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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Widewing on December 10, 2002, 12:30:34 PM
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Kill mongers, their numbers are growing and it’s reflected in the general lack of courtesy displayed to countrymates. Last evening I witnessed an extraordinary amount of kill stealing and generally bad manners. Twice I saw guys shoot off the tail of an enemy fighter, only to have a horde of Rook teammates rush in and gun the falling wreckage. They literally took turns trying to steal the kill. In both cases the kill was in fact swiped from the guy who deserved it. In addition, at least one guy killshootered himself trying to shoot thru my La-5 to get at my target, then squeaked about it. A bit later, I was covering a Rook in a good 1v1 with a P-51. Finally, he shoots off the Mustang’s wingtip and it falls off into a spin. Before it hot the ground, no less than 4 Rooks made gun runs at the dying P-51. For me the last straw came when a horde of Rooks violated the unwritten courtesy of not interfering with a sustained 1v1 unless asked. I had been engaged by a 190, which made a series of diving attacks on my La-5. Gradually, I broke down his E, finally forcing the 190 into a rolling scissors. My typical method of thwarting a scissors is to pull the nose high and roll inverted, snapshooting as he crosses my path. Unable to force an overshoot, the 190 stalls and snap rolls to the right. As I drop in for the killing shot, 3 or 4 Rooks roar in and explode the helpless and damaged 190, with my La-5 barely 100 yards astern.
With this last act of theft, or at least, discourtesy, I went elsewhere and managed to find several 1v1 fights where there were no kill mongering hordes waiting to pounce on easy kills. I’ve observed this same behavior by several Bishops too. While defending a field in an Osti, I watched a Rook and Bish pilot duke it out just south of the field. In this case, the Rook was flying a P-47 and the Bishop a Bf 109. Finally, the Bish pilot gained the advantage. However, before he could finish off the Jug, two Bish P-51s raced in and clobbered the smoking P-47. Kill mongers, unconcerned that someone else had worked hard for that kill. For the record, I was tickled to kill one of the thieving P-51s when he flew too close to my Ostwind. I'm quite sure this is a common problem in all three countries.
I am increasingly alarmed by the growing rabid “dog pack” mentality, which is why I am spending more and more time in the CT. This seems to be quite common among new players. I have found that the “old hands” rarely impose themselves unwanted, and generally ask if you need help before rolling into a 1v1.
In contrast, I spent some time flying at A83 (pizza map) last night. Here, there was no kill stealing and everyone worked together very well. I did note that everyone there fell under the category of “old hand”.
Maybe it’s just me, but I seem to recall that courtesy was much more common 10-12 months ago than it is today.
My regards,
Widewing
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none of that is new ...........
do a search on "100 Check 6 calls if you steal 1 more of my kills"........
Killstealing is always been a problem in ah..............
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I 2nd that.. Or the stupid SOB's that cross into your fire.....and being in a jug =death or loss of a wing. Which has happened to me on many of occasion.
For once I'd love to have Kill shooter off..
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Widewing thats a big Amen. Since we have vox these guys could at least ask if u need help with ur enemy.
Thats what i do all the time before engaging an enemy.
If my country men says no i try to cover his fight and stay out.
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the only problem I have is with the dweebs that take too long to kill other dweebs....thats when I come in at 400+ and steal it away from him:D
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As a dweeb, thanks SLO. :P
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Widewing, I know what you are saying, but I have to say that experience hasn't changed of late. This sounds like stuff that happens to me all the time and I've resolved not to complain about it because life is too short.
Though when someone hurtles in front of me as a I make a killing shot and I get killshot I'll log to avoid saying anything more stupid than usual on Chan 1.
palef
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Horde Warrior...
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Now that there is a bounty on kills, it can only get worse. Guess we just can't let it bother us. Even if you announce a "kilt" plane on VOX, they will still do it. Just try to kill 'em a little closer to the ground, less time for a theft that way. :)
AKSnake
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As long as I can steal Rudes kills its no big deal to me.
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Wide, I'm not an old hand but I too moved over to 83. Watching that tail-less p51 get mauled like a nightcrawler is a pack of bluegills was kinda sad, even after it was announced on vox and ch2 that the pony was dead. I don't know what got into rooks (was it at 73?) but I left the area quickly for better hunting. Best thing about being a rook, it's easy to find an are where you're outnumbered so you never have a dearth of targets. It may be bad form but if I see a 1v1 where the enemy has help on the way, I may swoop in and pop the bad guy, explaining myself after the fact. Yes, I cherry pick..but then I'm a no-skill dweeb...ask anyone lol.
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That sort of stuff has happened for a long while now, it isn't caused by the 'contest'. It may be affected by the contest, I don't know.
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Shooting a dieing plane is silly, but i have to take issue with this:
For me the last straw came when a horde of Rooks violated the unwritten courtesy of not interfering with a sustained 1v1 unless asked.
What the hell are you talking about? If you want a 1-1 go to the dueling arena. If I see a fellow countryman locked up with an enemy plane I will assist him. I don't see it as stealing the kill. In fact I hope i can help him get the kill. If not, an enemy is dead and that is the point isn't it?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Shooting a dieing plane is silly, but i have to take issue with this:
What the hell are you talking about? If you want a 1-1 go to the dueling arena. If I see a fellow countryman locked up with an enemy plane I will assist him. I don't see it as stealing the kill. In fact I hope i can help him get the kill. If not, an enemy is dead and that is the point isn't it?
Actually, the "point" is to enjoy one's self.
What if your countryman doesn't want your help? What if he prefers to fight it out alone? Do you offer your assistance and then respect his wishes? Some guys just want an opportunity to live or die by their own actions. Should he lose, then the bad guy is all yours, right? Believe me, should I need help, I'll be yelling over the vox! :D
Seriously, why should someone have to got to the DA just to enjoy a 1v1 without every Tom, Dick and Harry converging from all over the sector trying to grab the kill? Geez guys, go find your own fight!
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Kill mongers, their numbers are growing and it’s reflected in the general lack of courtesy displayed to countrymates. Last evening I witnessed an extraordinary amount of kill stealing and generally bad manners. Twice I saw guys shoot off the tail of an enemy fighter, only to have a horde of Rook teammates rush in and gun the falling wreckage. They literally took turns trying to steal the kill. In both cases the kill was in fact swiped from the guy who deserved it. In addition, at least one guy killshootered himself trying to shoot thru my La-5 to get at my target, then squeaked about it. A bit later, I was covering a Rook in a good 1v1 with a P-51. Finally, he shoots off the Mustang’s wingtip and it falls off into a spin. Before it hot the ground, no less than 4 Rooks made gun runs at the dying P-51. For me the last straw came when a horde of Rooks violated the unwritten courtesy of not interfering with a sustained 1v1 unless asked. I had been engaged by a 190, which made a series of diving attacks on my La-5. Gradually, I broke down his E, finally forcing the 190 into a rolling scissors. My typical method of thwarting a scissors is to pull the nose high and roll inverted, snapshooting as he crosses my path. Unable to force an overshoot, the 190 stalls and snap rolls to the right. As I drop in for the killing shot, 3 or 4 Rooks roar in and explode the helpless and damaged 190, with my La-5 barely 100 yards astern.
With this last act of theft, or at least, discourtesy, I went elsewhere and managed to find several 1v1 fights where there were no kill mongering hordes waiting to pounce on easy kills. I’ve observed this same behavior by several Bishops too. While defending a field in an Osti, I watched a Rook and Bish pilot duke it out just south of the field. In this case, the Rook was flying a P-47 and the Bishop a Bf 109. Finally, the Bish pilot gained the advantage. However, before he could finish off the Jug, two Bish P-51s raced in and clobbered the smoking P-47. Kill mongers, unconcerned that someone else had worked hard for that kill. For the record, I was tickled to kill one of the thieving P-51s when he flew too close to my Ostwind. I'm quite sure this is a common problem in all three countries.
I am increasingly alarmed by the growing rabid “dog pack” mentality, which is why I am spending more and more time in the CT. This seems to be quite common among new players. I have found that the “old hands” rarely impose themselves unwanted, and generally ask if you need help before rolling into a 1v1.
In contrast, I spent some time flying at A83 (pizza map) last night. Here, there was no kill stealing and everyone worked together very well. I did note that everyone there fell under the category of “old hand”.
Maybe it’s just me, but I seem to recall that courtesy was much more common 10-12 months ago than it is today.
My regards,
Widewing
That does not happen in Bishland....we are respectful and courteous of our fellow countrymates. The typical kill in Bishland goes something like this........
Fellow Player: Rude....you got him?
Rude: Rgr...I can pull off if you'de like the kill.
Fellow Player: Oh no...that's alright...you saddled up first.
Rude: Are you sure....I wouldn't mind a bit...there's plenty of whiney rooks and knits to go around.
Fellow Player: Well, if you don't mind.
Rude: Absolutely not...I'll get the next one.
Now ya see....wouldn't ya rather be a Bishop? Style and substance, all the while kickin tail and takin names.
What a country!
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Originally posted by ygsmilo
As long as I can steal Rudes kills its no big deal to me.
That's a boy Milo....you have trained hard and are truly 13th TAS!
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LOL, I shot off the tail of a 234 Sunday, there were at least 10 guys trying to steal the kill as he floated down from 10,000 feet, was amusing to watch as two of them collided with it and died ;)
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I'm honestly not sure if behavior has actually changed much, or if it's just the perception/interpretation of that behavior that has changed.
Before the contest I couldn't shoot a wing off a B17 20K over a friendly base and expect the carcass to hit the ground without at least one teammate ripping into it. No difference from now.
Ask yourself, has the money really tainted "them", or has it tainted you and how you view others?
I also don't think (hope) it's not the money per se (if $50 means that much to someone, they should cancel their account and save the $15/mo), but the fact that now people are actually paying more attention to score - the visibility is higher.
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Originally posted by Widewing
I am increasingly alarmed by the growing rabid “dog pack” mentality, which is why I am spending more and more time in the CT.
You see, now you've been corrupted. You no longer strive to Win the War. Hey, in Real Life it was Rabid Dog Packs. Go to the dueling arena if you want to have good fights. Go to the H2H arena. Just go away and let those folks fight a real war, will ya?
Geez....kids these days....I mean, you'd think they'd be able to see these things, wouldn't you?
- oldman
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Gawd!
What you guys are describing sounds awful!
Almost like a WAR!
eskimo
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Originally posted by ygsmilo
As long as I can steal Rudes kills its no big deal to me.
Doesn't that imply that Rude actually gets close to getting a kill.....Obviously there's a hole in your theory. :p
Cobra
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Originally posted by Strange
Or the stupid SOB's that cross into your fire...
Its just SOB... not SOB's. He'll gladly cross into your fire if he could figure out how to turn his plane. He'll also gladly drop a bomb on you while you are sitting on the runway... especially if you're on his team.
In his defense, his stupidity is due to the fact he lives in Salem. He seemed much more normal when he lived in Portland.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Rude
Fellow Player: Rude....you got him?
Rude: Rgr...I can pull off if you'de like the kill.
Fellow Player: Oh no...that's alright...you saddled up first.
Rude: Are you sure....I wouldn't mind a bit...there's plenty of whiney rooks.... and you know, I would just like to state that....
BAM! BOOM! CRUNCH!
Back to the tower :)
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stinkin tree huggers up there...im sending our Truck loads of cork smokn fruit loops up north as soon as we pave the last of these "forests" down here:)
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Classic...tailless 51' s getting torn apart by the young tigers too young to hunt for them selves...
just think of your self as the Poppa tiger..feedn the cubs....
Let them starve and die..I like the Permanant "No check 6 Call " list....hehhehe
Its not getting worse..we just have more peopl on..and yes only newbees really will "steal " a kill..exceptions are...Fellow Squad mates kills..Hell I tell BiG Guns(BgMAW)..to only remove the aeilrons so i can come down and get the kill:)......
I dont think half of the new guys can tell if a planes missing a wing or not..its just SQUEEZE..SPRAY & Pray!!!..I can understand..thsi game is really tuff for new guys..especaially if no Flying experience..in real life or Simulated......so u see a plane in front of you....your gonn shoot at it..
Love BiGB
xoxoxo
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Widewing - I absolutely agree. I've had many of those same experiences, but if you DO raise your head above the parapet to voice an alternative, it will be shot off very quickly. You will be reminded that "it's my $14.95/month" or berated for expecting other players to play the game "your way", or be tormented by some other autocratic salamander who "doesn't give a damn about YOUR war." Believe me, I've been there and tried. :confused:
In contrast, I spent some time flying at A83 (pizza map) last night. Here, there was no kill stealing and everyone worked together very well. I did note that everyone there fell under the category of “old hand”.
Well yes, and that why the Pizza map is the best IMO, or the least bad at any rate. The small crowded maps simply engender the behaviour of which you speak.
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Simple solution to having your kills stolen: blow the plane up, don't leave it damaged. I do this whenever there are friendlies around that I can't trust (ie. 95% of players) to leave a damaged plane to fall.
If you are in a 1 v 1 and it looks like you're not in immediate trouble I'll ask if you need help. No reply or if the con is firing I'll jump in to kill it.
If there is a conga line chasing a bandit and he ends up in front of my guns, I'm gonna fire regardless of how many think it should be their kill.
If you're furballing and you can't kill the bandit quickly, don't expect me to cry when you complain about someone stealing "your" kill. If it's flying it's a target, period. If it's flopping about wingless I save my ammo and move on.
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I been here about 18 months now. I see nothing diffrent today. Only perceptions have changed since HT threw money into the game. I think I have as many kills stolen as I get. I used to get mad about it but learned to forget it and move on to the next victim.
I have found out thegame is a lot more enjoyable if you squelch ch 1 as soon as you get on :-)
My 2 cents
Cyris :confused:
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Discourteous Kill Mongering on the Rise?
People have been making posts like this since the beginning of sim-time.
"Back in the olden days when I first started flying blah blah blah."
Discourteous Kill Mongering is the basis of all combat flight sims. :)
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AFAIK, I do not steal kills. If I see someone in pursuit 1 v 1 and having a rough time, I will ping with the .303s at every opportunity. On the other hand, if it's MY fight, I'll go with the Hispanos. Got a good one today, in fact, just off 103... a friendly in a p-51 was in a horizontal scissors with a rook Spit, and I just flew straight and slow through the pattern, getting shots at the Spits belly with the 303s at every pass. Not only did I get the assist, the friendly (don't remember who right now, sorry) thanked me for rattling the Rook's cage for him.
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When I used to fly with the MOL, one of our rules (I think only rule) is that we try our hardest to steal as many kills from each other.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Blue Mako
If you are in a 1 v 1 and it looks like you're not in immediate trouble I'll ask if you need help. No reply or if the con is firing I'll jump in to kill it.
If there is a conga line chasing a bandit and he ends up in front of my guns, I'm gonna fire regardless of how many think it should be their kill.
If you're furballing and you can't kill the bandit quickly, don't expect me to cry when you complain about someone stealing "your" kill. If it's flying it's a target, period. If it's flopping about wingless I save my ammo and move on.
My thoughts excactlly ...
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I am for one tired of poeple shooting at a tumbling wreck even after you anounce on vox that he's dead (if they missed the obvious visual part). Don't tell me they are there to "help you" :rolleyes:
I can say nothing else: (and forgive me for being rude)
morons.
PS: This adjective does qualify for squaddies too :p
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If i only damage a plane and i know hes falling to the ground and it will e my kill, if there are friendlies around i announce over the range channel that plane xxx is toast and falling down to die.
I never saw some 1 going after him and try to steal my kill.
But that goes for knights :) We are just more sportsman like :)
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I usually have no concerns about someone stealing "my" kill. It only annoys me a bit when some of my Rook comrades dive for it, as we are usually in dire need of alt to face the habitual Lemming horde.
At the end, I could care less about who the server decides which kill belongs to. The only important thing is that the enemy is dead and buried. And I know who deserve his scalp whatever the server says.
Being positive by nature, when I remove one wing from an enemy and a bunch of Rooks fire the falling remainders like there's no tomorrow, I tend to think I'm increasing my country gunning skills by providing easy targets to the ones so desperately needing. ;)
No, I don't care anyone "stealing" my kills. In fact, If any rook wants, they can do it from me without hesitation. On my side there is absolutely no anger if a fellow Rook wants to blast the falling plane out of the sky. :)
Cheers,
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I am for one tired of poeple shooting at a tumbling wreck even after you anounce on vox that he's dead (if they missed the obvious visual part). Don't tell me they are there to "help you" :rolleyes:
I can say nothing else: (and forgive me for being rude)
morons.
PS: This adjective does qualify for squaddies too :p
I'm innocent ! I swear ! (well ... not always but saw is such a dweeb that I've no remorses :D)
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Originally posted by beet1e
Did you say something? I thought not.
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Originally posted by Blue Mako
Simple solution to having your kills stolen: blow the plane up, don't leave it damaged. I do this whenever there are friendlies around that I can't trust (ie. 95% of players) to leave a damaged plane to fall.
I've only had one person try to steal on of my kills since I've started AH but have seen quite a few do it to others. That's why I also usually keep firing until the enemy plane blows up. If for some reason I can't take the time to blow it up and manage to take off a vital part of the enemy plane, just saying 'plane down' over range channel has kept others from trying to steal my kill. Or it just be that the Knights are just more civil towards each other ;)
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Or it just be that the Knights are just more civil towards each other ;)Ack-Ack
they're afraid you'd take 'em behind the DA for a little "talk."
besides, by the time the baddy falls from 30k, i've probably already killed you and it's up for grabs and you never get the credit anyway!
:p
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Don't let go of the trigger til the bandit explodes.
They can't steal yer kill that way.
:D
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I know I've only been here a few weeks but I've managed to fly for all side now and I can tell you the Bish have been the best I've flown with so far.
I'm not talking about the best pilots but the nicest guys to fly with.
I started as a Knight and those guys were OK some real whiners about not following them around but over all good guys.
Rooks.....well there are SOME Rooks I enjoyed flying with but over all there weren't any group that I could count on. It all seemed to be a free for all.
I've only been flying Bish for a few days now but I've really enjoyed it. Last night we were outnumbered by a lot but there wasn't the "Follow me or we lose" crowd I was expecting. I found a group of guys that worked well together ..gave 6 calls..came to your aid if you needed it but ASKED before jumping into a 1v1 fight.
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Originally posted by Cobra
Doesn't that imply that Rude actually gets close to getting a kill.....Obviously there's a hole in your theory. :p
Cobra
Be nice...it's Christmas:)
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Originally posted by CavemanJ
Don't let go of the trigger til the bandit explodes.
They can't steal yer kill that way.
:D
Well, that sure is one way to protect your kill. However, as a rule, I never stay on an enemy beyond that point where the aircraft is disabled. I immediately break off to avoid anyone trying to get set up on me. Admiring one's work is not a good idea in a sky crowded with enemy. :eek:
My regards,
Widewing
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X2Lee! Get back in that PT boat, where you belong! :p
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Originally posted by Rude
That does not happen in Bishland....we are respectful and courteous of our fellow countrymates. The typical kill in Bishland goes something like this........
Fellow Player: Rude....you got him?
Rude: Rgr...I can pull off if you'de like the kill.
Fellow Player: Oh no...that's alright...you saddled up first.
Rude: Are you sure....I wouldn't mind a bit...there's plenty of whiney rooks and knits to go around.
Fellow Player: Well, if you don't mind.
Rude: Absolutely not...I'll get the next one.
Now ya see....wouldn't ya rather be a Bishop? Style and substance, all the while kickin tail and takin names.
What a country!
LOL Rude. I wish it was that good. At least a couple times a week I'll have a kill taken from me because I didn't do a good enough job to get the baddie to explode on my first pass. Just the other day, a guy shot up a typhoon that I had downed and got the kill. He proceded to say over vox "yeah that's MY kill" (or something like that)
In any case I almost started to consider following my kills down until I was certain that they weren't going to get stolen... but all that does is lower my e so it will probably take longer for me to find my next kill. It's all a trade off.
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I care not for coveting or stealing the kill, I care only for shooting the chute of those that bail.
Thank You and Goodnight.
Cobra
PS--Rude, Christmas, eh? Then when are we getting the KC BBQ together, you Runstang Weenie :)
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Originally posted by CavemanJ
Don't let go of the trigger til the bandit explodes.
They can't steal yer kill that way.
:D
I'm stupid enough to spend a lot of time in a P51B this tour for some reason.
As usual in life.. no one else to blame but yourself, heh.
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Originally posted by Cobra
I care not for coveting or stealing the kill, I care only for shooting the chute of those that bail.
Thank You and Goodnight.
Cobra
PS--Rude, Christmas, eh? Then when are we getting the KC BBQ together, you Runstang Weenie :)
Let me get with Toad and see....this time of year is busy for sure...may have to be after the first of the year. At any rate, I'll post the time and place when confirmed:)
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Well I have been guilty of firing on a burning wreck if aiding a fellow pilot, when I first started. But mainly due to the excitement of the fight "finish them off!!"
I do occasionally get involved in a 1v1, but mainly when my fellow comrad looks to be having trouble. I have never even thought of shooting burning wrecks for more points. Frankly now I am over 200, I do not care for points, I just enjoy killing :D
Perhaps before judging, we should think that some people just wanna help and perhaps teach the newbs about the does and don'ts.
If my fellow bishes were constantly diving on my burning wrecks purely for that kill and perk. I would get annoyed and I am sure people are doing this.
But at the end of the day, its a game with many different people, from all over. We can expect manners, but cannot enforce it.
Mango
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Only time I've stolen a kill is when a knit and bish were fighting over a base of ours (Rooks). One of the planes shot the other down, and as he was floating slowly to the ground, I stole it from the other team. It was a good laugh, especially when the guy who got shot gave me hell for stealing (what he thought) was a player on my teams kill.
These types of kill steals are really hard to find, but far more satisfying.
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Originally posted by TheManx
Only time I've stolen a kill is when a knit and bish were fighting over a base of ours (Rooks). One of the planes shot the other down, and as he was floating slowly to the ground, I stole it from the other team. It was a good laugh, especially when the guy who got shot gave me hell for stealing (what he thought) was a player on my teams kill.
These types of kill steals are really hard to find, but far more satisfying.
That doesn't count because it's really not stealing the kill since they were both the enemy. Whenever I see squeakops and Rookies fighting each other in a 1v1 fight, I do the same thing. Sometimes they can hear my laughter as I dive in but I've learned to laugh not so loud until after I've killed them both.
Ack-Ack
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Bishops even stealing field captures from each other. This poor goon had been orbiting near 30 minutes while they tried kill my ostwind. C47 finally gets to drop, then a M3 that had just popped up runs in and steals the field capture - hehe filmed the score hungry guy -- so caught somebody with their hand in the proverbial cookie jar.:)
I not watched it yet so I don't know who it was, but i guess film will show.
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So..flying for the Bishops is like watching the 2 chipmonk guys on the old bugs bunny cartoons? "After you! Oh no..I wouldnt THINK of it..YOU go first..." OH DEAR no..I just COULDnt.....YOU kill him.....
"Lets both kill him at once!"
I see LOTS of that shoot-at-the-flaming-wreckage crap..as I fly 17 groups a lot..and always to nmy bases..as opposed to the factory milk-runs the score-potatos are forced to do to keep buff-rank high....consequently..get shot DOWN lots too..after 3 passes at 20k..often have 3-4 of em on ya..lose 1 drone after another...last plane tumblin outta sky..on fire....1 wing..no turrets..all engines dead.... lost count of how many times ive seen buncha spits and nikis shootin at me all the way to ground..NONE of whom were the guy that actually did the fatal damage. (As im a rook..that would mean either..ahem...Bish or Nits were doin that)
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Originally posted by Turbot
Bishops even stealing field captures from each other. This poor goon had been orbiting near 30 minutes while they tried kill my ostwind. C47 finally gets to drop, then a M3 that had just popped up runs in and steals the field capture - hehe filmed the score hungry guy -- so caught somebody with their hand in the proverbial cookie jar.:)
I not watched it yet so I don't know who it was, but i guess film will show.
Damn film doesnt show the troops... but that m3 actually raced up and drove into the middle of the troop stream (they were spread out a bit - I think he thought he could actually block the othre guys troops), stops and quickly opens his door at map room so his first few would be the final capture troops.
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It's kinda fun watchin you guys get so worked up about the Bishops....had no idea we had this POWER over you:)
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Fly a lower performance plane and you find your courtesy envelope greatly expanded. The only way I can survive and have a decent time is with lots of six calls, and lots of help when someone is crawling all over me. That means I make it a point not to pee on my fellow countrymen.
The description of the problem just seems weird to me. Last week I damaged at least 3 aircraft and pulled away, only to have another pilot finish them off - yet I got the kills. Actually felt sorry for the guy.
It seems that - at least in Bishland - there is a certain group of pilots that operate in a way I like. There are 6 calls, there is courtesy regarding 1V1 situations, SA is shared etc. When I find those guys flying together, I hang out there.
Sometimes I will be up over an area and the pilots are flying with all of the bad behaviour already described previously. I just leave that area, ply my trade elsewhere.
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If there really is 6 calls and courtesy in bish land, I'm switching today. I thought that killstealing no check 6 thing is rampant for all countries. I feel responsible for my own 6 so I really don't get to worked up about that. It is probably a problem on all 3 sides but my pet peeve is as follows: I'm saddled up on a guy, and a guy on my own team cuts in front(as a result of me being slower via ACM to get saddled up in the first place) and I pull the trigger at the same time. I've had friendlies fly through my plane, while I was shooting, as I ran down a bad guy. Naturally, I die as result of killshooting. Someone may be able to explain to me that this is my fault...until then it is just plain infuriating.
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I was flying a couple of nights ago and all had been going well when after a great sortie I was coming in for a landing and there were 2 guys taking off in front of me.
I began my normal landing procedures but was getting a little worried because my landing gear wasn't coming down. I checked to see if they were damaged and saw that they weren't and just happened to look up and saw the 2 guys taking off flying like they had cons right on them.
Well I kept trying to get my gear down when I noticed I was hitting the "Check 6" button on my throttle instead of my gear. I quickly apologized to the guys and admitted to my stupidity. Their only response was "LOL" and "Whew! I thought I was dead because I couldn't find the guy to evade".
So I guess the moral of my story is Bish are nice enough guys that they will overlook stupidity. (Yes I know I have a lot for them to overlook) AND there are a lot of "Check 6" calls made. (sometimes more than needed )
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Originally posted by Rude
It's kinda fun watchin you guys get so worked up about the Bishops....had no idea we had this POWER over you:)
You seem to uderestimate the power of sheer numbers... ;)
LEMMING POWA!!! :D
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MA = feeding frenzy, pure and simple.
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Ok here are my 2 cents worth:
I try my best to ask someone if they need help with a baddie that they are dogging with. If they respond as yes they get the help. If they dont respond then most of the time I will head in there and help knowing full well that guys dont always use vox or cant type while engaged. If they say no I have them....I then hang for a bit but leave them alone.
I dont fault guys for going in on planes that are not fully dead. What I mean is that if you hit a guy and hes still flying he's fair game. If hes not spitting parts out or falling uncontrollably he's a fair target.
I do however get very pissed off when I am dogfighting a guy and someone rolls infront and I get killshootered. I have noticed that over the past week this has increased tremendously.
Its a game and some people will play by a certain "code" and others will not. I myself try to fly politely and ask. With that being said if its a massive furball then you gotta watch out for everyone including the good guys because they become bad guys when killshooter comes into effect.
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I can't say I have every 'stolen' a kill but there have been many times I have teamed up to gang up on an aircraft. If I see two a/c interlocked in combat I will often fly above then and see who is winning, and will dive down to help out if I think one of my squaddies or teammates are in trouble. I suppose I might have jumped the gun one or two times but I guess who hasn't.
I know I have had a couple probably stolen from me, generally in big furballs when someone dives in while I am on the six of a fleeing aircraft. It is irritating but what are you going to do?
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If I see someone in a 1 v1 and it's not totally obvious that they're beating the guy up I'll dive in and help. First off not everyone, or even the majority of flyers use VOX and if you are in a 1v1 the odds are even if I asked if they needed help they probably are too busy to answer. Not to menthion that the longer a 1v1 goes the odds are more bad guys will come and screw up the guy's day. Never has anyone complained, usualy all I get is a "thanks!". This notion that one shouldn't trod into a 1v1 in the MA since it's just "bad form" is just horseh*t.
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