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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: funked on May 01, 2001, 08:29:00 PM
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Fw 190D-9
P-51D
La-7
Me 109G-10
Typhoon IB
N1K2-J
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Talk of perking the P-47 was avoided with the agreement to just perk Drex instead.
AKDejaVu
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I'd say perk Lephturn too, but he's my squaddie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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Milenko has 40 kills and has been killed 14 times in the Typhoon IB. K/D 2.85
Milenko has 106 kills and has been killed 39 times in the N1K2. K/D 2.71
Keep ur d*ck-skinners off my Tiffie and Battlestar Galatica Colonial Viper! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Good God I luv this game!
OH MY!™
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KEEP UR STINKIN HANDS OFFA MA TIFFIE FUNKED!!!
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Whatsa perk?
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Originally posted by funked:
Typhoon IB
We already have a perked Typhoon, it's called a Tempest.
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fix the roll rate on the typhoon and it wont need perking
fix the vertical bug in the n1k2 and it wont need perking.
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There ain't nuthin wrong with the tiffie roll rate beyatch!
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Right on funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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I want to see them perk whining: You have to spend perk points to whine and when you are out you can't whine anymore.
Hooligan
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I agree with most of Funked's list except for the tiffie and the p51d and the g10.
The real reason for perks was to stop any plane from becoming unbalancing. To that end the P-51d is fairing worse than the p-51b.
I dont think the tiff, g10, or p51d are unbalancing the arena at all.
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Yeeeehaw - the perking season is open... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh man, Lake Uterus & CHog perked - what do I need more??
Oh btw, totally agree with Funked!!
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Looks like a great list funked. I fly the G10 a lot, but I'd give it up if all those got perked...
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bring Spit XIV and perk it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) i don`t mind just give me faster SPIT !!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Funked im with U !
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Agree with Funked ...
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Originally posted by funked:
Fw 190D-9
P-51D
La-7
Me 109G-10
Typhoon IB
N1K2-J
Dont forget the Yak9u and the P47D30 (Unless you fix the loadouts (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
Personally I would have no problem with neither of those planes perked, or with all of them perked. I like the late 1944 planeset and so I think that with a fixed FM N1K2, wich would not need perking, we would be right on spot as we are now.
But if you take all those as cheap perks....well, I wont have a problem either. But then the Chog would have to cost more than 8 perkies, right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Take the typhoon off that list, and everything will be peachy.
BTW, I think it very strange that so much scrutiny is paid to Allied planes with the conclusion that they are over-modelled, yet the LW modelling is assumed to be spot on or actually below the real-life performance.
If the roll-rate of the tiffie is changed, then lets have the hellcat's low speed handling looked at (it should be better than it is), bomb and rocket racks added to the Lavochkins and Yaks.
The collective chip on the shoulder of the LWabble gets bigger all the time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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MA Handle: Koba
Acting CO
No. 272 Squadron "Whispering Death"
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Take the typhoon off that list, and everything will be peachy.
Perk it and add a 1943 Typhoon, not the late 1944 we have now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW, I think it very strange that so much scrutiny is paid to Allied planes with the conclusion that they are over-modelled, yet the LW modelling is assumed to be spot on or actually below the real-life performance.
If the roll-rate of the tiffie is changed, then lets have the hellcat's low speed handling looked at (it should be better than it is), bomb and rocket racks added to the Lavochkins and Yaks.
I agree with all you say. The Hellcat stall is definitely weird (had the chance to experience it first-hand in a scenario last week). And the Soviet fighters need the A/G loadouts they lack now.
The collective chip on the shoulder of the LWabble gets bigger all the time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
See? I think that you can't make a single post without ruining it with this kind of crap...what was a perfectly good post is turned into another insult.
So typical... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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I don't fly c-hog. But now that they're perked, we all just lost some easy kills. C-Hog drivers gonna be too afraid to engage anything now.
The other point I want to make is that this looks like the beginning od a slippery slope at the end of which everything worth flying is gonna be perked. We gonna end up with a situation where a newbie gonna have to learn the ropes in a 202 cause he can't afford anything else. Also some people couldn't care less about their perk points score so still expect c-hogs to keep HO'ing.
I really am sick of machoistic whining about uber planes. If ya think a plane is too uber then fly it. Would a Formula 1 racing driver refuse to drive a car cause he thinks it's too good? I don't think so!
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Anytime a top 300 pilot flies a fighter it should cost him perk points. It should be a progressive system,just like taxes, the better pilot you are the more perkies it should cost to fly a fighter.
Perking planes isn't the answer, but perking the pilots will balance the arena and make it fair for us dweebs. I know by your posts that fairness is what you really want,right?
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[This message has been edited by 1776 (edited 05-02-2001).]
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Originally posted by 1776:
Anytime a top 300 pilot flies a fighter it should cost him perk points. It should be a progressive system,just like taxes, the better pilot you are the more perkies it should cost to fly a fighter.
Perking planes isn't the answer, but perking the pilots will balance the arena and make it fair for us dweebs. I know by your posts that fairness is what you really want,right?
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That's why I've stated rank/score has to be a factor into perking.
If that won't happen, I'll go along with funks list. They need to be more than "7" points though or else the newbies will be the only ones NOT being able to fly them.
Eagler
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<sigh> RAM - I might just have been joking.
Because, as much as it may be a surprise to you, I for one see this as a GAME.
I play it for FUN.
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Agree with funked!
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BAD BAD BAD IDEA
What the hell does perking the entire<er most> plane set do for anyone? What about the new guys?? They walk into the MA and find out HEY! you cant fly the p51, LA7,G10 bla bla bla!!! They turn around and leave. Starting out at a disadvantage in AH, with the learning curve as high as it is could prove disasterious.
Totally defeats the system.
The perk system will make more sense when new perk rides become availble. F8F BABY, BRing it on!
No problem with the chog perk, it was a rare bird in ww2 and deserves to be perked. It's a big bad bellybutton bird that everyone likes. I am PROUND OF YOU BIG BLUE! Ya made to the perk-o-fame.
Now bring that Me-262 and the krauts will have a bird worthy of perk status. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
LaVa
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What Hooligan said. Best idea on the boards.
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this is all a little confusing to me.
Are planes perked because of their ability (K/D) or their popularity (usefulness)?
If it is popularity, as it appears is the case, then the 1C will be perked in the "cv" arena and not in the "uterus" arena?
"perking" planes is a reward for P51 and D9 lovers because they are good boys and fly boring planes?
If anything is perked it should be simply speed.
perhaps it is time to just fix the arena and get rid of the whole convoluted perk monster thing.
I could fly a -1C against newbies and less skilled guys for the rest of my career if i really wanted to. I don't see how that makes the arena any better.
lazs
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I have siad before that perking SOME aircraft adds to a more diverse arena, planes like the temp and the other new aircraft that are perked, but to go back and perk alot of the aircraft we allready have would be quite detrimental.
Reason i say this is that, as i have said in my other post, i have ony just came to AH from WB's in the past couple of months, i did come here before but the learning curve i found to be really steap so i gacve up after my 2 week trial.
What brought me back to try again, succeed in cracking the games flight model and staying puting 30 bucks in to AH account every month was the diversity of the game, the ammount of options i had to choose from and the large and diffrent selection of aircraft to choose from.
Had half the aircraft would have been perked at the time i wouldnt even concider making an effort in a game that requiers such a high learning curve and at the same time demanded me to be a good shot to fly any of the decent planes and i know this applies to alot of other newbies.
Money is what will keep this game going and going and have more and more updates, special with the likes of WWII onlinwe on the horizon.
If you make this game to ELITEest you will be closeing the door to alot of new blood and extra revenue.
You may be S**t hot and demand a more trying eviroment but it will be no good if the numbers dwindle and new blood is hard to come by because many people are turning away for a more aprocherble sim.
i think AH is great, it has so much apeal at the moment, perking like mad will be a signiture on the death warrent of AH.
my 2 cents
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Yep, I wouldn't mind seeing all those planes perked somewhat. Even the Tiffie!
anRky
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Fw 190D-9 there are still 3 other 190 rides, no prob here
P-51D There's still the B pony...
La-7 You got the La-5...
Me 109G-10 Still 3 other 109 rides.
Typhoon IB I don't really have an opinion here. maybe like someone said, add the older model tiffie. Or fix the roll rate if it's really incorrect.
N1K2-J uhmm, that'd leave how many Japanese AC free? one?? dunno about that. Fix the FM, then see if it still "needs" to be perked.
F4U-1C You got the D model.
Well, while we're on the perking frenzy, I say add the Spit IX to the list. You've still got the V and the Seafire.
As long as the perk costs are low, just about anyone can fly the planes evetually. Also, for the most part, there is a near equivalent plane in every case. Sure the other model may not be as good, but it's still a 109, or it's still a Corsair.
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perk the b17 cause u still got the Lanc
and ju88 and TBM. if ur gona perk buff killer AC then u gota start perkin buffs too.
whels
Originally posted by Nifty:
Fw 190D-9 there are still 3 other 190 rides, no prob here
P-51D There's still the B pony...
La-7 You got the La-5...
Me 109G-10 Still 3 other 109 rides.
Typhoon IB I don't really have an opinion here. maybe like someone said, add the older model tiffie. Or fix the roll rate if it's really incorrect.
N1K2-J uhmm, that'd leave how many Japanese AC free? one?? dunno about that. Fix the FM, then see if it still "needs" to be perked.
F4U-1C You got the D model.
Well, while we're on the perking frenzy, I say add the Spit IX to the list. You've still got the V and the Seafire.
As long as the perk costs are low, just about anyone can fly the planes evetually. Also, for the most part, there is a near equivalent plane in every case. Sure the other model may not be as good, but it's still a 109, or it's still a Corsair.
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Actually, I see more Lancs and JU88's than B17's and TBM's so you'd perk those instead. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
However, fix the laser guided bombs from the buffs, and you won't need to perk 'em at all. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I think the challenge of AH is what KEEPS people paying $30 which gives HTC a stable income they can rely on.
trying to make everyone happy must be a nightmare and the perk system we have is being tested.
Again i ask give it a chance! its only because of the time between updates that it doesnt happen at a faster pace which in a PERFECT world would be weekly or monthly refining of the gameplay right? well it isnt possible for the poor old programmers to go at that speed so we have to test things at a slower pace.
1 or 2 tours gives HTC a fairly good idea of what the changes they make do to the arena.
Im prepared to try anything for a month or so or even longer if i can see its potential looks good like i think the perk system does.
As for newbies being limited in choice of planes why not get a gift of perks for subscribing to AH? extra incentive to start paying.Not so much that it negates trying for the TOP planes but enough to waste a few cheaper)perk planes in fun?
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Its nice to see that a few vocal minority can whine loud enough and get what they want here. I see that affirmative action is alive and well in AH.
I would like to see something from HiTech, a recent post, which explains the reason behind perking the Chog. Since we have already started a trend, maybe just maybe, we can get the plane set down to only those aircraft that is “acceptable”. I should think 4 or 5 are all you need.
I still vote for reducing everything down to C47’s, the only true and honorable way to fight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Zippatuh
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Well to be honest the day I cannot fly an AC because of points is the day I quit.
I'm not going to pay $30 a month to fly c47 or c202 or what ever is left unperked.
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Rolling Perk Set would probably be better. If thats not going to happen, then Funked's idea might be an answer. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Camo
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Camouflage
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Brewster into AH!
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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Gimme a P-38K ... AND PERK IT (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Why should the P-51D be perked? Aside from small dedicated squads, when is the last time you saw 7 or 8 of them flying in the same airspace?
Before, you could dive into a furball and usually count 5 or 6 Chogs, and 4 or 5 N1ks.
The only thing the P-51D has going for it above other planes is speed and fuel endurance. It can't really out-turn, out accelerate, out climb, or out gun. It doesn't have good ground attack ability thanks to the radiator. It doesn't carry enough ords and ammo to kill much more than a V-field.
So explain to me in real terms why the P-51D should be perked.
And remember, according to HTC, perks are for keeping a plane from being over-used. I don't see the P-51D being over used in the MA.
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Midnight CO
412th FG "Braunco Mustangs"[/i]
The 412th is actively seeking P-51 Mustang pilots. E-mail me for more information davidl@splusnet.com
"You tell them I'm coming.. And Hell's coming with me!" -Kurt Russel Tombstone
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I agree with midnight...
Perked aircraft are those that that would upset the MA if introduced as "Free" aircraft.
Some that come to mind that would upset the arena if not perked.
ME-262
P-80
F8F
A-26
B-29
These aircraft will be here some day--- and quess what, to fly these you need perks, if you fly the spitIX,51B,109G-10,La7,190D-9 it is going to take you forever to fly the super-planes because of the Low ENY value of the planes that you are killing in.
So it boils down to this, if ya want to fly the uber planes ya have to learn to kill in the older planes.
This idea is similiar to funked's, but it expands the perked aircraft to another level.
LaVa
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Midnight, the 51-D is used more than the G10, so from this perspective, perk it.
When was the last time you saw a squad come up in only g10's? Apart from us, Llv, 301 and the assassins, few squads fly the LW planes in something approaching "dedicated" status.
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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StSanta... I don't see that as a viable direct comparison. There are a couple reasons.
1. Aside from the G10, there is the G6, G2 and F4. AFAIK, these all have similar flight performance and all have cannons for killing.
2. Aside from the 51D, there is the 51B. These have similar flight performance, but the 51B has reduced killing ability with only 4x .50 caliber MG.
3. Americans are brought up thinking the 51D is the be-all, end-all of WWII A/C. I would be willing to bet every American AH newbie grabs a 51D a few times before switching to the Uber Chog or the UFO N1K. The 51D has 0.914 KD vs. the G10's 1.152 which supports his theory somewhat.
If you take all models of the 109 K/D against all models of the P-51 K/D, the 109 has more.
G10 - 5536 / 4806
G6 - 1473 / 1380
G2 - 1379 / 1019
F4 - 1222 / 1501
TOTAL - 9610 / 8706
51D - 6361 / 6962
51B - 1205 / 1199
TOTAL - 7566 / 8161
diff - 2044 / 545
So you see, there is still no reason the P-51D should be perked. And, by my same logic, the 109-G10 need not be perked either, as it too is not seen in endless droves. (Even though I hate the G10 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
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Midnight CO
412th FG "Braunco Mustangs"[/i]
The 412th is actively seeking P-51 Mustang pilots. E-mail me for more information davidl@splusnet.com
"You tell them I'm coming.. And Hell's coming with me!" -Kurt Russel Tombstone
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Midnight..Agreed that P51D doesn't need to be perked.It ain't that wonderful plane nor unbeatable.It's advantages are the speed at hi alt and fuel endurance as U mentioned+some other stuff.When opposing P51,the key word is patience and good SA.Eventually the P51 driver will make a mistake You can utilize or runs..errr..extends from the situation.
About the 109.They all have very different flight characteristics.Where the 109F-4 is nimble suffereing from relatively low top speed, the G-10 is less maneuverable but is fast.109G-2 is between 109F-4 and 109G-10.109G-6 is just a bulged/heavier G-2 with less maneuverability (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)Common to all 109's is the climb rate.It is pretty good on all of them and being very good in 109G-10.The engines are also of different HP.DB601(109F-4) had about 1200hp,DB605(109G-2/6) has 1400hp and G-10 has 1800-2000hp(depends on source,not sure which model of engine,prolly some variant of DB605 or even DB603).109's still offer something for variety of altitudes,from low(109F-4),med(109G-2/6) to high(109G-10).So pick Yer altitude and choose "correct" 109 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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The 109F4 had a DB601E producing 1350HP
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Early DB605's had about 1,450hp. If I'm not wrong, the 109G could not mount the DB603. During late 1943 and first half of 1944, the only 1-engine fighter able to mount the mighty DB603 was the G.55 "Centauro".
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Funked, it seems your list is based, mainly, on top speed as criteria to perk a plane. IMO, this is a very poor criteria. Add E retention, zoom climb, diving, weapons and turning. All these factors are the primary ones to kill, speed is only the primary one to flee.
190D9: Good E retention at hi speed. Very poor E retention at lo-med speeds. Poor weapons. Good zoom climb and diving. Null at turning.
P51D: Good E retention at Hi-med speeds. Average E retention at lo speeds. Average weapons. Excelent zoom climb and diving. Goor turner.
La7: Excelent E retention. Average weapons. Excelent zoom climb and good diving. Good turner.
G10: Average E retention. Poor weapons. Poor turning. Excelent zoom climb. Null diving.
Typh: Good E retention. Excelent weapons. Good turning. Excelent zoom climb. Excelent diving.
Nikki: Excelent everything.
It seems you forget the next one ...
SPIT IX: Excelent everything (except top speed at level flight).
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Originally posted by Dowding:
BTW, I think it very strange that so much scrutiny is paid to Allied planes with the conclusion that they are over-modelled, yet the LW modelling is assumed to be spot on or actually below the real-life performance.
Well, check this out for yourself.
(http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/phoenix/images/rollrates.jpg)
Can you pick the ONE aircraft from all these which in AH performs below its specs? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Jekyll (edited 05-03-2001).]
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Hmmm, this business of perk points and perked planes is all new to me. I admit though that I was disappointed about not being able to fly the Chog; I was just getting to like it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I had a few perk points (which I didnt know about) and got to fly it for 3 hops on Tuesday night until I got ganged 3 consecutive times, so I figure I can do without it and fly something else; I wasn't all that attached to it anyway.
For me though, the notion of perk points to keep the number of players flying it down is interesting. In another sim if a lot of folks flew a plane, it was either porked, too easy to fly and newbies flew it a lot, or, it was porked and newbies and dweebs flew it a lot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hell, I'll just fly the DHog if I can't fly the Chog (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) They only made 200 of the Chogs anyway, making it more of an historical curiosity anyway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well I'm back to wade in with more observations about perking planes. I admit I am a bit more confused than I was (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
So, lemme get this straight... Funked puts up a list which many agree with because:
Too may people fly those a/c on the list or...
The arena is somehow unbalanced because so many people fly those planes or...
Those planes on the list are somehow inaccruately modeled? or...
Newbies or bad pilots should not be able to fly those a/c because they won't be able to afford to fly them? or....
Some of those on the list can kill buffs and therefore have some kind of unfair advantage?
or...
Perk everything so there will be balance in the arena? or...
The better pilots should be "taxed" by having perk points required once they reach the top 300?
<scratches head> This is all very confusing...;( I'm wondering why I can't just fly any damned plane I want to? Learn it, get good at flying and dying in it, and move on to the next plane so I can broaden my experience.
I had forgotten how being a dweeb has many drawbacks, and that learning a new sim involves more than just learning the FM and planeset (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by gatt:
During late 1943 and first half of 1944, the only 1-engine fighter able to mount the mighty DB603 was the G.55 "Centauro".
LOL Gatt, you could not be more wrong (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Several 190 prototypes were fitted with a DB603 as soon as in late 1942. And some high
-altitude prototypes carried it too (FW190C)
And Kurt Tank wanted the Daimler-Benz engine over the Ju-213 for the 190. The reason why it wasnt fitted in anything else than 190 and 152 prototypes is that the RLM,while having authorized Tank to build 190 prototypes using the DB603, always warned him that it would be a very low priority. The official reason is that there was too heavy demand of 603s engines everywhere else.
Finally, for the time that Tank achieved the RLM to give green light for building production planes with the DB603, it was too late. That is the reason why the Ta152C never entered full production.
The Ta152C and Ta153 would've carried DB603s.
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It is a nefarious plot, Don. You see, Evil Dr. Funked wants to see them perked so the average shmo like yourself has to fly inferior aircraft on a regular basis. This is so that he can more easily pick you apart in an uber plane that he pays for from his unlimited pool of perk points that he has acrued while flying all of those uber aircraft without having to pay for them. Muhahahahaha!
For those who are dense, the above is B.S. with regards to Funked. But if you are going to perk all late war aircraft, there really ought to be a perk point account reset. You have too many people who have accrued too many points in those aircraft already without having to spend points on them. The only people it would keep out of late war planes are new players who are already cannon fodder to begin with.
So perk Funked's list, I don't care, I don't hardly fly anymore. But if you do, wipe the perk accounts. People that genuinely want to see more use of early war aircraft won't care.
Gordo
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What gordo said....
The only way to go is up in the perk system. There are alot of late war "monsters" that will make the 51D,G10,La7,190D-9 etc etc look like piper cubs. Well, not that bad, but you get my point.
Instead of perking our current hot rods make new ones that are even more super.
ME262---Prolly the most expensive perk ride i can think of. 70 perks----temp now costs 25 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
F8F---Low alt furballers dream. Mid perk price. 40 perks
P-51<H><K> cant remember, just a cannon hauling mustang...your high alt nightmare and something to fight me262s in (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) 40 perks
That bristish jet...cant remember the name
but it would be expensive. 70 perks
Temp----cheaper perk...25 points
Ta-152--cheap perk 15 points.
CHOG----cheapy 8 perks.
This is the direction the perk system needs to go imho.
The addition of these aircraft, which all had functuning SQs that were fully trained and deployed to combat before the wars end.
LaVa
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Well maybe these planes were a mistake to put in? If you have to discourage people from flying them then take em out. I believe that perk points make new people feel the learning curve is just to great and that veterans have and insurmountable advantage.
We all know there will never be a level playing field ,skill wise, but at least there could be one in aircraft choices? All paying customers deserve the same game for there money regardless of skill level.. I vote for one plane set for all. Whatever that maybe is ok with me.
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Jekyll, do you also have a graph to show the force required at the joystick with regard to those roll rates & speeds? Just curious.
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VMF-111 Devildogs (http://www.devildogs.com)
MAG-33 (http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/M3.html)
'Criticism is easier than craftmanship.'
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Don: The training arena is available for practising different type of a/c. You even get trainers to give you pointers on what you're doing wrong.
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If I remember right, thats a 0 (minimal)--> 50lb stick force as speed increases for that particular chart Sundog.
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>I would be willing to bet every American AH newbie grabs a 51D a few times before switching to the Uber Chog or the UFO N1K.
You would lose your bet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I am a newbie and the first a/c I flew in the MA was an FW 190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I am also partial to the P-51D, the f4U1D, the Me109F and a few others. I am not partial to TnB planes. I prefer to energy fight.
I am aware of the training arena and have already been there, and will continue to go til I learn this sim.
I have been a dweeb before, and am a dweeb again. There HAS to be a learning curve if the sim is going to be worth the time, energy, rantings from your wife and expense (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hell, let the veterans with the humongous perk points have their points, they earned them. Hehe, there has to be some incentive for a newbie dweeb to put up with the frustration; eventually take em away from the veterans (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now there is something to aspire to (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Cya up!
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I have enough points to fly Tempest or Ta-152 and feed them to enemy 202's thought I rather fly with Dora or La-7.
IMO our perk-planes aren't worth of 50 or 70 points, You can have almost same speed or firepower for free or cheap 8 points.
Hehe (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/Pics/buyfw3.jpg) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Funked's ideas are usually top notch... this being an exception.
Sorry... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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well its been awhile since the f4c as perked and as far as i can tell im fighting more p47s more 109s more la7s and im not seeing this flood of nikis evryone assured us we'd see.true when ever i see a niki i seem to get killed by them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) but its not the overpowering masses like i seemed to see with f4cs.this tour ive killed as many p47 25s as i have nikis! now that doesnt happen often.
I find the MA a lot more varied.
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Hazed
3./JG2 (http://members.home.net/winyah999/3jg2.htm)