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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MANDOBLE on December 11, 2002, 06:25:41 PM
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The first time a pilot log in a tour, the program ask him "Do you want to be ranked this tour? (YES/NO/NOT SURE)". If the player answers "NO", he will not participate in the ranks for that tour, and he will not be shown in any part of the score pages nor affect the rank/scores of his squad. If the player answers "YES", the program ask him "For what country?". So, that pilot will accumulate points, kills, deaths, etc, along that tour only while flying for the choosen team. If the player answer "NOT SURE", the program keeps asking him the same question every time he logs in the arena until he decides YES or NO, but meanwhile, he is not ranked.
This way, the scores and ranks for the squads will be based only on the members that decided to participate in the ranks for the present tour.
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i like it:)
ramzey
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I concur!!
:)
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Why?
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Why?
1 - There are a lot of people not interested at all about scoring. And, of course, not interested into interfering with other's score nor their own squad score. So, why to force them to be tracked into the scoring system?
2 - For those interested into scoring, at least, no more side switching looking for an advantage environment, you choose a country, and you will score only while flying for that country along that tour.
3 - Why not?
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MANDOBLE,
I think the point you make is pretty significant! If people want rank that won't be able to switch sides to gain the gangbang advantage? That's awesome. I hope HTC reads this, it's usually the simple ideas which work the best, thanks!
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So Mandoble, are you saying that if you choose "No" to not be scored that tour, will this mean that kills on you by people who choose "yes" to participate will still get points for killing you that will be reflected in their rank?
I think that if you choose to not participate in it (by selecting "no"), then any one who does decide to participate in it shouldn't get any more points or the ability to get a better rank by killing you... and vice versa (their rank/score shouldn't be hurt by you killing them).
-SW
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What if the new version makes people even out the numbers by having to fly for a different country then their squad is on, this means that even though you chose yes then any score you might make would not count towards the squads score
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sounds good to me...appeases everyone and it should be easy to code...
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
So Mandoble, are you saying that if you choose "No" to not be scored that tour, will this mean that kills on you by people who choose "yes" to participate will still get points for killing you that will be reflected in their rank?
I think that if you choose to not participate in it (by selecting "no"), then any one who does decide to participate in it shouldn't get any more points or the ability to get a better rank by killing you... and vice versa (their rank/score shouldn't be hurt by you killing them).
-SW
I like Mandoble's idea works for me I hate scoring in general.
AKSWulfe as for the people who decide to go with the scoring it should remain the same scores for kills and penalties for getting killed.
Splitting that up would probably be not very easy to calculate in one hand and second it would probably start up a Bounty Hunt between score keepers.
If you decide to keep the scoring system it will only help you to keep the ability to get scores from killing non score keepers (does that make sence?)
Most people that would not keep it most likely haven't got a chance in hell of reaching the top 100 anyway.
Which ever way it goes I wouldnt mind myself to be excluded from the ranking system, All it does for me is tell me how much I suck at this game.
I think in the past I have done better never hitting that score button to see how good or bad I did.
Leave the personal stats for players to check on their own numbers but if you decide to not participate then it could be left out of the main stat page.
Oh Well i'll read that 20 times and probably still not understand what I just typed LOL
:confused:
JustJim
<< DragonHawks >>
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Oh Well I'll Read That 20 Times And Probably Still Not Understand What I Just Typed LOL
Try Not Capitalizing Every Word In Your Post. It Makes It Much Harder To Read.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I think that if you choose to not participate in it (by selecting "no"), then any one who does decide to participate in it shouldn't get any more points or the ability to get a better rank by killing you... and vice versa (their rank/score shouldn't be hurt by you killing them).
-SW
Not, of course, if you are not ranked, but you are killed by or kill a ranked pilot, that kill/death is going to be computed into his score, but not into yours because you have no scoring at all. For scoring purpose, you are a "dangerous drone".
aac, that is correct, your score will affect your squad score only while flying for the choosen country.
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Heck, I like this! Sounds simple enough too, I'd not even care if ranked pilots got points for killing unranked targets.
-Amboss
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So Mandoble, are you saying that if you choose "No" to not be scored that tour, will this mean that kills on you by people who choose "yes" to participate will still get points for killing you that will be reflected in their rank?
I think that if you choose to not participate in it (by selecting "no"), then any one who does decide to participate in it shouldn't get any more points or the ability to get a better rank by killing you... and vice versa (their rank/score shouldn't be hurt by you killing them).
-SW
Exactly!
In the case where the plp that choose not to be ranked but still count for kills of plp that do want to be ranked, what prevents these 'no rankers' to function as pure drones (read easy targets) for squad members? This to enhance the squad score! Or the score of the people they like?
At least at the moment the fact that they influence squad ranking and own ranking prevents some of em to do that.
The other thing is that the 'no rankers' effect the overall score anyway. If you shoot down a 'ranker' it will not only effect your score but also the score of the 'ranker' enemy you shot down. If you shoot down a 'no ranker' it will only effect your score. To get the highest rank in the shortest time (online hours) you want to shoot down only the 'rankers' and not the 'no-rankers'. But can you distinguish in flight who is who, in order to not waist your time?
You could say, well why not make em not even count as a kill then. But that will take up K/T from players who waist their time chasing em, fighting em and killing em only to find out they don't get any points for that kill.
Hence I say, lets leave it like it is.
;)
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Great idea! HTC should seriously consider this!
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folks who fly for rank fly to live
the suicide dweebs dont
folks who fly for rank fly to fight
those who dont fly for rank fly for k/d which means lotsa of running and timid fighting.
We dont need more suicide dweebs
We dont need more late uber bird runners.
I have np with "rank" flyers. Its the "we must win the war dweebs" that have made ah considerably less fun.
You see the "rank dweebs" participating in the 50 man undefended base rape/auger missions because it doesnt help them.
Folks who say "I fly for fun" think they are in some exclusive group. Most of the guys who end up with the higher ranks have fun to. They have fun surviving their sorties and landing lotsa kills. Most are part of squad and fly together and have lotsa fun.
I would fly in a main with more folks working for rank then a reset.
Landing Grabbing leads to more dweebery then anything else in ah.
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Sounds good to me mandoble!
How about 2 different arenas:
1. scorearena
2. suicidearena
OR
CT = scorearena and MA = scoring disabled. :D
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Originally posted by Apar
Exactly!
But can you distinguish in flight who is who, in order to not waist your time?
If that's the problem, easy solution...different icon colour -> Green: friend Red: Rank enemy Orange: Unrank enemy.
Anyway, I don't see much of a problem if the Ranked killer don't know wether his opponent is ranked or not.
If I think on it, my feeling is that the one useful information would be the % of ranked pilots in each country. Kinda self deffense for overnumbered countries....imagine what would be this Arena if Rookland (accounting for the current situation) has a 10% of "ranked" players....
At the very end, I dislike the whole "rank" idea. Serves for nothing but ego-impaired players with strange fantasies about the meaning of Rank, and promotes bad behaviour, as it's easy seen in the arena. I think the whole rank idea is the one to be dropped.
Cheers,
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I thought it could be as simple as not counting the scores of those who don't want to be ranked and taking them off the ranking list (i.e. they don't appear in the score lists and have a permanent "0" as rank or something).
I guess it's a little more difficult than that. I see the possible problems and loopholes that could stem from mixing ranged and non ranked people.
However, what about having a ranked and an unranked MA? That would solve those problems about mixing the two preferences and it would solve some other issues like arena overcrowding and maybe a chance at having different map rotations for the MA ruleset.
-Amboss
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If that's the problem, easy solution...different icon colour -> Green: friend Red: Rank enemy Orange: Unrank enemy.
Anyway, I don't see much of a problem if the Ranked killer don't know wether his opponent is ranked or not.
My point is that even 'no-rankers' effect the score system (as explained in the post above) but by killing them giving you less results then killing a 'ranker'.
Now knowing that, would you waist your time as a 'ranker' on a 'no-ranker' pilot if you could distingiush between 'ranker' and 'no-ranker' enemy??
I wouldn't, :) And I think allot of others wouldn't either. Must be allot of fun flying as a 'no-ranker' in the MA where nobody wants to attack you (at least no 'ranker' pilot).
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I wouldn't, :)
Ooops, shouldn't have said that, now everybody things I do fly for score, :D
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Originally posted by Wotan
folks who fly for rank fly to live
the suicide dweebs dont
folks who fly for rank fly to fight
I know more than one "suicide dweeb" that fights mostly in outnumbered conditions in the less defended areas of the map trying to stop the hordes, while others "fliers for rank" just keep almost loitering over the runaways of deacked enemy fields trying to vulch even the sheeps.
One thing is clear, you are or not concerned by the rank. If you are, you are going to play for it, whatever that implies, if you aren't you always can choose to act like a suicide spawner in a vulched runaway or just like a player that, at least, defends his country where he is necessary, even in suicide situations.
And dont forget that the final target in AH is just to conquer territory while not loosing yours, not just to keep aiming at a GV spawn point with your panzer and keep killing newbies for hours or keep vulching the same zeke zillions of times and then fleeing like the hell when hi cons came to defend the base.
Apar, if you kill a noranked pilot, you earn the kill and the points, cant see the problem with enganging them. BTW, actually we have tons of targets that are far away from the top 200 pilots, so, what you would want is to see the rank of the player in the icon and dont loosing time killing a pilot ranked 1500 while you are into the top 100.
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it would be nice to have a no rank option
but please not a no stat !
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If people had the option of not being ranked, rank woudl only be a measure of who's a better score potato because only people who care about their stats would be ranked. This would likely make the score system even less of an indication of skill, where now it can be used as a rough guide.
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Originally posted by AtmkRstr
where now it can be used as a rough guide.
No it can't
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Apar, if you kill a noranked pilot, you earn the kill and the points, cant see the problem with enganging them. BTW, actually we have tons of targets that are far away from the top 200 pilots, so, what you would want is to see the rank of the player in the icon and dont loosing time killing a pilot ranked 1500 while you are into the top 100.
Mandoble,
Your rank is not only achieved by you own score results but also by that of others. So if you shoot down a 'ranking' pilot it has a positive effect on your score and a negative effect on his. This effects his rank and yours (also yours relative to his)
If you shoot down a 'no-ranking' pilot, it only effects your score.
Hence 'no-ranking' pilots indirectly have an effect on the ranking system.
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Originally posted by Apar
Mandoble,
Your rank is not only achieved by you own score results but also by that of others. So if you shoot down a 'ranking' pilot it has a positive effect on your score and a negative effect on his. This effects his rank and yours (also yours relative to his)
If you shoot down a 'no-ranking' pilot, it only effects your score.
Hence 'no-ranking' pilots indirectly have an effect on the ranking system.
Then, actually you can call "no-ranking" pilots to all those that are 100 positions below yours, killing them will have no effect at all about the difference between their rank possition and yours. Obviously, when you engange a target you are not worried about his possition in the ranking related to yours, because all you can see is a red icon and, surely, most of the times you are getting kills over people well below than you in the ranking.
BTW, killing no-ranking pilots will affect your rank in relation with anyother ranked pilot. Lets suppose you and me are raked pilots, we both purse a no-raking one, and you get the kill. Your K/D, points and K/S will increase while my K/D and points will keep the same and my K/S may descend. Lets suppose you are ranked number 3, and the top 20 pilots fly for the same country than you, then whatever you kill is not a menace for your position and your only hope to increase your ramking is just to kill more lesser ranked ones of other countries, or that these lesser ranked pilots keep killing your own team mates ranked 2 and 1.
And yes, no-ranked pilots would affect the rank of ranked ones, you can kill them and improve your score or you can be killed by them.
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This thread turned really rank in a hurry..............:p
Seriously, I think MANDOBLE's idea has a lot of merit, but we already have an option: Just ignore that little rating/rank # beside your name and play the game.
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How about you can forfeit your personal score,but your score still goes towards your squad score?
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I think everyone so concerned should just lighten up a bit.
What is so disconcerting about the scoring system? It rewards those who make a complete effort at fighting the war....those who would rather focus specifically on just one aspect of fighting can simply track their progress by that lone statistic.
Regarding the contest, why shouldn't someone who is willing to make that complete effort be rewarded....the fact that some of you are not willing to make that effort, should in no way negate the effort of those who do.
If you don't like it, you probably should just let it go....not everything should have to go your way in order to have some fun. If you think it does, then life itself must be a major letdown for some of you:)
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Then, actually you can call "no-ranking" pilots to all those that are 100 positions below yours, killing them will have no effect at all about the difference between their rank possition and yours. Obviously, when you engange a target you are not worried about his possition in the ranking related to yours, because all you can see is a red icon and, surely, most of the times you are getting kills over people well below than you in the ranking.
Yep, so even more reason not to implement this idea