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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: garrido on March 21, 2001, 03:58:00 AM
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RAM, PAMPERO, GADGET, el que sea, pero que por favor, traduzca esto.
GRACIAS anticipadas.
Estoy convencido de que el GM de AH en la version 1.06 a sido modificado de una manera desastrosa a mi forma de ver.
Las quejas anteriores venian de la poca capacidad de penetracion o de pegada que tenian los MG 151, o el exceso de alcance y daños del Hispano, a mi, eso me daba igual, me enfadaba el que te alcanzasen y derribasen a 1000y gracias al zoom de la mira, pero aprendi a vivir con ello, quizas en la realidad el Hispano fuese un gran cañon, y el MG151 no tanto, pero no tengo datos ni pienso buscarlos, ya lo hicieron otros y creo que no sirvio de nada.
Mi queja, es igual a la anterior que ya expuse y que ustedes, los señores de HTC ni se dignaron en contestar, y es la siguiente:
Considero que el GM esta mal modelado, tan mal, que se consiguen impactos en deflexion a 400y y se falla a 200y, he llegado a fallar a 170y, a 100y y menos en tiros sin deflexion, desde las 12 puras, he observado como los 20mm caen por debajo del fuselaje del avion contrario. Que esta ocurriendo? en que estoy fallando? por que tengo que levantar el morro del avion para acertar en la cola del avion contrario cuando dicho avion ocupa toda la mira a 90y? Por que tiene esa caida los proyectiles a tan corta distancia? la convergencia diran, no, he probado desde 150 hasta 375 y en todos los casos es igual. Solo me pasa a mi?
Hablo de disparos con BF109 G6 y G10, el resto de aviones no he probado, pero imagino que igual.
Que esta ocurriendo?
un saludo
Supongo
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Niin varmaan joo...
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Supo, si tienes esos problemas te recomiendo lo siguiente:
Vuela offline contra los drones y prueba la caida del 151 y de 108 a varias distancias en disparos sin deflexión, pon un puntito con rotulador en el monitor donde veas que la bala cae por debajo de tu morro. Haz lo mismo con disparos con algo de deflexión. Con esos puntitos de referencia haz una mira. Lo que yo si he notado es que la mira por defecto no vale de nada en aviones con 151 o 108. Esto no explica la caida pronunciada de proyectiles, pero te ayudará a acertar más. Ayer, en mi primer día de 1.6, utilicé como referencia un punto medio centímetro por debajo del centro de la mira por defecto, y los resultados no fueron malos.
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Vale, pero esa no es la solucion, si una Revi en la 1.05 iba bien, en la 1.06 deberia ir bien igualmente.
Es decir, HTC la a cagao. No hay otra explicacion, no obstante, si has hecho una mira pasamela plis
gracias
Supongo
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No he hecho miras, pero utilizo como punto de referencia el centro de la que hay, medio centímetro más abajo, y no disparo con deflexión. Disparos a 250 yardas o menos.
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Please in English. Think a few of us don't speak or write Spanish.
Thanks
Sailor
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Originally posted by metronom:
Please in English.
Garrido is, basically, expresing his frustration about the gunnery model actually present in 109G6 and G10. He thinks the bullet drop is too exagerated, and noticed this since the comming of the last patch.
Take also into account that some players doesn't speak english.
[This message has been edited by MANDOBLE (edited 03-21-2001).]
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Think it as this way: Be glad that as many people has studied english aside their native language (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(think about it if they would be as stubborn as they were in the begining of the century)
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I have not noticed a difference in bullet drop with the MG151/20 cannons. Using the translation page Fishu provided (thanks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ), I understand that Supongo notices a significant drop at ranges of less than 100 yds. Thats pretty close. I don't know what convergence he uses, but at the converging range the bullets should hit where you aim.
Now, if Supongo is talking about the 30mm cannon - thats a whole different issue. I can't hit anything with that either. But I don't think that has anything to do with porked ballistics. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Mainly it is a combination of the needed close range, microwarps, low rate of fire and muzzle velocity.
Supongo, I recommend you set your convergence to one specific range and practise practise practise offline with the drones until you get the hang of it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Camo
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Originally posted by LLv34_Camouflage:
I understand that Supongo notices a significant drop at ranges of less than 100 yds. Thats pretty close. I don't know what convergence he uses, but at the converging range the bullets should hit where you aim
Hiya Camo,
actually if you have set your convergence to, say, 300yds and pull the trigger when you are very close, say 100yds or less, your bullets should pass slightly *above* the target. You should notice it with Mausers rather than with Hispanos and Brownings. Take a look at this interesting Fw190A-8 diagram:
(http://web.tiscalinet.it/gatt/gunnery.jpg)
<EDIT>: a bit off topic myself too, sorry.
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 03-21-2001).]
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Originally posted by gatt:
Hiya Camo,
actually if you have set your convergence to, say, 300yds and pull the trigger when you are very close, say 100yds or less, your bullets should pass slightly *above* the target. You should notice it with Mausers rather than with Hispanos and Brownings.
Not entirely true. Since the gunsight is above the weapon, there are two points where the guns converge in the vertical. For example for a finnish 7.62mm assault rifle with "convergence" (in reality the gunsight distance setting) is set for 150m, the sight is accurate at 40m and 150m, since the bullets will cross the "aiming line" at 40m "on their way up".
But I see what you mean. I strayed a bit off topic, sorry. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Camo
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does anyone in the HTC crew speak spanish? If they do, then why not have the thread subject in spanish? If they don't.... what's the point? What am I missing?
lazs
[This message has been edited by lazs (edited 03-21-2001).]
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Lazs, the first line is asking some of the Spanish speaking players to translate for him.
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"What am I missing"
Education in a foreign language (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yo estoy de acuerdo, el GM esta bien embarrado aca.
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Uno mas cerveza, por favor! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I think its a quite general feeling that the gunnery model has a different behaviour from 1.05.
I personally feel that my gunnery sucks bad lately (even worse than before), dunno if It's me or the Gunnery Model.
Not that I care much, It's only about getting used to it again, but, for my ego's sake, I would like to know if, officially, something has changed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cheers,
Pepe.
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Gatt, that picture explains my point nicely. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Camo
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Nothing has changed in gunnery that we havn't anounced in the readme's ,but rember that your head now shakes.
HiTech
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Mine has been shaking for years....
sorry coundnt resist.
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Tell him to use the 20mm instead. The additional ammo, and faster ROF, more then make up for the difference in power.
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I know, I don't play anymore....
But before 1.06 peeps were complaining about long range shots and how easy it was.
Now, the argument is to make it easier.
Then the argument will be to make it harder.
Atleast this is my opinion on how the world turns... but ya know what? Opinions are like oscarholes, everyone's got one but it always stinks. :-)
-SW
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I haven't noticed any changes in gunnery whatsoever. In fact, I finally felt comfortable enough with gunnery in 1.06 that I decided to turn tracers off once and for all.
-- Todd/DMF/Calamari
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This thread got me to thinking....
Are people noticing the difference in the German cannon ballistics as a result of doing their first serious flying in LW aircraft now that the FW-190 D9 is available?
I've noticed in the D9 the very familar slow shells, large dispertion and trajectory drop that I've always seen from the gondola equipped 109's that I fly. Comparing the same 20mm guns mounted in the 109 and 190: the big difference is the lack of a centerline firing cannon that causes a dramatic increase in misses beyond harmonization range. Are people noticing this without realizing the cause? Could the lack of the two extra cannon available on the earier FW variants cause D9 drivers to perceive that their weapons are less effective for reasons other than ½ the volume of fire?
I think more people are becoming aware of the lower performing German cannon rounds than a change in ballistics.
MiG
(edit for spelling)
[This message has been edited by MiG Eater (edited 03-22-2001).]
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MiG, I've always flown the 190's with only 2 cannon. The gunnery in the D9 seems different. My hit% has dropped also. I haven't had enough time to really look into it, but something just seems different.
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S!
I have been training with the 30mm lately and it is a hard one to get hits with.Only advice is:Get close and when You think You are close,get closer!Fire from less than 200d.It is a real 1 ping killer.It tears off the tail of Spit,blows the sh*t outta La7 and even the P47 is puking parts like it had hangover of the century. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)Gonna train a LOT to get the hang of it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"now wouldn't it be a real drag if we were all the same"
too bad there isn't a translation program availible
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Thks for the answer, hitech. Unfortunately, that leaves my gunnery skills without an excuse (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Pepe <Back to gunnery training>
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Hey easymo , ty ! My oldest daughter lives in Norway , now I can read there web pages .
Way cool .
spro
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garrido . I set my cannon and bb machine guns in the 109's to 650 range . If fact any plane that has no devergence ( hey I can't speel worth a damn ) as in P38 , La5 , 109's etc . The others to 400 . Maybe you set your range out farther would help the bullet drop ? I know I have to get damn close in 109 to hit anything .
cheers spro
Author Topic: For HTC, Gunnery Model is Super PORKED in 1.06
garrido
Junior Member
Posts: 28
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Registered: Aug 2000
posted 03-21-2001 03:58 A.M.
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Ram, PAMPERO, GADGET, the one that is, but that please, translates this.
Anticipated THANKS.
I am convinced that the GM of AH in modified version 1.06 to of a disastrous way to my form to see.
The previous complaints venian of the little stuck penetration capability or of that tenian MG 151, or the excess of reach and damages of the Hispanic, to my, that gave me equal, it got upset the one that reached and demolished to 1000y thanks to you to the zoom lens of the sight, but aprendi to me to live with it, quizas in the reality the Hispanic was a great tube, and the MG151 not as much, but I have data neither I think to look for them, or did others and I believe it that not sirvio of anything.
My complaint, is equal to the previous one that already I exposed and that you, the HTC gentlemen nor deigned in answering, and is the following one:
I consider that GM this badly modeled, so badly, that impacts in deflection are obtained 400y and is failed to 200y, I have gotten to fail to 170y, to 100y and less in shots without deflection, from the 12 pure ones, I have observed as 20mm falls below the fuselage of the opposite airplane. That this happening? in which I am failing? so that I must raise the nose of the airplane to guess right in the tail of the opposite airplane when this airplane occupies all the sight to 90y? So that it has the that caida projectiles to so short distance? the convergence diran, no, I have proven from 150 to 375 and in all the cases he is equal. Single it passes me to my?
I speak of firings with BF109 G6 and G10, the rest of airplanes I have not proven, but I imagine that equal.
That this happening?
a greeting
I suppose
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Head shakes RULE. No more lamers with sniping ability with the aid of st. hispano.
Icons still suck though. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)