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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Ripsnort on December 19, 2002, 07:42:04 AM
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...asssuming this is the Early Tiger 1 model. Could we get these please?
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We have an early model Tiger it did not have that, it did often have the two 3 each smoke discharges on the sides of the turet and the single ones around the hull howeaver, and It did not have an AA MG on that couple.I beleave they could also fire S mines from these discharges.
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Tiger1 info:
Specifications
Weight:
56000kg (early)
57000kg (late)
Crew:
5 men
Engine:
Maybach HL 210 P 45 - 12 cylinder / 650hp (early)
Maybach HL 230 P 45 - 12 cylinder / 700hp (late)
Fuel Capacity:
534 liters (four tanks)
Speed:
Road 38km/h
Cross-Country 10-20km/h
Range:
Road: 140km
Lenght:
8.45m
Width:
3.4-3.7m
Height:
2.93m
Armament:
88mm KwK 36 L/56
2 x 7.92mm MG34 (early)
3 x 7.92mm MG34/42 (late)
6 x NbK 39 90mm smoke generators (early)
Ammo:
88mm - 92 rounds
7.92mm - 4500-5700 rounds
Armor (mm/angle):
Front Turret: 100/8
Front Upper Hull: 100/10
Front Lower Hull: 100/24
Side Turret: 80/0
Side Upper Hull: 80/0
Side Lower Hull: 80/8
Rear Turret: 80/0
Rear Hull: 80/8
Turret Top / Bottom: 25/81-90
Upper Hull Top / Bottom: 25/90
Lower Hull Top / Bottom: 25/90
Gun Mantlet: 100-110/0
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Originally posted by brady
We have an early model Tiger it did not have that, it did often have the two 3 each smoke discharges on the sides of the turet .
Think you're talking about the same thing, they were 90MM in diameter and 6 of them (3 on each side)
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Ya, I was thinking of this: Nahverleidigungswaffe , man say that 3 tiems fast!:)
Sry Rip.
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Man i wish the smoke generator on the pt boats worked :)
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Here's the pic:
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Yup.( to both of you:) )
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Originally posted by Wotan
Man i wish the smoke generator on the pt boats worked :)
You would *think* that'd be an easy fix...I mean, one can enable Airshow smoke in the TA or offline. Could this part of the code simply be modified for the PT boat? (Hitech?)
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Brady asked before because the smoke generator is modeled. I am not sure of the answer HT/Pyro gave.
Pts are silly easy kills. The defensive guns are good though. If by adding smoke the pts are givin a better chance at survival then I wish we had it. However I am not sure if say 20 pts spraying smoke would kills fps. I dont imagine it would be much worse then a raped field.
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Nebelwurfgerate (smoke candles) were dropped from production starting with Turm Nr 286 in June 1943, smallarms fire was setting them off. A track was welded to the tops of the cupola periscope guard to server as a track for the Anti-aircraft MG in July 43. The S-Minenwerfers on the deck were dropped from production line on Nov 43.
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I'm assuming we have the Tiger 1, VK 4501(H)
Tiger I heavy tank received the designation of panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger - Sd.Kfz.181. Officially there were only two types of Tiger tanks produced - Ausf H (with full tropical air filter 'Feifel' system - November 1942 to August 1943) and Ausf E(H1) but during the years of production improvements were carried on. Based on their modifications, Tigers can be divided into three main production models - early, mid and late (final)
So, wheres my smoke please? :)
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I have never seen a picture of an early cupola Tiger 1 with an AA mg and I have examined more Tiger pictures than prolly 99% of people here. I just have not seen it.
Now out of an interest in the Tiger I would love for anyone to show me an early cupola Tiger 1 with AA mg, otherwise... :D
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I don't think you'll see a AA MG on any of the old "dustbin" coupla TigersIs...however as I have learned during my work (I do research for an author) "never say never" because sure as hell theres a an ole German tanker out there with a picture of a Tiger I with a fully operatonal Me 109G mount on the turret as a co-ax weapon system.:)
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LOL I know that about German weapons and I have seen some strange things but no early Tiger 1 with AA mg.. :D
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Brady!
Here's your Christmas present: Cupola.
A couple are like the people that made you :)
palef
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Pz VIE (early) was not fitted with AAMG, nor was it an 'option'.
Pz VIE (early) had 2 x 3 smoke discharger, and carried 'S-mine' on exterior as a crude close defense system. 'S-mine' were deleted as Pz forces were more and more in the defensive and/or counterattack role (less chance of facing enemy infantry without their own escorting infantry).
The 92mm grenade projector was revolutionary. Rotated/elevated/aimed by commander from within vehicle. It could fire smoke or AP rounds (think along the lines of chucking a small claymore above the AFV, anywhere from directly overhead to within about 30 meters of AFV). Very devastating vs. close assaulting enemy infantry because grenade fragments coming down from above - being prone made attacking infantry more of a target and most cover is not overhead cover on the battlefield.
I interviewed a bunch of German, American, British, and Russian WW2 AFV crewmen for SSIs 'Panzer Commander'. When I get home I'll try and dig those interviews up - very fascinating stuff. Some surprising things:
Russian MBT 'aces' far preferred the T-34/85 to the IS-2 (far better ROF, far better mobility, much faster turret traverse, and a smoke discharger system).
American MBT crew losses were insane - more than one MBT battalion suffered 300%+ crew losses between June 1944 and December 1944 (that means if they had 510 men on the roster they had 1500+ KIA or WIA severe enough to not return to unit). The letters they wrote home, about how their MBTs were 'death traps' vs. opposing German MBTs were the exact opposite of what their famlies were being told ("Your boys have the best tanks in the world!", etc.). Pressure from inquisitive families (especially ones with letters from now KIA Sons and Fathers) actually helped get the M26 'Pershing' deployed before the end of WW2 (but still far too late for a few thousand brave U.S. armored crewmen).
British MBT crewmen had a morbid nickname for lend-lease Sherman MBTs: 'Tommy Cookers' (this due to early model Shermans having very poor ammunition storage, which lead to frequent 'cook-offs' of ready ammunition from penetrations that would otherwise not have 'catastrophically killed' the Sherman in question).
There's a Waffen-SS and a Wehrmacht Pz. commander living within 4 blocks of each other in central CA., USA. They lived that close to each other for over 30 years and never knew of their similar experience until they were interviewed by SSI.
Mike/wulfie
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Ripsnort:
M8 & Pz IVH also need smoke discharger systems (M8 actually had a smoke mortar).
Mike/wulfie
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The Compleat absence of Smoke shels and systems on all vehicals that were capable of carying it or firing it is disapointing I think.
I would also like to see the HEAT round modeled for the LVTA4.
I suspect the reasion that the Couple, was not redrawn to be the late type is that it was maybe to dificult for him to draw/ Fashion, it being very much more complicated, than the dust bin.