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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Booky on December 13, 2002, 03:28:03 AM
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I am:D
This is what my dream has listed so far.
-2GHz Clawhammer, motherboard undecided yet. Cooling undecided.
-1GB PC2700, or 4200 depending on performance difference in sync vs async.
-CD-RW drive (time will tell its speed)
-Two 40GB SATA drives, if they make 40's otherwise next step up.
-GeforceFX
-Audiogy2
-Antec PLUS1080AMG case with Antec 430W PS.
-Maybe WIN XP, or WIN98SE duel boot with WIN2K.
So far thats what I am looking at. I left out the little things like floppy and whatnot, but you get the jist.
I plan to build in June, hope all this is ready by then and not too dammaging to pocketbook:eek:
Post your dream system......
Booky
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do you have the 2002 dreaming system ?
It would be more compatible with my budget :p
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Couple weeks ago I took out 1,4GHz Athlon CPU from my computer and dropped 2,0GHz XP2400 in.
Next step was kicking the FSB up and voila; SiSoft sandra thinks it's XP2800 with 2,3GHz.
CPU was 230€ here = cheapest upgrade I've ever done.
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well , becose i tryed WW2OL and find out how my uber box sux just geting the ATi 9700 and upgrade to 1,5 GO 333 ddram
sure no way to got intel, just a new amd 2400 Xp on 13 microns the thing got L1 bridge uncut so with extrem coling clocked around 2400 mhz:eek: , water coling only after X mas , :mad:
and the mobo ? just a old KT 333 the new Nforce 2 will be probaly next
already spend on this upgrade 1400 euro , new MB and new water coling wil me cost around 1000 euro
yup europe is expensive :mad:
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staga , do you have water coling ? in FR i can find only Colance and the box with al necesery water blocks going around 500 euro , like to buy water coling separate and keep my original box , any tips ?? plz
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I have a couple of different directions I'd like to go in for dream systems:
Server/Router:
1) A micro box similar to this micro pc from Jadetec (http://www.jadetec.com/products/micropc4/index.htm).
or
2) A wireless intel router
or
3) A dual Xeon 2800 system with a Supermicro Motherboard (http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/GC_LE/X5DL8-GG.htm).
For fun:
A P4-3.08 with a Radeon 9700pro.
I've kept it to processors that actually exist.
AKDejaVu
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Sweet CPU/video card combo Deja. I am right there too. Already have the video card, just waiting a bit and keepin my fingers crossed for Christmas.
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Deja, on yer router, why not build one from an older CPU? Pretty trivial to setup these days.
I did this with Linux and an old 600Mhz P3 system. Works like a champ with near wire speed throughputs and balanced I/O.
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just ordred my '2003' system :)
delivery on the 18th.
p4 2.8
512 mb pdram
sb audigy 2
9700 pro
and the usual.. cd burner, dvd, etc
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Deja, on yer router, why not build one from an older CPU? Pretty trivial to setup these days.
I did this with Linux and an old 600Mhz P3 system. Works like a champ with near wire speed throughputs and balanced I/O.
I have a dual XEON 400 that I currently use... its not a problem at all.
What I would like is something that has the capability of running a game server or two from the modern stuff.
It will have to be somewhat up to speed, but not overlblown. The ones listed here were just "dream" systems to do the job;)
AKDejaVu
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Easy to do Minus....
O4Pro AMD / Magnum 390 watercooling kit:
* Magnum 390 copper block for CPU,
* Black Ice Pro radiator
* 120mm Titan fan for radiator
* 120mm finger cover (Laser cut if you like)
* 10/12,5mm hose 2meters, silicone or PVC
* 4x hose tightener (or whattaheckisthatinenglish, clamper?),
* T-adapter
* Titan silver paste
* O4Pro shimm anonized aluminium.
* 3-pin. voltage regulator 12 V -> 9,5 V
These with Hydor Selz L20 SE waterpump 167,9 € or with
Eheim 1048 waterpump 198.4 €
options:
-voltage regulator 12v->9,5 to Zalman Fanmate +7€
-chipset block 37,7€
-GPU block for Gf4 41,8€
- watercontainer O4Pro WaCo for HYDOR Selz L 20X, O4Pro se60 x 100 x 83 mm + 49.9 €
- watercontainer O4Pro WaCo 1e for EHEIM 1046/1048 60x100x83 mm + 49.9 €
- watercontainer O4Pro WaCo 2e, Rev. 1.1 for EHEIM 1046/1048 100x100x83mm + 56.9 €
Only special parts you would need are blocks (copper is must, do not use aluminium) and radiators.
Copper block for CPU = 60€
Radiator 60-100€ depending the size, I'm using 150x128x25mm Blackice Pro, 60€
Other parts can be found from aquarium shops (waterpumps, Eheim is good) and computershops.
If you wish I can ask if they could send parts to France, they're sending lots of stuff to Germany already. That company is only 5km from where I live and I visit there almost every week.
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A good cheap radiator is a 68-69 Camaro Heater core. About $19 U.S., but I do not know how you might get one in Germany.
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My system...
I've been playing with a thought of rebuilding the watercooling system with some Hi-tech parts like steel hoses which are used in rallycars and airplanes but being a lazy person as I am... maybe later :)
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Some ppl here use parts from Ford Sierra and other cars, thought they usually need to weld smaller in/out water connectors to them and I heard they're not as effective as radiators specially made for computer use are.
btw that case is Thermaltake Xaser 5000+, basically factory modded Antec. Earlier comp-case was Enlight and only modifications I had to do is make the blow-hole on the left sidepanel bigger.
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staga, thxxx, got links who sell online hire ine EU ?
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Can't help with that one yet but I'm trying to find some info. That company sends their stuff to the Germany pretty often so I would guess there could be a company selling/delivering those parts to the customers.
If you can't find one I can send parts you're needing from here.
radiators in Belgium(?), also complete watercooling systems (110€): http://www.digitalcentury.be/modding.htm
Something in France: http://www.openjl.fr/
and lots of links: http://www.hwlabs.com/products/blackice.htm
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
I have a couple of different directions I'd like to go in for dream systems:
Server/Router:
1) A micro box similar to this micro pc from Jadetec (http://www.jadetec.com/products/micropc4/index.htm).
or
2) A wireless intel router
or
3) A dual Xeon 2800 system with a Supermicro Motherboard (http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/GC_LE/X5DL8-GG.htm).
For fun:
A P4-3.08 with a Radeon 9700pro.
I've kept it to processors that actually exist.
AKDejaVu
LoL, you are soooo decieved. I work where they make those 3.06 chips and I still wont buy one. I do admit that they have a better performance clock for clock than the earlier P4 chips, but the Hyperthreading isn't really all that great yet. Either way, your system looks like it will fly as well.
As for the ATI card, well I prolly would get one but I still hven't got the courage to buy another ATI card. I had a radeon and it sucked.
Booky
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LOL Booky! Is that what this thread was about? AMD vs Intel?
I find it funny that you are making fun of the fastest chip on the market, while wishing for one that may or may not ever exist.
BTW... I work where the first 3.06 came out... not some hack high-volume fab. ;) And I know just how much people that make the chips actually know about them. ;)
AKDejaVu
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I wouldn't recommend you get the 9700Pro Booky.
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After I found that win2k Pro couldn't be used as a full-featured router (port forwarding is grayed-out in win2k pro), I briefly considered putting linux on that computer (P3-700).
Then I remembered that XX (Dos Equis, aka Dan Drumm) had his home linux box rooted a couple of years ago when he was teaching networking at Cisco, due to a reasonably small oversight. If HE can make a mistake, I sure as heck can't keep a linux router secure on a cable hookup. I get portscanned over 30 times a day, more often when new vulnerabilities are exposed, so I can't afford to use a router that needs securing because I don't have time to keep it up to date.
I then ran to best buy and bought a D-Link 604 for $29. Works like a champ, daisy-chains through my 8 port 10/100 switch, does port forwarding, domain/ip/url blocking, everything except make toast and tie my shoes in the morning, even though the 604 is last-year's technology. I imagine the newer stuff is even better. I also figure that the little router uses less power than a dedicated computer running 24 hrs a day, so I could potentially get that $29 back within a year, just in reduced electrical demand.
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AMD Duron 1.0ghz
224ram
32meg S3 KM133 ProSavage
24x10x40cdrw
......oh wait thats what i have now .....guess im stuck with this :p
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
LOL Booky! Is that what this thread was about? AMD vs Intel?
I find it funny that you are making fun of the fastest chip on the market, while wishing for one that may or may not ever exist.
BTW... I work where the first 3.06 came out... not some hack high-volume fab. ;) And I know just how much people that make the chips actually know about them. ;)
AKDejaVu
Guess I did come off that way didn't I:p
Wasn't supposed to be that way. I personally think Intel platforms are way more stable, or at least less finicky (spelling).
I just can't see how they rate there chips. I will laugh when the 2GHz Clawhammer kills the 3.06 P4. And don't forget that the P4 doesn't have much room left to go.
This is by no means a AMD VS INTEL message. I build AMD, I recommend Intel. AMD used to be way cheaper but not so much anymore.
My only complaint about Intel is their deception of the General public on speed. But I can't really blame them, this is a business they run.:D
Booky
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I wouldn't recommend you get the 9700Pro Booky.
Why is this? You just said earlier that you have this card, didn't you?
Or are you saying this because you know from my previous post that I am not building for 6 months, and we both know how much can change in 6 months:D
Booky
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Edit to my post about routers - one thing to remember is that every additional part you add to your lan is one more thing to break. My switch died tonight and of course it was the last thing I checked after troubleshooting everything else in the house...
So instead of having all computers connecting to the switch and the router connecting through the switch uplink port, everything is now temporarily going through the router. This makes me even less likely to use a real computer as a router because a real computer has lots of components to break. Reliability is a nice thing to have and I don't think I need the flexibility that a real linux router would give me.
YMMV. And yes booky, I think that is what skuzzy was getting at. Buy a 9700 now before you upgrade the rest of your system, and in 6 months you'll be drooling over the FX or ATI's next greatest thing. A GF2 ought to be plenty powerful for AH and most other games for the next few months. I only went from a GF2 PRO to a GF4-4200 because I got it for $89. The image quality isn't dramatically better and the framerates in AH are only incrementally smoother, because AH doesn't demand much more video card horsepower than a GF2 anyhow.
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Dream Machine for 2003? I got it here, baby! Yeah, I know... it's not even 2003 yet, but I built my system in October, thought it deserves to be classified as a Dream Machine before the year comes by because it IS my dream machine.
System Config in an Aspire TurboServer Case (Aluminum color, similar to Antec w/ Side window):
Gigabyte GA-7VAXP
ThermalTake Volcano 9 CoolMOD H-S/Fan on AMD Athlon 2000+ 1.67 GHz CPU
512 MB 333 MHz PC2700 ValueSelect Corsair CAS 2.5 RAM (2 sticks, 256 ea)
PNY Tech GF4 Ti 4200 64 MB using AGP 4x (mobo can do 8x)
Maxtor 40 GB 7200 RPM ATA133 Hard Drive running Win XP Home Ed.
TDK VeloCD 48x16/24x48 CD-Burner
56x CD-ROM drive
3 Antec Blue LED Fans for System fans
Some cheap-prettythang modem I bought at Wal-Mart that I haven't used yet. :-D (have DSL here.. hehe)
Thought I'd add an image of it just for display purposes (that and showoff.. :-P) Took this about 10 minutes ago. (again.. showoff.)
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Haven't finished building it though - planning to replace the CPU and the Video Card before February 2003, if I have enough money for both of them.
Dream CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2800+ with 333 MHz FSB
Dream VidCard: GeForce FX 5800 or 5800 Ultra ($399 or $499)
I would need to get some more info on the 5800 or 5800 Ultra, see what makes the Ultra any different from 5800, other than the "Ultra" in the name.
If anyone in here has any more information about it (GF FX), please don't hesitate to post in here for that I'll check up on this thread from time to time to see what systems others would crave for.
TIGS
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Hmmm,...(I am going to get cooked for this)...
I am very disappointed in the NV30. Here is why:
1) It is not DX9 compliant. It lacks displacement mapping, which is a requirement for DX9.
2) The marketing hype about the large shaders is just that. NVidia has stated, "While we have large shader support, we do not recommend using large shaders, as they will make games unplayable".
3) They tout the number of color bits through the pipeline, but state, "If you make use of this, it will slow the board down dramatically".
4) Overall performance is only slightly faster than the 9700Pro today which really tosses the NV30 into a poor price/performance postition against the 9700Pro.
If you look past the marketing hype, the chip is really not that great.
Now Booky...here is what I meant by my statement.
The timeframe you have stated puts you in the position of selecting the NV30 based NVidia card or an ATI R350 based card. The R350 (production in March 03) is a souped up version (0.13u) of the current R300 (the 9700Pro). The price of the 9700Pro will drop like a rock and the R350 based card will come in under the NVidia NV30 cards, but be quite a bit faster than the NVidia cards.
One other thing. I have witnessed that people who are pre-disposed to NVidia are usually never happy with anything ATI produces. I cannot explain this, as it really makes no sense to me.
Every little problem ATI has gets blown way out of proportion, and yet when NVidia screws up, no one says a thing. Really odd, even bizarre.
So when you listed the FX card and then followed up complaining about the Radeon, I figured you just might fit in that category (I could be wrong). I have a Radeon (in one of my older systems) and have never had a problem with it.
Both NVidia and ATI make mistakes. No video card company has ever been perfect and they both have problems today in thier drivers.
Personally, I really dislike the trend of releasing video drivers once a month. For some odd reason, the NVidia consumer really thinks this is a good thing and we are now stuck with that mentality. I really feel for software guys that work under that kind of pressure.
So, overall, if someone appears to be pre-disposed to either ATI or NVidia, I would tell them not to change. In the long run they seem to be happier about it.
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I can see why some would be unhappy with ATI. Awhile back...a long while back I bought a Rage Pro Fury 128 card. Top of the line at that time. I installed as directed, and LOL nada, black screen....reboot multi colored screen. Uninstalled, reinstallled NVidia card.....emailed and called tech support. Tried many times to make the ATI card work....best response I got from ATI was reflash the BIOS. Took the ATI card back and have stayed with NVidia ever since. I am on Nvidias mailing list....when new products come out I am one of the first to be offered the product. I was one of the first to have a Ti4600 to use. So I will continue to naturally use NVidia. NVidias support much better IMHO.
Hajo :eek:
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Not dreaming of 2003. My 2001 system (created especially for WB3) is quite adequate for AH - frame rate of 60-80, lowest with damaged airfield in view.
What are the AMD "multi-processors", and what advantages do they offer?
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Booky!
I recently installed new mobo and cpu
ASUSA7V333
Via Chipsets
256 Micron DDR 2100...could run 2700
AthlonXP2400
AthlonXP running at 2.003 according to diagnostics. AMDs' cpus cores oft time run faster then what is advertised.
AthlonXP1600 runs 1.51GHz advertised 1.43Ghz
AthlonXP2400 advertised 1.93Ghz but runs 2.003Ghz
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Dream system:
• Power Mac G4 Dual 1.25GHz w/167MHz system bus
• 2.0GB PC2700 DDR SDRAM - 4 DIMMs
• 4x72GB Ultra160 SCSI - Dual card
• Optical 1 - Apple SuperDrive
• Optical 2 - Combo Drive (DVD/CD-RW)
• NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium dual-display w/128MB DDR
• Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel)
• Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel) + Apple DVI to ADC Adapter
• iPod - 20GB (Mac)
• .Mac (Retail Box)
• Ultra SCSI PCI card & cable adapter
• Apple Pro Speakers
• AirPort Card
• Apple Pro Keyboard - U.S. English
• Mac OS - U.S. English
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Originally posted by Hajo
Booky!
I recently installed new mobo and cpu
ASUSA7V333
Via Chipsets
256 Micron DDR 2100...could run 2700
AthlonXP2400
AthlonXP running at 2.003 according to diagnostics. AMDs' cpus cores oft time run faster then what is advertised.
AthlonXP1600 runs 1.51GHz advertised 1.43Ghz
AthlonXP2400 advertised 1.93Ghz but runs 2.003Ghz
Are you sure your bus-speed is 133MHz ?
Some Mobo-manufacturers have been using slightly faster bus-speeds so their products were getting better performance in tests.
Here's how you can check what type of AMD XP you are using:
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Originally posted by Booky
I just can't see how they rate there chips. I will laugh when the 2GHz Clawhammer kills the 3.06 P4. And don't forget that the P4 doesn't have much room left to go.
Not much room? How about 8GHz. Is that enough for you?
Oh.. and I do believe you'll see new releases from Intel long before you'll see the clawhammer... or at least see it on the market.My only complaint about Intel is their deception of the General public on speed. But I can't really blame them, this is a business they run.:D
Deception on speed? I find that an incredibly ironic statement coming from an AMD supporter.
AKDejaVu
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AK if AMD got $$$ like intel have , then they already rule the world, just chill down , and free advertise for Intel not aloved !:D
Intel sux , just becose you work for them :p :D
ja 8 giga for intel and real performance about 3.5 ??? where is the deal ? a procesor who run fast and doing NOTHING :eek:
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Ah.. minis... excellent post. I didn't undestand a word of it.
Nearest I can tell it translates to:posted by minus
I have as much of a grasp of cpus as I do of the English language.
So far, in this thread, I have responded to "you are so deceived" and "Intel is lying about CPU speed".
When AMD had a 1 GHz PC, speed mattered. When Intel blew by them in the speed departement, performance mattered. One thing is for sure, one of the two companies has stayed consistant... the other has flip-flopped.
As far as the $$$ goes... each company sets their own prices. Though... AMD isn't making less proffit because of what they sell their processors for... they are making less proffit because of how much it costs to make them.
AKDejaVu
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It aint purty but it hits 13000 on 3d mark with air only
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RC51? Isn't that a Gigabyte Board? Looks like it from my view... and what specs did you have on the board that made it hit 13000? Let me know. THanks. ;)
TIGS
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"Not much room? How about 8GHz. Is that enough for you?
ak napoleon"
yes "maier"
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ummmm.... what?
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yes Tigs It is a Gigabyte P4 Titan
I have a P4 2.53 OC to 2.66
1GIG 1066 Rambus
128 Leadtek a250 ultra g-force4600 vid card
Pretty much stock set up.
More stuff on it at my home page
http://www.moto-one-computers.us
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Ahh, Intel version of the Gigabyte.... eww on the Intel - that's cool that you went with Gigabyte.
Now I know why you got those scores on 3dmark :)
ANother shot of my computer.. this time from the inside.
Mobo is of course a Gigabyte GA-7VAXP (KT400)
H-S/Fan is ThermalTake Volcano 9 CoolMOD (two red LEDs and one blue LED wires broke, leaving me with one blue LED.. ah well. hehe)