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Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: whels on December 14, 2002, 09:30:54 PM
sooooooooooo  MWs made a big stink about the rooks hiding the CV and left rookland. well well well. classic example hipocracy id say.  look at this little screenshot just 3 mins ago. Rooks CV gone all day, look who is in charge of it keeping it Hiden. lol
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: bj229r on December 14, 2002, 09:35:58 PM
It's the little things that make life worth living;
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: JB66 on December 14, 2002, 09:58:15 PM
HaHaHa... Guess they have borrowed a page from our playbook!!

 Jb66
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: hardwood on December 14, 2002, 11:24:50 PM
whels,what you caught was the mw`s trying to take the cv to a9.  i might add it was against many protest from fellow knits.  a higher ranking player took the  cv from them and kept it hiden..........the only thing i question,since the m.o.l  are rooks this tour,how did you get that screen shot?
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: rod367th on December 14, 2002, 11:28:21 PM
Whels you owe MW's apology.



 Someone else was hiding cv. Mw;s told him to let it go. So they could put it in fight. Not sure but think either Reaper or another mw remove player hidding it. I believe it was jebo44 but I could be wrong on name.

 Whels Have respect for you  but You are wrong. look at cv's path he was putting it into battle. others had it doing circle's at 15.




 And If You came Knight to find cv for rooks I have lost respect for you. Your the one that needs to look in mirror.
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Post by: AKDejaVu on December 15, 2002, 12:26:58 AM
Looks like they're trying to take it up to the fight whels.

AKDejaVu
Title: Re: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: Mw007 on December 15, 2002, 03:01:35 AM
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Originally posted by whels
. classic example hipocracy id say.  


:rolleyes:

I wish I woulda been there to see this one after what happened the last time....

Whels, wasn't it you that was pivate messaging me in the game, and we had a conversation about the whole issue and that you were pretty much in agreement about what happened the other time??

You might want to get your facts straight before you grab your lighter.....btw I thought those things were childproof....hmm
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Post by: Squire on December 15, 2002, 03:05:01 AM
Dont interrupt Whels while hes busy making false accusations, it cramps his style.

Please Whels continue. What did the bad CV do again? No cloaking devices were used I hope?
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: MWHUN on December 15, 2002, 03:12:12 AM
I don’t know why I have to explain myself but I think the screen shot is pretty evident.  Knights were hiding the CV down south behind that little island--when I got on MwDogg asked me to take command and bring the CV out to the fight. I was the highest ranking MW up and I took command of the CV and was sending it up North to the battle -we were attempting to get on the bish main land and that is where the CV was supposed to be heading... admittedly my waypoints don't extend all the way to bish territory but it was only my second time driving a CV in AH.  I was happy that I got the waypoint without touching land and the CV moving. (lol):)

Also I'm sure there are Knights on at the time that can attest that we did this under protest as it was about 50/50 in Knightland on the hide it/use it crowd.

It was interesting that the CV was later sunk right where your screen shot is by that yellow enemy force that is by a11 (on your screen shot)
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Post by: Turbot on December 15, 2002, 03:44:36 AM
Thank god someone else gets to listen to the crap on country channel - this team(a) is doing a community service and should be compensated each and every one :)  Oddly in an entire night, I did not hear a single request or complaint in reference to a CV command.  Shocking!  

(a) edit to read the country these poor freaks last fled to
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Post by: LLv34_Snefens on December 15, 2002, 06:01:41 AM
AHHH, MY EYES, MY PRECIOUS EYES!!

Man, those colors are nasty. Are you color blind since they have to be like that, or is there some other secret to it?

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Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: -ammo- on December 15, 2002, 09:59:52 AM
Why would any country that is not getting pummeled hide the thing?  Use it for pete's sake.  And if you lose it, well you spawn another one if you have your port.
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Post by: mwjayd on December 15, 2002, 10:05:04 AM
I WAS WONDERING IS WHELS  A ROOK? IF SO HOW DOES HE GET THE INFO OF WHO HAD CONTROL OF WHAT IN KNIGHT LAND???? COULD IT BE THAT HE HAS A FRIEND AS A SPY.. ALSO ANYONE THAT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW  THE MW'S, KNOW IF WE CAN USE A CV WE DANG SURE WILL... CAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE SOMEONE AS A SPY TO TELL THE NME WHERE THERE BOATS ARE....THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IF YOU GOT USE IT CAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR IT....>S<  JD
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: whels on December 15, 2002, 11:26:35 AM
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Originally posted by hardwood
whels,what you caught was the mw`s trying to take the cv to a9.  i might add it was against many protest from fellow knits.  a higher ranking player took the  cv from them and kept it hiden..........the only thing i question,since the m.o.l  are rooks this tour,how did you get that screen shot?



lol funny MW had control of it right up till Rooks sunk it with p51s
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Post by: rod367th on December 15, 2002, 11:31:36 AM
whel's Your wrong and a Good man would apologize when he's wrong. Your statement was wrong, but still you do not say i'm sorry.



 Sorry to see you have a Chip on shoulder .
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: AKDejaVu on December 15, 2002, 11:49:38 AM
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Originally posted by whels
lol funny MW had control of it right up till Rooks sunk it with p51s
Ah.. so now its turned into simply making fun of them for the hell of it.

Maybe, before you go any further there, you might want to explain one little thing that's been asked by a few people...

Where'd you get that photo?

Basically, the only thing it suggests is that you have a second account that you used to coordinate an attack on a CV that was well behind enemy lines.  It also suggests that the MW were trying to bring it up north to where the action was.

Basically.. it does make someone look like an ass... just not who you intended.

AKDejaVu
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: X2Lee on December 15, 2002, 12:47:41 PM
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu


Basically, the only thing it suggests is that you have a second account that you used to coordinate an attack on a CV that was well behind enemy lines.  It also suggests that the MW were trying to bring it up north to where the action was.



AKDejaVu


Thats how it looks for sure. Or you switched to spy?
Just saying thats how it looks so far.
Bad form.    :rolleyes:
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: whels on December 15, 2002, 01:32:22 PM
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Ah.. so now its turned into simply making fun of them for the hell of it.

Maybe, before you go any further there, you might want to explain one little thing that's been asked by a few people...

Where'd you get that photo?

Basically, the only thing it suggests is that you have a second account that you used to coordinate an attack on a CV that was well behind enemy lines.  It also suggests that the MW were trying to bring it up north to where the action was.

Basically.. it does make someone look like an ass... just not who you intended.

AKDejaVu


source of photo will not be told. as long as people game the game,  complain about GtG then do it them selves, there will always be spies to stop GtG. and bty A9 was not the frontlines. and the P51 strike was up and otw for CV well before the screen shot was taken.


hehe we(rooks) even told Knits where bish were hiding thier CV13.

whels
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: AKDejaVu on December 15, 2002, 01:34:23 PM
And you're here making fun of others whels.

You are pathetic at best.

AKDejaVu
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: Gixer on December 15, 2002, 01:48:22 PM
I haven't really been following this whole (hide the CV) debate, mainly cause It doesn't interest me. But why does anyone bother hiding a CV anyway? As their very rarely used to their potential imho and too easy to destroy by any suicidal dive bombing Lanc.

When CV's have some decent damage modelling and the suicide dweebs go back to Quake I might start taking some interest.

As for cruisers, I think any Captin who knew he could lose one of his flagships to a 110-G2 strafing it with 30mm would be most upset.



...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: bj229r on December 15, 2002, 02:14:00 PM
The whole POINT of Whel's post was that Nits were OBviously hiding the CV----would have taken 2 hours+ to get it from 21 area to where it was photgraphed--the first night the Most Wanted came over for their Rook visit 007 started quite a row about us hiding a cv whose port had been run over (was either baltic or med. map, cant remember) Most on bbs some time later agreed that hiding cv in such a situation is a tactically wise move---it gets sunk...30 minutes later it's attacking Rook land (with far superior #'s as well, which Rooks often face) And..like Clintons' press defenders, ya'll are attacking Whels instead of commenting on the matter at hand. IT would have taken yet another 1-2 hours to get that cv to someplace where it could have particpated in offensive operations in the north. Again...but for MW's endless open channel diatribes about 'hiding' CV's...noone would have bothered posting this event. Did MW squeak at Nits on open channel all evening about that CV?
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: bowser on December 15, 2002, 03:29:25 PM
Nope.  That was not the point of his post bj229r.  Read it again.

bowser
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: MWHUN on December 15, 2002, 04:19:34 PM
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Originally posted by bj229r
The whole POINT of Whel's post was that Nits were OBviously hiding the CV----would have taken 2 hours+ to get it from 21 area to where it was photgraphed--the first night the Most Wanted came over for their Rook visit 007 started quite a row about us hiding a cv whose port had been run over (was either baltic or med. map, cant remember) Most on bbs some time later agreed that hiding cv in such a situation is a tactically wise move---it gets sunk...30 minutes later it's attacking Rook land (with far superior #'s as well, which Rooks often face) And..like Clintons' press defenders, ya'll are attacking Whels instead of commenting on the matter at hand. IT would have taken yet another 1-2 hours to get that cv to someplace where it could have particpated in offensive operations in the north. Again...but for MW's endless open channel diatribes about 'hiding' CV's...noone would have bothered posting this event. Did MW squeak at Nits on open channel all evening about that CV?


Did you even read my post before you started spewing?:rolleyes:
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: Mw007 on December 15, 2002, 04:26:04 PM
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Originally posted by bj229r
The whole POINT of Whel's post was that Nits were OBviously hiding the CV----would have taken 2 hours+ to get it from 21 area to where it was photgraphed--the first night the Most Wanted came over for their Rook visit 007 started quite a row about us hiding a cv whose port had been run over (was either baltic or med. map, cant remember) Most on bbs some time later agreed that hiding cv in such a situation is a tactically wise move---it gets sunk...30 minutes later it's attacking Rook land (with far superior #'s as well, which Rooks often face) And..like Clintons' press defenders, ya'll are attacking Whels instead of commenting on the matter at hand. IT would have taken yet another 1-2 hours to get that cv to someplace where it could have particpated in offensive operations in the north. Again...but for MW's endless open channel diatribes about 'hiding' CV's...noone would have bothered posting this event. Did MW squeak at Nits on open channel all evening about that CV?


You also might want to get your facts straight about things before grabbing the childproof lighter. (I still can't understand how some of you can get those lighters to work)
I was NOT the MW making any mention on ANY open channel about the CV the first OR THE LAST night MW went to Rook.

I did make a comment on the BBS about hiding CV's as the CO of our squad explained but some were "bored" w/ the strat talk. (That post is obviously dead and old news)

Again, I wasnt here this last time w/ the CV issue, but from what I see that has been posted. OTHER KNIGTS were possibly hiding the CV for some time BEFORE MWHUN took command.

Whels' thread is a blatent ATTACK on MW..... READ THE FRIGGIN TITLE OF THE POST...THAT IS THE MATTER AT HAND.
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: Mw007 on December 15, 2002, 04:32:06 PM
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Originally posted by whels
hehe we(rooks) even told Knits where bish were hiding thier CV13.

whels



...and you're proud of that??? :rolleyes:
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: bj229r on December 15, 2002, 06:17:34 PM
? i was there that night....was a REAL big stink..which caused the bbs thread followin day..which is why Whels posted the screen shot--wouldnt have been any point to it otherwise..since EVERYone hides cv..HOWever...I obviously cant tell what transpired in between rooks capturing port and the screenshot gettn taken---Apparently there werent any MW on for those 2-3 hours
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: bj229r on December 15, 2002, 06:18:27 PM
besides..gentlemen don't SPEW..we 'pontificate'
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Post by: AKDogg on December 15, 2002, 06:45:13 PM
To end this debate, I was complainin on OPEN CHANNEL to the knights about hidin the CV.  I can't remember who it was i was debatin with that night about hidin it.  That screen shoot u got was when Hun just logged on and since he had a rank of 78 i believe at the time, I told him to take control from the hidin individual and send it into battle up north.  BTW, we are suppose to be adults here, why we acting like kids about the CV thing.  Growup people.

Dogg
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Post by: aztec on December 15, 2002, 06:46:26 PM
get over it
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Post by: rod367th on December 15, 2002, 07:06:02 PM
Well the only thing this post proves is Whel's aka Mol's need to Cheat. Now thats a shame. Hun doesn't look dumb only you do. I'm glad your proud of cheating wtg.






When you were a knight whels and needed help you privated me and squad came for you. I can't speak for entire squad but I for 1 will not help you again. I Do not like guys who cheat or can't say sorry when they are wrong, When you were completly off base on MwHUN.
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Post by: MwVols on December 15, 2002, 07:10:58 PM
Simple Solution for CV hiding
If a country take over the Port the CV automatically goes to that country, in the location it is in.

Whels, I hope fellow rooks dont lose respect for you like the few on this discussion are.
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: whels on December 15, 2002, 07:41:13 PM
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Originally posted by rod367th
Well the only thing this post proves is Whel's aka Mol's need to Cheat. Now thats a shame. Hun doesn't look dumb only you do. I'm glad your proud of cheating wtg.






When you were a knight whels and needed help you privated me and squad came for you. I can't speak for entire squad but I for 1 will not help you again. I Do not like guys who cheat or can't say sorry when they are wrong, When you were completly off base on MwHUN.


do u have proof of a cheat?  does not AH allow country change with a 12 hour limit like HT programmed it? did i change AH in anyway to change countries (if i did)? changing countries is with in AH's programmed limits is not cheating.  

make u look more a fool then u even think i am lol.


and Vols if i needed respect from AH pilots  to have fun, then id quit playing online.  if u respect me or not i dont care.

people here who meet me in person or known me long time, is all i care about.

whels
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: whels on December 15, 2002, 07:43:04 PM
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Originally posted by MwVols
Simple Solution for CV hiding
If a country take over the Port the CV automatically goes to that country, in the location it is in.

Whels, I hope fellow rooks dont lose respect for you like the few on this discussion are.


na too soon. give CVs current owns 2 or so hours to use it, then if it wasnt sunk by then, then respawn it at port to new owners.

use it cause ur gona lose it.

whels
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Post by: rod367th on December 15, 2002, 10:35:25 PM
Wow this must not be whels' this guy is to dumb. Maybe its someone pretending to be whels'. Because never knew whels to be like this.
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Post by: Saurdaukar on December 15, 2002, 10:47:54 PM
Wait a minute... you started a thread on the BBS about this?  









:rolleyes:
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: Lazerus1 on December 16, 2002, 02:59:05 AM
The sad thing is the whole thing started with the Most Wanted getting pissed that their cv of choice was getting pulled out of the action, while there was anothere cv about 10 miles away. It happened on the ndisles map, just north of p14. The enemy cv (c13) had been captured, and they made this the base for their squad night. The Rook cv (c61???) was right next to it. Someone on the Rook country decided to take c13 away from the action, with c61 being right there. Some people had an isssue with it and the most wanted(????) left the rooks because of it.

All I can say is that if the MW left Rookland because the cv they wanted was taken away from them, while another was 10 miles away, then Rookland suffered no great loss.

As far as the cv being hidden thats referred to in this thread, I could care less who sent it there, the hypocrits that left a country because of the same thing had controll of it, they should have all been bish by then.
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Post by: Lazerus1 on December 16, 2002, 03:00:05 AM
CV :D
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Post by: Conagher on December 16, 2002, 06:58:06 AM
Whels the fact that you have that screen shot to show off speaks volumes about your integerity, add that to the fact that you also were able to report the position of the bish cv equals that your complaint holds no water with me.

   I have flown both with and against the Most Wanted for a long time, both here in Aces High and in Air Warrior. I have known both Doody, JayD, Cat and a few others for years now, the rest I have flown quite a bit with here, Kazz, Rev, 007 to name a few. As I understand it, the MW went to rookland to try and balance the numbers in the MA, things did not work out so they came back to the Knights, your post to me is nothing more than sour grapes.

  In the future if you are going to post about the possible shady dealings of a squadron, you might not want to use a screenshot taken from your rival country and claim it as you own, or brag about knowing the whereabouts of the other countries CV as well. Kinda looks bad from far away........but that's just me?

  All I know is if there is a scrap some where late of a night, there is usually elements of the MW and the El Cartel (my squadron) right in the middle of it. Like I said before I (and my squadron) have flown both against them and with them, and it sure is a hell of a lot eaiser when they are flying with us than against us.

nuff said


Conn
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Post by: Widewing on December 16, 2002, 08:29:17 AM
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Originally posted by Lazerus1
The sad thing is the whole thing started with the Most Wanted getting pissed that their cv of choice was getting pulled out of the action, while there was anothere cv about 10 miles away. It happened on the ndisles map, just north of p14. The enemy cv (c13) had been captured, and they made this the base for their squad night. The Rook cv (c61???) was right next to it. Someone on the Rook country decided to take c13 away from the action, with c61 being right there. Some people had an isssue with it and the most wanted(????) left the rooks because of it.

All I can say is that if the MW left Rookland because the cv they wanted was taken away from them, while another was 10 miles away, then Rookland suffered no great loss.

As far as the cv being hidden thats referred to in this thread, I could care less who sent it there, the hypocrits that left a country because of the same thing had controll of it, they should have all been bish by then.


I was also there and agree that CV61 was close by and could have been used.

However, at that point in the game, there was no compelling reason to hide CV13. We had the port, we had the numbers and were on the offensive. Holding P-14 isn't especially difficult as the nearest enemy base is 1.5 sectors distant. Yet, we had two carriers there and A10 is just 15 miles north. Indeed, the biggest threat was from GVs, and they can be handled with just a few defenders.

I have frequently disagreed with the MWs on use of a captured CV where the port is already lost, or we are being pushed back. However, in this instance, there was no harm in using it. Even if the port had been lost right away, there's little threat to the captured CV simply because there are no fields nearby. This means that the enemy must launch a large, long-range mission to sink it. Exactly what they would have do if the CV had run north a sector. Believe me, someone will tell them where it is anyway.

In this case, there was just too much acrimony on both sides of the debate.

My regards,

Widewing
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Post by: gofaster on December 16, 2002, 10:29:57 AM
I think we need more CVs.  Maybe 2 per group.  And more ports.

And more vehicle hangars. 1 for small airfields, 2 for medium, 3 for large airfields.  And stand-alone vehicle bases should have 3 or 4 vehicle hangars each.
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Post by: whels on December 16, 2002, 10:55:09 AM
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Originally posted by Conagher
Whels the fact that you have that screen shot to show off speaks volumes about your integerity, add that to the fact that you also were able to report the position of the bish cv equals that your complaint holds no water with me.

   I have flown both with and against the Most Wanted for a long time, both here in Aces High and in Air Warrior. I have known both Doody, JayD, Cat and a few others for years now, the rest I have flown quite a bit with here, Kazz, Rev, 007 to name a few. As I understand it, the MW went to rookland to try and balance the numbers in the MA, things did not work out so they came back to the Knights, your post to me is nothing more than sour grapes.

  In the future if you are going to post about the possible shady dealings of a squadron, you might not want to use a screenshot taken from your rival country and claim it as you own, or brag about knowing the whereabouts of the other countries CV as well. Kinda looks bad from far away........but that's just me?

  All I know is if there is a scrap some where late of a night, there is usually elements of the MW and the El Cartel (my squadron) right in the middle of it. Like I said before I (and my squadron) have flown both against them and with them, and it sure is a hell of a lot eaiser when they are flying with us than against us.

nuff said


Conn
 

ahh so u can access my email and know if  i got this in email or not?

ahhh u can also access my radio traffic n know if i reported its position?

interesting. lol try again u assuming stuff u have no idea about lol
Title: Re: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: AtmkRstr on December 16, 2002, 12:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by whels
sooooooooooo  MWs made a big stink about the rooks hiding the CV and left rookland. well well well. classic example hipocracy id say.  look at this little screenshot just 3 mins ago. Rooks CV gone all day, look who is in charge of it keeping it Hiden. lol


That screenshot shows only that MwHUN is moving the CV OUT of hidding.
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Post by: SlapShot on December 16, 2002, 02:25:22 PM
What the picture proves is:

Knights own C41 which spawns from P14, and the CV Group that spawns from P21. Can't see the number of that CV Group but it is positioned just north of P21.

Knights own BOTH P14 and P21

C41 has sailed north (1 1/2 sectors) half-way thru its first waypoint starting in 14.6.9 (which probably WAS its hiding spot UNTIL MwHUN got ahold of it)

So ..

If Knights own both ports and CV Groups, then there really is no HIDING involved, just stupidity ... taking a CV out of action when there is no threat to its spawing port.

Even if P14 were to be taken, it would be a matter of minutes before it was re-captured. Knights own A10 and A11, and spawing GVs from A15 to P14 is a snap !!! so there would be no cause to HIDE IT at this stage of the game.

What this picture does prove is :

Whels has a Knight Spy ...

or

Whels has a second account ...

or

Whels has a hair across his bellybutton for the Most Wanted ...

BUT is by no means proves that the Most Wanted were hiding a CV ... nice try :rolleyes:
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Post by: muckmaw on December 16, 2002, 02:27:35 PM
I don't think I've ever since a thread boomerang on the originator so drastically before.

Way to go, Whels!
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Post by: whels on December 16, 2002, 02:37:41 PM
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I don't think I've ever since a thread boomerang on the originator so drastically before.

Way to go, Whels!


always the way of hipocrites n liars  to try and throw blame the other way. even when proof is right in thier face. but bothers me
none :)
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Post by: muckmaw on December 16, 2002, 02:47:27 PM
I'm trying to see it from your point of view. I honestly am. But the CV is heading INTO battle.

The CV is already well on it's way there. The picture does not show who put the CV there in the first place, so we must assume it was the MW that were moving it into battle, not away from it. There is nothing in that picture that tells us the MW put the CV in the hiding spot. Quite the contrary.

Now, on the other hand, you've got a screenshot you should not have. By all acounts, you should have no knowlege of the location of the CV, much less a real time picture of an enemy map.

Also according to your words, it sounds like you were watching the movements of the CV all day. Perhaps you just noticed it was missing so we'll let that one go. But you said you got that screenshot 3 minutes prior to posting it. Now that leads me to believe you've got a really good spy network, or a second account, or your flipping sides to get informaiton you should not have.

I'm not trying to bash you, Whels. But for all intents and purposes, I cannot see how this proves anyone's malfeasance but your own.
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Post by: BlckMgk on December 16, 2002, 02:54:20 PM
Hate to actually drag this thread along, because its utter nonesense, but wouldn't the CV group out p14, be named C13? Or is this something they programed because C13 was taken by an airfield a13? I've never noticed if p14 spawns c41 just wondering.

-BlckMgk
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Post by: Turbot on December 16, 2002, 03:02:35 PM
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
Hate to actually drag this thread along, because its utter nonesense, but wouldn't the CV group out p14, be named C13? Or is this something they programed because C13 was taken by an airfield a13? I've never noticed if p14 spawns c41 just wondering.

-BlckMgk


That is the CV from the west country port 40.  They are sailing it away from the rooks.

Looks like to me if they wanted action with it, the closest enemy is the other direction.  Where the red line starts is where this course plot originated.    

These guys cause controversy wherever they go, this just the latest example.  Trust me, it will happen again :)
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: Stang on December 16, 2002, 03:20:02 PM
Geez Whels, I've always known you to be very opinionated but always thought you were a good guy, but this is a shame sir, this one really did blow up in your face :( The posted picture does show the cv moving back into action.  Suck it up and just apologize.  You'll get those MW's sometime, trust me :)
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: SlapShot on December 16, 2002, 03:20:12 PM
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Originally posted by whels
always the way of hipocrites n liars  to try and throw blame the other way. even when proof is right in thier face. but bothers me
none :)


Thats the point Whels ...

That picture proves nothing in regards to your assertion that the MWs' were hiding the CV ... it rather disproves your assertion.

It DOES prove that you ARE "GAMING THE GAME" !!!

Turbot ...

That may be, but wouldn't it take DAYS to sail it that far ? Still does not prove that the MWs' were hiding the CV ... also (in that picture) where the hell is the CV Group that would spawn from P14 ? Was some other country hiding that one ? I would not have sailed that CV Group south either. The CV Group from P21 is down south to support that area. I would have sailed it north also, to support the A9 and A10 sectors .. those 2  bases are very key on that map.
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: MWHUN on December 16, 2002, 03:46:23 PM
Nice observations Turbot but...

The knights were fighting a holding action against the rooks and already had the support of a CV group just N of a19-the CV was out of P21.

We had no CV group up North because our CV group (P14) was being hidden by the Bish.

The main battle was fought between bish and knights and we (MW and 367th) had just taken a53.  The next push was to the bish mainland.  Bish were upping heavily to defend their airfield and strat targets.  The CV was moving up to provide support for that purpose.


"These guys cause controversy wherever they go, this just the latest example. Trust me, it will happen again "

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but sesshhh you don’t even know us to make that comment-but like I said we are not looking to get in a pissin' contest. So I will leave you with an
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: Mw007 on December 16, 2002, 04:03:10 PM
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Originally posted by whels
always the way of hipocrites n liars  to try and throw blame the other way. even when proof is right in thier face. but bothers me
none :)


If it bothers you none, why the post? :rolleyes:
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: AKDogg on December 16, 2002, 04:08:07 PM
That is why I told HUN to take control and move it north to support A9, A10 area.  I think it time to end this thread because it is really gettin rediculas on this subject.  And to sum things up on why we left rooks is because the lack of organization.  The CV thing just helped our decision to move back to Knight land.  This whole reason for MW movin back to knights because of the CV is getting blown out of proportion.:p

And as for Whels, I have lost respect for you after that post.  As far as I am conserned, Your greed for winning the the top 15 is overcome you.

Nuff said, now lets end this rediculis thread about CV's

MwDogg:D
Title: good grief!!!
Post by: DOODY on December 16, 2002, 07:01:25 PM
lol.. there were so many messages trying to sling mud I stopped reading..

-=MW=- official response:

Our squad of 20+ functions as a tactical fighter squadron.  We do not hide from fights, we win them.  There are times when a boat should be hidden. When you have 10-20 squadmates in the air , those times are few and far between.

Out of respect for the rules of AH, we acknowledge team rank leadership, however, a position of true command must be earned by more than just a score and the ability to take over a TG.

We feel that ANY squad wing that requests the use of a CV should be granted, unless the loss of the CV poses and iminent threat to the team as a whole, at which point a viable stratagy should be issued.
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 my personal thoughts..

The problem with being rook is: with 20 guys circling the CV.. some highranked weenie will most always hide it w/o ever even looking out the window or inquireing about the plan.  After losing several TG's mid-mission to paniced or uninformed rook leaders, "I" decided the seriousness of the degraded fun-factor outweighed any (and there were many) requests to move/stay in rook land in an effort to balance power and numbers.

The problem with being bish: They've got a strong team. They are good enemy. So the problem would be screwing the #'s and fronts. ( they could work on their welcome a bit though).

The problem with being Knight: Too many, but it seems to be because we have more fun, are better organized, and more respectfull of each other. Since the Knights are so welcoming of newbies, we tend to have high #'s, but the crowd is usually full of rookies.  I will take good guys that suck over suckers that are good any day!

 Also, w/ few I have lost a couple CV's to paniced knights, but unlike rook, they have always returned it upon being informed of -=MW=-'s pan. WTG knight Command!

 As for Whels. I must admit im suprised and disappointed in your smear campaign. Your doing a fine job of clarifying the type of reasoning that made us want to leave rook in the first place.
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: guttboy on December 16, 2002, 07:19:51 PM
Ok Ok....I may not understand all this HIDING the CV thing...but how does this prove that Whels is Cheating?  Can anyone answer that?

If he wanted to couldnt he just switch countries to see where it is and take the snapshot?

Could someone have announced on open channel that the cv was moving by accident?

Just some questions......:)
Title: cheaters just waste time
Post by: DOODY on December 16, 2002, 07:29:17 PM
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Originally posted by guttboy
Ok Ok....I may not understand all this HIDING the CV thing...but how does this prove that Whels is Cheating?  Can anyone answer that?

If he wanted to couldnt he just switch countries to see where it is and take the snapshot?

Could someone have announced on open channel that the cv was moving by accident?

Just some questions......:)


it was likely sent to him by some disgruntled rook/defector that is also stalkin -=MW=-
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: guttboy on December 16, 2002, 07:33:23 PM
Ok Doody,

But why is that a problem?  I think I am just missing the whole point of this discussion.

I guess I just dont understand...if you own the CV you can do what you want with it.  If MWHun wants to send it off the map and he has the rank to do it so be it.

Of course Id like to have that cv and be able to use it but if I dont have the rank then I cant do a darn thing about it.
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: DrDea/Kvorkian on December 16, 2002, 07:59:18 PM
Ahh the old hide the CV story.We have this discussion about every 6 months.The bish were real good at that at one time.Hideing CV's that we owned the port to just so that if it was taken by force sometime in the next 8 hours we would still have the cv HAHAHAHAHAHA.Children hideing the toys.As far as Im concerned if you hide a cv even if ya lose the port your a maggot.Someone will disclose the position,I did,or if yours is hid someone from your country will disclose the position.Flying Circus allways had someone that would tell us where it was.Guess thats cause the squad earned respect.Score wont get ya respect.Treating your enimies with a modicum of fairness will.But the weinies will hide them and then the other sides will follow suite.:rolleyes:
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: rod367th on December 16, 2002, 10:40:09 PM
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Originally posted by whels
always the way of hipocrites n liars  to try and throw blame the other way. even when proof is right in thier face. but bothers me
none :)





 Only thing you showed whels was Mwhun putting cv into batlle. Then tried to force it down everyones throat that they were hiding it. Only person not getting it is YOU.  

 Only liar on this thread is you. and the proof is in your screen shot.





    Now my big question for you Why do You envy Mw's so much that you have to try to flame them and post out and out lies? They are a great bunch of guys, that fly well together. Not all my kinda of people but 99% great guys. But I don't envy them enough to try to slander them. Thats what insecure people do to make themselves feel better,About themselves. They Slander belittle and lie to try to make others look as bad as them. But Normal people can see thru this behavior, And you look real  insecure.
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: DrDea/Kvorkian on December 16, 2002, 11:23:09 PM
Score envy maby?
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: MwVols on December 17, 2002, 12:47:55 AM
Hey Rooks 1 question: If someone has two account and keeps their score low by way of vulch fest on his or her second account, would you feel cheated if it was a fellow rook doing it? Evidence is in clear view and someones Cheating you and I out of the prizes the same. I would keep an eye where they go.
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: guttboy on December 17, 2002, 01:12:08 AM
MWVols,

I dont think that this is a "Rook" issue at all if thats what you are getting at.  If someone wants to "Cheat" by having the two accounts then there really isnt anything we can do about it I suppose.  And if it is happening I am sure it is being done on all sides.
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: 4ACES on December 17, 2002, 02:47:52 AM
I don't appreciate being called a weenie DOODY.


I believe I was commanding the CV the night you are speaking of and with another CV so close there was no tactical reason to keep it in harms way. And If you were used to fighting as under manned as rooks were during that time frame you should have understood the tactic.  

IMO unless you are about to reset the enemy it is far better to hide the CV. In reset situations I don't think I have ever seen a CV make any difference. (Usually another land base is quickly taken on the mainland and being that the CV is so slow it ends up being a non factor in the reset.)

The fact of the matter is when that enemy CV is hidden it frees up man power from having to defend and retake bases that the CV will be hitting every 30 to 45 mins.  Example A9 and A10 the map whels showed. With the enemy CV out of the way the enemy has to fly a goon over 2.5 sectors to get there. Makes it much more difficult to capture. Unless we have a huge numerical advantage and no other base close to lift from I will always hide the CV.
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: bj229r on December 17, 2002, 07:20:06 AM
to re-iterate..the ONLY reason ANY of this got started was the pissing match between MW (I thought it was 007, apologies if i was wrong)..and the Rooks in general..on the first night or two after they came over to help out (month or so ago? just after AK's started the trend) we were soundly told 'no wonder we never win' doin such inane things as hiding cv after port lost---(ok..THAT and usally being outnumbered by 50 pilots on each side..MANY  of whom had defected in recent months) a new squad coming over, immediately taking such an attitude...riles people, especially as we Rooks had ALL been making a concerted effort to organize as a country and make the most of our limited resources, as well as STOP the in-fighting with each other..blaming, etc on open channel.(When ya get yer butt kicked night after night, ya have to put yer mind in the proper place)  ANYhow, apparently a similar incident happened the LAST night the MW's were Rook, with same results.
Even if Hun had nothing to do with hiding the CV...gotta admit..pretty good copy..heeh
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: SLO on December 17, 2002, 09:00:38 AM
Most Wanted Sucks......cause there Knights and Doody is the leader:D


MOLs suck cause there Rooks and well there Rooks:D

Whels sucks cause he games the game the best:p

he's the only person to EVER shoot down my panzer at max. distance with a MANNABLE ACK GUN.....christ sake I couldn't even see the damn ack gun...took 6 pings at max. distance....whels reply....I aimed for the turret.....bahahaha at max. distance all you can see is the DAMN tank..never mind the turret:eek:

yes whels...that day is still haunting me....I still can get that an ack gun shots farther than a tank...go figure that 1 out:mad: :eek:
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: MwTW9 on December 19, 2002, 04:36:17 PM
2 Cents:)
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: Vermillion on December 20, 2002, 07:07:41 AM
Ahhhh...... is the poor little *Mean Old Ladies* talking trash about the MW's? ;) Or is Whels, having a discussion/arguement/name calling contest with one MW?

Lets not make this into a Squad v Squad pissing match.  Its not productive for either side.
Title: the Rook Hiding the CV, MWs LOL!
Post by: AKDogg on December 20, 2002, 02:16:36 PM
lol, I agree.  Stop the fuggin nonsense.

MwDogg:rolleyes: