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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: kanttori on December 13, 2002, 08:30:30 AM
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Finland vs Russia map is now in CT one week. In this evening there are coming plenty of Finns to shoot down all the Red Stars. Are you enough brave to fly Russian fighters?:D
If you are, wellcome to Combat Theater at 18:00 GMT!
Ps. Of course you can fly with Finnish and German planes, too...
;)
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Originally posted by kanttori
Finland vs Russia map is now in CT one week. In this evening there are coming plenty of Finns to shoot down all the Red Stars. Are you enough brave to fly Russian fighters?:D
If you are, wellcome to Combat Theater at 18:00 GMT!
Ps. Of course you can fly with Finnish and German planes, too...
;)
Will try to be up later on you maniac!
Can't wait to see it.
Sakai
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What is the planeset for this setup?
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Historical year 1944 planeset is:
ROOKS/FINLAND:
Bf 109 G2 and G6
FM2 (as Brewster)
Hurricane Mk I
Ju88-A4
C-47
ROOKS/GERMANY:
Bf 109 E and F, G2 and G6
Bf 110 both
FW 190 A5 and F8
Ju88-A4
C-47
BISHOPS/RUSSIA:
La5FN
Yak 9T
P40B and E (Lend Leases)
Hurricane Mk II (Lend Lease)
IL2
Boston III
A20G Havoc
C-47
Almost all planes are skinned to that area.;)
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Originally posted by kanttori
BISHOPS/RUSSIA:
La5FN
Yak 9T
P40B and E (Lend Leases)
Hurricane Mk II (Lend Lease)
IL2
Boston III
A20G Havoc
C-47
Almost all planes are skinned to that area.;)
No Yak 9U?
Sent out call to my squad, friend did same for his, try to get you some nice russian targets.
How does one say good evening CT in Finnish? In fact, could you type up a few finnish words/phrases for us and their english meaning?
Sakai
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yak 9u is late war 44 plane it should NOT be in this
setup..........
EDIT CORRECTED A TYPO :)
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I don't know very much about the Brewster, but why substitute for it with the FM2 instead of the F4F? FM2 is a much better plane than F4F except for guns. Wouldn't the F4F be a closer fit? Was the Brewster used in Finland the same model as the Brewster the US had in the early Pacific, or was it a better variant. My understanding was that the Brewster was a dog that couldn't compete in the Pacific and was withdrawn from service and replaced with the F4F.
Not really a whine, just a question. Also, I hate aircraft substitutions. I know this needs to be done to fill out the planesets but I still don't like it.
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Originally posted by pangea
FM2 is a much better plane than F4F except for guns.
If the Bolsheviks get the 9U, the Finns are going to need all the help they can get.
- oldman
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We've actually talked about the Brewster substitute before. I was somewhat torn on which to use, but decided to take Kanttori's advice to use the FM-2. The Brewster the Finn's used was somewhat different (faster, better climbing, lighter) than the one used by the US. Thus, we (the CT staff) felt the difference in firepower between the F4F and FM2 would be more significant in this set up than the difference in flight performance. Balance wise, we felt it the better choice. Hope that explains it. Thanks.
Sabre
CT Staff
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Heya Sakai,
I flew with the Finns in BoB and they helped me out on some Finnish words..
Good Evning Fine Sir! = Tulta Munille
Dots at 11 O'Clock = Dotteja Kello Yksitoista
" " 1 = Yks
2 = kaksi
3 = Klome
4 = Nelja
5 = Viisi
6 = Kusi
In!! = sasaan
Out!! = Ulos
Hello = Moi
Roger = Selva
If you fly with a Japanese group instead of saying "roger" you say "Hah!"
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Originally posted by 10Bears
Heya Sakai,
I flew with the Finns in BoB and they helped me out on some Finnish words..
Thanks man!
That is sooo cool.
Kanttori, are these real words or is he trying to get me to say I am a homosexual rhinoceros with plaid underpants in Finnish?
Sakai
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Okey Sakai hehehh caught me..
Maybe you don't want to say.. "Tulta Munille" they might want to shoot you in the balls
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The Brewster the Finn's used was somewhat different (faster, better climbing, lighter) than the one used by the US.
WHY? If it was better then why didnt the US keep it and modify it the way the Finns did? The Brewsers from a particular manufactuer were very unreliable and always having machanical problems, which do we have here? So, was the Brewster as tuff as the FM-2? The FM-2 was lighter and not as tuff as the F4F but even in AH, the FM-2 is still a tank!! I doubt it . :(
I vote no subs, if it aint available, dont sub it.
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Originally posted by 10Bears
Okey Sakai hehehh caught me..
Maybe you don't want to say.. "Tulta Munille" they might want to shoot you in the balls
how do you say "lamer ganger dweebs" in finnish?
:D
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how do you say "lamer ganger dweebs" in finnish?
"Hawk" :D
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The Brewster made up a considerable percentage of Finnish fighters available during the war. The FM-2 is without a doubt a superior fighter to the Brewster flown by the Finns, but is still slower than most of the fighters it will be flying against (except for the P-40B and maybe the Hurri-IIC). The Finns did remarkably well with the Brewster; I can't imagine this set up without it represented here. Also, note that it will only be available at historically Finish airfields, which will limit it's impact on the arena.
Sabre
CT Staff
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Thanks for the info Sabre.
The CT has been invaded by the MA. PLease give the map to the MA... :D
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Hello boys and thanks to beeing nice Russian targets you were on friday evening!:D
We Finns enjoyed the evening very much and we are coming in this evening (after 18:00 GMT) to CT arena with much more pilots. Our main Finns aces like WMaker, Vuokko and Mipoikel were on friday evening celebrating "Little XMas" (read "drunken with friends")!
I think I was the most killed pilot yesterday, but it was still plenty of fun try to kill sometimes Russe, too!:D
Thank you Brady and Sabre taking the FinRus map to CT! Let's fight more in the evening!
Couple of Finnish words:
Terve! = Hello!
Hauska nahda sinua! = Nice to see you!
Moi! = Goodbye!
Kurvataistelu = Furball
Mersu = Messerschmitt Bf 109
Junnu = Junkers 88
Bylly Waltteri = BW = Brewster (Budd Walther :-)
Ryssa = Russian
Tsuhna = Finns in Russian language
Sakemanni = German
Ps. I slept 2 hours and now I am in my job! :o
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Hähähähääää Kanttori!
Hyydy siihen! :p
S!
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Hey kanttori. I really like the map but I cant help but complain about the F4F- (FM-2). It really has no place in here. The FM-2 is a much better airplane than the Brewster. Even the so called better, faster Brewster the Fins had. The Brewster was nothing but a pile of junk.
I don't know what model the Fins had but the F2A was a complete dog. The Curtiss prop had a very bad habbit of going into low pitch and become uncontrollable, if you rolled it more than twice or tried to stay upside down, you would loose oil pressure because it was not pressurized. The landing gear hydraulics were a disaster and their was even two "D" rings under the instrument panel to pull to release the gear pins if the gear did not come down, which it did not many times. If that didn't work, you had to cut the cables with cable cutters that were kept in the airplanes. As a matter of fact at one training base, it was standard practice for the fire crew to actually follow the Brewster down the runway, not just sit and watch, due to the extremely high possibility the damn thing would ball up for some reason. No not just because there were students in them. Not only that but the Brewster built F4U Corsairs also had similar problems! Those are just a few of the funny examples but the airplane was a dog and is why they were replaced very fast. They were reduced to trainers (ironic) but faded fast.
If you want to model the Brewster Buffalo for early war, that's fine, model it correctly but it was junk PERIOD and my argument is that the FM-2 has no business being a sub for it. The FM-2 was too damn good. Removing the FM-2 will not hurt or help MY gameplay, it just doesn't belong in there.
Now the guys in Finland who know about the history of thier Buffalo may tell a much different story....lets hear them!
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Hey kanttori. I really like the map but I cant help but complain about the F4F- (FM-2). It really has no place in here. The FM-2 is a much better airplane than the Brewster. Even the so called better, faster Brewster the Fins had. The Brewster was nothing but a pile of junk.
Read this thread until go on, please.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52235
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Thanks joppex, Thats what I am looking for, more info! That is a good post and I am reading it now.
"I" am not saying that it is junk. I should have reworded it. I should have said..." All I read about is it being junk"
Regards,
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Joppex
Thats some good reading and I had no idea the Finns had such a good success rate with it. I guess compared to what they were fighting it against, it was the Zero of Finland!!!
But compared to the Zero itself for the PTO, I guess thats were it met its match. As far as it being a piece of junk, well it looks as if may have been a victom of the "Stereo Type". Pilots didnt like it so they gave it a bad name?
It appears That Boyington was refering to the F2A-3 that was "beefed up" which made it the "dog". Also, I see were only 21 saw combat with the USMC. These had to be the ones Boyington was refering as being the "dogs".
It looks as if the Fin's F2A-1 was the good one.....still reading up on them........if the Finns had been fighting the Zero in the replacement F2A-2, well...hmmmm who knows.
The British ordered 170 F2A-2s for searvice in the far east but proved no match for the Japaneese attackers and soon withdrawn from front line service.
Lookslike the Finns did find a jewel in the Buffalo against the faster, less manueverable Yaks and La's of comparison.
Hats off to those Aces!
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Great job on the Terrain! It is truely incredible! I have been ejoying myself in there!
Impressive! Salute to all who created it!!
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65 players in the CT at the moment. Hop in. :)
Camo