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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sachs on December 16, 2002, 04:41:15 PM
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That is what I see of it. Sorry, but I was expecting more. 1.10 version 8. 3 worthless planes and a tank that will become the envy of the attacking aircraft. Stuka I can see as usable, the others hanger queens to say the least. Can't wait for another 6 months to go by for another incredible patch. Venting and pissed.
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Wew... good thing HTC thinks about more than just your opinion when working towards the next release.
AKDejaVu
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The babies on the bus go WAH WAH WAH, wah wah wah, WAH WAH WAH.
Go try WW2Offline, that'll really give you something to whine about, and you'll come back and thank your lucky stars for this game.
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Gman and you wonder why we didn't let you in our squad lol. Anyway, from what I have seen the stuka has got 2000 rounds of 30mm now. Manned acks dont die and well the list will start. I would have rather seen more planes added then.
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Well, FYI, I was part of the group that started your squad, JG2, back in the Hblair/Ripsnort days, so you'ld technically just be letting me "back" in.
The reason you didn't let me in is because I have a personal deficiancy which makes me grab on to the tail of whiners and yank it as much as possible, and this seems to be a predominantly (not all) l/w trait.
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Technically speaking we took over JG2, we had our own squad for quite sometime before that.
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Gman, we could always resurrect the original JG2 if you like . :p
Originally posted by Gman
Well, FYI, I was part of the group that started your squad, JG2, back in the Hblair/Ripsnort days, so you'ld technically just be letting me "back" in.
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Haha, you want to? I really didn't want to be a part of the "new" Jg2 (like the "new" tnn?) so much as I wanted to fly with my homie Fork from here in town, who just happens to be part of that squad.
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Wow...must be a new record. It took all of about 63 minutes for someone to post the first "new version sucks and why didnt HTC make it better" whine.
Way to go Sachs....moron.
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Sachs please post in the correct thread.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72884
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Aarrrgh
You.......
Arggggghhhhhh
I...ack.....gark......
Aaaargh
For Goodness sake Sachs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
palef
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Jeez, I guess I'm a whiner too. :( Because I expected more than this from a 6 month production schedule since the last release. I don't think its the downfall of HTC or any crap like that. But I'm certainly disappointed.
The new splash screen is nice, the artwork on the Ju87 and other new aircraft are nice, especially considering the limit of 256x256 textures, but what else? I at least expected some new terrains, but when I logged in, it was the same old same old Mindinao.
*sigh* I'm definitely a jaded crusty old veteran. No arguements. But I couldn't let Sachs get hammered alone for saying something that I'm sure many others are feeling as well :)
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Originally posted by Vermillion
No arguements. But I couldn't let Sachs get hammered alone for saying something that I'm sure many others are feeling as well :)
Like me. Hope the works on the future version are in an advanced stage.
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Word...
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Lets hope 1.12 with mission arena is out next 2 months.
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Damn, that sucks for you AG. If I were you, I'd cancel my account pronto!
SOB
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I think a lot of work went into coding things that aren't as obvious as a new plane.
Made improvements to the network smoothing code and raised the packet rate for very close targets
This game was already the best I'd seen in that department and now it'll be even better.
I'll take that over another aircraft.
As for minor bugs, these guys also have the best record for squashing them as fast as possible. I'll trust them to do that again.
You know, as this program keeps getting larger, revising it IS going to take more time and present more opportunities for bugs to creep in.
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MY GOD.....I cant believe the WHINING!......
HITECH...GREAT JOB WITH YOUR PATCH!!!!!!!!!!
Hey if you dont like the patch.....Make your own patch to help the guys at HiTechCreations out.
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Sachs, with all respect, HTC has been known to take baby steps to achieve great future additions...this is one of them. I'd rather have small releases every 3 months or so and prevent programmer burn out than get everything in one shot. 4 years of programming the same sim and they're still coming back to put out more...thats fine with me, no matter what size.
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ju87 has almost 4000 lbs of ord, bye bye hangers. the smoothing and increased packets for close in shooting for dweebs like me that cant hit anything!
tanx HTC
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As ripsnort has already said, this patch is a quality improvement that will allow for both better gameplay and future additions.
Many game companies never get to the point of instituting the kind of Quality Control that is 2nd nature to HTC because the publisher has either pulled the plug on the game because it lost money (like 98% of games do) or they are too busy working on the next title.
The overall tone of the vocal minoroty is that they didn't get their special tweak, GV, or aircraft, so they are "disappointed".
How well do YOU cope with negative feedback, or criticism that damns with faint praise?
Constructive criticism is listened to by the HTC crew and generally acted on. A lot of the stuff in this patch is to address issues the vocal minority raised. Well you got some of the things you wanted at the expense of other issues being left to later versions.
I shall now peform my own personality deconstruction to save you all the effort of typing angry judgemental responses
palef sux
palef should shut up and stop telling us what to do with our $US14.95 a month
palef's K/D sux so what right does he have to tell us "experten" to pull our heads in?
palef's Hit %age sux so what right does he have to tell us "experten" to pull our heads in?
palef's K/H suck so what right does he have to tell us "experten" to pull our heads in?
Please feel free to use your negative creative energies to expound at length on my many other personal problems, deformities, and socially unacceptable habits. (I've been Bishop, and am now Rook so I am perfectly aware of both the Sheep and the Goat "thing")
palef
Edited to remove redundant multiple suck /sux entries.
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Nice Post Palef.......
PS dont make fun of sheep or goats....LOL
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palef hits it on the head:D
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Please DON'T make your own patch... That's a good way to get banned :eek:
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Sachs, with all respect, HTC has been known to take baby steps to achieve great future additions...this is one of them. I'd rather have small releases every 3 months or so and prevent programmer burn out than get everything in one shot. 4 years of programming the same sim and they're still coming back to put out more...thats fine with me, no matter what size.
Agree here. 1.10 was very alarming, 1.11 is stable and promising. Knowing that AH is pure C, and around 400k LOC, I was afraid that AH is close to its structural limits, at which new bugs are there faster, than old one removed.
It is quite possible that some part of mission arena and mission arena planeset additions are ready already, and 1.12 is 3 months or less. IMO 1.12 shall be fast after 1.11, and shall not be a major release, but the one which will add new content to 1.11 release.
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I think its plainly obvious that theres been a lot of work on the coding to do with the performance of the game rather than eye candy or loads of aircraft.
Now that the bad warping behaviour that seemed to come with 1.10 has seemingly been reduced to a minimum I predict that HTC will concentrate on the additional model aspects of their programming, ie adding new aircraft and features.
I must admit i was a lil' disapointed at the aircraft line up but only because i have been spoiled in the past by quite large numbers of new planes and vehicles.The only thing that was suprising for me was the lack of sherman M4.I thought that was coming for sure? Dunno where i got that idea but i thought id read it on here.
I think that the mission theatre has also taken up a lot of the development time but i for one would not want to wait any longer for it to be finished and have it delay what we have now with 1.11.Over christmas we have new aircraft to mess around with.
1.12 is bound to be a lot shorter than 1.11 in development. If only because they have already done a lot of work on one of the next features (ie mission arena)
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Of all the asinine posts and whines I have read on this board, I gotta say this is pretty damn close to being the best.
WTG Sachs, you have cracked the top 5! You are now in the league of such greats as RAM and Mandoble!
Now, maybe I have seen too many X-Files episodes, but is it just me or are all the really classic whiners LW fans? Talk about a conspiracy.
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What is wrong with this new version?
What is wrong with the whiners is perhaps a better question.
FIRSTLY
We got the Stuka. Slow and vulnerable as in RL, but packs a deadly bombload. Also turns well. Been whined for and asked for since the beginning of AH. And the artwork is really nice.
Also, a must for CT and such. BoB, Desert wars, Eastern front etc
We have the Kate. No MA stuff, but a cutie and a must for scenarios.
We have the 163. Yeahhh. Did you try that thing! WOW
Very good for defending HQ. And only available for that, not to spoil gameplay
We have a new MUSTANG, all nice.
And then we have a killer Tank...the Tiger!!!!!!!!!!
Finally something to do with the GV perks
Plus some graphical goodies...gun flashes...
SECONDLY
I think we have the biggest lot of fixes yet in one go. This will elliminate a lot of whines, - that is to say, whines that were correct. Hurray for that!
Besides, those fixes are more or less all pointed at by US, the community of customers!!!!
THIRDLY
Next version is presumably very close. Remember that some things were supposed to be in this patch, but were postponed in order not to delay it beyond Xmas (I presume).
A most exciting thing there is the new mission arena, but I would not be surprized if HTC had some other trump cards in their sleeve.....
FINALLY.
Be happy. This is a great update, and a good and merry XMAS to HTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Well Written ANGUS!
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IMHO
It's very painful but HTC would have to switch for the new game engine (AH 2.0) sooner or later. So the implementation of new planes right now is a wasting of time and resources of their small development team because the new engine sure requires new 3D artworks for all the planes and new flight models.
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For one thing you do not see me posting and crying in this forum. I waited for this patch along with the squad I belong to in anticipaition that this would be a welcome change from the burnout we were suffering. I know HT will fix the problems, but from the 6 month stretch of not seeing anything new added this was a disappointment in my eyes. If you can't accept what I feel and think no problem. I just voice my opinion, sorry if I didn't jump on the WOW WTFG band wagon like some other notables that float around this So called BBS.
I have been around this game for quite sometime now, the one positive thing I see is the addition of multiple structures for the buff pilots, which I have yet to see. Tigers taking hits that go right through them and hit on other side, stukas winning in Ho's, manned acks killing you even though they are down just to name a few. I don't understand the choices of the palnes that were added. the stuka is arguably the only one I can agree with. Where are the rockets for the FW-190 F8??????? Now that we have a 1800 KG bomb will this be added for the Ar-234 and the 190F8? Just really frustrated right now. Take it how you want to.
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I bet some of you whine during sex too :)
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well, I for one am glad that HT continue to improve the quality of gameplay at the expense of bowing to every single wish for a new plane or vehicle. fixing bugs & making improvements that we dont nessesarily see makes it more enjoyable for the majority & less frustrating. I have had a few minor problems with setup & j/stick control which the guys from HT responded to quickly & helped fix. I say thanks guys & keep up the good work.:cool:
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Sach, I think I know what you meant, and I guess it is a large patch more than it is a big expansion pak or whatever with lotsa planes and new maps. However, you said you are 'pissed' which is quite laughable, I mean come on. How could you be actual upset about a patch?
I think it's a good post though because it should be brought up that players really like to SEE something in a update. Code smoothing isn't as obvious as say new maps. A new map would go a long way in getting people excited about a new release, with minimal effort in comparison to say the connection stuff ironically. Why not just include a new map?
The new P51 is a great example of eye candy. It looks so damn good that you know you got a update. ( Very interesting idea on the planes -aper- btw. I really hope they would opt to just redo all the planes like the P51 with real guages and layouts though, and maybe turn down the green in the arena. The P51 is as good as I'd need for graphics. )
Oh, and your sig is stupid.
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Ok, here's my stupid whine for the night...
HT, it's taking me too long to download the new patch even with my cablemodem, so I am being denied the opportunity to really whine properly about the new patch. Could you pretty please kick off all the LA7 dweebs so I can download it more quickly? I figure that should eliminate most of the bishes as well, thus creating both bandwidth and sidebalancing in one fell-swoop.
Gimmeee the patch, waaaaahhhhh.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by palef
[BPlease feel free to use your negative creative energies to expound at length on my many other personal problems, deformities, and socially unacceptable habits. (I've been Bishop, and am now Rook so I am perfectly aware of both the Sheep and the Goat "thing")
palef
Edited to remove redundant multiple suck /sux entries. [/B]
What about bein' a Kiwi all yer life?? that had to have somethin' to do with it! ;-)
he he, couldnt resist it.
I agree with everything else you said though, great patch I reckon, best part being NEW CITIES TO CARPET BOMB!! :)
And the P51-D artwork.....awesome.
Blue
psssst All Blacks suck ;-)
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Did I miss something....I only flew 2 flights in the new patch before heading off to work...but are there new cities? Did they change anything to the bases or strat stuff? Thanks.....
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Striaght from the readme Terrains have been reworked with larger cities and factory complexes with denser objects.
Blue
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Nice points, Angus
Just find it comical that the beta team didnt catch the 800 x 600 bug?
I love new versions like anyone else. I just wish the bugs were hard to spot. I like that lemony-fresh polished smell I guess ;)
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Blue,
Thanks I checked out the HITECH post and got all the info...appreciate it! :)
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I was hoping for the Ki.84. I didn't get it, but its all good. Maybe it'll come in 1.12 or 1.13.
The Tiger I rocks and the P-51D is gorgeous.
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I think the best part of this patch is the net work smoothing code. I didnt see a single plane warp when I got in close tonight. Eye candy is nice, but not at the expense of gameplay :)
Nice job on the patch HTC, look forward to the next one :)
Sachs....the manned ack bug was fixed VERY rapidly by HTC. No one is perfect, but not many are better than HTC about jumping in and fixing bugs that get introduced with a new patch :)
Elfie
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When building anything......the foundation must be sound. This not only includes building architecture, but software architecture you plan to build upon. If the footers is faulty....the building will suffer damage. Same applies to software coding. New version looks good to me.
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psssst All Blacks suck ;-) [/B]
The sad thing is - you're not wrong!!! :D
palef
PS Cheers mate - nothing like some good natured trans-Tasman rivalry :)
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What a extaordinarily daft post.
A huge part of their work has had to be post-poned to the next version, i.e. the mission theatre. I hardly think they've been sitting on their collective arses these last few months.
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beyond all the fanboi'isms and starfish kissin overall AG is right......
Its a real shame.....
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Actually I think HTC should be flattered by this post. It's ultimate proof that they've spoilt AH players so rotten that come christmas they expect their ten shiny new birds on the runway. Name any other game that recieves the same amount of bugfixing and expansion as AH in as short a time...
Now, that said, fix the Hurri IID! :p
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Hehe, Really good point Duma.
We are spoiled allright.
Honestly, I doubt there is any other internet game/sim that takes the community feedback as seriously as AH.
Apar, here's one for you:
Why would HTC need to rework (from scratch) all the flight models (aerodynamics). With new engines in other sims, the FM's surely didn't get much better (i.e. Warbirds)
Isn't the FM a code, weawed with data and algorythms. Why would you have to start from scratch there?
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Oh ferchristsakes, dont be so surprised. With the player base this game has of course someone was gonna whine.
Many people wont notice everything that went into this update, blimey most of em wont have even read the readme. A lot of people (ok prolly mainly the younger ones) will see this update as 3 new toys and some flashy lights when you pull the trigger......and then of course will wonder what HTC has been playing at for the last 170 odd days. It looks to the general plebs that the longest awaited update in AH history contains the fewest new toys.
The only thing I'm wondering is why on earth HTC modeled an early stuka without the cannons and not the cool one with the siren but now that every flight involves watching cons fly around in real smooth ACM the wondering about the stuka is quickly replaced with just general wonder and awe.
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
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Swoop - this version of the Stuka is the best of both worlds; because it doesn't have the 20mm it can be used in early war scenarios and it can easily be turned into the 37mm cannon armed, tank-busting G-1 with a simple modification. It's a versatile addition.
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Originally posted by Vermillion
Jeez, I guess I'm a whiner too. :( Because I expected more than this from a 6 month production schedule since the last release. I don't think its the downfall of HTC or any crap like that. But I'm certainly disappointed.
The new splash screen is nice, the artwork on the Ju87 and other new aircraft are nice, especially considering the limit of 256x256 textures, but what else? I at least expected some new terrains, but when I logged in, it was the same old same old Mindinao.
*sigh* I'm definitely a jaded crusty old veteran. No arguements. But I couldn't let Sachs get hammered alone for saying something that I'm sure many others are feeling as well :)
I guess thath the CTD tracking consumed a lot of ressources.
btw this single line :Made improvements to the network smoothing code and raised the packet rate for very close targets.
is GREAT !
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If my memory is not totally gone (which is possible, btw), I think a nice big number of us were on agreement that we rather like ironing the game than new planes. I'm still of that opinion and, thus, I don't think this is a bad update, especially if I bear in mind that they are just fixing the Mission Arena.
I would be betting that Misision Arena is quite complicated issue, and a major quantum leap, so I'm just glad they just throw us this bone meanwhile. And I don't want to be understood like I'm saying this is a minor update. Maybe it took too long, but I do like the net code thinghy a lot. Same the perk/numbers balancing issue. Let alone Tiger ;).
All in all, I understand some frustration because of the apparent lack of relevance in new features. I just disagree on this, as I thing major things are addressed, and delay on 1.11 could be because of Mission Arena.
Happy 1.11 camper (so far) here :)
Cheers,
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The stuka version is the correct one as it opens it to multiple useage in different events.
Ofcourse folks will give an opinion about whats going on. Ag's "whine" is no where near the level of those members of the "whine police".
Someone has to given the fan bois something to shake their pom poms at.
Whipe the brown of your chins if ya dont like the whines hell dont read it.
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Perhaps it's the way the post is written, rather than the content.
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That is what I see of it. Sorry, but I was expecting more. 1.10 version 8. 3 worthless planes and a tank that will become the envy of the attacking aircraft. Stuka I can see as usable, the others hanger queens to say the least. Can't wait for another 6 months to go by for another incredible patch. Venting and pissed.
yeah I see your. Thats terrible of AG and I sure havent read anything worse......
Face it guys were waiting their guns cocked to call out whiner. No matter how bad of an update it could have been.
Are CMs still getting comped accounts? maybe that was it?
:D
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Some people may have missed these things from the online talk in the arena:
Hitech fixed the field guns already, was implemented with an arena reset.
The new map hitech said is "not quite ready yet", though every one of the current maps we do have has been changed. There was some talk about the pizza map now being a new version as well - (but I did not understand what they meant).
Though I myself have not tried the stuka, tiger, or 163 yet, it did seem like people were having alot of fun.
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Originally posted by hazed-
...I must admit i was a lil' disapointed at the aircraft line up but only because i have been spoiled in the past by quite large numbers of new planes and vehicles.The only thing that was suprising for me was the lack of sherman M4.I thought that was coming for sure? Dunno where i got that idea but i thought id read it on here.
I've been stumping for the Sherman M4 since the last release, hoping to round out the Allied gv set so that future historical scenarios could include a ground component (El Alemain, Cassino, D-Day, The Battle of the Bulge, and Sicily come to mind). I'm glad we got the Stuka - its been long overdue. I'm also glad we got the Tiger 1 so that I can start burning off my gv perk points. Hopefully in the next release we'll get a German half-track of some sort with 20mm guns, or something equal to the M16.
Now that we got my Stuka, I think its time to stump for the Ki-84 Hayate to round out the Japanese planeset, and the Dewoitine D520 to get a French plane for early war scenarios.
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Originally posted by hazed-
I must admit i was a lil' disapointed at the aircraft line up but only because i have been spoiled in the past by quite large numbers of new planes and vehicles.The only thing that was suprising for me was the lack of sherman M4.
Hazed...to be sure, HTC has spoiled many of its users. BTW pitiful whiney folk...the last update was 3 months ago.....not 6 :D .
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I don't care if sachs whines but it looks like he got it backwards.. I asked for a 163 to kill milkrunning fluffs allmost a year ago.. I think they will be a worthy addition and actually be of some use... the stuka... LOL what a turd. It was a turd in the war and even worse in the MA.. we won't even see one in the arena a month from now except for maybe some of the more "ridgid" LW squads using em. Besides... ag flys a D9 so his views are not important to the majority of players. He is playing a different game than most of the rest.
lazs
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umm check all his scores laz he flies about everyplane and I bet his kills per time would make you blush.
But you will then say he just vulches in his d9 when hes not at 20k feet and running, right?
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I can understand why Sachs is disappointed. In waiting for his special something to arrive in AH, he is no different than anyone else playing the game. We all have our own little agendas about what this game needs.
That being said, his disappointment is someone else's rapture. The CM's have been waiting for the Kate and the Stuka for sometime now, and 1.11 is a red-letter day for them. We've heard from the ground pounders who are happy about the Tiger I, and of course the P-51D dweebs are happy as clams about the new artwork for the that plane.
Personally, I suppose I could be disappointed, too, if I chose to focus on what didn't make it into 1.11. I still wait with baited breath for my beloved H8K2 Emily, which will, IMO, revolutionize gameplay in the MA(I'm sure Karnak would be more than happy to fill you in on this plane's unique abilities). But for me to focus on what wasn't added instead of what was added, is both shallow and insulting to the crew at HTC who bust their fannies to continue to make this the best online flight sim out available at the moment.
The difficulty that Pyro has as producer of AH in choosing what goes into a patch, and what doesn't, is an enormous burden. With many special interest groups working at cross purposes within the community, he has a tough juggling act to try to decide which additions take priority, and which additions can wait. Pyro is a human being, some of you forget that. When I was head CM, I spoke to him on the phone a lot, and the man is always under pressure trying to decide what takes priority. He works long and hard, as do the rest of the crew at HTC.
On a positive note, since the crew at HTC includes two programmers(HiTech, Ronni) and two artists(Superfy, Natedog), we know that in every release there will always be some bug fixes and/or game enhancements, as well as some artwork upgrades and/or new planes.
It could be a whole lot worse. For $14.95/month, we're getting a quality gaming experience that only five years ago would've cost some people over $200/month when games like this were $2/hr or more. And for that same price we've got the most responsive, most customer-oriented development staff in the business.
So, while Sachs has every right to lodge a complaint, I happen to disagree with him. No need to abuse him for speaking his mind. At the same time, a little perspective on how inexpensive this game is compared to what the market norm was a few years ago, coupled with the stellar customer service supplied by HTC, leaves me more impressed with them as a business every year they're in business.
Personally, I'm a little disappointed myself that the development period for each release seems to be growing with each one, but since I don't know what it takes to correctly size out the work, I'm not in any position to throw stones.
Life is too short to get so worked up about a small disappointment.
Blues Skies, everyone.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Whipe the brown of your chins
As compared to some that have a veritable "ring of brown" around their entire neck due to anal cranial insertion?
:p
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Ag will be ok its just post patch depression.:)
Just the build up to each release is met with things you can actually see and play with. This update was a bit anti-climatic in that most of the really good things are those unseen.
Some guys dont like it and make a post.
Then the real nature of the community comes out from folk like Gman sling and mathman.
A guy critizes a game .....big deal but what comes afterward is always more entertaining then the original "whine".
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Originally posted by Wotan
A guy critizes a game .....
......and others offer their opinions, which may or may not agree with the position of the thread-starter.
I agree. It's no big deal. It's expected, even. Otherwise, what would be the point of the BBS? It's for folks to express their views, correct?
I mean why did AG even start this thread? To see if everyone agreed? I'd think he wanted to see what everyone else thought. Put his personal opinion out for all to see and thus get a reaction from the rest of the BBS.
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Originally posted by Sachs
That is what I see of it. Sorry, but I was expecting more. 1.10 version 8. 3 worthless planes and a tank that will become the envy of the attacking aircraft. Stuka I can see as usable, the others hanger queens to say the least. Can't wait for another 6 months to go by for another incredible patch. Venting and pissed.
What a malcontent.
If you'de look past the end of your nose and on down the road a bit, each new ver. works towards a better end.
Seriously, if I owned this joint, I'de cancel the accounts of those who perpetually whined....sometimes it's best not to do business with some....it's not worth 15.00 to listen to negative crap like this.
You pay a whoppin $15.00 a month and you act like a spoiled child. Did you ever fly AW or WB's...would you rather substitute that existence for where we are now?
C'mon man...count your blessings and be glad we have a developer that grows his product rather than just sitting back and milking it.:)
Excuse me....I dropped my Pom Pom.
Don't take what I've said personally, just think about it....it could be worse ya know.
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No its not their opinions of ag being a whiner its all the personnal stuff the whine police throw in.
Go back and read it for yourself.
Then re read what ag posted.
As for why ag made the post, who cares. I am sure he knew the poms poms would come out.
EDIT
Look at Rudes post wtf is he pissed about what AG thinks. Its a game after all.........
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"Personal stuff"? Mostly what I see is folks calling him a "whiner". Gee, that's never been done much here before.
Seems I've noticed you doing more and more "whine police" work yourself over the last few months. ;)
I'll be sure to highlight it when next I see it.
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Originally posted by Wotan
As for why ag made the post, who cares. I am sure he knew the poms poms would come out.
Just as sure as "Score" and back slapping would come out in any thread you post in.
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RE: your edit and Rude's post.
I think Rude is taking a "business owners" viewpoint. If nothing you do ever satisfies a particular customer, it might be better just to ask him to take his business elsewhere.
Not singling out Sachs or anyone else but there ARE some folks that wouldn't be happy no matter what was done, improved, released, added, etc. In short, they'd b*tch if you hung 'em with a new rope. NOTHING will make them happy.
Rude's saying it's probably best to just ask folks like that to take their business elsewhere.
Constructive criticism is always welcome I think. The trick is to criticize constructively and politely. Treat others the way you'd expect to be treated if you were on the other side of the counter.
As I said, this isn't pointed at any individual and not even at anything in this thread other than Rude's apparent viewpoint.
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Ricky: "Lucy I'm home......."
Lucy: "In here Ricky......."
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Rip I can bring your back slapping threads if you like. You are one of the biggest hypocrits on this board.
Preach on kettle :rolleyes:
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Toad maybe I am reading umm wrong.
like Rude's post
Take the 1st line
What a malcontent.
If you'de look past the end of your nose and on down the road a bit, each new ver. works towards a better end.
It seems to set a different tone then one expressing his opinion about customer relations.
Or Slings
Your a moron
Or what you could read in a few others. Thats a different tone then ag being
pissed
about a patch.
As for my poms poms thats some what true but it was more about defending friends. Look at the threads the contest announcement spawned.
A bunch folks not just whining but calling certain people cheaters and all sorts things because they may pursue rank with in the game as a form of fun. Now theres several guys in my squad who fly and enjoy going after rank. I was defending them not ah.
The only other thing I can think off is killshooter or perk planes. I like both as is.
And rip lazs brought stats up but you had your blinders on didnt ya.......
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Pronunciation: "mal-k&n-'tent
Function: noun
Date: 1581
: a discontented person: a : one who bears a grudge from a sense of grievance or thwarted ambition b : one who is in active opposition to an established order or government
Wotan....pay special attention to the bold type.
I'm not trying to degrade anyone, as I pointed out in the same reply. If they smell, look and act like a malcontent, then most likely they are. It's a word in the english language which seems to describe where he was comin from...thought it appropriate.
I guess my life and outlook on things like a game, must be very different than some of you. I wish all I had to be concerned with was AH....some of you act like this is life or death.
I enjoy AH and care about many of the same things you all do, it's just that I'm not going to pop a vein or wear black all day at my office just because what I wanted to see didn't come about.
Give it some serious thought.....isn't $15.00/month a great deal for what we have here? Isn't it kinda silly to get too bent about any of it?
Just my thoughts is all....I'll be quiet now:)
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All I can say is that in the 7 months I have been in AH I have seen more updates, patches, vehicles and improvements than in the last 3 years of Air Warrior.
On top of that HTC seems to take suggestions from the entire community rather than just from a vocal minority that ruled AW and dictated game play/development.
Some of you are saying this is a puny patch with limited vehicles… Sorry to hear that-BUT for someone coming from AW land this is still a gigantic update—I mean new vehicles/planes, new factory layouts, net coding, graphics, gun effects—my god-I’m a kid in a candy shop. :D
When AW went from AWIII to the much-vaunted AW Millennium—I believe it had less changes…
I for one love the improvements and will take them in any dose that HTC dishes them out. The only time to be afraid is when the updates just stop coming…:eek:
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Personally, I too was a bit disappointed that I didn't get more toys to play with from Santa HTC. Nothing serious mind you, just alittle miffed. I've been on the edge of burn out and thought some new rides would perk things back up.
But...Rudes post, even if a bit rude, put things right back into perspective.
I haven't flown more than 2 offline attempts at WB's, but I hear about the major problems its had/has.
AW? Now you wanna talk about eons between updates? Lemme tell ya boud id:
Once long ago, there was a Jug. This Jug had a roll rate of a B-17...well actually, the AW B-17 had a better roll rate. People Whined. People complained...squeaked. Reams and reams of data. Screamed! I'm sure some cancelled accounts. Finally one day, the dorks that be decided to release an update. This was like the 2nd one I'd seen in 2 years. No new planes. None. You see, they did everyone a favor. They UPDATED the JUG!!! Guess what. The roll rate was even WORSE!
Now that I'm properly in perspective...
WTFG HTC!!! Great JOB!!! Bring us MORE! when ya get a chance that is, no hurry, no rush! Just do it guys! You da Men! (and da ladies)
Ok, who stole ma mofo pomdepoms? Can I borrow one from ya Rude? Rip?
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Thanks guys.
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I'm happy, I didn't expect the entire planeset of WWII to be done in a mere 3 years.
-SW
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"a discontented person: a : one who bears a grudge from a sense of grievance or thwarted ambition b : one who is in active opposition to an established order or government"
Good God thats Me! It's all so clear now, the releaf! Wooo Hooo I am "discontented", I download the patch got pised about the osty played with Me 163 loved it, got pised about the hoaky comandcouple on the Tiger piss por sight and said well what the hell it's not WW2 onlne, I play AH for the planes not the GV's, Flew the Stuka loved it, love the big bomb, got pised becuase none of the other German planes got anynew weapons load out's, flew the Kate loved it, woundered why no 800KG bomb, or no 60KG bombs got bumbed about about that,loged and went and played WW2 online. All in all a very emotional day.
Frabkly I have played this game to much, and I have expected to much, loard knows they bust their balls at HTC, I know this, yet I get bothered by the above things, I play to much, I expect to much.
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I don't know why you are so surprised or bothered by all of us jumping on Sachs. I mean, since we are Allied Opportunists, we can only beat the Great German Hero of the Fatherland if we attack in swarms. Its a repeat of what happened 60 years ago.
Who says you can't learn from history?
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Mathman, you know they were good only because they were stick stirrers!
-SW
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Well... I was abit disappointed to. Actualy I went into a good tirade on the squad channel about the same ol GB I gotta fly in a hoard dweebie sh*& thats so common anymore in the MA. This was tied to the lack of new maps I quess. Then I went off about the lack of planes in this update that would at least add some difference in the late war rides seen so much in the MA...ie the KI-84.
So...I got myself a 12pack and drunk myself into a happy stupor. I then stumbled down the stairs..moning to my wife about how much life sucked and how AH has ruined my... oh yea, it didnt really.
The first paragraph happened...the 2nd did not. After I logged I simply fiqured I could A: find a way to enjoy this game or B: cancel my account and do something else.
No idea which way I'll swing.
I will say that despite my frustration w/the game lately HTC DOES work thier collective buttocks off. They have a great product Its simply a fact that not every great product will appeal to EVERYBODY.
Once again... yea..i screamed and kicked some cause I didnt get the world (virtual) the way I wanted. Then my 36+ yrs kicked in and I got over it ie see above.
If I keep typing will you guys keep reading my spewage?
xBAT
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No. ;)
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HUN and Lizard hit it on the head. Many in this community really have no idea how good we have it here. If that makes me a cheerleader, well, I'm a cheerleader who has my eyes open. As soon as development and customer service go WAY downhill, or AH becomes too outdated or the gameplay too boring, I'll do the exact same thing I did in AW -- look for something else. Gamestorm and EA (with some assistance from the business decisions made by the Kasmei developers) helped kill the concept of blind loyalty for me in a game like this.
BTW, I liked how the B-17 could out turn a zero in AW. I guess they forgot to calculate drag, control forces and realistic acceleration when they were concentrating on raw wing loading. I don't recall that being fixed. And, as noted, the Jug - man was that a long burning issue. We're not talking some marginal 5% performance issue or a missing loadout that perhaps 5% of the community (being generous here?) places as a main priority. I'm talking something similar to a 109 being one of the slowest climbers in the game. I actually started to think there was an intentional desire to resist change with the jug because someone's ego just couldn't stand being wrong or something over a past decision.
And it is funny. For Sachs, what little was good with the patch (stuka) was LW, all that was wrong with the patch was LW related, yet there is no appreciation of the fact that we have a Tiger, correct bomb weights/metric, the ME-163, Arado jato corrections, as mentioned the Stuka... of all the good, playable fun stuff in the patch the LW seems to have come out rather ahead.
Charon
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The list is long Oed :) I was very happy to find this game, since I had become a malcontent of the highest order before I left AW. I suppose that underscores a point too. If something like AH gets you that worked up, burned out, angry or bored - why bother?Find a better place to hang your hat, a place more in tune with your needs, and start relaxing and enjoying the hobby again.
This is not one of those, "don't let the door hit you in the ass..." things. Just a personal observation of how I had wasted several years in AW when I could have been trying WB or AH and enjoying myself more.
Charon
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Originally posted by Toad
No. ;)
Toad.
xBAT
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I'm a little bit ho-hum about this release myself. I usually don't get too excited about anything other than new aircraft so 1.11 is a bit of a let down for me. BUT... thats not to say I don't appreciate the effort. Heck... I was satisfied with Aces High two years ago and consider upgrades gravy anyway.
Aces High is kickass! Each new release makes it a little bit more so!
Thanks HTC!
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Wow ... I thought I would never say this. But damn guys...
Being a AH cheerleader is ok, no problems there. Hell, I've been a big proponent of AH, and have tried to do things for the community and contribute around here (as many others have). I've been to the last two cons, I consider each and every employee at HTC a friend, even Natedog :p
But this place is turning into a total "fanboi's" hangout, where if you disagree, its heresy. And.. BURN THE WITCH! BURN THE WITCH! Damn, I almost thought I was reading the IL2 or WWIIOL boards.
Yup this update sure is great for the CM's and the CT/Early War types, no arguement there. But the last 3 updates have totally focused on toys for those types of AH'ers. And please, don't point out the Tiger Tank or the Me163. Perk toys are ok, but are very limited accessibility for most people, and both are extremely limited in application by other things as well. Fuel limiters on the 163 (bet there were a ton of perkies lost last night) will make it quite rare, which is the way it should be. The Tiger? I didn't drive one, but if tanks are still being de-tracked by MG's you would have to be stupid to spend perks on one.
Guys that like the MA need a little bit of something to keep them going as well. And there has been VERY little of that lately.
So don't come down so hard on Sachs alone. Like I said, I agree with him. I'm disappointed as well. Of course that doesn't affect YOUR enjoyment of the game, so please... enjoy it! :) But realize that for some players (probably quite few more than you realize, most are not willing to risk the wrath of the fanboi's), it really was more of a patch than an update.
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Sachs has been griping like a 2 year old with a poopy diaper since his first post here about 3 ID's ago. Keep that in mind when reading responses to this thread.
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Originally posted by Vermillion
And please, don't point out the Tiger Tank or the Me163. Perk toys are ok, but are very limited accessibility for most people, and both are extremely limited in application by other things as well. was more of a patch than an update.
Not to be disagreeable, but you forgot to consider the "Wow!" factor such inclusions create for players of "other" games. In such a mode one has to agree these were in fact excellent choices.
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Sachs has been griping like a 2 year old with a poopy diaper since his first post here about 3 ID's ago. Keep that in mind when reading responses to this thread.
The real question is how many times has he threatened to quit? I bet ya got umm beat.....:p
Anyone remember his 1st post......... Wow that was a whine....
:D
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Yes I think I remember his first post, and it still makes me prejudiced against him, even though he has made a lot of good posts too.
PS I QUIT!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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it was Sturm06
"Pyro and HT WTF (abbreviated here) Did you do to the Dora"
His 1 st post and about 15 min after the update that gave us the d9 152 etc.........
That was classic..........
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Actualy the Stuka and the Kate realy did nothing much for me as a CT staffer except of course add depth, but it actualy hurt playbalance issues we have had and will continue to have.
They are extreamly Beautifull howeaver, I spent quiet a lot of time flying them yesterday.
One thing we must remember is the the Kate and the Stuka being multy crew panes take more time for HTC to model than just a one seat fighter type, not to mention the hard loving that went into that Tiger, Whos Comand couple is still ;porked btw.:)
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Brady - mate - I know you are spelling challenged, but I've driven tigers, looked all over them in the film and I still can't find this couple doing what couple's do. (You mentioned Porking? :D)
Hang on a minute
You mean Cupola!!!
:)
palef
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Holy crap I forgot about that post. man you guys need some serious help if you can remember a guys first post. :) All I can say is I knew this would become a flame war strictly by saying what I felt amazing how that works. As for my views well they still stand I must say I like the Tiger, that is about all I got out of this update so far. For those that can type their incredible fantasy of support that is fine. Just posting what I felt.
I guess I should go on my lynching crusade of the Nay sayers? Not to found of it and it is rather boring. I guess I will be the one dimensional AHer that I am and stick to my dora only :rolleyes: It gives me great pleasure to have been in a game for so long to see it go in the opposite direction that it once was noted for. That was sarcasm for the impaired crowd here.
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I still love ya ag :)
It was a classic post though :)
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banana,
Why did the CMs want the Kate?
That still makes no sense to me. With the aircraft we have it is impossible to do an early war Pacific senario without giving the US a non-historical advantage. That is great if you want the Japanese to be a punching bag so that the USN fliers can live their "Turkey Shoot" fantasies, but its real bad if you actually want players to fly for the Japanese.
I don't blame Pyro for adding the B5N2, but I do blame the CMs for it.
The US has:
A better fighter: F4F-4 vs. A6M2
A better torpedo bomber: TBM-3 vs. B5N2
A better dive bomber: SBD-5 vs. D3A1
A better torpedo: USN, 1944 type vs. crappy German airial torp
More players: More players always fly for the US than for Japan.
The B6N2 would have been a vastly better foil for the TBM-3. I know that the B6N2 was not available in the early war, but neither was the TBM-3. Further, it is highly unlikely that another Japanese torpedo bomber will ever be added, so we will be stuck flying B5N2s in 1944 and 1945 setups simply because it has hinomarus on it.
For the B5N2 to be balanced we'd need the TBD Devastator. I have never seen a request for that aircraft. The CMs seem quite content to setup a situation that preordains who wins and loses.
I, for one, will push for the B5N2 to be subbed in for the TBD Devastator in early pacific setups.
As it stands now the B5N2 is useless in the MA, it is useless in the CT and it is useless in scenario events.
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so after all 98 posts of you guy's roadkill, no one has addressed the issue of what the 14 megs consists of? am i over looking something here? just curious.
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I GOT BIGTIME BEEF. I just downloaded the updated version of aces high yesterday, played it, and it was cool... But now I need a patch? Is it just me or is the patch the same size as the original update (14mb or whatever) I am sure the original download worked, because i get the new backround when i go to enter the game, but the problem is It says i have an out of date version and cant play online. I went to the downloads page about 3 minutes ago, is the version i am downloading now the patch that will let me play online, or is it the same update and i am doing it again for no reason??? Please let me know someone so i can once again rule the skies...
Cobra's Rock
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Today's patch is 800 kb, which is nowhere close to the 14+ meg patch for version 1.1 to 1.11 upgrade
J_A_B
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where is the new patch at? I didnt see it under downloads aces high updates, can you please send me a link?
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AIRCOBRA,
Here:
http://downloads.hitechcreations.com/AH111T1111.EXE
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I've been wondering. SOB, what do you like to eat?
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"it's too big! it's too big!"
man.....i have to hear that all the time in my personal life now i have to read it here too....sheesh ;)
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Originally posted by myelo
I've been wondering. SOB, what do you like to eat?
BEHBEY
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Originally posted by Karnak
I don't blame Pyro for adding the B5N2, but I do blame the CMs for it.
Whatever Karnak. You make it sound like the CMs are the ones who make decisions as to which planes are gonna be modelled. HTC may ask for our input, but that doesnt mean that we make the decision on what gets put in the game. By the way, I believe everybody in the game had the opportunity to answer the same poll that we did in choosing the Kate and the SBD, if I recall correctly.
And for Wotan....I was just expressing my opinion of Sachs.....he is a moron. IMO of course.
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sling322,
It has been made pretty clear to me that the CMs were the guys who pushed for the B5N. Nobody else was set on pushing a biased setup. Because of the stuff I've heard I have to conlude that the CMs put what preasure they could on HTC.
They wanted the B5N, they got the B5N.
Now they'll get fewer Japanese participants in their setups and the USN guys get to enjoy their Turkey Shoots.
Its the CMs who'll have to deal with the fact that they've shot their setups in the foot with this.
And the poll was for the SBD and D3A, the B5N wasn't on it.
HTC messed up in the versions of the D3A and SBD they added, true, but the poll wasn't that fine. They should have added the SBD-2 and D3A1 or the SBD-5 and D3A2. Instead they added the SBD-5 and D3A1, putting the Japanese at a further disadvantage.
Speaking from the point of view of somebody in a Japanese squad, I'm tired of the Japanese aircraft being added to make it harder on us. We already are fighting two to one odds, making us do so with 1937 equippment against the USN boys 1943 equippment is roadkill.
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Oh I see....now we not only have an anti-LW conspiracy, but an anti-Japanese one as well. :rolleyes:
Damn, you caught us....HTC modelled these particular aircraft just to piss off and alienate a certain group of customers. We were just hoping that nobody would catch on until we had time to convince HTC to re-name the game Allies High.
I dont know where everybody gets the idea that the CM team has that much say in any decision that HTC makes. Maybe you should do a tour on the team and see exactly how things work. You would be surprised by how little influence we actually have on any decisions....other than adding new features to the setup tools and what-not.
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Its not a conspiracy, just poorly considered.
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I beleave all the input the CM's have consists of a list of planes they would like to see added, and it was unsolisited by HTC they simply made one and sent it to him, kinda like the ones we make on the BBS all the time which HTC reads I am shure, while initialy I felt the same way as you karnak about the presuposed influance they had and it was nice to be able to point the finger at them and say well u dumd dums what the F were you thinking I realy don't at this time feal they have much more to with it than we do.
I alos at this time feal that 90% of the AH comunity is prety cluless when it comes to the finner points that such distinction mean, while it may be a sore point for you or me it is beyond a lot of people, not becuase when presented with the fact they cant see it for what it is, but because it would never even occure to them to ask or think about it.
Take the B17 in the Midwayset up. Ya they had B 17's in Midway, they had like 4 to 6 fewer 50cal machine guns on them were slower and less well armed but what the heck who cares.
After this update, I now realise that I must wait till the next update to hope to get some more planes to actualy help in creating well balanced CT set up's, that is at least 4 to 6 months away thats 24 Ct set up's using the same plane set I have had prety much since last Summer or over 50 set up's with the same planes.
It will still be fun but the old headachs will presist, we will have some great new maps and all is not lost>:)
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wotan... Icouldn't check his scores if I tried... he has used a lot of handles and none of em are sachs.. I recall the first one and now he is ag44 or something.. I have fought him only a few times... not really fought.. just caught him when he couldn't run away. When I see him he is at full bore and runnin. I have had my differences with him in the past. He flys LW planes the way they should be flown but..... I don't like LW planes and don't like to fight em. I don't know if he ever threatened to quit burt he has quit and come back as different handles. so far... I haven't liked any of his personnas.
as for his whine.. My comments stand.. he has it backwards.. the 163 will get used and the turd stuka and jap plane won't. The patch is fine.. not much there for me but I am fine with that.
lazs
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It is quite allright for any member of this community to express how they feel about any of the work we put forth. Of course, I would always prefer it to be constructive in its manner as anything else really does not help anyone.
I am a bit suprised in some aspects of some of these posts. It seems many have simply forgotten what all has transpired since 1.10 was released.
We changed ISP's. Not something that was taken lightly and required an enormous amount of work.
We installed all new servers, with new operating systems. Again, big risks take a lot of time to ensure they are good risks.
As of 1.11, everything from the client software to the server has changed, inclusively.
Note, I am not defending our work, but there has been a lot going on that seems to have been forgotten. Anyone notice a lot less complaining about the downloads?
MOre than anything else, the quality of service was improved. While being a bit intangible, it is real.
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And for Wotan....I was just expressing my opinion of Sachs.....he is a moron. IMO of course.
Yeah thats my point you get personal over someone not being thrilled with a game patch. That tells more about you then him.
Laz AGs name is his post there, been that way for 2 years or so.
Skuzzy
I dunno ags post wasnt so bad, we have heard plenty worse. Even from the guys defending ht in this thread. Call a guy a "moron" on ch 1 ya get squelched.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Anyone notice a lot less complaining about the downloads?
Yes download went very much faster than I had ever anticipated. Last patch I think I was a day getting this one took 20 minutes. Sorry meant to mention that, but forgot. My bad.
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MOre than anything else, the quality of service was improved. While being a bit intangible, it is real.
and that would be because they hired YOU????
:D
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Originally posted by Karnak
banana,
Why did the CMs want the Kate?
That still makes no sense to me. With the aircraft we have it is impossible to do an early war Pacific senario without giving the US a non-historical advantage.
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The US has:
A better fighter: F4F-4 vs. A6M2
A better torpedo bomber: TBM-3 vs. B5N2
A better dive bomber: SBD-5 vs. D3A1
A better torpedo: USN, 1944 type vs. crappy German airial torp
More players: More players always fly for the US than for Japan.
snip
As it stands now the B5N2 is useless in the MA, it is useless in the CT and it is useless in scenario events.
Beg to differ a bit, sir. Not that you don't have some good points (I agree you do) but I believe you're too extreme in your conclusion. While there are some balance problems inherent in the as-yet limited planeset, IMO its *FAR* from "useless", and an early war scenario is *FAR* from impossible.
A few counter-points:
Agreed F4F-4 vs A6M2 isn't the correct matchup. But, until we get an F4F-3, IMO its not a bad thing to simply substitute the A6M5 for the A6M2, and we have a better balance. Not exactly historic, but still immersive enough, and better than nothing. (And I'd actually rather see an early P39 or P400 added before the F4F-3.)
Agreed Devastator is more accurate than TBM for the early stuff, and that TBM is a superior plane to Kate. But, OTOH, the torp planes don't actually interact directly like the fighters, so its feasible in scenario design to include balancing factors such as fudging the Kate numbers slightly higher and TBM numbers slightly lower, delaying launch times, creating points differentials, etc. Again, a little imagination is required, but immersion is nonetheless possible.
Repeat the last para re: SBD vs Val.
The torpedo thing is IMO your most valid beef. If you're right (I'm kinda new to AH, not completely up to speed on game specs) about IJN planes using a German torpedo, then I'd agree its pretty damned important that HTC fix this situation - either by modeling the correct torpedo, or by allowing CMs to assign the same torp to both sides' planes.
OTOH, for the purposes of a scenario, as I pointed out above its possible to hedge the rules to help balance things, and this could be applied to the torpedo situation in the meantime.
Lastly, the point about people preferring to fly US is absolutely true, my experience from AW scenarios confirms it. However, its very easy to control how many people fly which side. If the scenario design has less slots for US and more for Japan, then your complaint becomes irrelevant.
I do thank you for thinking in detail about scenario-related issues, and the thoughtful discussion. The arena is only a place to practice for scenario play, after all!
~S~
culero (scenario addict)
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*sigh*
whelp... if nothin else, readin this made my lunch pass quickly.
....and I can use the printout as hugahunk.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
....and I can use the printout as hugahunk.
Careful, printer paper leaves nasty paper cuts...
-SW
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...sheesh. so, NOW yah tell me.
ow.
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WOW !!!!!!!
I really need to stay up on the board! One day away and SLAAAAMMM we have encyclopedia brittanica here.....
On a better note....My wife and I just picked the correct numbers for the New Mexico State Lottery POWERBALL!!!!!!
Any of you guys know a good attorney?:D :D :D :D :D
PS....wife just pinched me and I woke up:mad: :mad: :mad:
Good discussions!
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I don't blame Pyro for adding the B5N2, but I do blame the CMs for it.
Karnak, as usual of late, you base your opinions on assumptions that have no basis in reality. For the record, the CM's asked for both the B5N and the B6N. Pyro gave us the B5N. I guess you could look at the glass as being half-full or half-empty. We got only a fraction of what we requested, but at least we got something.
I just resigned from the CM corps after spending the past two years trying two grow AH special events from nothing to what it is now. In that time, I sacrificed my MA and CT flying time so that I could help develop the special events.
I've done my bit for the community, now how about you? Why don't you get off that soapbox of yours, knock that chip off your shoulder, and spend the next two years trying to do something positive for the community? It's time to put up or shut up, Karnak.
You have good ideas and you shown the ability to argue rationally and logically. Now, are you also capable of walking the walk? If so, contact Daddog and tell him you'd like my spot on the scenario team.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
It is quite allright for any member of this community to express how they feel about any of the work we put forth. Of course, I would always prefer it to be constructive in its manner as anything else really does not help anyone.
I am a bit suprised in some aspects of some of these posts. It seems many have simply forgotten what all has transpired since 1.10 was released.
We changed ISP's. Not something that was taken lightly and required an enormous amount of work.
We installed all new servers, with new operating systems. Again, big risks take a lot of time to ensure they are good risks.
As of 1.11, everything from the client software to the server has changed, inclusively.
Note, I am not defending our work, but there has been a lot going on that seems to have been forgotten. Anyone notice a lot less complaining about the downloads?
MOre than anything else, the quality of service was improved. While being a bit intangible, it is real.
& thanks - it hasn't gone un-noticed by all
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Originally posted by Hangtime
*sigh*
whelp... if nothin else, readin this made my lunch pass quickly.
....and I can use the printout as hugahunk.
I have noticed that almost no post improves with the second page (if it is even still on topic typically a miracle).
Printing out your email? Good god man, this is the 2000's not the 1990's :p