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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Octavius on December 18, 2002, 09:43:17 AM
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Saw the 11:59 PM showing and MAN was it worth staying up til 4 :D
excellent movie. No lulls at all throughout, i was wide awake and in awe. Everyone in the theatre enjoyed it... I dont know how you couldnt!
[semi-spoiler]
The Ents (sp?) special effects were incredible. period.
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#@~$$%$^&^%&&(*&%$@$%$
and more
#$!@#%#$%^&*^&*
shud up don't spoil it for me:D
soon baby soon
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Originally posted by Octavius
The Ents (sp?) special effects were incredible. period.
Agreed, pretty good flick. I got to go to the 9pm employees and guests showing ... then they showed Star Trek so I stayed for that.
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Bought my tickets two weeks ago for the 6:30PM show this evening...Damn! Is are those clock hands actually moving BACKWARDS!
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Auta i lome. Utulie'n aure!!!!
The day has come!
I'm going to see it in 5 hours and, yes, I've been a proud elvish speaking geek for 20 years!
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hehe, how can anyone so hyped up to see LOTR not already know what's going to happen? ;) You've read the book haven't ya??? :p
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Originally posted by Nifty
hehe, how can anyone so hyped up to see LOTR not already know what's going to happen? ;) You've read the book haven't ya??? :p
Yep! But only about 12 times.
:p
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hehe, believe me, I'd be going to see it today as well, but there's this thing I'm doing today... something about closing on a house? and I've heard there's extensive moving involved after that. ;)
I've got a week off after Christmas, I'll have plenty of time to go see it (instead of unpacking!) while everyone else returns gifts! :D
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MT,
You've only read it 12 times!? You Slacker!
Shuckins
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Nifty's birthday is coming up within a couple days too. Our young boy is growing up. Maybe one day he'll stop shooting us Mongrels down in the TODs.
Nifty, congratulations on the home and a very happy birthday to you, sir.
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
MT,
You've only read it 12 times!? You Slacker!
Shuckins
Yeah!!
:)
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Hardest decision I've ever made...
I'm waiting until next week when I fly home to Dallas. These theaters in New England suck... I mean SUCK. The best here pales in comparison to the smallest of the Dallas area and I don't want the crappy quality theaters to ruin my experience...
...okay, I've almost got myself convinced
**TWITCH!!**
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Preon, I was born and raised in NH. I know what you mean in regards to the theatres there. We were all in awe when they put up an 8 screen cinema in Manchester. Then they put up a bigger one on the Manchester/Hooksett line and it had SDDS and Dolby Digital. Then I moved to Virginia (just outside of DC) and experienced one of the AMC megaplexes...now THAT's what a movie theater is supposed to be like...
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You ain't seen a movie, until you go to the Uptown in Wash, DC...
I saw a prescreening of Jurrassic park there (first Jurassic Park movie, LONG LONG time ago)...
I went to other showings of Jurassic Park at other movie theaters, it just ain't the same. I also saw Independence Day there... made the movie much better. You can read about it
here (http://eg.washingtonpost.com/profile/796141/?&flavor_id=1&context=movies)
Read the Editorial Profile.
-SW
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read the book about 10 times....
visited the WEB sites a thousand times......for research:)
and cause I'm a dweeb
got on my puter 2 huge 700meg files(and yes its LOTR)...watched it 10 times...instead of studyin....
I gotta study...not watch a movie....I gotta study...not watch a movie...gotta study:D
even though I know the book from start to finish.....and yes I still get butterflies in my stomach just knowing I'm gonna see it in 2 days:eek: .......readin it and seein it....much different
Hmm....Hmm you sure are a hasty folk!!!! :p
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Next time any of you freaks call me a Star Wars geek, Im bring up this thread... Elvish speaking indeed. ;)
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Just got back from the theater.
My boss paid for us to go ... durring work hours !!
excellent flick
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Saur, ain't nothing wrong with being a SW geek or a LOTR geek! ;)
I've only acheived overzealous fan status in both though. I haven't progressed to geek.
ok, so I know a -little- of the tongue of Mordor, but that's just because I was an Orc in Ultima Online... damn, that's geeky too! oh well!
see ya in SWG beta! ;)
Thanks Puke! and no, getting older just means I'll get even better at shooting Mongrels down! :D
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Originally posted by jonnyb
---snip--- Then I moved to Virginia (just outside of DC) and experienced one of the AMC megaplexes...now THAT's what a movie theater is supposed to be like...
ROFL... must be too young to remember the "real" movie houses. Huge art-deco places with balconies and giant screens and DOUBLE FEATURES.
(I'm dating myself... gotta go )
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Last month's (maybe 2 months ago) popular science ran an article on the animation for that movie. It was a very interesting article.
All 10,000 soldiers were individually modeled, with action / response programmed into each of them. Er... that is to say... each character individually responds to the immediate situation across the whole battle.
Some really cool stuff.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Krusher
Just got back from the theater.
My boss paid for us to go ... durring work hours !!
excellent flick
You a Ho now????
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Guys, I have been looking for a quote in english/elvish, and maybe you can help me (seeing that there are some uber nerds in here).
The quote is something along the lines of
"The world is changing, I can see it in the sky, I can feel it in the earth, I can smell it in the air."
I love that one, but I dont remember where I read it, and now I cant find it.
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Wasnt that a quote from Chief Seatle?
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Originally posted by Pongo
Wasnt that a quote from Chief Seatle?
Dont think so...unless he spoke elvish too.
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Hard to outdo the first one, but they sure did. What a FABULOUS movie!!!!!
Nim
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I just got back from seeing the 7:30-10:30 showing here....and I'm left speechless. All I can say is it has been the best damn movie I have seen since LotR:FotR last year. I'm going to see it again tommorrow.
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Spotted the hobbits (forget their real names) round the corner from work yesterday... think they were hitting MacD's or something before the premier.
The guy I work with was a big-bastard-double. You see his hand/arse/back of head a lot. He's 7ft-something tall.
You guys like the NZ scenery? That human-town - the one on the hill - one of my favourite places down in Central Otago. We used to go trout fishing down round that area a lot.
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Here you go Steve:
I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, han mathon ne chae a han noston ne gwilith.
I amar n. 'the world'.
prestar aen v. pass. 'is changed'; cf. presta- 'affect, trouble'
han pron. 'it'.
mathon v. pres. 'I feel'; cf. matha- 'feel, stroke, handle' (LR 371).
ne, ned prep. 'in, of'.
nen n. 'water'.
cae, mut. chae n. 'earth'.
a conj. 'and'.
noston v. 'I smell'; *nosta- 'smell'; cf. stem NUS-; Q nusta- 'smell'.
gwilith n. 'air as a region'.
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Peter Jackson is a pig bastard. Blatantly rewriting a story that's as close to perfect as possible and so dear to the hearts of many is just plain wrong.
Still, it was a great movie and worth seeing again, but it showed that Jackson has no plans for remaining true to Tolkien. I fear what he'll do to Return of the King. Maybe Aragorn will die and Arwen brings him back to life with a tear and kiss? pfffft
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*Geek Alert!* Shyaddup Engine, and get back into the latrines where you belong! Fatty's toilet isn't gonna clean itself. And how dare you belittle the genius who brought us Bad Taste (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005OCK5/qid=1040286729/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-8692871-7788002?v=glance&s=dvd)!
SOB
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I'm not a geek, I just respect Tolkien. Go polish your pickup and kill another deer. :)
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A book is a book, and a movie is a movie, and the things that make one or the other work cannot be the same. How can you expect to see the Ents debate for 4 days, or the endless detailed disputes among the orcs on their way to Isengard?
The only thing that got a bit uneasy was Faramir, the character is sacrified in order to show again the power of the Ring, and maybe that was unnecesary at this point already.
But, being a Tolkien nut since I was 8 I have to agree with the best writeup I have seen on the film:
My moooviiie, my preciousss.
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Originally posted by Engine
I'm not a geek, I just respect Tolkien. Go polish your pickup and kill another deer. :)
ROFL
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I may be at an advantage when seeing the movies over those who've read the books a lot. I read the LOTR in 1982 and only read it once. I have a general memory of the story (already know the ending), but not the particulars. So when I see the movie, I'm not constantly reminded of differences and instead, I'm lost in this really neat world.
I saw it tonight and enjoyed it. I promised my son I'd take him alone (and not with his sister like I've done w/ her on other movies 'cause she's older) and we are going to see it Thursday evening as I already have tickets. I do think he's a little young for it (he's 6), but he always stops to watch the 1st one when I play the DVD.
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Hey, just what can this ring do? I keep hearing about these characters saying they can use it to save their people but so far all I know of it is that it turns Bilbo/Frodo invisible and makes you crave the thing. What's the big deal with the ring? What can Sauron do with it once he has it? Turn invisible? Make fondoo?
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Rule all the other Rings. Become ruler of middle earth.
I liked the movie, but what the hell were they thinking when they designed Helm's Deep ? No Boulders to throw from the walls, no boiling oil, no ballistas ? No Burning the enemies' Ladders ? No moat ? WTF ? And this is their untakeable fortress ?
Other than that, a fun way to spend 3 hours.
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Nifty!
Har!! Lat bih uh Shaddurklan uruk!?!?! Har har dat bih bubhosh. Mih bih uh Kobo frum da Mordurud Uzg, lat gruk? Buurzum Eiy ob Kamelot.
Klomp ebri skahin pugdush shara-glob! Uruk uzg duminashun!!!
Heheh i was a Shadowclan Kobold in DAoC, they are "cousins" of the UO Shadowclan orcs, so the language is almost the same. The most exhilarating online experience I have had so far. They saved that otherwise dull game for me.
[Edited for proper orc syntax]:D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You a Ho now????
hey its xmas.. I am a underpaid ho ho ho :)
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Wow, I can't believe I registered to respond to this thread (uhh...no, not a Tolkien Geek, not at all).
I just reread the book in preparation for the next movie and noticed something...
The quote Hortlund was asking about:
"The world is changing, I can see it in the sky, I can feel it in the earth, I can smell it in the air."
Is never said by Galadriel. It's never said in those exact words either. It's actually spoken by the Ent, Treebeard in Chapter IV, 'Many Partings' (approximately 7 pages in). He says: "It is sad that we should meet only thus at the ending. For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air. I do not think we shall meet again."
And just to repeat myself, no i'm not a Tolkien geek :) And you lucky people living in the states...I don't think we'll get the movie here for another month, if we're lucky. Sometimes the military movie base has them sooner (crossing fingers) :)
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I liked the movie, but I have to say that re-reading the books last year was a mistake. Like Puke mentions, I wind up spending most of the first viewing wondering about the differences, or trying to remember where we are with regard to the book. I find it very distracting.
Anyhow it was pretty cool. I liked the Ents, but when the movie was over, Denise (my wife) said "It was a good movie, but I could have done without the talking tree" lol oh well.
During the showing that we saw, the theater was full of kids. It turns out they were all from a local private school; "Rivendell School" which according to the woman sitting next to us, was so named because the founders were fans of the books. These kids turned out to be a great audience though, because unlike ANY other audience in the DC area, they didn't chatter throught the whole movie. In fact, they were so totally into it that they would burst into applause on occasion (In fact, Legolas seemed to have his own cheering section. I think Orlando Bloom might be "Dreamy" by Jr. High School Girl's standards). In fact, I would go so far as to say that the audience actually added value to my viewing, as opposed to detracting from it.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Guys, I have been looking for a quote in english/elvish, and maybe you can help me (seeing that there are some uber nerds in here).
The quote is something along the lines of
"The world is changing, I can see it in the sky, I can feel it in the earth, I can smell it in the air."
I love that one, but I dont remember where I read it, and now I cant find it.
just 4 u.....:D
I AMAR PRESTAR AEN..................The world is changed
HAN MATHON NE NEN..................I feel it in the waters
HAN MATHON NE CHAE................I feel it in the earth
A HAN NOSTON NED GWILITH.....I smell it in the air
Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it....
so I'm a geek:eek:
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Rule all the other Rings. Become ruler of middle earth.
Neat trick, but how? So you rule a few men, elves and dwarves who were given the other rings. Just what was Boramir gonna do with the ring to save his people? Turn invisible? This is one aspect I've never gotten, I need to understand just what the ring will do. It sure didn't protect Sauron from getting his wittle finger cut off.
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Sauron is supposed to have put much of himself in the Ring, so he is weaker without it, and will perish if the Ring is destroyed. Anyone who uses it regularly can be a demigod as powerful as him, but also as evil in the end.
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anyone else just blown away by the golem? man have special effects come along way. It was just stunning to watch.
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yup they did an excellent job with Gollum(Smeagol).....
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Loved it! Way better than the first as far as I'm concerned.
Most of camera shots could be used as a poster I think. I'm amazed by the attention to details, even in the background.
The soundtrack is awsome, sticks great to the events or feelings. I appreciated the extra time spent on the understanding of each characters state of mind and motivation.
The battle sequences are :eeck:
Fan or not, it's a must see on a movie screen.
Only regrets :
- I still don't really understand the true power of the ring. (makes u evil and so what?)
- the bad guy who died on part1, his body is dead but not his mind? The ring can bring him back to life?
- I wished I could have seen the king's daughter go Yodalistic.
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SFRT-FRENCHY,
The ring gives the wearer the power to see into the minds of the wearers of the other rings of power and to control them. Sauron, who created the master ring, had a hand in the making of the other rings of power, which were held by elves, men, and dwarves. When his designs became apparent, the elves hid their rings, but the men who held the others were ensnared, and became Sauron's greatest servants. It helps to read The Silmarillion which explains the origins of Sauron and Gandalf. They are not really wizards, but angelic beings created by the One (Illuvatar), at the beginning of time. It is they who helped shape the world. They are bound to the world and the beings of their order helped fashion all life on it, except for elves and men, who are the Children of Illuvatar. They were forbidden to interfere with the wills of men and elves, but one of the highest of these beings, Morgoth, rebelled and sought to dominate the world. He seduced many of the lesser orders to his service. One of the mightest of his servants was Sauron. It was Morgoth who created the orcs (goblins). He trapped some of the first elves to appear in the world and, in violation of the will of Illuvatar, changed them into the race of orcs.
After Morgoth was defeated and cast from the world, Sauron went into hiding, reappearing in a later age feigning friendship to the elves. It was then that he helped the elves in the forging of the rings of power, whose purpose was to heal and bring peace and happiness. Sauron betrayed the elves when he forged the One Ring.
Anyone with a great power of will can use the ring to dominate the will of others. Those, like Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel, who have great power of their own can enhance that power with the ring. But ultimately, Sauron's malice, inherent in the ring, will overthrow them, and they will emerge as a new Dark Lord.
Clear enough?
Shuckins
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Only regrets :
- I still don't really understand the true power of the ring. (makes u evil and so what?)
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Its Evil....listen carefully too Gandalf or Galadriel when they refuse too take the ring.....If galadriel had it...she would literally destroy the Earths foundation(keep in mind...tolkeins world is 1 of magic and fantasy)....the ring woulda changed her(to the DARK side) and ENHANCED galandriels powers(she's an ELF-WITCH....she already has some powers...like gandalf).....If say a Boromir takes the ring....he can command the NAZGUL to do his biding.
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- the bad guy who died on part1, his body is dead but not his mind? The ring can bring him back to life?
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again fantasy.....Sauron put all of his life force into the ring....kill his body...but ya can't kill his soul(life force)
Gandalf who comes from the same descendents as Sauron.....Ya can't kill Gandalf so easily...same as Sauron....BTW he didn't die......his physical self was seperated from the ring....but the ring still has his life force...thats why he wants it back...so he can come back PHYSICALLY...in the movie...he's only a Burning EYE
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- I wished I could have seen the king's daughter go Yodalistic.
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if the movie holds true to the book.....you will see her go yodalistic
:D
If ya want I can point you to an excellent web site....has alot of very good info...
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The 9 actors that played the orginal fellowship have all gotten the elvish sybol for the number 9 tattoed on them, out geek that. :D
The killed Faramir? :(
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Originally posted by Thrawn
The killed Faramir? :(
NO.....
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Originally posted by Thrawn
The killed Faramir? :(
WHAT??????
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Awsome! Thank you indeed!
How do Orcs are created ... they seem that they come from earth out of a shell. I thought they were dead soldiers ressucitated.
As far as the general story, but it has nothing to do with lords of the rings in particular. What is the point of an evil army? I mean, Mordoth and it's orcs kill all humans, and rule middle earth ... heuu ... rule what? ruins? What do the orcs do once they kill everyone ... all they can do is march in order and slash stuff.
Mordoth as kill everyone, owns the place and has orcs walking around in boredom.
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ok ok frenchy.....very hard to understand you...but since i'm french like you..maybe i can help:p
think religion for 1 sec....
God= aluvatar
Morgoth=Lucifer
Sauron=hhmm kinda like the devil on earth
Sauron is a disciple of Morgoth.
Sauron really really doesn't like Elves....or humans.....he wants to exterminate them.....since he can't rule them.
he wants a world where HE can rule....thats why he makes war.....just like Hitler(visions of grandeur).
since I can't rule you...I'll kill you instead
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Ok I got this part, but like you say : I can't rule you, I kill you.
So he kills everyone, what is left to rule? Orcs?
Orcs are meaning less they cannot do anything except fight. Humans, Elves are interesting because they have their own personality, they can create, they can invent, they choose their lifestyle.
Is it like :
"I cannot go out with all those top models, so I kill them all. It's leaving me with all those fat uggly chicks who watch TV all day. I don't even want to touch them anyway"
What's the point?
This appart, I checked some web site and I'm amazed by the LOTR word and thinking process ... I'm getting geeky nerdy ... oh no! I will stop reading because those web site give all the answers I need but also what will come next in the final chapter.
Was UO an "remake/copy" of LOTR online? With those movies, I'm surprised that such an online game is not in the store yet.
Thank you again for your time trying to explain me, appreciated.
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He doesn't want to kill them all, he wants dominion. Anyone who fights back dies, leaving him to rule the rest. Make sense?
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Evil in middle earth is not the greedy, lusty, jeolous type...its raw evil..the control, torture, destroy type..just for the sake of it. The ultimate aim of Sauron or Morgoth would be destruction of everything..They are the enemies of existance. So any action against thier minions is really in defence of existance. There is no moral ambiguity in fighting orcs..they will either kill or enslave(to kill later) you or you will kill them.
Tolkein is pretty black and white..
The moral dilema faced by the characters is not one of doing the right thing. Its of doing anything. The enemys primary power is of despair. Finding the will to oppose him at all takes increadable courage. Rousing the free people to oppose him takes a demi god and one of the greatest heros of men..that is what the books are about.
The books also focus heavily on faith. Tolkien was a devout Catholic. His charactors know that thier gods are real. Many of the charactors in the books have met them or are in fact thier direct emisaries. That faith has very real power and is centeral to the structure of the books.
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:)
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I thought it was a great movie, cant wait for the next one :)
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Just got back from it..INCREDIBLE!!!!
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"The Fellowship of the Ring" was pure cinematic magic. The casting was flawless and director Peter Jackson followed Tolkien's story line as closely as possible. After watching it last December, I could scarcely contain my anticipation for the release of "The Two Towers."
I watched "The Two Towers" last night. I can contain my anticipation for the release of "The Return of the King."
Perhaps I'm a purist, but I don't think it was nearly as good as the first movie. Jackson couldn't resist the temptation to dither with the story line. I expected some contraction of the story because of time concerns. Even at that, it was too long. Jackson added some things that were superfluous. Tolkien's text is strong enough to stand on its' own. The major criticisms are these:
1. The length. Three hours was enough to tell the story. There were some scenes grafted onto the story that added little or nothing to it. What purpose was served, for instance, by showing Aragorn disappear over a cliff and having to find his way alone to Helm's Deep.
2. Gollum. Computer graphics were great. But I didn't really like the character being played for laughs.
3. Line switching. Gandalf's lines to Wormtongue being switched to Eomer.
4. Eomer. He should have been at Helm's Deep. The finale of the battle should have been filmed the way Tolkien wrote it. The Ent's and Huorns and Erkenbrand's men should have arrived to save the day.
5. The arrival of Haldir and his Elves at Helm's Deep. This would mean that Lothlorien was at peace and free from attack, which was far from the case in the book.
6. Faramir kidnapping the Ring-Bearer and attempting to take him to Minas Tirith. Again, what purpose was served by this. It just added length to the movie without enriching the plot.
7. Frodo facing the Ring-Wraith, in the open, with the ring in his hand. The Wraith hesitating about taking it, long enough for Faramir to wound his steed with an arrow. Another silly scene.
8. Gimli. Comedy can break up an otherwise ponderous script. He was definitely a popular character with the audience I viewed the movie with. Personally, I think it overshadowed his heroism.
High point of the movie: The opening scene, in which Gandalf continued his battle with the Balrog. That alone was worth the price of the movie.
Just my personal viewpoints.
Regards, Shuckins
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exactly how I feel shuckins...took the words right outta my mouth.
but maybe we are just to much of the book dweebs.
but they did say that 2 towers was gonna be the 1 movie that strays the most from the book......
hopefully they stay true in the Return of the King.....
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Book dweebs!
:p
Memorizing the books has probably done-in the movies for you. I'll go back and read the books a while after seeing the third and final installment of the movies. It's been since 1982 and I remember very little. But as it is now, these movies are great entertainment.
I'm still trying to figure out the power of the ring. Yeah, so it'll control the other rings given to those in power of their race. I take that to mean Sauron would then be able to control those races through the ring. However, it sure wasn't able to prevent a huge army of folks going to war with him (as shown in the prelude of the 1st movie) and it sure couldn't protect his finger from a silly mortal blade. Now, if lazer beams could shoot from your eyes and you can will people dead, now that'd be a ring that would be feared...but instead, he went around smashing people with a hammer and had a huge army fight for him. However, this doesn't ruin the movie for me. I enjoy seeing the adventures the characters go on.
So can someone tell me Smeagol's background? Who/What is/was he?
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Originally posted by Puke
I'm still trying to figure out the power of the ring.
Lets geek this to a whole new level. :)
"The One Ring: aka "the Ruling Ring", the "One" ; the "Ring":
A seemingly normal gold band, the One Ring will adjust to fit the wearer's ring size or, if it desires so, it will expand to fall from the wearer's finger whenever the rings feels the wearer is unsuitbable (see below). The One's hidden inscription glows when the Ring is placed in a fire. In Black Speech it reads:
"Ash nazg durbabatuluk, ash nazg gimbul, Ash nazg thrakatuluk agh burzum ishi krimpatul."
The translation reads:
"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to brng them all and in darkness bind them."
The One is a artifact of unparalled proportions, it is a sentinent artifact that has one purpose to return to its master Sauron. However, powerful wearers (15th level plus) can try and master some of its abilities. Its primary purpose is to increase the sorcerous powers of its master, it take 60 days to master this first power. This is its primary power as far as anyone other than Sauron is concerned. This power either increases a Wizard or Sorcerer by 10 levels in ALL respects, if the wear is not a spellcaster he will become a Sorcerer of the 9th level in all respects (use the multiclass rules as if they had multiclasses). The other powers of the ring come with time and mastery of the One: The first secondary power is that the Ring Wearer is Invisible this is always in effect, however one who has mastered the primary power can will themselves visible with the ring still on. The other powers are:
Control or Resist anything created with the aide of the ring.
The Ring controls the wearers of all the Nine Rings without regard to distance. (Only Sauron currently has the mastery level to do this. It is the last power granted).
All spell are x3 normal range or any target the wear can see (scrying counts).
Ring-wearer's physical, mental and magical attacks never fail.
The One purpose is again to get into Saurons hands, treat it as a Int 18 Wis 18 Ego 20 to figure this against your player. The rings other purpose is to corrupt along the way back to its master. Every power learned shifts the wearer's alignment on shift towards Lawful Evil. Should any character be allowed to master all of the rings powers, with the exception of the Ringwraith control which is Saurons sphere. They will become Lawful Evil and very subseptible to the voice of Sauron through the ring. In the end after 10 years of the rings use a will save must be made every month there after or the wearer becomes a Gollum-like creature. Once the save is failed all the rings powers fade within a day and unless they are cured by a 20 level Priest of good alignment (the following spells are needed: Neutralize Posion, Cure Disease, Prayer, Heal, and finally Restoration). This will reverse the Gollum Curse but the character will lose 50,000 XP in the process. They also can "feel" when anything dealing with the One (Nazgul, Priest of the Darklord, etc...) are within 100' of them. Many of these survivors go on to become Paladins, or some other prestige class dealing with undead hunting or monster hunting."
Other rings can be found here.
http://www.planetadnd.com/references/lotr/the_rings_of_power.php
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
a bunch of good stuff
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Yeah, I think you do have a good point. A lot of what you just posted was what distracted me from fully enjoying the movie. These were parts where I thought "wait, is that right?" Like the Ents comeing into the Battle at Helms Deep.
Also, in the Book I liked Farimir, in the movie I thought he might as well have been Borimir. Thanks for posting that.
-Sik
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OK, haven't seen it yet, but the whole point of Faramir's character in the book seems to be a confirmation of the nobel spirit of the Stewards of Gondor. Why the hell would they mess with that?
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I havent seen it either yet, but that is disturbing. I mean Faramir was very noble and honourable, he would never do such a thing.
I mean how are they going to tie up these new ends in the third movie?
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OTOH
I enjoyed FOTR much more the second time I saw it. The 1st time I was constantly comparing it to the book.
One more thing... Aragorn isn't big enough. He's supposed to be imposing!!
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Originally posted by takeda
Nifty!
Har!! Lat bih uh Shaddurklan uruk!?!?! Har har dat bih bubhosh. Mih bih uh Kobo frum da Mordurud Uzg, lat gruk? Buurzum Eiy ob Kamelot.
Klomp ebri skahin pugdush shara-glob! Uruk uzg duminashun!!!
Heheh i was a Shadowclan Kobold in DAoC, they are "cousins" of the UO Shadowclan orcs, so the language is almost the same. The most exhilarating online experience I have had so far. They saved that otherwise dull game for me.
[Edited for proper orc syntax]:D
har har! ;) Yeah, I heard SC was going to get in on DAoC, but I didn't enjoy that game enough to seek them out and make a kobold. SC also has a group on EQ if I'm not mistaken.
Agh... Yub, meeb ash uruk, agh ash bubhosh ash! Meeb wuz Warbozz fur ash cykul. Meeb gruk Kobo, dem lyk howlur Goboz! Meeb nub gruk dat uzg. (is there a server called Mordred? That'd make sense as that's Arthur's incestuous son! hehe, dark age of camelot!) Dem shara-globs git clomped eberi ash muun! har!
oops, time to go! hehe, been about 18 months since I've done orc speech!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
One more thing... Aragorn isn't big enough. He's supposed to be imposing!!
If anyone wasn't big enough, I thought it was Boromir. He's supposed to be like 12 feet tall, 3000 pounds and bullet proof.
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Originally posted by Puke
So can someone tell me Smeagol's background? Who/What is/was he?
I belive that Smeagol was the little man in the 1st part of the movie, where Frodo would go visit him, in his little shack.
Gondolf made a trip to Smeagels house where Gondolf found about the ring, Smeagol wasnt willing to give it, but he knew he had too. Then Smeagol went somewhere after giving the ring up, but im not sure.
So thats my best guess who Smeagol was.
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I think Thrawn and Wldthing are using the same bait.
Smeagol (Gollum) is or was very "hobbit like" at the time he found the ring. (I think this is in the appendix of the books. The ring changed him over the ensuing 500 years.
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heh, the fools!
You cant troll like that in this thread. The only people bothering to read this thread are Tolkien-grogs, and we know too much about the legend to fall for a cheap troll like that.
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That wasn't even a mountain troll. More like a hill or cave troll if you ask me.
Charon
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I'm not trolling. I thought someone had said earlier in this thread that they killed Faramir in the Two Towers. And I explaind in the LOTR racism thread how Aragorn was part elf. :confused:
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Originally posted by Thrawn
...Boromir. He's supposed to be like 12 feet tall, 3000 pounds and bullet proof.
Here is your troll, Sir.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Here is your troll, Sir.
"The wind whistled and the snow became a blinding blizzard.
Soon even Boromir found it hard to keep going. "
"Aragorn was the tallest of the Company, but Boromir, little less in height, was broader and heavier in build. He lead the way, and Aragorn followed him. Slowly they moved off, and were soon toiling heavily. In places the snow was breast-high, and often Boromir seemed to be swimming or burrowing with his great arms rather than walking. "
""Have hope! I am weary, but I still have some strength left, and Aragorn too. We will bear the little folk. The others no doubt will make shift to tread the path behind us. Come, Master Peregrin! I will begin with you. Cling to my back! I shall need my arms," he said and strode forward. Pippin marvelled at his strength, seeing the passage that he had already forced with no other tool than his great limbs. Even now burdened as he was, he was widening the track for those who followed, thrusting the snow aside as he went. After a while Boromir returned carrying Sam as well. "
That's right... :D
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"Aragorn was the tallest of the Company,
SEE!
That Vigo wimp is too small!!!
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Smeagol is actually Golumn. It sounds like he's from some "river folk" not much unlike Hobbits. This is interesting to me and so I am more curious about his background. I guess he was "normal" at one time and was somewhat similar to a Hobbit. The first movie shows a "regular" hand picking the ring up from out of a river bed too, but later shows a glimpse of Golumn pretty much as we know him to look. I was curious if there are any more tidbits about his past.
I think the movie did a great job to get you to be a little sympathetic to Golumn (Smeagol.) I think he's one of the most easily remembered character from the tales.
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I belive that Smeagol was the little man in the 1st part of the movie, where Frodo would go visit him, in his little shack.
Gondolf made a trip to Smeagels house where Gondolf found about the ring, Smeagol wasnt willing to give it, but he knew he had too. Then Smeagol went somewhere after giving the ring up, but im not sure.
So thats my best guess who Smeagol was.
-WldThing
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Having not read the book, the changes to Faramir didn't bother me :)
The impression I got from that character in the film is he seemed to be a combination of war-weary soldier and leftover sibling rivalry. He wanted to help his people AND prove his own worth, and didn't much care who he stepped on in the process.
I also didn't take the "they killed Faramir thing" the same as some have. I took it as his man trying to convince him to NOT let the Halflings go (don't let them go, you know the laws they'll put you to death blah blah), while Faramir IMO sarcastically says "then my life is forefit" while knowing that he is perfectly safe from such punishment.
J_A_B
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"All Numenorians are half breeds.
Aragorn gets his elvish blood from Beren and Luthian (elf).
To paraphrase the Silmarillion. Beren and Luthian had two sons. They were given the choice between a mortal life or a immortal (elven) life. One son name was Elrond chose an immortal (elven) life. Elrond's brother chose the mortal life and started the race of Numenor.
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You should read it again...lol
Elrond is not the son of Beren, But his grand son. His mother was an elf and His father was the son of Beren and Luthian. Luthian was half Elf half demi god.
So calling elrond half elven is not really correct. But close enough.
Calling Aragon half elven is silly. Even part elven. The first king of Numinor(elros ?) was part elven like Elrond his brother..But were all Numenorians decended of him..like Adam..No. He was just thier king. A king of many thousands of original inhabitants. If any of them were part elven..we are not told so by Tolkien.
Aragorn. Being a decendent of the kings of Numinor..may have a little elf blood in him from 3000 years and 100s of generations before But to attribute this to all the Dunadain shows you never read the Silmirillion very well.
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Hello, I am a friend of Thrawn's...
Thrawn has been getting a fair amount of his LOTR trivia from me, while I was at work, so I apologize for any inaccuracies of specific details. I do believe that while it was more than 3000 years since the creation of Numenor (and fall, and the move of Isildur and his father back to the old world) to present "Fellowship of the Ring" days, I do know that the line of Numenorian kings were VERY long lived. They kept the blood line pure...
The first king reigned for about 800 years?? Even Aragorn, who was pretty far down the line, reigned for three hundred years after the "Return of the King". This demonstrates that although there has been many, many years since the start of the half breed line, since they were so long lived, there aren't as many generations between them as you may think.
To me, that would demonstrate more than a tiny smattering of elvish blood...
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Ok, ok, ok... since some of you crazy people actually SPEAK Elvish... perhaps there are a few things you can help me to understand (reading the books now - going to see movie tonight (I think)). I apologize for any misspellings.
1.) Those "things" in FoTR that came out of the ground from those "sacks" at Sarumon's place - they are what - half orc and something else? Why are they able to walk around in the daytime? I thought those orcish chaps could only be out at night?
2.) The Elves are leaving... and going where?
3.) Just from reading the thread - Gandalf and Sarumon are "Jesus" type chaps? Sent down from "above?"
4.) The different races of ugly animals (orcs). (See question 1). If I remember correctly, the books state something regarding different races of orcs - or clans - or something like that - is there any background to this?
5.) Vader would kick the toejam out of Sauron. "I find you lack of faith disturbing..." :D
Danka
Edit: Oh, and whoever offered to post that link with "useful information" please do so.
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Well friend of Thawns..
Tolkien makes this way more clear then you apperently see.
The men of Numenor were "granted" long life by the "gods". Its not a genetic thing they got from the one of them that happened to be a part elf. The direct decendents of Elros are not longer lived then the other Numenoreons. Its not an elf thing. Simularly Aragorn is "granted" a life span much greater, more akin to the life span of the original numenoreans...probably by the same source that 'granted' it to them.
I will let you figure out what happens to 1/2 elf when you divide it in half another 24 times by the time of the fall of numenor and probably 60 times again before the 4th age.
1 in billions..?
Here is thrawns statement
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Originally posted by Pongo
The High men are sullied and weakend by breeding with the lesser men, Thats one of Aragorns big claim to fames..he is one of the only Racialy pure dunadain..
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You mean Aragorn the Half-Breed?
Dude, he's part elf."
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Tolkein makes a very distinctive and deliberate point that Aragorn is special because in his veins the pure blood of numenor runs. Where others have bred with the locals...his ancestors did not.
Breeding with the lesser men weakens the race...
Sounds like something that Adolf was saying at about the time that LOTR was written.
That was my point..and it is beyond Thrawn. Because he thinks Aragorn is a half breed.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Ok, ok, ok... since some of you crazy people actually SPEAK Elvish... perhaps there are a few things you can help me to understand (reading the books now - going to see movie tonight (I think)). I apologize for any misspellings.
1.) Those "things" in FoTR that came out of the ground from those "sacks" at Sarumon's place - they are what - half orc and something else? Why are they able to walk around in the daytime? I thought those orcish chaps could only be out at night?
Half Orcs that Saruman was breeding.
2.) The Elves are leaving... and going where?
To Amen in the far distant west. Long story where the valar live.
3.) Just from reading the thread - Gandalf and Sarumon are "Jesus" type chaps? Sent down from "above?"
No. They are emisaries of the Valar. The 'gods' of middle earth.
They are maya(sp?) an imortal life form less then the vanya. and greater then the eldar(Elves) the Balrog, Tom bombadil and Sauron are of the same 'race'
4.) The different races of ugly animals (orcs). (See question 1). If I remember correctly, the books state something regarding different races of orcs - or clans - or something like that - is there any background to this?
Generally Orcs were made by Morgoth, improved by Sauron in the Uruk and then again by Sauruman in the Uruk-Hai. Which have been cross bred with men I believe. But there are many tribes of orcs and Uruks usually lead them.
5.) Vader would kick the toejam out of Sauron. "I find you lack of faith disturbing..." :D
Danka
Edit: Oh, and whoever offered to post that link with "useful information" please do so.
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Ya know, I was going to thank for your information and that I would pass it on. Then I got to this...
Originally posted by Pongo
That was my point..and it is beyond Thrawn. Because he thinks Aragorn is a half breed.
...so instead I simply say, diddly you. You must be pretty damn inadequet to always have to belittle people.
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"And I explaind in the LOTR racism thread how Aragorn was part elf. "
You seemed so clued out in the other thread I was just going to drop it..its just fiction after all.
I was going to let your ignorance go in the other one as you seemed to know so little about the subject as to not be worth discussing it with you. Hard to believe you have even read the books.
But you wanted to drag it out here as a victory.
thank yourself if you dont like looking like an idiot.
You should be getting pretty used to it from what I have seen on these boards. Your friend at least has read the books although the finer points of them seemed to have escaped him.
If you like I could quote JRR himself to make you look stupid... But whats the use. You dont read tolkien and your friend doesnt understand it when he does read it.
You must feel pretty inadaquate to make up stuff to seem smart.
Forgive me if I prefer the (fictional) facts.
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My Lightsaber is longer than yours.
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Pretty sad when even a LOTR thread turns into a flame-war!
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i'm kinda surprised more people aren't drawing parallels between lotr and richard wagner's 'ring cycle'. i keep seeing alberich in gollum and a lot of other similarities. not a lot of opera fans around i reckon. :)
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Just got back from it. I had never read any of the books, so it was all new to me starting with the first movie.
After 3 hours of just amazing special effects and another great story, there was a dead silence at the end as the credits rolled. I was really impressed and any more it would have been too long. It was alot to absorb, and really, really cool.
Then the guy behind me goes, "Man they left so much out..."
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