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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gofaster on December 17, 2002, 10:24:10 AM
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I'm going to cage you, cut open your gut, stick a tube in there, and leave it there for the rest of your life. Its going to hurt so much that you'll gnaw at your own flesh in order to overstimulate your pain nerves and deaden them. If you're lucky, you'll die in a few years. If you're unlucky, you'll live longer and extend the torment.
Did I mention that you're a bear?
=====From Yahoo News=============
Rescue Center Offers Hope for China's Bile Bears
Tue Dec 17, 4:44 AM ET
By Anil Ekmecic
LONGQIAO, China (Reuters) - When rescuers whisked away 17 Moon Bears from lucrative Chinese bile farms this week to a new refuge facility in their native southwest, some had wounds weeping bile and puss and needed life-saving surgery.
Three with inoperable tumors were put to sleep by the "Moon Bear Rescue Center" in Sichuan, ending lives spent in tiny cages with surgically implanted catheters milking bile from their gall bladders.
"Their condition was beyond belief," animal activist Jill Robinson told reporters visiting the center. "They have appalling physical and mental problems."
The Asiatic black bears, called Moon Bears for the golden crescent of fur ringing their chests, are captured in the wild or bred in farms for green bile used in traditional Chinese medicine.
It hurts so much when bile is extracted that some animals gnaw at their own flesh to relieve their pain.
More than 80 bears, rescued with the help of local officials since the center began operating in 2000, are now housed in the refuge built by the Hong Kong-registered Animals Asia Foundation (AAF) at Longqiao, in the suburbs of the Sichuan capital Chengdu. Robinson founded and now heads it.
After months of recovery, bears can be seen roaming around a grass enclosure, playing with toys designed to spark instinctive behavior suppressed in bile farms.
Bear bile farms began spreading in Asia in the 1980s after development of the new method of tapping bile with catheters. Chinese farmers, which had killed bears for their gall bladders for thousands of years, adopted the practice because bears produced more bile alive than dead.
The Chinese authorities, which at first endorsed bear farms as a way of protecting bear populations in the wild, has now begun to crack down on them but has yet to ban them.
The Asiatic black bear is recognized by the U.N. Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) as an endangered species.
The Longqiao center opened after an agreement in 2000 between the AAF, the Sichuan forestry department and the state-endorsed China Wildlife Conservation Association (CWCA) to rescue 500 bears from farms and work toward ending bear farming for good.
Despite small steps taken to save some of the bears, much work lay ahead, said Robinson.
"There are thousands and thousands of bears still remaining on farms in China, still suffering, still dying as we speak.
"But at least the first steps have been made. The Chinese government is recognizing there is a fundamental problem now with bear farming in this country," she said.
SLOW PROGRESS
Bear bile farms have proliferated across China, where people consume thousands of kilograms of the bitter liquid every year to treat ailments such as soaring temperatures and liver problems, rather than take herbal or synthetic substitutes.
Sichuan authorities have closed down 35 of the farms and issued no new licenses since 1994, the AAF said in a statement.
Asked if the government backed bile farming, CWCA Secretary General Chen Runshen said: "Although bear farming is still legal, the central government does not approve of any bear farms where bears lead inhumane existences or are in bad living conditions."
CITES specifically bans international trade in the Asiatic black bear, and Chen said the Chinese government disapproved of the export of moon bear bile, although the substance has been found in shampoo, medicinal tonics and wine sold internationally.
Chen said that the number of bear farms in China had fallen in recent years while the number of bears milked for their bile had not increased. He gave no figures.
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Along with all the other various parts of endangered species that they eat to help their "problems" :rolleyes:
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They also consume powdered rhino horn to help with their male sex drives. To kill for meat or to become a part of nature is one thing, but to endanger a rare animal to enhance one's performance in bed is beyond belief. The human brain is rapidly becoming a vestigial organ.
Shuckins
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that's fluffied up
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Are these the same Chinese that eat aborted fetii?
-SW
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Awful stuff...cruel and inhumane.
Speaking of which...we have a ciircus here now. First time I've ever seen one on the island. As a promotional stunt the gas station next to our building hired the circus to bring over their white tiger in a cage...it is an ESSO station. I think the uproar it caused will be enough for them to never do something stupid like that again. The cage was tiny and the tiger was pacing back and forth...looked like the poor thing was freaking out. It really pissed me off and I signed the protest sheet that someone had started.
It was a beautiful creature...frigging HUGE. Such a shame to see blantant abuse outside my office.
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Acidum ursodeoxycholicum - "bears bile"
Proven indications (western medicine):
- treatement of cholecystolithiasis (made of cholesterin)
- dyspeptic pain
- primary biliary cirrosis (stadium I-III)
- cholestasis with extreme pruritus
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In Switzerland chemically made of bovine cholic acid. Dunno excactly how but I think from dead (slaughterhouse) ones.
It's a medical drug with proven uses.
Of course what happens in china is not approvable but please let that racistic roadkill out. Hundreds of thousand animals suffer for all kind of human needs (kill them for food, sport, science/put them in zoos/destroy their habitats etc.) - not only in china!!
On the one hand condemning the suffering of animals (words were "inhumane") on the other hand applauding to the use of mass destruction weapons... tsk... very hipocryt.
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Originally posted by Kirin
Hundreds of thousand animals suffer for all kind of human needs (kill them for food, sport, science/put them in zoos/destroy their habitats etc.) - not only in china!!
They don't suffer if they are killed for food or sport- unless you are a horrible shot. They don't suffer in Zoos, but kept in captivity (and in many cases this better than staying in the wildlife where they will be hunted and become endangered).
But the worst torture/suffering of animals are for beauty product testing. Do we really need non-ruboff lipstick? Is that perfume/cologne/whatever really necessary? It smells fine, and it looks the same it has the past 40 years... there is no need to keep using animals to test for beauty products. People are so freaking vain.
On the one hand condemning the suffering of animals (words were "inhumane") on the other hand applauding to the use of mass destruction weapons... tsk... very hipocryt.
Who's applauding the use of WMDs?
-SW
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I used the word inhumane...but I cannot imagine I have ever condoned the use of WMD?
When?
Against whom?
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Anybody remember a movie called "Mondo Cane" from the early "60's - sort of a documentary?
They showed Asians sitting around a circular table with a hole in the center.
(The table opened up like a clam shell. They opened it, put a live monkey's neck into the hole and closed the table so that the monkey's head was sticking out of the center of the table.)
The Asians all had little wooden mallets like those table beaters they hand out in Canadian tt bars. They all then beat the monkey's head until the skull broke open. Then they used long spoons to scoop out the brains and eat them.
That is the worst animal abuse I've seen, but perhaps the abuse of those bears is worse...
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horrible...:(
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
They don't suffer if they are killed for food or sport- unless you are a horrible shot. They don't suffer in Zoos, but kept in captivity (and in many cases this better than staying in the wildlife where they will be hunted and become endangered)....
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i think Kirin is closer to the mark than you are
animals in zoos suffer just as people in prison do.
every zoo elephant i've ever seen (san diego included) show the same characteristics of monotany induced insanity. the worst insult you can give a gorilla is to stare@it
what good is keeping an animal around if it doesn't exist in the wild?
one sentence you say animals "don't suffer if they are killed for food or sport" the next you say they are better off in zoos because otherwise they could be?
1 face short of eve...
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Zoos are for people who are too lazy to take the time or the energy to track down animals in the wild. I don't think I've ever really enjoyed a trip to one.
You wanna enjoy wild animals? Get up off your butt, pull on some insulated clothes and a pair of hip boots, and walk a couple of miles deep into some hardwood bottoms before daylight. Then, while freezing that butt of yours off, watch the sun come up. Listen to the whisling wings of mallard, pintail, and gadwall ducks. Watch the world come to life. Leave the bottoms slowly, stopping frequently to scan for deer, squirrels, rabbits, woodcock, and quail.
No trip to the zoo can possibly compare.
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by whgates3
one sentence you say animals "don't suffer if they are killed for food or sport" the next you say they are better off in zoos because otherwise they could be?
1 face short of eve...
I said they don't suffer unless you are a poor shot... and what exactly does that have to do with zoos?
Many animals in Zoos are borderline extinction... some already were in the wild... breeding them in Zoos and returning them to the wild saved the species.
Zoos are for people who can't afford to fly to China or some other remote location in the world and go track down these animals.
-SW
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Here in Hawaii many people go pig hunting.. Some folks have to otherwise we'd be overrun by wild pigs. The last time I went, we had cornered a sow and I aimed at her lower neck..(Winchester 30.30) She looked up at me.. seeming to know what was going to happen next.. She had these eyebrows not really eyebrows but a fold of skin that kind of looks like eyebrows and had an expression like.. Do you really have to do this?.. It was sad and the look on her face has stayed with me. The Big Island has one less pig hunter.
I wish they wouldn't do this to my "Spirt Animal".. God I love Bears.
No one read "Toxic" by Robin Cook.. It will almost make you stop eating meat.
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Where's all the libs complaining about destructive superstitions?
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H. Godwineson: They also consume powdered rhino horn to help with their male sex drives.
Fortunately this business is fast disapearing after Viagra was created.
At least chinse buy those things for healthcare (and if you think healthy sex life is not important for marrieage, etc, you are mistaken). Western customers strive for new cosmetic products that are tested on animals despite existance of good products that do not require any more testing.
miko
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Originally posted by funkedup
Where's all the libs complaining about destructive superstitions?
umm.
Destructive superstitions are bad....
mmmmkay.
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Welcome to the wonderful world of human beings.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
umm.
Destructive superstitions are bad....
mmmmkay.
Well done! :)