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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: brady on December 10, 2002, 10:30:28 PM
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After learning of Cheating going on for the rank thing I have decided that after busting my baalls to get in the top 5 that I am not going to stup to this leval of game play and will no longer play for rank in the MA, in fact I will most likely only play in the CT from this point on.
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lol brady i decided to quit probebly the 2nd day, the tour started.
Welcome to the withdrawl! :D
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Originally posted by brady
After learning of Cheating going on for the rank thing....
Cheating like hacks or cheating in the sense of gaming the game and exploiting certain 'weaknesses' of the game?
I have heard of a certain player that flies for the Bishops that's ranked in the Top 5 that takes advantage of certain loop holes to gain rank.
But look on the bright side of things. If someone is caught actually cheating they could possibly be prosecuted for fraud. Since money is now being given away and someone cheats in order to win that money, it can be considered fraud.
Wonder if it's possible if the same thing applies to the guy that sits parked in a P-47 inside of a friendly hanger firing at the walls to increase his hit percentage to gain better rank? While it's not cheating in the sense of using a hack but rather taking advantage in ranking loop holes to gain better rank. Which is the same thing as cheating.
ack-ack
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I changed my play style earlier in the tour (and learned some exploits) and made to 8th place. Continued the vulch/tricks for a bit and held it easily, got extremely bored with AH in the process.
I'm gonna let it go too, it was seriously killing the fun.
Now that I'm liberated, think I'm gonna go fly some p40b sorties and up from some capped bases ;).
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I'm stubborn.... I'm in it for the rank till the end of this tour. So far I'm number 6 and I don't *think* I've involved myself in any super 'gamey' tactics. Haven't been playing a whole lot though.
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The only place where rank means anything is in the H2H (Dueling) ladder...
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The only stat I care about is K/D, and I don't care too much about that eighter. Rank? ... what rank?
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But.....but.......but....... You mean rank, score and stats are not significant???? :confused:
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! :D
........I quit... :D
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With my rank rarely dropping below 4-figure numbers, I am completely free! :D
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Even h2h rank maybe cheated. Call a friend and get em to die for you a few times then next month do the reverse for your friend.
But the MA rank isn't all about killing and being killed, a good bomber/goon rank rank still takes some skill to get.
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I still wonder what all this fuss is about a 100 bucks... I mean... I usualy manage to spend that in less than a minute :confused:
Anyway, never cared about it, never will (that is, untill they add at least 2 digits to that)
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Originally posted by niknah
Even h2h rank maybe cheated. Call a friend and get em to die for you a few times then next month do the reverse for your friend.
But the MA rank isn't all about killing and being killed, a good bomber/goon rank rank still takes some skill to get.
niknah wo bleibste?
This could be a really huge problem. Tell ur friend to change sides and die for u a lot so all ur K/Ds went up. I hope HTC has something top prevent this.
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Originally posted by Duedel
niknah wo bleibste?
I think that was "airwaves" who was playing under my account in your squad. But it was fun listening to the all the german in the squad channel, made me feel like I was in another country. :)
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make yer own 2nd account & vulch yerself repeatedly----
or get a freakin LIFE!!!!
Anton
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Squadie of mine was driving a GV into an enemy base and observed a dude in a Hurri I (he thinks) pinging these Lancs lightly and watching them auger. This was repeated many times before he got to the base and started wasting stuff. They/he left.
This was BEFORE the contest was announced!
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I make $100 in about 4 hours of work.
Add to that that Flossy is prolly better than me.
And you get a guy who just tries not to lawn dart every time he takes off.
In it for the fun, not the score.
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Got The Feeling You Could Probably Make More Money Picking Up Aluminium Cans Than Picking Off Planes.
Just A Thought :D
By The Way Whats This Score Thing Everyone Talks About ?
Is That What Shows Me How Much I Suck At This Game ?
:rolleyes:
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I tend to play for rank about every second tour. That leaves a tour between to focus on practicing and trying new planes & tactics. Best of both worlds, I think. Ironically, whether I'm attempting to rank well doesn't seem to have much of an effect on my rank. In fact, my best rank so far was when I wasn't even trying.
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I don't remember December traditionally being the month for the lamest threads of the year... but this month is sure winning out.
AKDejaVu
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Ever since I was a small lad, all I ever wanted to be when I grew up was a scorepotato.
Unfortunately, I've yet to grow up.
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Originally posted by Lizard3
Squadie of mine was driving a GV into an enemy base and observed a dude in a Hurri I (he thinks) pinging these Lancs lightly and watching them auger. This was repeated many times before he got to the base and started wasting stuff. They/he left.
This was BEFORE the contest was announced!
Sequential killing of the same person in X amount of time should be worth less and less. As it stands now, due to kill/time, etc., the game rewards and encourages such things. It is of considerably more score value to vulch a Lanc formation on the runway than kill 3 fighters in actual air to air combat.
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Currently I am ranked 1257th in MA with a total time of 1:51:59
Go figure
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OK folks I have read about this hitting your own hangers and increasing your points so many times, so I have spent the time to test it and hitting your own hangers did not increase any points in any catagory. I printed out all of my score page before then went to a rear base got a p38 as that was what was supposed to have been used parked it in front of a hanger where the bullets and cannons would hit the hanger and fired away. When it was empty I parked on runway exited it and up another and another, did this for an hour. Guess what my rank went up not down as all of the sorties counted against the K/s percentage and I could tell no difference in the hit percentage, my score page showed the same thing in that catagory as before the test.
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Originally posted by aac
OK folks I have read about this hitting your own hangers and increasing your points so many times, so I have spent the time to test it and hitting your own hangers did not increase any points in any catagory. I printed out all of my score page before then went to a rear base got a p38 as that was what was supposed to have been used parked it in front of a hanger where the bullets and cannons would hit the hanger and fired away. When it was empty I parked on runway exited it and up another and another, did this for an hour. Guess what my rank went up not down as all of the sorties counted against the K/s percentage and I could tell no difference in the hit percentage, my score page showed the same thing in that catagory as before the test.
I did a more scientific test. Since I never flew CT, I had a clean slate in there. I upped P-38 in Hangar applied left brake advanced right throttle a hair to aim at wall - emptied guns of p38 into same. Check my score in a bit (will take a bit to post I assume).
Click Here To See That CT Score (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/105score/105score.pl?gameid=Turbot&tour=svsl2.hitechcreations.com:0:CtTour10)
(This is not the variety of cheating bradys is upset about BTW. )
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Originally posted by Turbot
Click Here To See That CT Score (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/105score/105score.pl?gameid=Turbot&tour=svsl2.hitechcreations.com:0:CtTour10)
Blah...you are only 2nd... :D
Cheers,
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I had a clean slate in the MA, so I put a P47 in front of a hangar after selecting "ATTACK". I shot the entire load of MG's, and scored 82%?!
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Originally posted by Creamo
I had a clean slate in the MA, so I put a P47 in front of a hangar after selecting "ATTACK". I shot the entire load of MG's, and scored 82%?!
maybe you dropped a packet or 5?
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Originally posted by Creamo
I had a clean slate in the MA, so I put a P47 in front of a hangar after selecting "ATTACK". I shot the entire load of MG's, and scored 82%?!
Sounds like a bad connection (or some have suggested bad frame rate) not all your bullets are registering.
Sad thing is, even that 82% is only worth a rank of 13 in that category :)
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well your test certainly shows hit percentage, wonder why mine was not effected? and this was shown on enmy too maybe my connection is just bad and not all bullets are showing up or I might not have selected attack like you did, at any rate if I have to resort to this I may as well quit the game, just my opinion
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Originally posted by Pepe
Blah...you are only 2nd... :D
Cheers,
True, it would appear someone did something even more gamey than this.
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Funny you should mention connection. Every once in awhile my DSL slows WAY down. Today is one of those days. Only in spurts, but my old roommate has the same service and is a server geek. After tracing the times when his went slow, he claims a company had hacked into his bandwidth, caught them via a trace or something redhanded. I'll look into that.
Anyway, if SOB never sends me a file for my new TM stuff which btw is like wrestling a gorilla compared to the Saitek, I will the the champion hangar killer. (Or not actually)
You guys can "bust your balls" all you want on your score, but this is a great gameplay addition and once worked out a pretty decent jesture on HTC's part to give alittle back to good players. Or a tremendous beta testing scam, cuz damn if the motivated score dorks ain't saving them alot of time! ( and that's pretty sweet )
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Originally posted by Creamo
Or a tremendous beta testing scam, cuz damn if the motivated score dorks ain't saving them alot of time! ( and that's pretty sweet )
This was my thought as well. If the original intention or not, it is a great opportunity for them. I am sure the logs they have generated already shed light on much (wouldn't mind seeing them myself :) )
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Originally posted by Creamo
I had a clean slate in the MA, so I put a P47 in front of a hangar after selecting "ATTACK". I shot the entire load of MG's, and scored 82%?!
And I thought my gunnery sucked!
:eek:
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Agreed. I simply could not believe stuff people knew, and ironically didn't rant about until now.
I would always log in and go find a fight. How anyone would concider to shoot a friendly hangar is beyond me. Funny how the best developers/bug finders can be had for $50 a tour.
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Malleus are you hiring? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Turbot
True, it would appear someone did something even more gamey than this.
And this was done in CT, no wonder MA behaviours!
These guys looking for score are the most ridiculous caracters in AH, IMHO. Better yet, they would be ridiculous if the score system were fair and sound. But actual behaviour of score system and easyness of cheating make score potatos and rank seekers as pathetic as they can be.
I do not critizice flying styles. Even when I talk about lemmings is more a taunt than a critic. But these guys thinking score and rank mean anything really crack me up. :D
Of course, it's just my opinion :)
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Withdrawl is not an effective means of birth control.
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Originally posted by Elysian
Now that I'm liberated, think I'm gonna go fly some p40b sorties and up from some capped bases ;).
Now someone is speaking my language... That is my only use for the MA :)
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Originally posted by aac
OK folks I have read about this hitting your own hangers and increasing your points so many times, so I have spent the time to test it and hitting your own hangers did not increase any points in any catagory. I printed out all of my score page before then went to a rear base got a p38 as that was what was supposed to have been used parked it in front of a hanger where the bullets and cannons would hit the hanger and fired away. When it was empty I parked on runway exited it and up another and another, did this for an hour. Guess what my rank went up not down as all of the sorties counted against the K/s percentage and I could tell no difference in the hit percentage, my score page showed the same thing in that catagory as before the test.
To bad you did the test incorrectly. It works in Attack mode, don't know if it will work in Fighter mode. While it's not a cheat in the hack sort of way, you are exploiting a weak link in the ranking system to achieve a higher rank and that's just as good as using a cheat hack to accomplish the same thing IMO.
Ack-Ack
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Was fixed last week for 1.11 release.
HiTech
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So all ya sco-ho's better saddle up next to your favorite hangar and Pump < clap > you up!
Last chance to game this stat!!!
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Cool It Was Fixed Last Week For 1.11, That Means We Only Have 1 Week Left For Release.
(Sorry Had To Do It)
Not Flying Pizza Map So I'm Bored :rolleyes:
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that'll teach ya HTC!!!
trying to spice it up alittle, make it fun, make a contest of sorts for those interested & give away some of YOUR money.
to those whining about it like the silly little girls you must be:
who cares about your score or mine or the contest - quit your squeaking please!
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I don't get it.....does this mean Brady is withdrawing from some sort of hygeine-deficient contest and will now finally take a shower?
Cobra
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Hold on let me get this straight,,,,,
in order to UP my hit% i sit inside a friendly hanger in a p47 and shoot the walls??????????
In order to get in the top 15 we will HAVE to employ this and other 'cheats/loopholes/gaming the game tactics?
this is the worst news ive had in ages.Whats happening to AH? is it filling up with quake heads or what?
am i alone in wanting a SIMULATION OF WARFARE?? a more serious game?
I have to say it this is the reason im paying money to play AH. Not to go around shooting planes down in a arcade type enviroment.If i wanted a stupid unrealistic WW2 game id play iL2 :D 'snork'
ok if i wanted silly enviroments id play battlefield 1942 or day of defeat or other unrealistic types. They are free because no one would pay to play them.If AH doesnt keep its more serious element , its simulation element I dont think ill continue to pay to be honest.I really hope HTC addresses this 'gaming the game' behaviour as soon as possible.The fact HT asked about the suicide element makes me really happy.The sooner those idiots who play AH like a shoot em up leave in frustration the better it will be for us .Good luck HTC in sorting it out
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I never even remotly try to amke it in the top 100.
I know very little pilots who can constantly shoot me down in a duel, certainly not all 300 ahead of me scorewise. So I never really paid attention to the score thingy.
Except all the loops and tricks enonciated above, I think that HTC put this money reward thing to encourage people to fly move diversely ... bombers/GVs/Attacks ... but maybe they were unaware of the "conspiracy inside their own casttle"
... or maybe ... they wanted to expose them all by observing the behavior of the top 10s :D :cool: :D You guys are going down!your head will be thrown to squiddie!!!
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I agree Frenchy... much to my amazement :)
jk
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Originally posted by hazed-
am i alone in wanting a SIMULATION OF WARFARE?? a more serious game?
I have to say it this is the reason im paying money to play AH. Not to go around shooting planes down in a arcade type enviroment.If i wanted a stupid unrealistic WW2 game id play iL2 :D 'snork'
You are apparently flying a different Main Arena than I am.... is it an exclusive members only arena?
-SW
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It is possible to make it in the top 10 without doing 'gamey' stuff... I'm in the top 10 right now.
I haven't shot a friendly building yet, have yet to drop just one bomb on a target to improve hit %... what else is there?
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Urchin most of them are just trying to find a reason to call those who fly for rank cheaters.
What brady is referring to in his post is something totally different then what most folks are implicating here.
I explained in detail in several threads how the score system works. The best way to get a high rank is just to kill stuff, kill it fast and dont die.
Wasting your time worried about your hit % may in the short term bump your rank a bit but it detracts in other areas. The attack rank is made up of 10 seperate sub categories. Spawning and shooting your own hanger will increase you hit % while in attack mode. However your rank in kills per sortie and kills per time online will drop. These 2 sub-categories are the most competitive. Any small movement up/down will greatly effect your overall rank far beyond what benefit you get in the hit % category.
You will do better to maintain a high hit % by killing structures with bombs for attack mode. Wasting your time spraying your own structures will never get you into the top 15.
This has been explained numerous times.
Again this is very different then what brady is talking about.
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Originally posted by hitech
Was fixed last week for 1.11 release.
HiTech
Another thing you may want to look at is.. By hitting the friendly hanger he got 100% in hit percentage "vs. enemy" and nothing in "vs. objects"
I think most people in top 30 will get a chance if HT doesn't let people win multiple times like they say, because some people ranked top 15 will still be ranked top 15 next month & months after.
You gotta admire fariz, getting rank 1 in everything during a very competitve month like this and it doesn't look like he's vulched any PT boats yet!!
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I still think somethin wrong when someone flies 6-7 carefully orchestrated buff-milkruns..in reality accomplish nothing except making the point system happy..and get a top 5 buff rank
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Originally posted by hitech
Was fixed last week for 1.11 release.
HiTech
Somewhere in some trailer park, Voss is crying.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Wotan
Urchin most of them are just trying to find a reason to call those who fly for rank cheaters.
What brady is referring to in his post is something totally different then what most folks are implicating here.
I don't think the majority that try to fly for better ranks are cheaters but I do think that there are some that take advantages of certain things in the scoring system to achieve better rank. Those that do that are cheating and are no better then some twit that uses a speed hack or any other type of cheating hack.
A guy that sits in his own hanger and shoots at the walls to improve hit percentage which would help in increasing his rank is a cheater and should be treated as such. Anyone caught doing this should automatically be disqualified for any awards given for high ranking.
Ack-Ack
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Brady, there are several bishops in top 5 who play for ranks this tour. I am one of them. If you saying something like that, you are better call name, and be more detailed, or you are accusing several people at once.
And no, I am not shooting friendly hangars.
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Originally posted by Fariz
Brady, there are several bishops in top 5 who play for ranks this tour. I am one of them. If you saying something like that, you are better call name, and be more detailed, or you are accusing several people at once.
And no, I am not shooting friendly hangars.
Can't believe you need further explanation. He is not acusing anyone, but stating a general situation. Crystal clear, I would add.
Let alone the meaning of "Rank" :D
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again people who think their rank will improve by strafing their ownn hangers dont understand the complexity of the rank system.
A lo end guy strafing his own hanger m ay move up from 1000 to 400 but he never get his rank up high enough to make any difference in this contest. Folks who keep throwing about "rank = cheater or dweeb" or they have a greater potential to "cheat or be dweebs" have no clue about what it takes to get their rank up.
First they claim rank players run alot. Well you cant get rank unless you kill stuff and kill it fast
Well then they say all ranked players are vulchers, but the next time you are at a vulch kick your film on then go to the film viewer and count the number of lower ranked players vulching.
Then they say well rank players milkrun. The next time you see a strat obj being milkrun go there do the film thing and check the ranks of those milkrunning.
Point to a post of comment from a ranked player that goes around saying that his rank means hes better or more skilled then anyone else. These are things you here from other folks as if they suffer from some inferiority complex. So to compensate they go about throwing accusations with no understanding of how things work.
You up a fighter and go bomb down a fh or strafe it down and you can get the same hit % from strafing your own plus the points for destroying it.
Rank players have very little impact of what goes on in the main. Its the 50 man base rape / auger mission folk and the runners that make the main less fun.
It doesnt matter to me either way. Fly how ya want , believe what you want and hold on to what ever gets you through.
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wrong pepe brady is referring to something very specific and it in no way relates to Fariz.....
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If brady really believes someone is cheating why doesn't he just say who it is and what they are doing ?
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because somethings are not for public consumption and it most certainly wasnt cheating as it relates to ah gameplay.
Cheating implies hacking and all the that other crap.
There was no "cheating".
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Yeah why are all these so and so is gaming the game posts so cryptic! I wanna hear some good juicy stuff so out with it already! Some things are for public consumption and don't go trying to blame it on swamp gas or drunken truckers.
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Look what brady got pissed was something that others may or may not view as objectionable. But to brady, a guy who only flies for rank, this pissed him off.
Look at the replies of folks who think that every ranked guy or atleast some spend all their time straffing their own hangers for rank. Or kill stealing etc..... This subject been brought up in numerous threads. To go into detail would just create more dis-harmony over a rather trival issue.
Its not about killstealing, vulching, hanger strafing, duel account kills or anby of the other nonsense folks have attributed to this "contest".
Folks will no doudt continue to speculate and make accusations but they already are doing that anyway.
It would better for all of us to let this thread die.
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BRADY
After learning of Cheating going on for the rank thing I have decided that after busting my baalls to get in the top 5 that I am not going to stup to this leval of game play and will no longer play for rank in the MA, in fact I will most likely only play in the CT from this point on.
Originally posted by Wotan
wrong pepe brady is referring to something very specific and it in no way relates to Fariz.....
I fail to see it as an specific issue, since "Cheating going on for the rank" involves, as you say, a lot of dweeby (or simply stupid) behaviours. At least, this is my take with brady's post. I may be wrong, tho.
What I do agree is that his post in no way relates to Fariz, thus Fariz should not feel offended, given he is not liable to this kind of behaviour..
Cheers,
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anything that gets the top 15 pilots shooting at the inside walls of their hangar instead of me ain't all bad :)
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Originally posted by Wotan
Wasting your time worried about your hit % may in the short term bump your rank a bit but it detracts in other areas. The attack rank is made up of 10 seperate sub categories. Spawning and shooting your own hanger will increase you hit % while in attack mode. However your rank in kills per sortie and kills per time online will drop. These 2 sub-categories are the most competitive. Any small movement up/down will greatly effect your overall rank far beyond what benefit you get in the hit % category.
I was wondering yesterday how or why this would be an advantage - and then I thought of a loophole. You could do this dweeby thing, then rearm and go fly "normally" but already - even if you miss with 100% of bullets on next plane - you can do no worse than hit percentage 50% for that sortie. Now you are talking a serious loophole rather than an score oddity.
Anyway hitech has fixed it, so dweebs of such character will be deprived of this (and I have to think other) dubious means to their ends.
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Originally posted by Eagler
anything that gets the top 15 pilots shooting at the inside walls of their hangar instead of me ain't all bad :)
lol every cloud eh eagler? :)
you're one of the 'my glass is half full' guys aint ya :D m8