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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lonewolf1 on March 20, 2001, 10:50:00 PM
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Tonight (3/20) I logged on hoping to do battle. And what I saw astounded me. A brave knight went forth in his modern steed to do battle. Tank against tank. Skill against skill. This knight, who shall go nameless to preserve his modesty, had valiantly slain an amazing 35 enemy. In fact, this noble soul killed me more than once, faster than I could even blink. And how did he do this you may ask? By, of course, charging up to where I appeared, and cut me down before I could even ready my horse. And who says honor and chivalry are dead.
Come on. Camping the GV spawn point and killing the other team before they can even start the engine is LAME. Its no better than flying off the map to bomb. HTC, can you set it up in the next release so that GV's will appear a small random distance away from the zone point?
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I agree with the suggestion,
but you were the 'tard who kept spawning in front of him. I bet it was about 3 people who died 35 times
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Wellcome in the jungle (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Jokes apart spawning is like car-bombing, off-map travelling and ... buff-Browning (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Really, I cant understand why a Lancaster pilot has to grab alt for, say, 20 minutes and a GV driver can pop up 500yds from an enemy field just clicking on a button ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Spawn from somewhere else...Dweebing Spawn point camping is less dweeby than Spawn point camping whining (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
<starts running>
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MASS/SAW
(http://saintaw.cyberspace.be/saw_typh.gif) (http://saintaw.cyberspace.be/ff/)
"I am distracted when I talk to my privates".
Wobble
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 03-21-2001).]
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You should have done what everyone was telling you to do online...up from somewhere else. I do agree it'd be nice if the spawn points were randomized a bit though.
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ok that's no different that parking fleet by spawn point and using 88's to cover your attack .I spawned and got killed 5 times (good shooting twist and booky) WHY DO YOU GUYS WHINE SO MUCH , oops forgot , most in here are in elementary school , btw It was 41 kills at spawn point
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I bet back in the good old days real knights were not stupid enough to die repeatedly by the same way but thought ways to avoid it.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87D, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Geeeeeez Jochen , you must be OLD (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Saw
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Its merely a FLESH wound !!!!
*uh oh.. I've started it again*
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Random spawning location would do no good with the keen sight that most of AH tankers have, you'd just have to wait another 5 sec longer to die...the only way this would work is if the random spawn was more than 2 miles away. Trust me on this one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
Its merely a FLESH wound !!!!
*uh oh.. I've started it again*
You're a loony.
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Just grab a chog and go toast his butt, then you can hear him whine about turbo-lasers.
Shamus
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Whats a chog again? I actualy using the yak 9-t for anti GV. (unless that is the nickname for the chog, and I did not realize it.).
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It's the Blue one without the yellow nose
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Why did I have a feeling that this crap was gonna be on here this morning? I believe this community has become extremely predictable. Many people told you over and over to just quit spawning there, and you ignored them and consequently gave one of the MAW members 30-something perk points fer yer stupidity. I guess the bright side is that you helped him run outta ammo and when he exited his tank, his VH was down and he couldnt start his streak again.
I have no doubt that with the "determination" that you were showing last night, he could have racked up another 30 kill streak.
By the way, I was 2 of those kills....I was thinking he might just about be outta ammo and I decided to test him. I was wrong.
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Sling322
Not a Monitor!
Fat Drunk Bastards
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Originally posted by Saintaw:
It's the Blue one without the yellow nose
I'd like to comment on that, but this thread may be read by some that may be offended. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by sling322:
Why did I have a feeling that this crap was gonna be on here this morning? I believe this community has become extremely predictable. Many people told you over and over to just quit spawning there, and you ignored them and consequently gave one of the MAW members 30-something perk points fer yer stupidity. I guess the bright side is that you helped him run outta ammo and when he exited his tank, his VH was down and he couldnt start his streak again.
Ok pal, lets get some facts straight. He killed me about 4 or 5 times, not the 30 that you claim. I was _HOPING_ that I would have a chance to at least move out of the way, or shoot back, or something. But no, I'd be moving to the spawnpoint, and even before I'd get into the tank I would be moving back to the tower.
How can you just accept this type of behavior as if it was nothing wrong? This is an abuse of the game, not using skill or decent tactics. I don't complain about being vulched in an aircraft trying to depart, because at least I have some chance to get off the ground if I'm smart (taking off right from the hanger for one). One person holding up a ground assault because he has the spawn point targeted is unfair, unrealistic, and detracts from the fun and the challenge of the game.
And one final FYI. This is not a personal whine. This is a complaint about a (IMHO) legitimate abuse of the game that HTC should take a look at when they can.
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What part is considered abuse of the game? The part where someone sat in a tank waiting for the enemy to appear, or the part where the enemy repeatedly died and then instantly respawned in a new tank?
Next time, I suggest you take this up with the other pilots that contributed to the streak. Maybe figure out a better plan next time.
In the ammount of time it takes one tank to destroy 36, a b-26 could have flown there and bombed him into the next century.
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 03-21-2001).]
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Hehe, the first person I ever saw 'abusing' the system was the creator, HiTech...no, abuse of the game would be hacking it, this is a feature that folks like to exploit. Like the poster up above said, you spawned more than once, shame on you...when you died, a big neon sign should have gone off in your head saying 'DO NOT ENTER, THIS SPAWN IS CLOSED'...it's comparible to bombing the VH out.
I'd like to add that skill and tactics are both valid, he had the skill to find a spot where you could not shoot back, and he could kill you first...and...the tactic is still in use today in any tank battlefield, its called 'diggin in' and 'element of surprise'. Camoflage works too when you are a sprung- trap- waiting- to-happen, but we don't have that luxury...yet.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-21-2001).]
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LW,
All vehicles have a start-up sequence that takes about as long as reloading another 75mm rnd on a PNZR.
If the spawn point is camped the only limiting factor is the ammo in the campers vehicle.
Once you have determined a camper (two instant deaths in a row is usually a good indicator), grab a Chog or anything with bombs and rockets and kill the camper.
The fact that someone fed a camper 30+ kills is just as funny as camping itself.
Y
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
What part is considered abuse of the game? The part where someone sat in a tank waiting for the enemy to appear, or the part where the enemy repeatedly died and then instantly respawned in a new tank?
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 03-21-2001).]
I believe someone did bomb him after I started talking about it on the channels. Why do I consider it an abuse? Because it is using game mechanics (The exact location of the spawn point) to have an unreasonable and unfair advantage. Like flying off the map to bomb is an abuse of the game, I think this is too. If he really wanted to stop GV's from comming in, he should have gotten into a plane and bombed our VH out. Thats more realistic and sporting for every one.
As it was, he was able to stop a GV assault not by skill, but by exploiting a function of the game.
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Originally posted by Yeager:
LW,
All vehicles have a start-up sequence that takes about as long as reloading another 75mm rnd on a PNZR.
If the spawn point is camped the only limiting factor is the ammo in the campers vehicle.
Once you have determined a camper (two instant deaths in a row is usually a good indicator), grab a Chog or anything with bombs and rockets and kill the camper.
The fact that someone fed a camper 30+ kills is just as funny as camping itself.
Y
You are overlooking a fairly basic point. I should not HAVE to do that because someone has the spawn point camped. Now, I have no problem with people waiting around the zone area and attempting to kill the enemy fairly quickly after they appear. That at least gives the other person a chance. And I will even admit that I probably not have given him that many free kills, (5 or 6) and next time I will know better. Still, I stand by my previous comments that this is gaming the game.
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LOL!
Lonewolfe, I haven't experienced alot of situations where someone drove to a spawn point and just waited for someone to finally spawn.
Usually it is preceded by some kind of attack in wich a panzer moves towards the spawn point killing vehicles as he goes. Finally he gets close enough to the spawn point that he can actually nail them just as they spawn.
If you think there is no skill involved in that, then you are sadly mistaken.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
LOL!
Lonewolfe, I haven't experienced alot of situations where someone drove to a spawn point and just waited for someone to finally spawn.
Usually it is preceded by some kind of attack in wich a panzer moves towards the spawn point killing vehicles as he goes. Finally he gets close enough to the spawn point that he can actually nail them just as they spawn.
If you think there is no skill involved in that, then you are sadly mistaken.
AKDejaVu
Oh, getting there would take some skill, I agree. However my point is the actual fact of sitting at the spawn point and killing people as they try to appear shows a lack of skill, and a lack of fair gameplay.
[This message has been edited by lonewolf1 (edited 03-21-2001).]
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The only other thing I have heard suggested is to allow some level of randomness to the spawn. Say we spawn at 5 ransomly chosein small points within a 500 meter square.
Perhaps this would at least give someone a chance to bring a turret to bear on the camper.
I cant think of any other alternative other than just stop upping at a camped spawn point and grab a fighter/bomber and go back and kill the SOB.
Gaming the game IS the game. Utilizing the sim is a whole different matter.
Y
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Originally posted by lonewolf1:
Ok pal, lets get some facts straight. He killed me about 4 or 5 times, not the 30 that you claim. I was _HOPING_ that I would have a chance to at least move out of the way, or shoot back, or something. But no, I'd be moving to the spawnpoint, and even before I'd get into the tank I would be moving back to the tower.
How can you just accept this type of behavior as if it was nothing wrong? This is an abuse of the game, not using skill or decent tactics. I don't complain about being vulched in an aircraft trying to depart, because at least I have some chance to get off the ground if I'm smart (taking off right from the hanger for one). One person holding up a ground assault because he has the spawn point targeted is unfair, unrealistic, and detracts from the fun and the challenge of the game.
And one final FYI. This is not a personal whine. This is a complaint about a (IMHO) legitimate abuse of the game that HTC should take a look at when they can.
Number 1....I ain't yer pal, bucko!! Number 2...why dont you switch to knits? (you whine enough fer it) And number 3....the guy in question had to fight his way through 5 ground vehicles to get to the spawn point in the first place. If 5 of you morons couldnt kill him on his way there then he deserves every single kill that you dim-witted respawners gave to him. End of story. I didnt say that you were the one to give him 35 kills....in fact I even said that I gave him 2 of them hoping he was outta ammo. The difference between me and you in this situation was that I was smart enough to quit spawning there and take a fighter up with bombs to try to kill him. Next time do the same and quit yer damn whinin'!!! Its not an abuse of the game if you have the means to stop it from happening.
Disclaimer - the above reference to whiney knits doesnt reflect on all knits. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Sling322
Not a Monitor!
Fat Drunk Bastards
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Well, after the first kill or two, you really should have learned your lesson. However, this is just another one of those little things that is pushing Aces High from what their press release states as "a premium WWII flight simulation" to a game with vehicles that were used in WWII.
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Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerrkorps.com)
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
LOL!
Usually it is preceded by some kind of attack in wich a panzer moves towards the spawn point killing vehicles as he goes. Finally he gets close enough to the spawn point that he can actually nail them just as they spawn.
If you think there is no skill involved in that, then you are sadly mistaken.
AKDejaVu
Absolutly Deja.
With the absence of supply lines that can be cut such as mountian passes and bridges and such, spawn point camping is a viable tactic. Just like an ambush at a mountian pass or capturing a bridge, a spawn point camper is counter attacking a ground assult by the best meens available. Of the many times I've used this tactic only one spawner had <that I can remember> the grey matter not to respawn after gettin' killed like that...that was HT himself. So squeak all y'all want, untill a more detailed strategic model is implemented, spawn point campers will be a fact of life since it is the only way to stop a ground assult with any degree of certainty, with the exception of killin' their VH.
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Lars
***MOL***
Men Of Leisure
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Originally posted by sling322:
Disclaimer - the above reference to whiney knits doesnt reflect on all knits. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Disclaimer to the disclaimer:
The opinion expressed above in no way represents the opinion of the FDB squadron. It is the official position of the FDB squad bylaws & SUI committee that, in fact, evey Knit is a whiner and further more, that every knit wears sheep-scented women's panties.
My sincerest apologies for any misconceptions LTS Sling's comments may have caused. He will recieve a steady stream of empty beer cans to the head tonight as he dutifully scrubs the latrines after the squad feast.
SOB
...on a side note, tonights squad feast will consist of beans, plenty of garlic, and lots & lots of beer.
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Dammit....I guess I mis-read the bylaws. I thought that paragraph only applied to Rooks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Thank you for clarifying that for me SOB.
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Sling322
Not a Monitor!
Fat Drunk Bastards
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Ok… Have to add my two cents. GET OVER IT!
Parking on a spawn point that is being heavily used is smart. Re-spawning at a point someone is parked on is well, not so smart.
I gave Skurj two, maybe three of my lives before I threw the towel in when he had his run at A11. I’m marked, I moved on. Last night after the funky double reset - <where the knights won by using their secret orbiting death laser. I thought it was a nuke I was wrong> - I started spawning an osti out of A1. Had a hell of a time until the “Rowdy Rebel’s” ET parked a Panzer on the spawn point. What did I do, shifted to molesting the rooks on the other side of the pond hehe. Until when, someone parked a Panzer on the spawn point.
I would have continually returned to kill as many as possible, (I was doing rather well for me), until a GV came to stop me. What’s wrong with that?
Zippatuh
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Knights haven't been whining that much considering the pounding they have been taking the last week .
PLEASE LONEWOLF DO NOT DEFECT TO KNIGHTS , friggin whiner !!! "WAAAAA he killed my tank" , that's not fair , In real life there were no spawn points you idiot . I guess the reason you were in a GV in the first place is cause you can't fly ,, LOL
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Zip,that was just after the crazy reset.I took off in bomber for A1 and was was killed by a GV right off the bat.I took an Ostwind,not a tank and fought my way along with help from our fighters and other GVs to the spawn point,killing 4 on the way,I got 1 more and than a nme fighter killed me.I then took a bomber and killed the VH at A1.Why do they keep spawning when they are being killed before they can even start engine ?
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To HTC.
I was trying to spawn in a panzer north to 25 from 8 and I was spawned on the wrong side of a ridge that kept me from getting to my target for 45 minutes. My buddies and I all spawned at the same time but we were spread over 200 square miles of territory and never got our raid organised.
The next time I spawned right on top of an enemy m3 and fell on my roof. The new random spawn did work well when I spawned right beside Ripsort as he was hull down dueling one of our guys 2.5k away...He he was he supprised. Great fun.
Please HTC spend 20 days developing a system to spawn me right were I want to be so that I dont have to spend 25 minutes driving to releive a spawn point like pongo does and like the knights do to him after his 3rd or 4th vulch.
Thnks.
Pinto.
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Ok pal, lets get some facts straight. He killed me about 4 or 5 times, not the 30 that you claim. I was _HOPING_ that I would have a chance to at least move out of the way, or shoot back, or something. But no, I'd be moving to the spawnpoint, and even before I'd get into the tank I would be moving back to the tower.
How can you just accept this type of behavior as if it was nothing wrong?
Well, I know not all of us are smart ones so I guess I just have to accept the fact that there are people like you who just keep spawning, even if it is stupid and get you killed time after time.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87D, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Lonewolf,
So you been shouted at (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) hehe.
Dont know if you know or not, what you can do is pick a field closest to your 'camped' field, i prefer 'covered', and choose one of the buttons other than H when you spawn. Most fields offer spawn points for vehicles close to the fields immediately surrounding it.... so you gotta drive a bit. Consider it a surrender and counter (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sorry if you knew all this already.
BTW it takes vast amounts of shelling to actually kill the VH that way... so why should he even bother, he earns more doing what he did and when hes fought his way in and the fight is generally going well due to this then i guess he earned it really.
[This message has been edited by petrel (edited 03-22-2001).]
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Gee just change to something different or try to overwhelm him with numbers at one time on the spawn point.
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ObstLt. Reschke
2/LJK Staffelkapitan
Kommandeur Jagdbomber
www.luftjagerkorps.com
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Originally posted by ET:
Zip,that was just after the crazy reset.I took off in bomber for A1 and was was killed by a GV right off the bat.I took an Ostwind,not a tank and fought my way along with help from our fighters and other GVs to the spawn point,killing 4 on the way,I got 1 more and than a nme fighter killed me.I then took a bomber and killed the VH at A1.Why do they keep spawning when they are being killed before they can even start engine ?
Why, dunno... lol, the reason escapes me. Very high learning curve maybe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Once again <S>
Zippatuh
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Spwan point camping is kind of real life tank combat. A tank could be hidden and wait for other tanks to appear. Only warning to them would be a shell impacting. Seems realistic.
What seems unrealistic though is that dead crews could not just respawn and complain after being killed over and over.
New crews, unaware of what happened before, would feed the camper’s streak (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
In short, the camper was not gaming the game. You were.
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What do you want him to do, count to 10 before he shoots you? Damn, that was funny to see all those kills rackin up. He was actually trying to beat an old record of 24 kills...and to set this record straight he had 41 kills (ran outta ammo), 39 perk points (not sure how he can use them yet) and exited the vehichle. Suprisingly no one came to shoot him.
BgMAW
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Originally posted by BigGun:
He was actually trying to beat an old record of 24 kills...and to set this record straight he had 41 kills (ran outta ammo), 39 perk points (not sure how he can use them yet) and exited the vehichle. Suprisingly no one came to shoot him.
BgMAW
I saw 48 kills back in May, don't recall who it was though.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-23-2001).]