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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mason22 on January 12, 2001, 03:17:00 PM
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here's an idear,
why not display who's chute you shot, and let them know who shot them!? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
bet it would provoke some hunting seasons (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
oh, BTW, perk points for chutes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ?!!
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Mason22 Fat Drunk (chute shooting) Bastards (http://fdb.50megs.com) -- "shut up and FLY"
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ok.. how about negative perk points for shooting chutes ?
just a thought
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Had a lanc pilot bail out and fre-fall right in front of my ride last night.
Technically, his chute hadn't deployed yet. It never did (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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How about getting a life? How about worrying about something worth the effort?
Kill me in my chute, I just dont care.
Dago
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<chanting> ma-son! ma-son! ma-son! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Why would anyone want to punish people for doing what the game is intended to do?
If you die in the plane explosion or crash or chute, or to a HO, Isn't this the object of the game, to kill your opponent? And at all cost? And don't tell me this rolls over into real life, Give me a break!!! And don't pull the "honor card " either, I have alot of respect for many players in AH, and i'll shoot their chutes just as fast!
NUTTZ
Proud member of CSAA (Chute Shooters Association of America )
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Originally posted by NUTTZ:
Why would anyone want to punish people for doing what the game is intended to do?
If you die in the plane explosion or crash or chute, or to a HO, Isn't this the object of the game, to kill your opponent? And at all cost? -NUTTZ Proud member of CSAA (Chute Shooters Association of America )
Uh, I beg to differ, the OBJECT of the GAME is to have fun. If shooting someone's chute is your idea of fun, well then have at.
But what should be remembered is you may be denying someone else thier enjoyment of the game by doing so, if that's okay with you, then have at.
Wonder how many potential customers didn't subscribe cuz' they thought the arena was full of self-centered a-holes.
Let's be honest, the only point to shootin' a chute is to feed one's ego isn't it?
Personally I rarely shoot chutes, don't wanna waste my "E" and ammo on sumthin for which I get no gain.
In WB it was different, the chute had a .45cal to ping the golden bb at ya.
Always felt then if he's shooting at me to return the favor (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And last but not least, those most liked and admired in the game (Ghosth, HBlair, etc.) realize that "Good Sportsmanship" includes being a graceful and respectful winner, as much as not being a poor loser.
BTW in war the object is NOT to kill your enemy, but to make him submit to your control.
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Originally posted by milnko:
But what should be remembered is you may be denying someone else thier enjoyment of the game by doing so, if that's okay with you, then have at.
Many of legal actions allowed by gaming rules are denying enjoyment - vulching, gangbanging, ackstarring. So whenever there is a conflict, rather then inventing new rules we should just use the game rules. Chutes are shootabe - hence there is nothing wrond with people doing so.
Wonder how many potential customers didn't subscribe cuz' they thought the arena was full of self-centered a-holes.
You are one of the most ardent opponents and you are still here, so probably none (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Let's be honest, the only point to shootin' a chute is to feed one's ego isn't it?
As in playing any game. Otherwise it would be work.
In WB it was different, the chute had a .45cal to ping the golden bb at ya.
Always felt then if he's shooting at me to return the favor (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
After all you said, the infinitesmall chance of someone hitting and damaging a plane with a .45 is enough to change your opinion? You are living in a world of your own imagination. Nothing wrong with that as long as you do not try to shame other people for not following your ridiculous rules.
What about a radio that a choot carries?
BTW in war the object is NOT to kill your enemy, but to make him submit to your control.
Isn't it even worse? What about dying rather then submitting? Do you get your kicks imagining that you have submitted a guy that is hanging under his shoot? Thinking you can shoot him but do not? Feeding your ego at his expence?
For some of us shooting another guy is not about "submitting" but about honestly and openly feeding our ego by moving pixels on the screen - much like PacMan but more complex. If it were a real life, most of us would have reluctantly made sure that an enemy pilot did not get a chance to fly again.
miko
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Only "chute" the 35k alt dweebs and the CHOG spray and pray pilots.
Its the 11th commandment... and you all are sinners by not adhering to it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) *grin*
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it is a perspective thing i guess...
an enemy that survives (in rl) is one that can go home and get another plane. if he goes and gets another plane his goal will be to kill your countrymen and you. not worth wasting e or ammo really but if economy permits you are doing your job killing the nme
-it is funny to talk about enjoyment in the context of a wargame - this isn't a tennis match it is war! war wasnt neatly regulated, pretty, symmetrical, fair or sportsmanly - it was large scale murder.
all kinds of people participated in war and all types of people play this game(sim whatever) - i am the type that sees purpose and beauty in killing every last enemy i can whether their ego allows for it or not - if i was worried about hurting feelings i would shoot anyone down in the first place < and rarely do anyway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) >- i wasnt shooting to disable your plane i was shooting to kill you!
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I shoot the occasional no skill HO dweeb chute, and now and then a chog (redundancy there, I know).
They deserve it.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I am the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldricht
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Announce who shot the chute......
Stoopid idea, ain't we got enough whines in the MA?
I'd be fine with the idea if you got your little yellow text sayin who did it, and you automatically muted from chatting on any channl (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
AKskurj
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I like to watch the 30+K buff dweebs float down, I always hope they open waaaaaaaay to high, Then If I am really really really lucky, I can come by in 10 to 15 mins to see if they are still floaring down, and if I am really really really really lucky, I will see them just about on the ground. and then ratatatatatatatatatatatatatat atatat waste them.
those are the only chutes I care to chute.
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wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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Originally posted by miko2d:
Many of legal actions allowed by gaming rules are denying enjoyment - vulching, gangbanging, ackstarring. So whenever there is a conflict, rather then inventing new rules we should just use the game rules. Chutes are shootabe - hence there is nothing wrond with people doing so.
Ah, here is the rub, vulching, gangbanging, ackstarring is not the same as shooting a chute, which for all intents and purposes is figuratively kicking the opponent after you've already won the fight. The person who gets vulched has the option to move to another field, the victim of a gangbang has the choice of moving to where his countrymen can support him.
You are one of the most ardent opponents and you are still here, so probably none
U selectively quoted my original post, the opening paragraph stated; OBJECT of the GAME is to have fun. If shooting someone's chute is your idea of fun, well then have at. I neither support nor condemn the practice. I don't do it, but that's my choice. I am merely offering a counter point to NUTTZ's post, which seemed a tad blood thirsty for this just being a game.
After all you said, the infinite small chance of someone hitting and damaging a plane with a .45 is enough to change your opinion? You are living in a world of your own imagination. Nothing wrong with that as long as you do not try to shame other people for not following your ridiculous rules.
The difference being that the chutist in WB is still actively trying to shoot me down, whereas in AH, he is effectively removed from the current battle 'til he can re-up.
Interesting that you feel I was trying to shame people into not shooting chutes, this is most indicative that you do indeed feel some negative feelings about the practice.
Could it be that you do in fact realize it's unsportsmanlike? Your use of the word shame might also be considered a Freudian slip.
What about a radio that a choot carries?
What about it? Last time I looked there was a big red/green bar in the sector telling me where the friendlies and bad guys were.
Only so many ways to say it.....
For some of us shooting another guy is not about "submitting" but about honestly and openly feeding our ego by moving pixels on the screen - much like PacMan but more complex.
miko
Ah I think I understand; you are just moving pixels around, there is NO ONE on the other end of the internet connection, NOT a real person, just pixels. I see. Y
Unfortunatly too many people forget that there IS someone on the other side of that connection, and fail to treat them with the respect they would if they were in the same room with them. I call it Internet courage.
I honestly try to throw a salute to everyone after a fight, regardless of whether I won or lost. It's called sportsmanship.
But hey! it's your $30, spend it however you want.
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Milenko
[This message has been edited by milnko (edited 01-12-2001).]
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Whiney crybaby mode on
But NUUUUUTTZ, it's just not sporting to shoot chutes! <snif, snif>. Every pixel that represents a player on my screen is sacred. The fact that it is just an inorganic phosphor that emits light when excited by an electron beam doesn't matter - It is almost as good as a real life and must be respected as such!
Even though this is a wargame simulation where we get all giddy of blowing the hell out of an opponent, that shouldnt matter! We're talking about virtual life here and decorum, sportsmanship, and honor are topmost priorities.
Yes! I want to know who shoots my phosphor chute representation because I want to justify a vendetta! I want to complain that that bastage pilot wasn't playing by my rules! I want to squeak on the radio about the injustice done to me!
The nerve! Turning my brown phosphors (actually a combination of red, green, and blue) into a bright red/yellow fireball of blood and guts. I get all self-righteous and whiney when that happens and want everyone to know!
Whiney crybaby mode off
There. I feel soooo much better now. Is my place in Heaven assured? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Rape, pillage, then burn...
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Milnko, I read your post and still think you are missing my point. I would hope to think as you quote, I am not running new people out of the game, because I am a "self centered A-hole". Although i didn't think you ment to come across and mug sling this way. But you are only supporting what i said, that this is a game and has no reflection on real life ( althou you seam to confuse the two with your quotes). And killing someone out of the skies also lessens the enjoyment of others and also SHOULD be removed. Now where does that leave us? And another post you go on to say a vulchie has an option of coming up another feild, and has a choice, But you have the "choice" of pulling that cord or not also. Also you state that chute shooting is bad sportsmanship ( althou the way you did say it was that not doing it was good sportsmanship) But then go to say you "rarely" do it. Not "ever" do it or "never" do it but "rarely" do it.. Hmmm.....I was wondering what the definition of good sportsmanship is? and how Chute shooting falls under the catagories of "poor sportsmanship" I would hope to think that I have "goodsportsmanship" qualities. but under "your" definition of this word? Or mine? You see their are Many cultures, and many races , and beliefs that are in this " game" Some people eat dog meat and find it tasty, some would shudder at the though, Venison,Bear, Ostridge, pick one. I would NEVER eat dog meat, notice i said NEVER not "rarely" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). My point is,,, different people veiw things differently And I respect your POV, respect mine, without the association that my beliefs take away the enjoyment of others and my beliefs make me a "self-centered A-hole". There are some people play for points, some do not, some like TOTAL emersion, this INCLUDES role playing while in the game, some do not. thinking about this some more and looking a few post past your responce, some others had made some good points pro and con. I am glad that I never had to go to war and probably In those shoes would of reluctantly made sure the Pilot was dead, Not the plane, and I'm sure most would of done the same. I'm not trying to advocate this but tried to objectively look at both sides of the coin, and sadly to say IRL, I would more than likely do the same. War stinks, It's not fun, or funny. Thanx to HTC, it's a simple click back to your favorite ride. And that is my point! That doesn't make me a poor sport, or a self centered Hole. So next time you see me on your 12 please aim for the plane NOT the pilot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
NUTTZ
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Great idea Mason!
I shoot all 190 and Runstang chutes and would love to know who I nailed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well heres my take on chute killing.
1) always kill chutes from a c-47 these guys take your base.
2)don't waist your time killing a bailers chute specialy since it cost you your ammo for nothing. Never ever waist E or alt on a chute cuase he's probably told his buddies where you are and what alt you are at. also remember as long as he is in that chute he is out of the fight.
3)The only time its worth shooting a chute is when you have no one near you and it's very unlikely that you will be engaged before you land and you know it's really going to piss the guy off. also If you got something in the area you don't want him to see (goon, m3) or you think he is relaying intelegence (must not be rook then) then buy all means shoot him.
4) It's against the geneva convention and is a warcrime .... only if your side looses the war!
5) if he is really really high when he opens his chute you have two choices ... you can be nice and kill him so he doesn't have to float back to earth for a half an hour ... or you can make him suffer while you tuant him ... I say make him suffer he shoulda stuck with his ride like a real man!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"
[This message has been edited by Mayhem (edited 01-12-2001).]
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Hmm...
I've bailed enough times, I sure don't like getting shot at if I can't shoot back: I mean, its just dumb of me to get maneuvered into a situation where I have perfectly good guns and ammo, and can't use 'em on an enemy; its another when you've got nothing, and he strafes hell outta ya.
So I generally don't shoot chutes: I just continue to pound that disintegrating airframe w/ cannon til he explodes- end of dilemma. I especially like this with chog pilots now: can't think why. I generally try to get on their six and then I start yellin' various things like "Squeal like a chog, boy" and "I know you like it HO, let's see how you like it up the tailpipe", followed by lotsa pretty colors.
I like some of the sadistic chute killing ideas, too.. that 35K to almost sea level would be sweet, and it'd REALLY get someone's goat.
Anyhoo...
Jay.
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Nuttz,
I didn't mean you personally were a A-hole, it's just an attitude as a whole that I see more and more emerging lately.
I'm all for the concept that whatever it takes to win is okay, but some have taken it a step further to include that after ya win, drive a stake thru the heart, lop off the head and stuff the mouth with garlic.
It is a game, and should be treated as such. You don't see the winning team of the World Series take up thier bats and club the losing side do you?
When I say "rarely", that is to indicate that I've have done it in the past, and am not without blame, when I've done it in the past it was usually payback. I don't make a habit of it like many have done.
Just tryin to point out that few people like to be shot in thier chute, and if you've already won the fight, why intentionally go out of your way to try an piss someone off?
I'm all for Mason's idea.
This is my last post on the topic, as it is a matter of personal choice and rather pointless to discuss.
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Milenko
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Geez Miko2d, that was one hell of a comeback. Good points.
Kill Chutes deprive the downed pilot of points, period. PERIOD!
Now go De-perk him.
Oh, and for the gameplay reference, tune into the Raider game this weekend. You will see a quarterback, "hanging defenses" in the pocket if you will, get mercilessly t-boned blind side from a very fast blitzing free safety.
The play will be over, the QB will be in a heap half not knowing where he is, and that defensive player will be beating his chest, screaming like a animal, motioning to God, telling the QB he'll be there "all damn day baby!", all to the delight of 80,000 rabid drunk hotdog chowing, beer swigging criminals in the Oakland stands!
Yeah! Kill em, rub it in, and be the King. Whats wrong with that?
(see in San Francisco, the 49er fans would be sipping wine and wondering if the new crab leg vendor had melted butter. rutabagas)
It's all on how ya like to play.
Have thicker skin, and have some fun.
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Jesus Creamo... since when did ya learn to write poetry?
I'm all choked up. That was one of the most beautiful things I have ever read.
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Originally posted by milnko:
It is a game, and should be treated as such. You don't see the winning team of the World Series take up thier bats and club the losing side do you?
Hmmm, I sense a new Fox sports league coming on! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I sometimes feel a little guilty when I'm lining up the chute of the guy I just shot down and he throws an <S> up on the open channel, but I generally just suck it up and shoot him anyhow. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I figure I can only control one side of the equation, and I don't do it with malice, just for the pure fun of it...I can't help it if the other pilot takes it as a sign of disrespect. I could stop doing it altogather, but that'd kill some of my fun, and I'm just too selfish for that. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
SOB
...dammit, all this talk of chute-killin' has me itching to fly! See y'all up in about 10 minutes!
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PakRat luuuvs chute killin' and all the fun that goes with it.
Hell, sometimes I'll even help out some poor dumb sumsqueak that pulls high and is stuck there hanging (and maybe even reporting back with sitreps).
Why just last night had a guy try to shoot me in my chute on the way down - and this was also funny - he impacted right next to me and I got the kill and the perk points with a safe landing. He obviously died in action - big perkie point penalty.
Moral to the story? Shoot chutes but do it carefully! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Rape, pillage, then burn...
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Creamo can you post that jpeg you made of the chute shooting in this thread please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I shot a chute last week. Second one ever! Reasons is:
There I was, mindin my own business just tryin to gain alt. There were friendly bombers in the area going for a enemy base. This high P51 instead of going after the bombers that were bombing his base he looses his alt by commin after me!!
I mean I am no threat at all. I see this and dive figuring this putz would not lose all of his alt and break off. No! No! No! This mellonhead comes after me on the deck. Now Im upset because I lost my alt! I am hoping the bomber boys are destroying his base also.
I evade this schmoe and went for more alt. I turn to engage again and see a fellow countryman flame this burnout. Well this dipstick bailed and pulled the ripcord! HeHe!!
I lined up on his floating arse and pulled the trigger! It felt sooo good!
Motto of this story: He should of went after the bombers!!
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Shooting parachutes is part of the game IMHO.
Even from a pure scoring point of view, it makes a lot of sense. Anytime I can stop someone's kill streak, I gain something in the game especially now that the perk system is on the way.
I studied game theory (not flightsims or PC games, but theories that apply to ALL games) a bit back in school, and whacking guys in their chutes makes perfect sense from a pure game theory point of view. If I shoot someone in a parachute, they have a net loss of score, rank, and now perk points, and I have a net gain relative to them. Maybe it's my Real Life training, where second place is DEAD DEAD DEAD, but I play to win. I don't cheat in online gaming since that isn't "winning" even though I cheat like a maniac in real life aerial combat, but that is just about the only concession I make while playing online games.
That's my opinion of course, since some people really do get a lot of enjoyment out of allowing other gamers full or partial unearned victories. All I can say to the vocal ones is they are barking up the wrong tree when they try to convince someone who plays to win that shooting chutes in the GAME is somehow immoral or wrong.
Of course, some other people take that extra step, and will cheat the game. All I can say to that is "what's the point?" If you want to be the best virtual pilot, play with the same rules everyone else uses. If you want to be the best cheater, please give HTC some respect and go find another game to be the best cheater in.
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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I tried to shoot a chute last night and I'll bet that Rook is still laughing.
I was in my favorite ride, the ostwind, and I used about a hundred rounds on him in the air and after he landed and got 1 bird and several sheep and after the battle moved away I got a whole bucket of worms out of the ground I tilled.
The ostwind is still too tough but I cannot hit anything with it anyhow.
Shoot 'em if ya got 'em....or not, in the overall scheme of things it matters not.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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Originally posted by Suave1:
Creamo can you post that jpeg you made of the chute shooting in this thread please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thats easy to find. Its linked off the FDB website main page that Gordo hasn't updated since MAY! Slacker!
Chute Kill PiX (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/003378.html)
BTW, ya ever notice that Superfly never changed those aweful blocky heads? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Wonder why?
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Damn.. that still makes me laugh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by milnko:
Unfortunatly too many people forget that there IS someone on the other side of that connection, and fail to treat them with the respect they would if they were in the same room with them.
Milnko,
Please be assured that if I ever shoot your shute down (highly unlikely), that act in no way expresses my disrespect to you or any other player.
If I do detect that it is you under that shute and remember this conversation, knowing your preferences, I will not attempt to do that since pissing people off is not my objective.
You are right, if I played a board game in a room face to face, I would not do that if I expected a person to throw a tantrum.
On the other hand it is much easier to thow tantrums over the anonimity of the Internet.
miko
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Haven't done it so far, bus reading this sure makes it sound like fun...