it was the other way around. I am not surprised one bit. The following artical was taken froma Christian news publication. Media Overlooks Hate Crime
Perpetrated By Homosexual? (http://www.mcjonline.com/news/02a/20021209d.shtml)
Concern has been voiced that a hate crime was committed when a 19-year-old homosexual man murdered a Catholic woman in Chicago after she questioned his sexual orientation, but the story has escaped the media spotlight.
Nicholas Gutierrez lived in the apartment above a funeral home on the northwest side of Chicago where 51-year-old Mary Stachowicz, a devout and outspoken Catholic, worked part-time. The woman's body was discovered in a crawl space beneath the apartment, and Gutierrez was charged with her murder Nov. 16.
Reports say Gutierrez confessed to the crime during a videotaped interrogation and explained that he had become furious when Stachowicz asked him, "Why do you [have sex with] boys instead of girls?"
Gutierrez at one time worked as a janitor at the funeral home, so the two knew each other. Apparently the woman had questioned the young man on occasion about his lifestyle, and he claimed that the way she talked to him gave him flashbacks to his mother.
Police said Gutierrez became enraged after Stachowicz questioned him about his sexual orientation and then punched, kicked and stabbed the victim until he was tired. Then he placed a plastic garbage bag over her head and strangled her.
Despite the uniqueness of the tragedy, the mainstream media has paid little attention. A number of conservatives are drawing a stark contrast to the way the media handled the 1998 murder of Matthew Shepard, a homosexual man who was murdered by three heterosexual men in Wyoming after he propositioned them in a bar.
"If a gay man had been murdered for trying to convince someone to be gay, it would be a national news story and be deemed a hate crime. But when a gay man murders a woman who tried to convince him to change, the media spike the story," said Peter LaBarbera, senior policy analyst for the Culture and Family Institute for Concerned Women for America. "If Matthew Shepard's murder deserved national media attention, then why not Mary Stachowicz's?"
LaBarbera said the Culture and Family Institute will monitor the coverage of the case as they have in other cases involving anti-religious bigotry.
"It appears that Mary Stachowicz was murdered for sharing her Catholic beliefs," LaBarbera said. "This case tragically displays the intense hatred for Christianity that exists among some in the homosexual community."
Rod Dreher, a senior staff writer for National Review, also believes the media was unnecessarily quiet regarding Stachowicz's murder compared to Shepard's.
"There is no moral difference between these acts," Dreher wrote in his Nov. 26 column. "Both were heinous, and both deserve publicity. Yet the American media made Matthew Shepard an overnight cause celebre, and have so far said very little about Mary Stachowicz -- just as the media said very little about Jesse Dirkhising, the 13-year-old Arkansas boy raped, tortured and strangled by homosexuals in 1999."
Dreher went on to quote Andrew Sullivan, who he said was "probably the most articulate gay-rights advocate in journalism."
"What we are seeing, I fear, is a logical consequence of the culture that hate-crimes rhetoric promotes," Sullivan wrote in a 2001 New Republic article about the media bias in the Shepard and Dirkhising cases. "Some deaths -- if they affect a politically protected class -- are worth more than others. Other deaths, those that do not fit a politically correct profile, are left to oblivion."
© 2002 Baptist Press
© 2002 Maranatha Christian News Service
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What a surprise! A conservative christian organization wants to call this a hate crime. As my old buddy Slick Willie would say, "Define hate crive".
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As my old buddy Slick Willie would say, "Define hate crive".
That's the problem, only someone like Slick Willie can define 'hate crime'. The rest of us call it 'murder'.
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the super highway of american political-justice system is a one way street
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" The following artical was taken froma Christian news publication."
that speaks volumes by itself..
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Hawk-
Did it happen or didn't it? Agree or disagree with the rest of the article, but either the events happened or they didn't.
Double-standards most certainly do abound in our society.
Only blacks are allowed use the word "cupcake".
Only women have a prayer of winning a sexual harrassment suit.
Not that it matters if this made headline news or not, but blacks, gays, and women's rights are sacred cows to the media.
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I would not call it a "hate crime". She pissed him off by bagering him on multiple occasions - that is not a good reason to kill a person.
But it was the fact of her badgering that triggered him, not the content of her nagging. There are plenty of people around not approving of gay lifestyle and he did not hurt them.
...was murdered for sharing her Catholic beliefs...
Now one should share his or her beliefs by intruding on a person's privacy against his wishes.
"Hate Crime" idea may be contrary to the ideals of justice but the meaning of it is pretty specific. The Christian News Service is way off the mark here - as well as with the other examples they cited.
miko
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hate crime....crime is crime- all crimes are hate crimes, the whole concept of 'hate crime' is stupid.
it is amusing though, that this is the best example they could dig up- it doesn't really enhance their case and is kinda embarrasing really. y'all couldn't find something clearer than this?
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I agree. I think that part of the reason why the media no longer highlights these types of crimes is that people have come to the realization that murder is murder. Attaching "hate" to the front of it is idiotic.
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Why is it so hard to understand that there are groups of people who need protection from discrimination, and groups of people who don't.
Simple conservative common sense seems to get thrown out the window when it comes to minority protection.
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I agree. I think that part of the reason why the media no longer highlights these types of crimes
Of course it does. Liberal media attaches "hate" to any crime against blacks or homosexuals by whites and straights.
This particular christian outlet just tried to do the reverse trick and serve it as "christian-hating".
There are instances of racially motivated or homophobia-motivated crime in US - if not as many as may be presented.
miko
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Murder is not discrimination. Making 'hate' an aggravating circumstance for murder makes murder itself a less serious crime.
Liberals talking about common sense. :rolleyes:
ra
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MT that is total BS! There is NO group out there that needs more protection than others!!
All that is out there is whinny bellybutton so called minorities who won't accept who they are and that no matter what they say NO one owes them anything!
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midnight Target:
Simple conservative common sense seems to get thrown out the window when it comes to minority protection.
Simple conservative common sense does not even consider "minority" as a valid legal category. People are individuals and should be protected as individuals against violence whatever is the reason behind the attacker.
How come my life is less valuable if I am not a member of legally recognised minority?
miko
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"Gutierrez at one time worked as a janitor at the funeral home, so the two knew each other. Apparently the woman had questioned the young man on occasion about his lifestyle, and he claimed that the way she talked to him gave him flashbacks to his mother."
Apart from the obvious fact that he murdered someone I think this line goes to show he had issues. It wasn't a hate crime.
As far as the media issue goes, the US media loves big stories, are driven by money, and aren't consistent....so what's your point?
SOB
PS...I'm not black and I use the word cupcake all the time. I've never been sexually harassed tho'...except maybe by AKDejaVu - pervert!
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Originally posted by Mighty1
MT that is total BS! There is NO group out there that needs more protection than others!!
All that is out there is whinny bellybutton so called minorities who won't accept who they are and that no matter what they say NO one owes them anything!
Really?
ROFL
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Originally posted by SOB
Apart from the obvious fact that he murdered someone I think this line goes to show he had issues. It wasn't a hate crime.
Uh, so it cant be a hate crime if the bad guy "has issues"?
I mean face it, if you are able to murder anyone you "have issues", period.
All you liberals seem to have problems with this one, just pretend that the bad guy was a white supremacist and the victim a gay black person...still no hate crime?
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Did he target her specifically because she was a Christian or woman?
Or because she was a nagging nosey squeak?
Doesnt seem like much of a hate crime to me....
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First of all, stop assuming. I'm not a liberal. Second of all, the facts given in the article show that it was not a hate crime. He didn't kill her because she was a christian...she could have been an athiest and the result would have been the same. The fact that he has issues was another explanation offered by me as to why he did it.
"I mean face it, if you are able to murder anyone you "have issues", period."
No toejam...
"Apart from the obvious fact that he murdered someone"
It's called reading for comprehension, you may want to look into it.
SOB
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Originally posted by mrfish
hate crime....crime is crime- all crimes are hate crimes, the whole concept of 'hate crime' is stupid.
it is amusing though, that this is the best example they could dig up- it doesn't really enhance their case and is kinda embarrasing really. y'all couldn't find something clearer than this?
If you limit the statement to violent crimes, I might tend to agree. A mugging or a carjacking or a burglary aren't hate crimes. If there is an emotion it's indifference.
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"Hey, fellas, let's all get drunk and go beat up some homophobes!!" Hmmm. Just doesn't have the right ring to it, eh?
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well said sandman- i could have stated that more carefully for sure :)
i think there are groups that come under fire more than others but if our laws don't work for them too then change that. you can hate whomever you choose but you have to do it within the law and our general laws should protect against all crimes - especially those violent crimes against person.
laws keep trying to seperate us, no one is going to honestly act like we are all equals if some groups get hand held and others don't- whether they 'need' it or not.
we have to have faith in the system to do it's job i say- fix it if it's broken but no new laws, that's just a liberal way of keeping people thinking they need them to get by.
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"Hey, fellas, let's all get drunk and go beat up some homophobes!!" Hmmm. Just doesn't have the right ring to it, eh?
Getting drunk and going out to beat up somebody is a crime. Next issue.
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SOB-
heh, I bet you don't say "cupcake" in the workplace, at least, not in the presence of blacks.
No, it was a crime (the original thread topic, sorry to hijack back), nothing more.
Edit: Gotta put the pre-emptive "unless the blacks you say it to are your close personal friends". NAACP lives for lawsuits resulting from racial slurs in the workplace.
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so if there are "hate" crimes, stands to reason there must be "love" crimes too....
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I fired a black guy for using the word "cupcake" at our workplace. Racial slurs don't belong here.
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I thought it was outlawed to fire black people in the US?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I thought it was outlawed to fire black people in the US?
It's not illegal. It's just very difficult. :D
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It's not illegal. It's just very difficult. :D
Not hard at all. Just gotta have a good reason, unlike 30 years ago.
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Originally posted by Kieran
SOB-
heh, I bet you don't say "cupcake" in the workplace, at least, not in the presence of blacks.
No, it was a crime (the original thread topic, sorry to hijack back), nothing more.
Edit: Gotta put the pre-emptive "unless the blacks you say it to are your close personal friends". NAACP lives for lawsuits resulting from racial slurs in the workplace.
Heh, actually I have used that word in the workplace. Worked with a very cool older black lady at my old job. Used to trade some of the most offensive language back and forth with her...probably would have made the HR lady cry had she ever heard us. Of course, it was all in good fun, and you're right, I sure as heck wouldn't shout it out in a room full of black people I didn't know! :)
SOB
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midnight Target: Just gotta have a good reason, unlike 30 years ago.
You mean that 30 years ago someone would actually hire a black employee he did not need just to enjoy firing him/her later?
Or did black people were fired 30 years ago once their race was discovered by an employer? Like "I worked with him for 10 years but had no idea he was black!"...
Or would someone start firing people in case of business downturn not based on work qualities but skin color? "Business is hard. I'll leave that dumb white guy and fire the smart black guy".
miko
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hehe, Miko. ;)
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I thought no one hired black people 30 years ago.
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Originally posted by miko2d
midnight Target: Just gotta have a good reason, unlike 30 years ago.
You mean that 30 years ago someone would actually hire a black employee he did not need just to enjoy firing him/her later?
Or did black people were fired 30 years ago once their race was discovered by an employer? Like "I worked with him for 10 years but had no idea he was black!"...
Or would someone start firing people in case of business downturn not based on work qualities but skin color? "Business is hard. I'll leave that dumb white guy and fire the smart black guy".
miko
You trying to set a record for dumb questions per post?
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