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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LePaul on May 02, 2001, 11:46:00 AM
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And found this....
http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/concept/ (http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/concept/)
Looks slick, what can you tell me/us about it?? Dream works or something that might lead to a prototype?
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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This was discussed in the Officers Club:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum4/HTML/001779.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum4/HTML/001779.html)
Pretty much where this shoulda been posted too.
AKDejaVu
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That was released to the press 2 weeks ago. Boeing has been working closely with its customers and this is what *they* want...something that flies alittle higher, alittle faster, and can go 10,000 to 12,000 miles. Cost per seat is offset by the fact that it cuts 3 hours off PAC and ATL routes and 1 hour off domestic US routes, and the fact that the more fuel it burns, the higher it flies, the less fuel required to fly at the higher altitude.
Its real, its in the pre-design mode now, and the software I support is going to build it. Pretty exciting!
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Well, pardon me for the post location, forgot AKDejaVu is the BBS police here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Forgot what area I was in when I posted, a thousand pardons DejaVu...
Rip, read a bit about in rec-aviation.homebuilt, some of the guys starting talking about it among their discussion of canard aircraft. Specifically if there were more or less gains, aerodynamically, in a canard vs conventional aircraft design.
For example, Beech made the Starship and while a beautiful bird, last I knew 19 sat unsold on a tarmac somewhere.
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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Rip, promised you a "blow up picture" of my aircraft....
(http://www.checksix.net/bd5cross.jpg)
and
(http://www.checksix.net/bd5-cut.jpg)
Not NEARLY as nice as what your software can do!
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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Best watch it they might take your freedom of speech as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) BBS police are everywhere bud better watch it.
Bastards Bullying Simmers
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 05-02-2001).]
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Aw, no BD5-J? Curious, how much of a price and performance difference is there between the jet and prop model?
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That designs been around since the late 60's early 70's, but still a nice design. I prefer more convention Midi-lights, and plan on building my own once the kids get alittle older. Wife has it in the long term budget, and I'll be building a Pole barn soon for my project, but am waiting till I get alittle closer to retirement (about 13 years, 5 years if microsoft splits 4 more times! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
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Rip did you deal with 777 any? It seams to be a nice plane so far!
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Wasn't that an Estes model rocket in the '70's ?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Originally posted by INDN:
Rip did you deal with 777 any? It seams to be a nice plane so far!
Yes, I was a tool designer fresh outta CATIA classes when we geared up for her..I have in my office at home a 777 coin and stamp/postcard that flew on the first flight as being part of that program.(I think alot of employees got these)...love the 777.
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LOL Rip! Much more tollerant of the OT posts when it comes to your own back yard (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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BD5, this should be in OT forum
(Feel better Deja?) (Rolls eyes)
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roll your eyes all you want rip. Agree with the post or not, at least I'm not being hypocritical.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Sancho:
Aw, no BD5-J? Curious, how much of a price and performance difference is there between the jet and prop model?
Several. For the guts and techy stuff, goto www.bd-micro.com (http://www.bd-micro.com) and read about each.
In a nutshell (and largely to annoy AKDejaVu hehee)...
BD-5 B Reciprocating engine 2stroke Hirth most popular though some use Rotax's or even heavy, 4 -cyclinder Hondas. Most speeds in these setups are well below 200, though varies greatly on engine and cooling system.
BD-5 T What Im building, uses a rebuilt T-62 turbine (Quantum makes these). Best compromise...benefits of a prop and benefits of a turbine/jet...less fussy about heat and no need to invent a way to cool a mid-engine design. Scoops and inlets cause drag. Also, this system is much faster than the B since you have eliminated a cooling system (scoops, water/radiators, etc). Top speed in these are around 250 or more.
BD-5 J Jet. Suck, bang, blow baby. Requires the smaller wing (17ft versus the B and T's 21.5) and a much more rugged fueslage for the G loads. Last I heard, they put out 300 pounds of thrust and toss about at 350 mph. Big enemy...fuel consumption. You can carry 36 gallons and she'll eat that up in under an hour. Again, some newer engines coming to market to make these guys stay up longer. You'll see these guys flying for the Bud Lite Air Force (www.blaf.com) and a few other airshow performers.
Yes Id love to J, but for cross country flyng, Id be climbing, cruise and descending every 30 minutes. My bladder aint THAT small!
If you are really pondering building an airplane, there are many. The RV series are fantastic (www.vansaircraft.com) and I confess my favorite site to gaze at is www.viper-aircraft.com (http://www.viper-aircraft.com) where they have a 2 seat, fighter-looking jet kit available, made of carbon fiber and such composites.
Rip...if you are thinking of building, be sure to visit the Arlington Airshow up your way, or Oshkosh!
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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As BD mentioned, the RV series by Vans are a great homebuilt plane, with quick build option available. At the Oshkosh airshow, typically 25% of all homebuilts are RVs.
I have my eye on the RV8. Have done some preliminary research and thinking about making the plunge.
Dago
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Dago,
Am I seeing right...minus engine and instruments (kit alone), you can have a RV8A for a tad over $20K? Wow, Id be curious the full price tag
I have $4k in my BD5 now, and need to put about $21k (guessing...) to have it flying.
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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LePaul,
The RVx aircraft just HAVE to lead the bang-for-the-buck category for aluminum kits. My dad got about 30% through an RV-6A before his attention drifted elsewhere, but it would have been a very affordable project. Figure under $50,000 completed for a plane that would do 200mph on 180 hp, seat 2 comfortably, stressed for full acro. BIG FAT WING for good low speed handling too, none of those high speed lancair or glasair stall and landing speeds, and all the fuel capacity you feel like building into the wing.
I helped him bang out the tail and some of the wings (which he completed), but he never quite got to the fuselage kit. If he'd started way back then with the new fast-build kits, he would have easily finished the plane. As it was, he sold the completed parts and few remaining unbuilt kits at cost for the loss of his time and what he paid a helper for some work on the wings.
For the power mad, there's even an unofficial mod version of the RV called (I think) the harmon rocket that adds an additional 100 hp and some more structural strength to handle higher stresses.
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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If memory regarding price is right, the basic kit is about 15k. Finishing it will put you in the 40k - 85K range, all depending on how wild you want to get with options, avionics, engine and prop.
One thing I have noticed, used RVs normally sell for as much as they cost to make, sometimes more. Pretty rare for a homebuilt.
LePaul, I am kinda curious about something on the BD, have you check insurance prices for it? A homebuilt turbo-prop would be fun, but I wonder what the insurance would be. Probably more than I could afford. Cool plane though.
Dago
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Originally posted by eagl:
LePaul,
The RVx aircraft just HAVE to lead the bang-for-the-buck category for aluminum kits. My dad got about 30% through an RV-6A before his attention drifted elsewhere, but it would have been a very affordable project. Figure under $50,000 completed for a plane that would do 200mph on 180 hp, seat 2 comfortably, stressed for full acro. BIG FAT WING for good low speed handling too, none of those high speed lancair or glasair stall and landing speeds, and all the fuel capacity you feel like building into the wing.
I helped him bang out the tail and some of the wings (which he completed), but he never quite got to the fuselage kit. If he'd started way back then with the new fast-build kits, he would have easily finished the plane. As it was, he sold the completed parts and few remaining unbuilt kits at cost for the loss of his time and what he paid a helper for some work on the wings.
For the power mad, there's even an unofficial mod version of the RV called (I think) the harmon rocket that adds an additional 100 hp and some more structural strength to handle higher stresses.
Does he have it completed? Have you puckered up and smooched him to have it left to you in his will? hehe....you are right, the Rocket is the tweaked version of the RV. Still reading the website about them...geesh, and all I have here to satisfy my flying needs are C-152s and C-172s. You have *no* idea how embarassing it is to have people walk in while Im sitting in my BD-5, making airplane noises! hehe
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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Originally posted by Dago:
If memory regarding price is right, the basic kit is about 15k. Finishing it will put you in the 40k - 85K range, all depending on how wild you want to get with options, avionics, engine and prop.
One thing I have noticed, used RVs normally sell for as much as they cost to make, sometimes more. Pretty rare for a homebuilt.
LePaul, I am kinda curious about something on the BD, have you check insurance prices for it? A homebuilt turbo-prop would be fun, but I wonder what the insurance would be. Probably more than I could afford. Cool plane though.
Dago
Engine, avionics and all that other stuff does seem to take the longest. Mine is going to have LCDs and be as much a glass cockpit as it can be, with the emphasis on looking like a F-16...a nice, clean layout, and *safe*.
As for insurance, that's the million dollar question. I'm a low time pilot (just over 200 hours) and need to accumulate a lot of high performance time and training. Until that happens, the major insurers say "Nope, bye bye". So far, the only places I can find that will insure also insure odd tings like the Space Shuttle and other unique things. I had a lead on a firm in Ireland a few weeks ago, still investigating that.
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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Ok Reality check!
You want a REAL useful Boeing site? I give everyone one of my students this (http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/crshchrt.htm)web site.
Thank you Boeing!! Your one of the FEW aviation related companies that takes the time to inform fire fighters. <S>