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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: CurtissP-6EHawk on December 16, 2002, 12:22:01 PM
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I elected to continue this post but without a certain name involved. so..........
Do you see the fallacy of your logic yet ?
Samm, thats twice I had to get out the damn dictionary...stop it:D My remark was ment as a joke, however.......I refuse to shoot a "hanging" man not knowing if he will or will not surender. I sure as hell "would" not waist my ammo, alititude and time shooting a chute behind nme lines in real life.
To answer you original question, I would shoot all retreating (NON-SURRENDERING) troops. I do not know the pleadge an nme aviator takes refering to bailing and trying to return home, or shooting knowing he can not survive the fight soon to become if he so choses not to surrender once his feet hit the ground.
Anyway, to cut this political, military issue down, I will NEVER stoop to chute shooting in this game nor will I shoot a chute in real life. Insult me more, as I have you, but this issue will not be resolved.
....so for game play, I will not be shooting chutes, I would rather you not shoot mine. In real life call it what you want, in the game, I call it respect. Its your choice and I will refrane from name calling in the future.
HAWK OUT
I mean it this time :)
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Sounds like a reasonable plan.
The funniest (saddest) chute-shooting incident I recall was when a brand new player was out attacking a fleet in a Ju88 (high level bombing). Well, his plane was hit by a large caliber ack, so he bailed, but he bailed out over the fleet. As he drifted down into small calibre range, the entire fleet ack opened up on him. You should've heard his tirade, because I guess it had to be manned ack firing on a bailed pilot.
Anyway, he logged before I could convince him that the auto-ack targets any enemy units, even chutes. I don't know if he ever came back- I think he was on his two-week trial. But he was sure this whole community was a bunch of sick, chute-shooters.
I think we lost one that day, and who knows what rumors this guy spreads to this day about our community...
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Back when I flew FA it was very rare that peopel shoot chute's, In FA the enemy Icon also told you the piolets name, so they could be held accountable for their actions. What used to hapen in FA if somebody did actualy chute a shoot, is that a which hunt would insue and the aswipe was hunted like the dog he was, often whole squads would get involved, some tiems even biger groups would particapate. This quickly queled this type of beheaviour.
Personaly bailing is prety pointless, if you are inenemy tertority when your plane is damaged to the extent you nead to ditch it bail, you will be given a death any way so why bail, seeing how the only reasion to bail is to help your rank, it dont matter.
If you are near your base howeaver, their is a reasion to do it if you are looking at saving point's.
As far he who shoots you concerned it does nothing at all for him point wise, the only thing he gets is the aparent satifaction of pissing somebody off(if they even get pissed).
Realy what it all boils down(like al lot of things) is how you take it, personaly I think people who shoot shoots are unworthy of my love.:) It used to realy piss me off to be quiet frank, but it's not worth get all bent out of shape abot, I rarely bail, it is pointless to do so 90% of the time for me anyway, and if their are a bunch of enemy cons around and I am near my base I generaly just ride it in.
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Originally posted by brady
seeing how the only reasion to bail is to help your rank, it dont matter.
Hey, Brady, you aren't reading these threads very closely, are you? Seems to be unanimous that people aren't bailing to be pointmongers. Get with it here.
- oldman (who DID NOT shoot a parachute last night, tho' he was sorely tempted.) (Remembers Horton: "I said what I said and I meant what I meant, an elephant's faithful, one hundred per cent.")
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i still stand by the assertion that HT wants us to shoot chutes...
why do they blow up when shot properly? (troops don't).
why not make chutes a universal killshooter icon?
why does AI even track and bust a cap on them lil screamers?
why not make an invisible (to others) chute icon?
why not simply avoid the icon thingy altogether and "bail" = insta tower with all the things associated with a bail?
in short... chutes are MEANT to be shot!
and i'll do so whenever the opportunity and inclination strikes me.
:D
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you may choose to bail out. i may choose the shoot your dangling pilot.
we all have a choice. if you do not like my choice, to bad.
pretent honor in a pretend environment is silly.
thanks
F.
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AH needs to setup chute shootin so its more like IL2
pop a chute there and it streamers the guy to the ground :)
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Originally posted by Shane
i still stand by the assertion that HT wants us to shoot chutes...
You're close. But it's not the chute we are supposed to shoot, it's the little guy hanging from the chute. Why can't anybody get this right?
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personal I changed my mind
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I know I dont play in the CT and this isnt even going to matter to some of you. But when I fly with a wingman. And he is bounced and killed. When I get the other guy to bail out. I will slaughter him in cold blood. Hawk I feel for your grandaddy. But most germans frowned uppon this. Well the pro aces anyhow. But as the war wore on and the young people were put into the ships. They were told to kill people that bailed. It was sick but its war.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
All because some diddlying potato peeler bastard German salamander MURDERED him? diddly your chute shooting. Piss on you, even if this is just a damn game.
bad toejam happens in war. this is a game. it's not real. it's pretend.
my question is this, how do you feel about the players pretending to be germans in this game? those "diddlying potato peeler bastards" are trying to kill you. aren't they evil enough to warrant your ire? or is it ok because they are pretending?
lighten up.
thanks
F.
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Good post Furious!
I like my 109F as well as the next lufweenie..
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I like seeing burning Bf-109F's as much as the next luftwienie. And the chute on fire, too!!! :p
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Shoot my chute if ya can, just quit shootin my airplane!!!!!!!!!!!
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Von Ricthoven (sp?) said that killing was the only thing that mattered. The rest was nonsense. (Chivalry)
eskimo
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C'mon Brady, gimme the love! :D
I won't lie...I do enjoy seeing someone go into a tirade over getting their pixel butt shot in a chute in a game. It's sad, yet compelling to watch. However, I started and continue to shoot chutes because I can. I don't really give a toejam if the person at the other end gets pissed off or not, they blow up either way.
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
I don't really give a toejam if the person at the other end gets pissed off or notSOB
SOB,
I think in your own way, you really DO care!
eskimo
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shot a chute today.....it felt good...errghhhh! more more more more kill kill kill.
cheers!
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
shot a chute today.....it felt good...errghhhh! more more more more kill kill kill.
cheers!
the real challenge lies in nailing them while they're freefalling.
:D
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
shot a chute today.....it felt good...errghhhh! more more more more kill kill kill.
cheers!
Welcome to the flock brother. SOB, our work is done here.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
shot a chute today.....it felt good...errghhhh! more more more more kill kill kill.
cheers!
We all knew that you would turn to the Dard Side!
:)
eskimo
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was kidding, however killed many many troops last night:D
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was watching one of the tapes in my Hunter of the Skies series last night.
this one dealt with the airwar in the Pacific.
One pilot described the ultimate chute shootin RL example though it didn't involve a parachute at all
he told the story of how when his buddy hit a jap troop transport ship midship, the 1500 to 2000 soldiers jumped over board and were swimming around the sinkin ship
what do you think the US pilots did, fly by and salute them?
nope - they strafed them until the water was red with blood and the neighborhood sharks took over - "the sharks were having a real feast"..
that was RL, the rest is comic book crap
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1500 to 2000 soldiers
hmmmmm......2000 troops vs a single pilot hanging in his chute...vs the pilot killing 2000 troops that could have been shot in is chute the week before. Sure its a tuffy and I would have done the same thing.
Still no chute shooting for me.
Thats life this is a game..so what?
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I always shoot chutes in CAP events. Got four last week to go with my five kills. Hopefully I'll ruin someone's streak!
P-51, Spit and La-7 pilots are usually fair targets unless they gave a good fight or there are more worthy targets in the neighbourhood. However, P-51 pilots are the top of my chute shooting list.
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Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
I always shoot chutes in CAP events. Got four last week to go with my five kills. Hopefully I'll ruin someone's streak!
Hawk why do you complain about it. Just start shooting Chutes as well. Maybe you'll get lucky and kill an arrogant jackoff like this guy.:D
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hehe:D
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Did :D
I also left the Zero behind and started flying allied. Now I kill chute studmuffins as well as vulching. Now I can kill just a well as anyone else.....oh well, its a living!!
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Maybe you'll get lucky and kill an arrogant jackoff like this guy.
Did I shoot your chute? Or perhaps I keyed your car?
Strange response from a complete stranger.
BTW, he would have to be lucky.
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Strange response from a complete stranger
I dont recall ever seeing you in the CT. Are you sure lowejg is the stranger?
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Woah! Check out the pseudo-elitism! FYI I've been playing AH for the last 2 and half years and I played in the CT alot during its inception.
Assuming, you signed up to the BBS at the same time as you started playing, you've been here less than 6 months.
Still, calling someone an 'arrogant jackoff' from behind a computer screen takes a particular type of courage, and I deeply respect that.
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I always shoot chutes in CAP events. Got four last week to go with my five kills. Hopefully I'll ruin someone's streak!
P-51, Spit and La-7 pilots are usually fair targets unless they gave a good fight or there are more worthy targets in the neighbourhood. However, P-51 pilots are the top of my chute shooting list.
Ok let me start over.
#1 This topic is posted in the CT Forum not the CAP Forum. For you other guys, neither the General Forum. So that eliminates the first of your posts.
#2 "unless they gave a good fight" well, as shane would say, "How Lame" and is were I see the "arrogant jackoff".
#3 yes, I have only been in AH for about 3 months and 98% of it is spent in the CT were this was posted to begin with...refer to #1
...so go back to the MA with you MA mentality.
Cheers ;)
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I'm surprised that I can be bothered to reply, but...
First of all this was about chute shooting. Hence I replied, with an example. It was meant to be light-hearted. Simple.
MA mentality? You really can't shake that pseudo-elitist mentality can you? It's even funnier that I'm being 'excluded' from the clique by someone who's only been in the game 3 months. I'm sorry, but if you'd been here longer you might have known that I used to be a CM and I designed the 'Big Week' scenario. I've participated in every scenario there has ever been in AH, and my squad is regularly in the CAP and TOD events. I rarely fly in the MA.
Now go back to your little clique and enjoy your insular mentality. ;)
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I used to be a CM
oh well :rolleyes:
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Shhht Back to topic please, I want to hear some whining :D
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Originally posted by Dowding
I'm surprised that I can be bothered to reply, but...
First of all this was about chute shooting. Hence I replied, with an example. It was meant to be light-hearted. Simple.
MA mentality? You really can't shake that pseudo-elitist mentality can you? It's even funnier that I'm being 'excluded' from the clique by someone who's only been in the game 3 months. I'm sorry, but if you'd been here longer you might have known that I used to be a CM and I designed the 'Big Week' scenario. I've participated in every scenario there has ever been in AH, and my squad is regularly in the CAP and TOD events. I rarely fly in the MA.
Now go back to your little clique and enjoy your insular mentality. ;)
Wow you did all that!!! I'm so impressed, your correct all of us scum that havent been here as long should kiss your royal ass.
Shadup and pay your AH bill just like all the rest of us. I'm not suprised you replied, and for the life of me can't figure out why your suprised. You must not get enough attention, or you would not have this need to act so superior to everyone.
Dowding. Your are absolutly correct about one thing. Calling you a jackoff from a computer screen is chickenshit, and I am a jackoff for doing it.:rolleyes:
However don't let a laspe of judgement get confused with a lack of courage. Your expressing the elitest arrogance. Naming all the planes the little people beneath you fly, that gives you the right to show your elitesm by shooting their chutes, for the planes they flew. Then you come back with this "what a great assest to game I am resume". Yeah some of us hung on a little to long to Warbirds. I've been in AH over a year now, and your the first person I've met who actually thinks 15 bucks a month is more important than anyone else's.:D
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Oh yeah? Well let me tell you something. I think you...... uh....... hhmmm...
I got nothing. Im going to the H2H board and start a fight:D
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Unbunch your panties, and engage your reading comprehension skills. I used to be a CM. Emphasis on the 'used to be' aspect of that sentence.
Your expressing the elitest arrogance. Naming all the planes the little people beneath you fly, that gives you the right to show your elitesm by shooting their chutes, for the planes they flew. Then you come back with this "what a great assest to game I am resume". Yeah some of us hung on a little to long to Warbirds. I've been in AH over a year now, and your the first person I've met who actually thinks 15 bucks a month is more important than anyone else's.
lol I really did touch a nerve, didn't I? Do the words 'it's only a game' mean anything to you. You don't get charged an extra premium for being shot in your chute, you know.
I would have thought it was obvious why I posted. I was demonstrating the fact that 'MA mentality' is something I don't think I possess. I'm perhaps more comfortable with the 'fly what you like, how you like' kind of mentality, except when it comes to historical set-ups. Most of the flying I do in AH is outside the main arena, as I was pointing out. I fly AH for scenarios - without them I would have left long ago. Hardly a "what a great assest to game I am resume".
But feel free to pander to any inferiority complex you may be nurturing - I was merely responding to being called infantile names.
Dowding. Your are absolutly correct about one thing. Calling you a jackoff from a computer screen is chickenshit, and I am a jackoff for doing it.:rolleyes:
Bravo.
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LOL.
You have it all wrong Dwoding, I never feel inferior!:D
When I see the I'm better than you attitude come out in this game, it tends to catch my attention. I do this for fun and to relax. I am always amazed, that people bring in class warfare to AH. I don't fly MA because it's not my cup of tea, not because flying CT makes you superior. MA has it's style, and so does CT, the truth is if you boil away the fat they are pretty much the same. Except for the 325th's squad nights where we fly missions, the rest of the time I'm a furballing, HOing, sloberdonkeylamer, and I can do ethier style of flying just as good as anyone.............Even you.;)
The truth is none of the things that happen in AH really matter in the real world. If I shoot down 20 planes in one mission , and land them. I still got to get up the next morning, go to work, provide for my family, and be able to look myself in the mirror.
I'ts a hobby, eveyone pays to play. I'm no more important, or no less important to the great scheme of HTC, than you or any other paying customer. I do think chute shooting is chickenshit, however , it doesnt matter in the long run. It's biggest value is, it makes for some long running threads.
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Originally posted by brady
Back when I flew FA it was very rare that people shot chute's. In FA the enemy Icon also told you the pilots name, so they could be held accountable for their actions. What used to happen in FA if somebody did actually did shoot a chute, is that a which hunt would ensue and the hugahunk was hunted like the dog he was. Often whole squads would get involved. Sometimes even bigger groups would participate. This quickly quelled this type of behavior.
Man I would love that
Paraphrasing,spelling was changed to protect the innocent
For me personally I don't shoot chutes. I think shooting at something that can't shoot back is not fun and it's wimpy.
I always thought that when I just survived a good dogfight that its just some good pilot code not to shoot a chute. Probably read that some where. A is much more satisfying
For some reason I can't get myself to do it. It just doesn't seem right. I've all ready beat him by shooting down his plane. I might do a fly by and a victory roll but that pretty much it, and I don't do that very often.
I used to whine about it on ch 1 but since my chute been shot at and I found out that the chute shooter love it when you whine. I don't give them the satisfaction anymore. I give them the in defiance. :D Since I don't have my trusty virtual .45 cal pistol with me.:mad: Perk the
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Alot of us feel the same Griego. Thats why you shoudlnt put to much into all the candy tulips that are about to post and tell how out of line you are for having an opinion, how WW2 combat "really" was, how you are an elitist because you dont shoot chutes, and how cool they are because they do. Check out the " Whatshisname is a chute shooter" post for the start of this.
Happy New Year :D
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Hawk, I respect your conviction and integrity.
Buhdman, out
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Originally posted by buhdman
Hawk, I respect your conviction and integrity.
Buhdman, out
I think that you forgot to insert the word "virtual" between "your" and "conviction". Its a game, remember?
eskimo
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As I was reading this and enjoying my lunch...soup nearly came out of my nose when I got to the Lowe vs. Dowding bout. :D