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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Frodo on December 11, 2002, 10:34:16 PM
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Dumb as a rock or just drunk?
Fits in with Bush and his clones very well it seems.:rolleyes:
Frodo
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Are you secretly afraid of being a bad shot?
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I don't know why people are giving poor old Trent Lott such a hard time, calling on him to resign his post - it's not like the rest of the Republican leadership is any less clueless than he is.
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...the ironic thing about it is that lott said the country would be in better shape if thurmond has won the race for president 54 years ago. thurmond was basicly running as a democrat (dixiecrat - jim crow democrat). i guess 'ol strom finally realised which party was better for racists
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What he said was dumb, mainly because he was white. If he'd been black, a lot of you guys would have been whipping out your checkbooks. Remember Louis Farrakhan? Remember reparations? A few of you fellows on the board were nodding in tacit agreement.
Lott was impolitic, and forgot what color he was.
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Originally posted by whgates3
...the ironic thing about it is that lott said the country would be in better shape if thurmond has won the race for president 54 years ago. thurmond was basicly running as a democrat (dixiecrat - jim crow democrat). i guess 'ol strom finally realised which party was better for racists
yep, that little fact is never mentioned in the media for the soma coma masses.
but doesn't detract from the fact that lott is as dumb as his hair style reflects. guaranteed he got a phone call or two from the rep leaders asking what the heck he was smoking.............and to shut the hell up in the future.
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Originally posted by Frodo
Dumb as a rock or just drunk?
Fits in with Bush and his clones very well it seems.:rolleyes:
Frodo
I dont know anyone who wants Lott as majority leader. He was a terrible leader the last time he had the job and I doubt he will get any better at it. His comment is a perfect example of his lack of leadership skills. He reminds me of a Rep version of Daschle. Basicly he gets the job because he has been there a long time.
I would much rather see Bill Frist of Tennesee or Don Nichols of Oklahoma as Majority leaders. If anything good comes out of this maybe he (lott) will wise up and step back.
Now as far as your
"Fits in with Bush and his clones very well it seems"
piss off you dems lost get over it
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You're really reaching Guys. Trent Lott made that statement at Strom Thurmond's BIRTHDAY PARTY. You know what happens at a birthday party don't you? Everyone present says a lot of polite meaningless nothings to make the honoree feel good. When you make the statement that Lott was being racist you're saying more about yourselves than you are about him.
Get a grip.
Shuckins
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Stupid is as stupid does.
Reports out now that this ain't the first time he's said such things. ..... ijit.
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Krusher you assume I am a Democrat,why?Because I don't like what Lott said, or that I don't like Bush?
I don't vote along party lines and I think that there are good and bad in both parties.A lot of times it's hard to tell the difference between the two.Politicians are usually not the best and brightest
of the bunch anyway.
What gets me is people who rabidly support one party or the other no matter who or what the issue.This hurts the country big time.
Blind allegiance is a scary thing.:(
Frodo
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Originally posted by Frodo
Blind allegiance is a scary thing.:(
Frodo
talk about assumptions
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I hope they fire his ass. I'm not impressed by his leadership skills. He certainly doesn't represent Republicans, particularly this administration.:mad:
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Originally posted by Kieran
What he said was dumb, mainly because he was white. If he'd been black, a lot of you guys would have been whipping out your checkbooks.
That is idiotic. What black politician who would make a statement that anti-lynching laws and allowing blacks to vote were mistakes?
If Republicans are upset about being characterized as bigots, they should support his resignation.
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Montezuma,
Lott didn't say that either. He said the country would have been better off if Strom Thurmond had won his bid for President. He was being polite to a 100 year old man at his birthday party, not sending out subliminal messages of personal racism.
Shuckins
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Either way, Bush just came out and blasted him for it.
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It's really funny to watch them scramble trying to make it sound like a mis-statement instead of him "letting the cat out of the bag" regarding conservative sentiments in general.
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
Montezuma,
Lott didn't say that either. He said the country would have been better off if Strom Thurmond had won his bid for President.
Shuckins
'The problem is that Strom Thurmond's "Dixiecrat" 1948 presidential candidacy was based pretty much entirely on opposing any push for civil rights for black Americans. We're not even talking about opposing, say, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which would be hard enough to defend. We're talking 1948. Strom Thurmond didn't just oppose voting rights for blacks -- he opposed anti-lynching laws.'
Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/commentary-20021211125238.htm)
(not liberals)
'Meanwhile, what are black Republicans supposed to say when fellow blacks ask why we belong to a party whose Senate leader publicly applauded Thurmond's 1948 presidential bid? Thurmond ran, in part, by opposing anti-lynching legislation — that is, prohibitions against hanging black men from trees until dead. If Republicans — black and otherwise — must spend the next two years reassuring Americans that we oppose lynching, we might as well pull white pillowcases over our heads.'
National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock121202.asp)
(also not liberals)
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Originally posted by Dune
Either way, Bush just came out and blasted him for it.
Yeah yeah... and we all know what a champion Bush is on civil rights... :rolleyes:
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That is idiotic. What black politician who would make a statement that anti-lynching laws and allowing blacks to vote were mistakes?
Please, you're smarter than that. The point of my post is that only minorities are allowed to make blatantly racist comments in public and get away with it, and you damn well know it.
Of course it was a stupid thing to say, but... if politicians were always ousted for saying stupid things, there would be no politicians. By the same token, you would have been fired long ago, because it is likely you've said something stupid and insensitive at work. I certainly have.
Wanna comment on Daschle's outburst last month? Should he have stepped down, being the idiot he is? Do you believe Clinton should have stepped down when he lied to your face? That was pretty ill-advised, too.
Lott may or may not be a racist- frankly, I don't care. There are plenty of racists on the other side to balance him out. In the end, I still get to look at his voting record, don't I? I think I can figure out if his legislation has a racial slant to it, and I can vote accordingly the next election.
And please, stop pretending the Republicans have the corner on the racial market.
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It's really funny to watch them scramble trying to make it sound like a mis-statement instead of him "letting the cat out of the bag" regarding conservative sentiments in general.
I'm a conservative and Lott doesn't represent me in this or any other statement he makes. He is a professional politician, thus anything that spews forth is completely self-serving, even this blather about the mummy's election run 50 years ago. If you think this tempest in a teapot is going to translate into Democratic votes next election cycle, keep dreaming. Dems already get 95% of the black vote and 100% of the guilty white vote, so there's not much more you can do with this issue.
ra
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Fellow conservatives. Our Democratic friends have us figured out. If we have a kind word for someone who once took an idiotic, racist stand then we are actually saying that we agreed with that stance (Wink! Wink!) How clever of them to see through our charade. Our racist sentiments should be more closely guarded. Sieg Heil!
Shuckins
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What takes the cake is Jesse Jackson slamming Lott's remarks...What a hypocrite(Re.Hymietown New York)
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Well, G Dubya slammed him good.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/845511.asp?0cv=CA01
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for a guy who's only concern about his people is their loyalty to him, W doesn't seem to show much when one of his people is in need of support. i expect the senate republican leadership & the executive republican leadership just got a lot less cooperative
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i thought lynching had always been against the law.
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It's called P-R-I-N-C-I-P-E-L-E-S. (or however you spell it) I believe that the Republican Party has them.
I am a conservative Republilcan.
I have no need to defend Mr. Lott. He has demonstrated that he doesn't possess the qualities necessary to lead.
What I hate about modern day politics is that so many people feel that they have to defend their party, right or wrong.
I don't think Bush is like that. I'm not like that. I hope most Americans are not like that.
Lets put PRINCIPLES over partisanship.
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Originally posted by whgates3
for a guy who's only concern about his people is their loyalty to him, W doesn't seem to show much when one of his people is in need of support. i expect the senate republican leadership & the executive republican leadership just got a lot less cooperative
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, right? Which way would you have had Bush go?
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It was a stupid statement by Senator Lott. Something he should never have said. THis isn't the first time he has said something like this.
For some congressman or low ranking Senator to say something like this is bad enough but the highest ranking Republican in the Senate to say it is unconscionable (sp?). He knows the mikes are under his nose and I know he was being nice to Senator Thurmond but this was totally inappropriate. I know Senator Byrd has said and done things just as bad but he is not Senate majority leader and probably would never be simply because of his past.
The leader of the Republican Party should show a higher level IMHO. I am a Registered Republican, devout conservative and am apalled at what Lott said. The Republican Party and what we stand for as Republicans can help the African American members of our society more than anything the Democrats can do. You can't convince them of that if you go around making stupid statements like Lott did. Endorsing, either directly or indirectly (like Sen. Lott did) Jim Crow will not endear yourself to the African Americans and will not convince them that the rhetoric put out by the Democrats is anything but the truth.
He should step down as Majority Leader. He should stay in the Senate (Hollings and Byrd are there after all) but he doesn't need to be the spokesman for the Republican Senate.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Please, you're smarter than that. The point of my post is that only minorities are allowed to make blatantly racist comments in public and get away with it, and you damn well know it.
That is interesting. Why don't we get one black man's opinion on this issue:
Lott might survive all this. He is not black. If he were, and if he had associated with a racist black organization, the media would have pressed his pants while he was wearing them.
Stanley Crouch article (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/42697p-40274c.html)
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Originally posted by Arfann
It's really funny to watch them scramble trying to make it sound like a mis-statement instead of him "letting the cat out of the bag" regarding conservative sentiments in general.
Yeah, right.
You obviously have no clue as to what true conservatism believes because if you did you wouldn't make a statment like that.
True conservatives don't believe in racism because Racism in and ot itself goes against the entire concept of conservative thought. Concervatives believe that all human beings, every one, has natural (insert God given if you want) abilities and that everyone should have the same opportunity to succeed. Concervatisim believes that we all have the possiblity to succeed in this country if we put forth the effort. It doesn't say we all will succeed it means that we all have the same opportunity. That is why people can rise from nothing and lead large companies. That is why people like Alexander Bell and the Wright Brothers can succeed, because they all had the freedom to realize their dreams.
No conservative, no true one anyway, condones what Trent Lott said. To say that all conservatives are racist is simply a stupid statement and I expect better than that from people. There are plenty of racist liberals out there, possibly more than on the concervative side. Welfare programs and programs targeted to minorities are naturally racist, it assumes that the recipients of such funding are either too lazy or too stupid to take care of themselves and must have government to help them out. The funny part is the recipients often don't even realize the insult that is thrown their way.
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Erlkonig-
That article proves what, that a black writer believes Lott is getting off easy? You can't imagine my surprise if that's what you meant.
Lott is gone, and we all know it. He certainly hasn't gotten a free ride, either, with Republicans pretty much up and down the line excoriating him.
Stanley Crouch needs his pants pressed.
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Originally posted by whgates3
...the ironic thing about it is that lott said the country would be in better shape if thurmond has won the race for president 54 years ago. thurmond was basicly running as a democrat (dixiecrat - jim crow democrat). i guess 'ol strom finally realised which party was better for racists
Today's Trivia Question:
What party has as a member a senator who is a former KKK member who referred to "white cupcakes" on national TV?
Seems like there is enough soot to go around, and figuring out which party is the pot and which is the kettle could be difficult. When one party cleans itself, then it have the right to criticize the other.
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No, Kiernan, I think his point was that he raised concerns over Lott's views on civil rights several years before this recent incident and was ignored by the media. But I want to know, which one of you is right - can a black man really get away with making blatantly racist remarks, or will he get raked over the coals by the media for something as "innocuous" as having been associated with a black racist organization in the past? Maybe you and him are both wrong...
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
You're really reaching Guys. Trent Lott made that statement at Strom Thurmond's BIRTHDAY PARTY. You know what happens at a birthday party don't you? Everyone present says a lot of polite meaningless nothings to make the honoree feel good. When you make the statement that Lott was being racist you're saying more about yourselves than you are about him.
Get a grip.
Shuckins
SHACK
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can a black man really get away with making blatantly racist remarks
There are plenty of black politicians who support things like affirmative action or reparations - blatantly racist policies. I find that a lot more offensive than a vague inference from an off the cuff remark somebody made at an old man's birthday party.
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"Somebody?"
Thats the problem, Funked. He isn't just "somebody." Lott was tasked with a leadership role. He's either racist, or stupid, or both. He should fall on his sword.
That doesn't mean that there isn't racism elsewhere - among blacks and in public policy - I'm against affirmative action and been a victim of it. It just has nothing to do with this.
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can a black man really get away with making blatantly racist remarks
Who was it who referred to NYC as Himeytown?
Naw, that wasn't a blatantly racist remark....
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I am a conservative Republilcan.
In the dictionary under the word "redundant" it says, "see redundant."
:D
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Originally posted by Kieran
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, right? Which way would you have had Bush go?
i'd have had him ignore this story-of-the-day the media created because there was no real news they wanted to cover. he should be too busy to not be above this made for TV controversy
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It isn't his first slip. In 1980, he put forth similar sentiment - also expressing support for Thurmonds bid for presidency. I suspect he's a closet racist - he might not even be very aware of it himself, but he probably has some issues there. No way of proving it though. But the huge doubt is enough to stop his career.
Seems most conservatives posting in this thread have their head screwed on correctly. He's not been a good leader, he is prone to saying really stupid things and he has done harm to the conservative image. I seriously believe there are more qualified people than him in the Republican party.
I generally agree with the republican philosophy as laid out by wklink. I just don't think that we all have the same chances at success. We all got different cards - some got high IQ, some are compassionate, some are good looking or good at sports and so forth. Then there is the issue of social heritage. Still, I believe the essence of the philosophy (i.e self reliance, hard work WILL get you somewhere) is much more healthy than what we have here in DK, where you actually LOSE money if you go from welfare to a job (given that you're married and have one kid).
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LOLOLO
When and only when We elect Good people sen. and house, Not people trained to tell white lies and bold face lies, Then and only then will people, regular Joes and janes have a voice in goverment.
USA... WE tell 1 million bad lawyer jokes. And call thenm scum of earth tillwe need one . But we still elect them to run our Country...................... .........
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its ok for the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to have sex with an employee his daughters age in the HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE COUNTRY but when a bad hair day republican leader mentions something negative, off the cuff, about blacks - HE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF OFFICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
umm - you know if the dumbacrats were consistent, maybe their credibility would go up..
Lott is a block head, but this is being played and stretched for purely political gain and has ZERO to do with minorities and their civil rights
get over it already ...........
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can a black man really get away with making blatantly racist remarks, or will he get raked over the coals by the media for something as "innocuous" as having been associated with a black racist organization in the past?
Do we live in the same country? :eek:
Here's the real question; if a black man says such racist comments, what does his support base do, back him to the hilt, or agree he should leave. Now compare that to what has happened to Lott. See a difference?
I have no problem with the idea Lott needs to step aside. I have a pretty serious problem with the hyperbolic accusations from hypocritical race baiting opponents on the left.
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Eagler, I'd say getting a blowjob is less morally offensive than supporting lynching.
It's beside the point though. Clinton has nothing to do with this issue. You gotta recognize that Lott has screwed up, right? And that most conservatives writing editorials agree that he isn't very good as his job, either. And that he has done damage to the GOP.
So why not replace him? Not impeach him, but replace him.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, right? Which way would you have had Bush go?
sounds like He is hoping he would back him so he could slam Bush as a racist also.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Who was it who referred to NYC as Himeytown?
Naw, that wasn't a blatantly racist remark....
Almost as good as Al Sharpton screaming about whiteboys taking over the neighborhood.
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Originally posted by StSanta
Eagler, I'd say getting a blowjob is less morally offensive than supporting lynching.
It's beside the point though. Clinton has nothing to do with this issue. You gotta recognize that Lott has screwed up, right? And that most conservatives writing editorials agree that he isn't very good as his job, either. And that he has done damage to the GOP.
So why not replace him? Not impeach him, but replace him.
Actions are FAR worse than words
A few sentences at a birthday party are not as serious an issue as the prez commiting adultery in the Oval office with an employee IMO.
Yep, I think the Reps could have a much better leader than Lott - so do many Reps - the reason some of them are jumping on this remove lott bandwagon. But his stupid statement should not be reason enough to remove him if prior leaders didn't step down for far worse "slips" in judgement
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Buncha children!
"Yea but so and so did something just as baaad!"
sheesh.
Lott said something incredibly stupid. That is all.
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MT-
I'm simply sick to death of the race card being played. If it's ok for one side to be racist, it should be ok for the other. Agreed?
Don't even try to argue the left isn't full of racists, because it most certainly is.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Buncha children!
"Yea but so and so did something just as baaad!"
sheesh.
Lott said something incredibly stupid. That is all.
Agreed.
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Originally posted by Kieran
MT-
I'm simply sick to death of the race card being played. If it's ok for one side to be racist, it should be ok for the other. Agreed?
Don't even try to argue the left isn't full of racists, because it most certainly is.
The "Race Card" seems to be the new euphamism for anything the left mentions about racism on the right, but is rarely used as a euphamism for the opposite.
Racism exists in all shapes and sizes and political affiliations. It is always wrong.
Just hard for me to hear about the poor oppressed white men of America and keep a straight face. ;)
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I missed the news this week due to "crashing" for a G.W.U. class exam. Anyone care to catch me up? I'm going to assume that something (a joke?)in this PC world was taken exception too, and that joke was meant to be between two individuals.
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Lott's remarks were made at a birthday party. If you're asked to say a few words about the "birthday boy" you're supposed to say stupid, vapid things about him. It's in the rules. If you don't, you don't get any cake.
Much has been said about Lott's remarks containing thinly veiled references to racism. Lott said, "I tell ya...if Strom Thurmond had been elected president the country would be a lot better off today..."! I still maintain that this is a perfectly innocuous statement that one hears at almost any birthday party. What was he supposed to say? Can't you see Lott standing up and telling the audience..."Well Strom here once ran for president on a racist platform...more than forty years ago. And even though the voters have seen fit to reelect him time and again to Congress over the last several decades I still think he's secretly a Klansman who keeps his sheet hidden in the closet. Strom has convinced many people that he's changed since that day, but I don't buy that for an instant. I don't know why we're here honoring this man."
That would have gone over really well, wouldn't it?
Shuckins
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Or maybe he really feels that way, and the alcohol just let his true feelings flow.....
Senate Republican leader Trent Lott tried to help Bob Jones University keep its federal tax-exempt status despite the school's policy prohibiting interracial dating two decades before his recent comments stirred a race controversy.
"Racial discrimination does not always violate public policy," Lott, then a congressman from Mississippi, wrote in a 1981 friend of the court brief that unsuccessfully urged the U.S. Supreme Court to stop the Internal Revenue Service from stripping the university's tax exemption.
hmmmmm?
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Lott is a politician, and has to play according to the rules of his game -- even at birthday parties.
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Just hard for me to hear about the poor oppressed white men of America and keep a straight face. :D
Funny, replace "white" with "black" and it makes no difference to me.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Funny, replace "white" with "black" and it makes no difference to me.
naw.... this can't be real.
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The man is a racist, he has done this toejam twice. doesn't matter where in public a public servant makes his public comments about being pro racist ( even in a sort of diguised way, the main party line at the time was racism/segregation (if you know souther history at the time then you know that is what he was referring to ) i am from the south and the old jedi mind trick that there is a non racist (strict definition :believes races are different and white is superior) conservative republican under the age of 40 just wont fly. i have met probly 3 in my whole life, its not an oppinion its a cold hard fact.
haven't read bushes remarks but i will bet you my last dime it falls short of calling for his resignation. they would lose power inconceivable to them judging by previous actions.
eagle your obsessiveness on a single man getting a blowjob is now boardering on the homosexual. give it up you sound like a idiot.
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You bet it's real.
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I think the Repubs would come out ahead by ditching Lott, but that's my opinion as well.
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Originally posted by Kieran
The point of my post is that only minorities are allowed to make blatantly racist comments in public and get away with it, and you damn well know it.
Jessie Jackson's political career, pathetic as it was, ended at 'Hymietown'. Whatever spews out of Al Sharpton's or Farrakan's (sp) mouths is their own business, they are not elected to represent anyone.
Myabe if you search, you can find a rasicst statement made by some black congressional back-bencher, but how many blacks have even approached Lott's level of national power? I can think of maybe a dozen cabinet members and the two Supreme Court justices. And I can't recall any of them making 'blatantly racist comments', nevermind 'getting away with it'.
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Somebody ought to let Jackson know his political career is over. You couldn't tell by the way he manages to influence our politics. Likewise Sharpton- or do we forget so quickly Gore making visits to Sharpton prior to the 2000 election?
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What we need in the South Back then was a Peacekeeping force...like the Dutch force in Bosnia.....
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Leave it to the AH BBS to take a quote out of context and twist it for their own personal agenda.
Some of you guys should really have been reporters.
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Originally posted by Kieran
You bet it's real.
Naw, you can't possibly think that there is no such thing as discrimination against blacks in todays society. No way. Could you?
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I didn't say that. I meant there was discrimination against both black and white men. Surely you're not saying there isn't?
Edit: "Meant" for "said" in second sentence.
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
Lott's remarks were made at a birthday party. If you're asked to say a few words about the "birthday boy" you're supposed to say stupid, vapid things about him. It's in the rules. If you don't, you don't get any cake.
Much has been said about Lott's remarks containing thinly veiled references to racism. Lott said, "I tell ya...if Strom Thurmond had been elected president the country would be a lot better off today..."! I still maintain that this is a perfectly innocuous statement that one hears at almost any birthday party. What was he supposed to say? Can't you see Lott standing up and telling the audience..."Well Strom here once ran for president on a racist platform...more than forty years ago. And even though the voters have seen fit to reelect him time and again to Congress over the last several decades I still think he's secretly a Klansman who keeps his sheet hidden in the closet. Strom has convinced many people that he's changed since that day, but I don't buy that for an instant. I don't know why we're here honoring this man."
That would have gone over really well, wouldn't it?
Shuckins
No, it would not have gone over well at all.
It would have been a terrible social "faux pas"
But it would have been closer to the truth.
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Anything is possible Kieran, but agreeing that something occurrs doesn't mean that it compares.
Hardly a 2 way street, traffic is much higher in one direction I'm sure you will agree.
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You ought to take some education courses today. Your eyes might be opened a little.
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Originally posted by Kieran
You ought to take some education courses today. Your eyes might be opened a little.
My, how very cryptic. Is this an equivalent to, "Oh yeah, well you just don't know nothing!"?
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Ahh my shield bearer has arrived!!!
Thats exactly what I was thinking Thrawn.
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No. It means we have a system in place that consistantly tells us how different minorities are, and how they are to be given special treatment. We are not supposed to treat everyone the same.
Now consider that this is being fed to all your little boys and girls.
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donna brazil , wile working as gores campaign mgr said ""we gona beat them white boys"", that is a racist statement and she should apoligize and resign whatever job she has with the DNC.
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No, she's oppressed and that makes it ok.
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Here's a little analogy for ya;
Lets say you are a school teacher. You have 20 students. You choose 2 of those students to be the whipping boys. For years you slap them in the face whenever they try to answer a question. Then one day you decide that this behavior is wrong, and you stop the slapping.
Do you expect the Whipping Boys to begin to act like everyone else all of the sudden? Do you think it might take some extra effort on your part to build the trust of the Whipping Boys? Do you think maybe the Whipping Boys might need some extra attention just to get to the same level as the rest of the class?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Here's a little analogy for ya;
Lets say you are a school teacher. You have 20 students. You choose 2 of those students to be the whipping boys. For years you slap them in the face whenever they try to answer a question. Then one day you decide that this behavior is wrong, and you stop the slapping.
Do you expect the Whipping Boys to begin to act like everyone else all of the sudden? Do you think it might take some extra effort on your part to build the trust of the Whipping Boys? Do you think maybe the Whipping Boys might need some extra attention just to get to the same level as the rest of the class?
OMG this is actually the worst analogy on the suffering of the black man (or whatever) I have ever read.
First Thrawn pulls his "gayest person of the decade"-award winning ode to Animal, and now you post this crap MT...what has happened?
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i sorry to hear that midnight Target got whipped in school, but what duz that have to do with Lott ?
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That analogy just doesn't fly MT. I see what you are trying to say, but it just isn't useful in this situation.
None of us really have much history on earth here. I don't think there really is a "wise man" among us. Because you like to float ideas doesn't make you wise. We all just try to do the best we can do. We try, we fail, we try again.
I think you know that you won't find a fairer teacher than Kieran. He would never choose any child to be a "whipping boy". In fact, he'd probably go out of his way to make sure that any such kid got fair treatment. You know that.
So, seriously, c'mon.
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...so it seem trent lott made just about the exact same statement@thurmond's 80th b-day party...anyone remember 1982? was there this type of outcry?
racism is inherently anticapitalist
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That's the funny thing, Gunthr. I'm not supposed to treat everyone the same (if I am to believe my college courses). 'Course I don't care, I go ahead and treat everyone the same, but I'd be a fool to say formal education in America doesn't look at minorities differently than whites. All the minorities have to do is yell "lawsuit" and the school caves.
MT and Thrawn, how do you feel about Conyers of Michigan? He's a pretty good pal of Louis Farrakhan, one of the worst race baiters in the country, and devout segregationist. What I remember of the reparations thread, you (MT) seemed sympathetic to the cause. If true, odd that you'd support a segregationist's viewpoint.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Buncha children!
"Yea but so and so did something just as baaad!"
sheesh.
Lott said something incredibly stupid. That is all.
maybe be different then if Monica was black?
THEN the dems would have condemned the breech of trust?
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Kieran
Do we live in the same country? :eek:
Here's the real question; if a black man says such racist comments, what does his support base do, back him to the hilt, or agree he should leave. Now compare that to what has happened to Lott. See a difference?
How can you even accurately gauge what a person's "support base" does? If they disagreed with what this person said, would they still even be considered a "support base"? Let me guess, if he's black than his "support base" is those who back him to the hilt - if he's white then it's those who agree he should "leave". Looks to me like you're stacking the deck.
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Eagler, you say actions are worse than words.
his word swere his actions. His words tried to ensure that lynching wasn't outlawed.
He just had to have the political mandate to make it so, which he was seeking. With his words.
And that is far worse than a blojob, any given day.
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How can you even accurately gauge what a person's "support base" does? If they disagreed with what this person said, would they still even be considered a "support base"? Let me guess, if he's black than his "support base" is those who back him to the hilt - if he's white then it's those who agree he should "leave". Looks to me like you're stacking the deck.
Point to all the white people asking Lott to stay. I can point you to quotes and pictures of the rally where Conyers and Farrakhan spoke to a group of supporters, the national organization of which they are members that is created expressly for the purpose of segregationist activity, whatever you need. I'm not stacking any deck.
Lott should go, because what he said was stupid. It proves he is too stupid to be politic enough to run the party. What I guess I am saying though is that even if he was the most rampant racist on the Republican side, there are equivalents across the isle that are embraced by their party.
"I want to go up to the closest white person and say, 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing,' and then slap him, just for my mental health," Charles Barron, a member of the New York City Council, told the crowd. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/13/national/main506099.shtml)
Edit spelling.
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LOL, thank you for the review Steve, I'll take that as a "Thumbs Down" from the Ebert of AH.
I hope Kieran knows that I was not infering that he was in any way a part of my analogy. From the posts I've read here, I would be happy to have him teaching my kids. He sounds fair and intelligent.
As for reparations. I have never said that I was for them. I think the dialog is a good thing, and I have always said that I felt that discussions of reparations tend to bring out the white sheets on this BBS. You are free to go back and check my posts. I doubt that I ever said that reparations are warranted. (Unless of course my kids were to get their 40 acres. In Southern California that would make us very rich :) ).
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I left that open to clarification on your part, and if you say you are not for them, I accept that. My memory of the discussion is that you felt there was room to consider the cause and need, not that you had in particular said "yes" or "no". Not trying to cherry-pick, just looking for the clarification.
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Originally posted by StSanta
Eagler, you say actions are worse than words.
his word swere his actions. His words tried to ensure that lynching wasn't outlawed.
He just had to have the political mandate to make it so, which he was seeking. With his words.
And that is far worse than a blojob, any given day.
lott did not lynch anyone, nor did the 100 year old geezer he said the comment to in a roasting text at teh geezers bday party
you can't say the same for slick and his act of infidelity to his wife and to the country with his lies afterwards
the dems just have to be consistant, then again they wouldn't be dems then.....
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i dont think lott is old enough to have involved in many lynchings (they're so much more rare these days), but strom grew up the golden age of lynching...he may be an ace
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Yes, and Jesse Jackson may have dined with Idi Amin (and ate a few kids), he's old enough.
What's your point?
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do you have a short attention span or a reading comprehension problem?
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Point to all the white people asking Lott to stay.
Well, I suppose we can start with Dubya, who despite condemning what Lott said, does not think that he should resign (that's what Ari Fleischer says). In the Senate, there is Mitch McConnell:
CNN article (http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/15/lott/index.html)
However, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who will succeed Nickles as GOP whip, defended Lott on Sunday and urged the party to "accept this apology and move on."
"Sen. Lott was elected to a two-year term, and he's said he's not going to resign, and in my view he shouldn't," McConnell told "Fox News Sunday." "We need to stay together and pursue the president's agenda."
McConnell acknowledged the matter was "a crisis," but he insisted the party's goal should be to focus on Bush's agenda and not on the "big mistake" of the Senate GOP leader.
In this thread, it appears that Shuckins thinks this is no big deal at all. I can only assume he is white.
While Conyers's association with Farrakhan is a poor idea if he has any hope of getting whites to seriously consider his position on reparations, he did not say anything racist or promoting of segregation. Furthermore, I would hardly call the attendance of several thousand people to an out of state rally anything much like a "support base" - Conyers recieved almost 150,000 votes in the last election. But anyway, if you are right, and there are overt racists in the Democratic side of Congress, I doubt you'll be able to pin it down to the Lott's or Gephart's.
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Originally posted by whgates3
do you have a short attention span or a reading comprehension problem?
My point is you have no proof Thurmond ever lynched anyone, but you don't let that stop you from making innuendo. I could just as easily say Jesse Jackson ate kids. After all, I don't need proof.
In this thread, it appears that Shuckins thinks this is no big deal at all. I can only assume he is white.
Racist.
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At least in the movie, GS Patton gets in trouble for saying,"As it is the evident destiny for the British and Americans to rule the post-war world,...." leaving out the contribution of the Soviet Union.
He then explains, "I was just trying to be nice to the old ladies"
Trent lott is now being reported by the media as saying something that supported segregation when he did not, he was just trying to say something nice about an old man.
The old man supported segregation 50 years ago, and has since repudiated that stance. 20 years ago, the old man was still an old man of 80, and I believe that the same innocent motivation was in Lott's mind, when he said a similar (politically stupid)statement.
I think that Patton would have empathized with Lott.
This has been blown way out of proportion. :rolleyes:
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Thanks Kieran for the support.
Erlkonig,
Actually, I'm part white, part Cherokee, and part coon-ass. I spent the early years of my child-hood living on the "wrong-side of the tracks" in a small south-east Arkansas town. My family lived in a three room apartment that had been patched onto the back of a small grocery-store. There were so many Black patrons of our store that I thought there was something wrong with our family.
My father never joined a political party...but he is an ardent supporter of the Democrats. So is my mother. Their support stems from growing up during the Great Depression. Their association with Blacks is deep rooted and sympathetic.
Having grown up during the 1960s I remember well the struggle for civil rights, although I didn't fully understand it. There was definitely racism in my home town, but never once did I see a Klan march, or a lynching, but I did hear the word cupcake bandied about quite freely. The attitudes of the white community toward Blacks could be summed up in how that epithet was used. The most virulent racists would use it thusly, "Them damn cupcakeS!" Whites who were human beings would use it in this manner; "Them cupcakes is sho havin' a tough time."
People of that era opposed segregation for many reasons. There were many different levels of racism. There were many decent people who opposed it out of the simplistic, heartfelt belief that it was wrong to mix the races. They felt that whites and blacks were never meant to mix in the schools, or churches, or public places.
If you were raised in more modern times than I was, then you cannot possibly understand this idea. Flawed it certainly was. But you are wrong when you state that all those who opposed segregation were vicious, race-baiting Klansmen.
I don't know if Lott is a hard-core racist, or one of those who honestly believed it was wrong. I do know that he was very young at the time Strom Thurmond ran for president. People can change.
Can you forgive and forget? Can you give him the benefit of the doubt? Can you assume that he was just paying an old Republican fart an off-the-cuff compliment?
Or are you just trying to make political hay out of a faux-pas?
Regards, Shuckins
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it's sorta funny that this off the cuff in a roast-type context this remark was made - IS the best thing the dems can throw up against the party which killed their collective arses just over a month ago ...
can you say DESPERATE ? :)
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Kinda like spending 100 million dollars over 8 years of investigation and coming up with a blowjob and a dirty dress.
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Nickles become a dem?
He's the one calling the loudest for that white trash cracker to step down.
I suppose you think he's unpatriotic since he's hacking a republiscammer ehh eagler? :p
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Originally posted by weazel
Nickles become a dem?
He's the one calling the loudest for that white trash cracker to step down.
I suppose you think he's unpatriotic since he's hacking a republiscammer ehh eagler? :p
hehe
#2 guy wants #1 guy removed, wonder why ???
I'm all for lott to step aside allowing a more conservative republican to take his spot. not for lott to quit after being made to step down, his replacement be a dumbacrat picked by a dumbacrat gov making it 50/50.
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Originally posted by Kieran
My point is you have no proof Thurmond ever lynched anyone, but you don't let that stop you from making innuendo. I could just as easily say Jesse Jackson ate kids. After all, I don't need proof.
maybe not, but i still think strom has a greater liklihood - he has a history of hating negroes during the era in which lynchings were common. jesse jackson has no history of baby hating or obesity & they havent been a common entee (AFAIK) for quite some time, if ever.
Patton (@least the one from the movie) would have hated lott, as he hated monty(@least the one from the movie) . both are/were (@least the one from the movie) disingenous primadonas
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Racist.
Touché! :rolleyes:
Shuckins, I am well aware that there were varying degrees of opposition to de-segregation. I also agree that people can change - and as far as I have seen, Thurmond is one of those people. However, as far as Lott is concerned, there is a history of "faux pas". I cannot accept the cop-out that he was just paying his respects, his choice of words (that we wouldn't have "all these problems" if we had voted for a man whose platform was exclusively opposed to black civil rights) betrays more than that in my mind.
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Lott said this on Black Entertainment blah blah:
"But Lott said he conceded that he "absolutely" understood that Thurmond had personified support for segregation"
So he knew, and he still made a comment. Twice. No mistake about it.
Eagler, for me it ain't about dems vs reps, but rather about a dude that isn't very good at his job, has damaged his organisation, is prone to say stupid things and can be replaced by someone better.
Simple as that.
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Originally posted by StSanta
Eagler, for me it ain't about dems vs reps, but rather about a dude that isn't very good at his job, has damaged his organisation, is prone to say stupid things and can be replaced by someone better.
Simple as that.
wish it was about that .. but it ain't
all politics ... how does lotts view mean anything? you think he makes policy? say he's a david duke - which he aint, think his views would count for anything?
the guy gives me the creeps, always has, but to use this as a means to unthrone him is pure politics on both sdes as I think just as many reps want him to step down but not quit as the dems do <- they hope he quits
dems using this to demonized the entire Republican party - politics
why was the story of the dem using the N-word two day news and this just keeps growing and growing? politics - simple as that.
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why was the story of the dem using the N-word two day news and this just keeps growing and growing? politics - simple as that.
Eagler
I assume you're refering to Sen. Byrd - W.V. While he's a strong figure in the Democratic party, he doesn't lead the party like Lott. There is a significant difference there. Like it or not, a leader is seen to be the chosen one that best represents and promotes the values of the party -- whether it's realistic or not.
Also, the incident was poorly handled by Lott, which gives this an extended life. Granted, it's hard to see how the event could have been spun any better, since there is no easy... "I meant to say..." given the specific words he used at the party. FWIW his hair has also creeped me out.
Charon