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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: fscott on February 20, 2001, 09:22:00 AM
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Below 20k it is an average fighter which will have difficulty with just about any fighter in the arena now. However it's intimidating armament will always be a factor in HO's, but would a perk driver want to HO?
fscott
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I think everything should be perked.
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Gee, I can see where this thread leads, LW will say no (and understate the planes fine qualities) and non-LW will say yes.
I'll leave my decision up to the developers.
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I think nothing should be perked. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Seriously.
But I'll go with whatever Grapevine decides and adapt as required.
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Toad
Fly what you like. Like what you fly. Don't worry about what the other guy flies. It's a game.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Gee, I can see where this thread leads, LW will say no (and understate the planes fine qualities) and non-LW will say yes.
I'll leave my decision up to the developers.
You'll be surprised.
a plane that does 470mph has to be perked, more if only 50 saw service. IMO.
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I think that it should not be perked. Or a very cheap perk. Very vulnerable at low altitudes where most fights take place. I think it is just another overly dramatized piece of LW junk. The high speeds of 470+ mph makes people believe it's more than it really is. I say GIVE people perk points to fly this piece of scrap metal. Can't wait to blow it into little teeny tiny pieces.
BullWinkle
"Don't touch my BullWinkle"
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Yup Rip, that is exactly why I posted as I did. This one will degrade veeeeery quickly.
OTOH, though my other post was a joke, why not perk them all? After all, it is only a matter of how many points it takes to fly anything, right? And hey, if you want to really stop people from popping up on a runway over-and-over...
'Course this is tongue-in-cheek. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I am really curios about its handling in a dive. I am pretty sure it had trim on all axis(my Dragon 1/48 one seems to) Of course it has to be perked, HQ raids will be super hard if it is too prevelent. But with it perked you will have to think twice to attack a box of (AH)B17s in one of these. Really this is an anti pony plane. But the Pony drivers probably have the skills to use it best(if it can dive reasonably well)
Will it have pronounced control lock up as it passes 20k or 15k in a fast dive...thats what I am curios about. It would really limit its leathality if it does.
I hope they give a 20mm only option.
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Kieren does this mean that I would be spending hard earned perk points to kill vulchers with my 2000 lb loaded TBM? That's not fair.
BullWinkle
[This message has been edited by Bullwinkle (edited 02-20-2001).]
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I agree RAM but as so many have said to me it's not how many were made but will it end up dominating the MA. If that's the only criteria I think that the only way to be sure of that is to open the MA up to each of them for one tour. See how adding that plane changes things. If it's dominant then perk it. If not leave it there. Then add the next and so on tell you find out the ones that really cause problems and the ones that are just an N1K at 30k but no real threat at 15k and lower where we normally fight. I think that rarity and performance should regulate it. If it's rare and performs exceptionally (La-7, Tempest, F8F, etc.) then make it expensive. But as it is the only reason to perk one is because everyone is flying it. The only way to really find that out is to add the planes one at a time and see how each one effects the balance of the game.
[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 02-20-2001).]
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Keep them all free and look what happens.
If one of the planes is getting more than its piece of kills should be then perk it.
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Oh and G-10 is faster than TA152 in lower altitudes where most of fights happen.
Thought I'm not sure how TA152 turns in low level fight, Propably much better than G-10 (that wont take much...)
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Originally posted by Staga:
Keep them all free and look what happens.
If one of the planes is getting more than its piece of kills should be then perk it.
ahh.. this is nice idea..
Automatic perk system - give each plane amount of points which goes up/down by kills/deaths/sorties, and after enough points reached - PERKED (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
*sees chog perked*
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The only problem with that system, Staga, is that eventually everything gets perked. You see, one plane will always be more popular than all other available planes.
See? You wind up on my original premise- perk them all!
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 02-20-2001).]
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Originally posted by Kieren:
You see, one plane will always be more popular than all other available planes.
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 02-20-2001).]
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...such are the experience of Veterans of Online Simming.
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Originally posted by Jimdandy:
If that's the only criteria I think that the only way to be sure of that is to open the MA up to each of them for one tour. See how adding that plane changes things. If it's dominant then perk it.
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One problem is that it's an infinitely worse whinestorm if you come out with something for a tour, THEN perk it, than if you perk it to begin with. I agree it's best to test marginal perks first.
If it's rare and performs exceptionally (La-7, Tempest, F8F, etc.)
Umm...one of these is not like the other :-) The La-7 turned up in the summer of 1944 (same as the P-51D) and existed in large numbers. It's just an La-5FN with the same engine, greatly cleaned up aerodynamics (I've seen anywhere from 10 to 25 mph faster) and one more cannon.
No way it needs to be perked. Rumors of its uberness are likely greatly exaggerated :-)
[This message has been edited by Torgo (edited 02-20-2001).]
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To add to what Torgo is saying...if we had the P51B, then the P51D should be perked, no?
LA-5>>LA-7 is what the P51B>>P51D was..
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I meant K/D ratio; Not number of kills...
..Veterans of Online simming?
ROFLMAO ! uups...sorry (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Yep I can see my first ride in the perked TA 152:
At 32k defending HQ, attacking a B17 from his Hi 12------closing at 450mph-----range 600 getting ready to pull the trigger---ping pi-----you have been killed.
Well that was fun!
If your gonna buyem, you gotta flyum- If you flyum, you gonna dieum. ( or something like that)
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"Speed is the cushion of sloppiness"
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Originally posted by Torgo:
...One problem is that it's an infinitely worse whinestorm if you come out with something for a tour, THEN perk it, than if you perk it to begin with. I agree it's best to test marginal perks first...
[This message has been edited by Torgo (edited 02-20-2001).]
Well we already have the whine storm with the C-hog. Their going to perk it from what I understand. It's the only way to accurately see how good they are. If they don't do that it will be subjective and not in accordance with the current rational for the perk point system. Sure you can expect the F8F or Tempest to whip-up on the arena but if you really want to know how badly you have to add it to the game unperked. Add each one individually. I still say the best way to do it is a ratio of performance to rarity.
[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 02-20-2001).]
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Originally posted by Staga:
I meant K/D ratio; Not number of kills...
..Veterans of Online simming?
ROFLMAO ! uups...sorry (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
It makes no difference- eventually you wind up perking everything except the last plane.
Six years of online simming should reserve a bit of "veteran" status, though I am sure there are others with more time, as if that matters. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 02-20-2001).]
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Staga, what that was supposed to mean is...the vets have seen it all, seen the most popular planes be flown, seen the 'must wins' fly the best A/C...seen folks post under presumed names to help 'their cause'...oops! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ahh... Soup-nazi.. well that was fun one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Staga:
Ahh... Soup-nazi.. well that was fun one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yes, with no personal agenda, and known to just about everyone as well! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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BTW that roflmao came from my own experiences...
Used to have a boss who sometimes yelled "I've done this job over 20 years, I KNOW HOW THIS WORKS!" when I tried to tell him a better way...
We did it his way and company lost lots of money (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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IMHO The only fighters that should not have some cost are C.202, Spitfire Mk. V, A6M5b, Bf 109F-4, and P-47D-25.
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intimidating armament? two 20mm and 1 30mm ?
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Originally posted by funked:
IMHO The only fighters that should not have some cost are C.202, Spitfire Mk. V, A6M5b, Bf 109F-4, and P-47D-25.
LOL, I had a 'veteran' of AH tell me after a 7 kill sortie in the Zero that I should get out of that 'uber' plane... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hehehe. Get that uber-pilot out of that plane! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by fscott:
Below 20k it is an average fighter which will have difficulty with just about any fighter in the arena now. However it's intimidating armament will always be a factor in HO's, but would a perk driver want to HO?
fscott
intimidating arrmament? lol it has 3 guns.
2 20s and 1 30. and i a ho, 152 will be swiss cheese before 30mm get into range.lol
whels
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Don't believe it will be perked...if it is , it won't make much sense to this cadet.
BTW, how does the pony stack up to the 152's high alt performance?
Ice
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Of course it will be perked, any plane that can cruise at 40,000 ft at 470 mph and have excellet performance all the way down to 25k should be perked, I don't want to see alot of dweebs flying around in these and ruining its rep like the A5.
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if they model it accurately.... they will have to pay people to fly it.
lazs
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Enough ammunition for one/two passes of a main gun after which it becomes just hundreds of pounds of dead weight?
300+ extra pounds of front armor?
That plane would suck if used as fighter. Why shouldn't it? It was never ment to be a fighter. It was an interceptor intended to get point-blank close to a bomber formation, receive lots of 0.50 hits in the forward hemisphere and bring a pilot back alive.
miko
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BTW, how does the pony stack up to the 152's high alt performance?
At 30,000ft the Ta 152H-1 is 45mph faster and it's climbrate is 1000fpm greater. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If its non-perked then the P51-H should be too. Ultimate version vs ultimate version. I know the H never saw combat while the Ta-152 did, yadedahdedah... the P51H just arrived at the front too late - 555 were produced.
[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 02-20-2001).]
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Yup
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What would u see if these planes where not perkes. U send some off them at high speed high alt to nme HQ. U gain airsuperiority at once. Now u let the buffs come in at 30K (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) and the HQ is flat without any resistance. Even my p38 won't help there any more (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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BUg, then grab a Ta-152 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
I mean, that's what us LW's have been told (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
I know that you're a pretty dedicated 38 pilot, so I am sure you appreciate how lame that comment was.
:=)
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Keep up the momentum!
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On what else should i spend my perk money??
Ta 152 and arado they are worth it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I think it should be perked because there were so few of them made.
-- senna